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It’s Time to be Honest: The Tea Party Has Become a Terrorist Group

nevada-ranch-wannabeWhile I’m sure many liberals who come across this headline will have some response like “Duh” or “Tell me something I didn’t already know, ” I think it’s time to put hyperbole aside and get real for a moment.

Sure, for a while many liberals have called tea party supporters domestic terrorists and have accused them of actively trying to sabotage our government.  And with valid reasons – they have been trying to blatantly sabotage our government ever since President Obama moved into the White House.

They’ve done everything possible to hold our country back economically, threatened to force our country to default on our debt for the first time in history, shut down the government and have wasted millions of taxpayer dollars blatantly trying to sabotage the Affordable Care Act.

But as time goes on, more of these tea party politicians are speaking out against civil rights (even suggesting the Civil Rights Act is unconstitutional), pushing for laws that allow for religious discrimination and the anti-government rhetoric continues to expand within the Republican party.

Take for instance the escalating standoff in Nevada where anti-government activists came armed, talked about a strategy to use women as human shields, and Cliven Bundy apparently brought in his whole family (including his 54 grandchildren) to his location in anticipation of possible government action against him for violating federal law.

Because nothing says “good family values” quite like putting your children and grandchildren in harms way while your supporters considered using women as human shields if federal officers decided to enforce federal laws.

And while the situation in Nevada is an extreme instance of anti-government lunacy being represented by these far-right Republicans, I’m seeing more and more people rally in support of such radical, and potentially deadly, actions.

While there’s always been those nut jobs tucked away in the most insane corners of our country who hoard guns and “prepare” for the overthrow of the government, these people are now pushing their way into the mainstream with politicians who are actually representing their delusional beliefs.

These people have a sole purpose of destroying all the progress we’ve made in this country.  Their main goal is to oppose anything and everything related to the federal government because they’ve been brainwashed into believing that the government is some evil boogeyman that’s out to get them.

These are the people who years ago were seen as the “tinfoil hat” people, yet with the emergence of the tea party, they’ve now been given a voice.  But add into the equation the fact that they basically hate anyone who isn’t a straight white Christian male.

Could you imagine if a group of Middle Eastern Muslims was armed on some ranch threatening federal officers?  Then imagine if one of these people admitted that they were planning to use women as a human shield.  Conservatives would be freaking out.  Instead, many of them are looking to Bundy as some kind of anti-government hero.

The reality is he’s nothing more than some lunatic who doesn’t want to pay the fees he’s accumulated by illegally allowing his cattle to graze on federal lands, and he’s doing everything he can to avoid paying these fines, going to jail or both.

But the longer these people are given a voice, the more they’ve moved from a political movement to a domestic terrorist organization.  In politics, they’re doing everything possible to sabotage our country for political gain while outside of politics they’re becoming even more brazenly radical than ever before.

And much like traditional terrorists, these domestic tea party terrorists have a main goal of demonizing and destroying the United States government.

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Allen Clifton is from the Dallas-Fort Worth area and has a degree in Political Science. He is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on both Twitter and Facebook. Have feedback, compliments, criticism or hate mail? You can email him as well.
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  • Thomas Maximillian Morris

    Although I agree Mr. Bundy is trying to get out of paying for monies he owes for whatever reason, I do believe it is time to start standing up to our government. Our government has become ruled by the super wealthy….to enforce their laws, not the common man’s laws. Our government is no longer represetative of the majority of people, only the very few. If revolution is what is necessary, I agree with it. Also, I do believe both sides of the aisle, depending what party is in control of the government, try to undermine the other side, not just the tea party, or the Republican party.

    • Grannysmovin

      During an interview with Fox News Bundy “I don’t have a response for Harry Reid, but I have a response for every county sheriff across the United States,” Bundy said on Monday. “Disarm the federal bureaucrats.” He is calling for a new civil war is he not? Or how about Tea Party Militia Leader Thomas Mack who said: “We were actually
      strategizing to put all the women up at the front. If they are going to start
      shooting, it’s going to be women that are going to be televised all across the world getting shot by these rogue federal officers.” They undermine themselves because Republican Talking Heads and Politicians support these people.

      • Judith_Priest

        Oh, good! So the Tea Party values women for SOMETHING … human shields for the Good Ol’ Boys.

      • Grannysmovin

        Apparently so does our Governor Sandoval and Representative Heck since they said nothing about Bundy breaking the law or the threat posed by the armed people Bundy had there.

      • http://bet.com/ JamalPigSheite

        dey awl be rasism

      • Judith_Priest

        Oh! I get it. You’re one of those White Guys pretending to be some incredibly dumb and ignorant Black Guy, so you can misspell “racism” and think you’re doing something really really clever?

        Really far off-topic, too. Props!

      • http://bet.com/ JamalPigSheite

        you mite be rasism to nome sayn

    • Guile Williams

      At this point in time the Democrats seem to be trying to pass new legislation that is good for the people. I’d like to think I am a good judge of character and am pretty good at reading people. Every time I see Bernie Sanders for example, his arguments and body language suggest he is genuine. I don’t sense political posturing from him. I did however sense some posturing from Obama towards the beginning of his term. Now he just seems more fed up. I do not believe an armed rebellion is the answer. We have the power to vote the bad Congressmen out this year. Let’s try that first.

    • Mark Potter

      is not putting out good laws*

    • Phil Keast

      I agree that there are serious problems in many governments, including those the the USA and Australia (where I hail from). And, to be honest, I believe it is the result of the fact that there is, (always has been, probably always will be) a significant proportion of humanity that is focused of the pursuit of wealth, power, and privilege (being both greedy and ambitious).

      I like to believe with cautious optimism that the number of decent people out there outnumbers them (although I suspect I’m wrong, unfortunately).

      Yet so long as we live in a democracy, however skewed towards a particular policy or party, as a democracy there remains the possibility that sanity will prevail and the morons will be voted out of office (Australia’s compulsory voting laws make that somewhat less difficult than the American voter registration system). So long as the possibility of political reform through non-violent means exists, then it should be pursued to it fullest extent. The moment citizens take up arms against their democratically elected government, regardless of the faults of that government, then the legitimacy of the government formed in the aftermath, regardless of who wins, will be suspect (check out all the instability after the “Arab Dawn”, or the problems currently playing out in Ukraine).

      Post armed rebellion it will not be the USA, it will be a whole new strange land that no-one can predict. Leave the guns in their cases or above the mantlepiece and push for electoral reform and vote the bastards out. The alternative, with its commensurate loss of life, is a radical action of last resort. I don’t believe that the USA is at that point yet, and I hope it never gets there, the sheer economic repercussions for the rest of the world could spark off a cascade of armed conflicts that engulfs us all.

  • puppycakes

    This is the new America and it’s very scary.

    • John1966

      Funny. You liberals are funny. What a moron.

  • pround papa

    You all like to claim the tea party is radical, but they simply want the government to be less involved in every aspect of our lives. Ultimately, the more the government controls everything, the more dependent everyone is on the government, the less people practice personal responsibility, the less productive, creative, and hard working we become as a society. Your kidding yourself if you don’t think this is happening. A small example: people who keep getting unemployment don’t feel an urgency to find a job. There are exceptions, but generally it’s the truth.

    • Whatthewhat

      Less involved in every aspect of our lives? Yeah, sure, unless you have a uterus.

    • Karen Hayes

      you are a Fox news watcher. You have swallowed everything they have said.

    • Grannysmovin

      They want the Government less involved yet, they pass laws suppressing the right to vote, dictate what a woman can or cannot do concerning her health issues and pregnancy, pass laws not allowing a minimum wage hike or vacation pay – that is not minimal involvement in people lives. You state “A small example: people who keep getting unemployment don’t feel an urgency to find a job. There are exceptions, but generally it’s the truth.” You have a very low opinion of your fellow Americans. People want to work, earn a living, support themselves have pride and prosperity. They want their children and spouses to be proud of how the live, what they do and their contribution to society. The people you refer to are the ‘exceptions’. The tea party is bought and paid for by the Koch Brothers who are only interested in the bottom line of their empire – not the middle class or blue collar workers. What about the Corporations, Oil Companies, Farmers and Politicians (tea party members included) who are dependent on the Government?

      • pround papa

        I have high regard for my fellow Americans, but unfortunately, there are many who don’t like to work. Us that do work end up paying for them. I just think everyone should pull their own weight.

      • Grannysmovin

        What about those who are single mothers for a number of reasons and have small children who can not find a job to pay enough to afford daycare? What about returning Veterans who can not find a job? What about disabled Vets who are unable to work? What about people who became too old in their employers view and have been thrown into the unemployed pool? What about people who can not find a job because the “job creators” are not creating jobs? Apparently you only consider people who are “just like you” your fellow Americans.

      • pround papa

        Anyone who cannot work is taken care of. I’m just asking for people that can work to work. Is that unreasonable?

      • Grannysmovin

        No it is not unreasonable as long as there a jobs available. I agree there are some who milk the system and have no interest in working, and that is where the focus of the departments should be getting them off the system and out working. However taking that brush and making wide strokes is wrong.

      • pround papa

        I agree. There are always casualties with the wide stokes. I guess I see the people that take advantage of the system more than the ones that really need a hand up.

      • Phil Keast

        Quite possibly because the media and political parties go out to hunt down the “welfare abusers”, because, in the cases of the media, it makes for good ratings. The disenfranchised who are on welfare and desperately want to get off but can’t don’t make for good TV, so despite vastly out numbering the “parasites” they remain invisible and dismissed by many as not even existing.

      • Barry

        no… go out and find them jobs… and then you can all go out and find other people jobs… and then all of you can get to a point where there are no more jobs… and then you all get to think the rest are scum.

      • frumpus

        you are a gullible fool who has been deluded into believing the lies of the koch brothers. I feel sorry for you. No doubt, you will probably be suffering a lot because of your support for pathetic bullshit values.

      • pround papa

        That’s your reply? You just start calling people names?

      • Barry

        lies are lies… people who believe lies are called gullible… no one is calling you any name you have not given yourself.

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        You are gullible. That is not calling you a name; that is an observation.

      • http://www.redheadedfemme.com/ BB-Mystic

        “there are many who don’t like to work.”

        That’s nonsense. There are still three job applicants for every job.

        You know what I see when I go to my local fast-food restaurants? Instead of the teenagers and college students that used to make up most of the staff, I see middle-aged people. People who were laid off during the recession, diligently looked for work, tapped into their savings and 401ks, had their unemployment benefits run out (thanks Republicans) and finally were forced to take these lower-paying positions (that maybe don’t even give them enough money to pay their mortgages, that is if they still have their houses) to survive.

        That is, if the fast-food places will even hire them. A lot of people over 40, especially if they’ve been out of work for longer than six months, can’t find a job of any kind. What are they supposed to do? Starve in the streets?

        “Us that do work end up paying for them”

        Oh waaah waaah waaah. Poor poor baby. You have to parcel out a few extra dollars to help your fellow citizen. It’s called “there but for the grace of God go I.” It’s also part and parcel of living in civilization.

      • pround papa

        I appreciate every person I see working at McDonald’s. What you don’t see at McDonald’s is the guy that was making $50k sitting at home collecting unemployment because he’s not willing to work for $30k.

      • http://www.redheadedfemme.com/ BB-Mystic

        Unless you’re a manager at McDonalds, you don’t even get $30K, so that part of your argument is bogus.

        Anyway, that’s still not the point. What part of “there are still three job applicants for every job” don’t you understand?

      • pround papa

        I’m sure you disagree, but I believe that if someone really wants to work, they can get a job. It might not be what they want, but they can get a job.

      • http://www.redheadedfemme.com/ BB-Mystic

        How are they going to get a job if 1) THE JOBS AREN’T THERE; and 2) THEY’RE SO OLD (over 40-50) THAT NO ONE WILL HIRE THEM?

        The Magic Job-Producing Fairy has retired, folks. S/he got to the age she couldn’t find a job, either.

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        The people in my church who are in their fifties lost their jobs and some were unemployed for 3 years or more. There were NO jobs to get.

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        Uh, show me those people. When there are three applicants for every job, where do you expect people to find work?

      • KMDAB

        50K on unemployment? What state do you live in, I need to get laid off and move there!

      • Embermage

        So what gives you the right to decide to take money from someone and give it to someone else?

      • http://www.redheadedfemme.com/ BB-Mystic

        Again, it’s called “civilization.” It’s the price we pay for living in the country and time we do.
        You, on the other hand, want to live in the Wild Wild West. No safety net, no help, and everybody dies young.

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        Who is taking money? You mean the rich folk who don’t pay taxes and whose corporations got bailed out by we the taxpayers?

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        Yeah, we all think they should pull their own weight. By the way, when was the last time we had ZERO unemployment?

      • xxsimmonsxx

        I believe that here in the USA there is a social floor that Human beings cannot be allowed to fall below. People do not starve to death here. People do not die of tooth decay here. people do not starve because of medical bills here. There is a floor. A point below which no human sinks. I am glad to pay. I dont care why people need help. We help them here. End of story.

      • Amy

        Apparently you don’t live in a city with a homeless population.

      • xxsimmonsxx

        im talking about an ideal that we should all aspire to. not an actual thing. as long as there are people trying to de-fund helping the poor i will continue telling them that I will agree to that.

      • Judith_Priest

        Glad you want to help, but people ARE dying from lack of care, and, yes, of septicemia from untreated tooth decay. A homeless woman with pneumonia died in her sleeping bag in the shrubbery near where I worked.

      • xxsimmonsxx

        yes i know. dont you think thats wrong? I’m telling this fool my standard for what this country should be. not for what it is.

      • Amy

        You pay FAR more in corporate welfare to subsidize salaries through food stamps, medicaid, and subsidized housing because mutli-billion dollar corporations like Walmart or fast food restaurants refuse to pay their workers a living wage or provide full time employment for fear of having to provide benefits than you ever will in unemployment benefits.

      • Embermage

        And the Democrat party is bought and paid for by Soros, Gates, and the Unions, what is the difference?

      • Grannysmovin

        What policies are they pushing that benefit Soros, Gates and the Unions? Let’s see how many of the laws passed by Republicans come straight from ALEX the organization funded by the Koch Brothers. Who would benefit from doing away with the EPA, the Koch Brothers, we the people would die from polluted air and water but what the hell. Raising the minimum wage the Koch Brothers, Wal-Mart, McDonalds your pizza boy are all against. More tax breaks for Corporations, doing away with OSHA – Koch brother benefit. More Oil Subsidies – Koch brother benefits.

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        You got nothing. People had better pay and security when there were unions.

      • Embermage

        Oh really? I come from a formerly pro union family. I watched my father and others in the family get screwed over by the Unions over and over and over again.

      • xxsimmonsxx

        you mean you watched as they got screwed over by Reagans Anti-Union laws? because thats what actually happened. the laws were changed so unions could no longer function properly. Your anger is misdirected. The reason unions were alowed to exist is simple. i have a right to protest my government. as stated by the supreme court, that right extends also to my EMPLOYER. I can protest my employer. that is what unions are all about. I thought you liked constitutional rights?

      • Judith_Priest

        Nice recap of the Far Right Wing Catechism.

        But I don’t see Soros’ fingers in every pie, whereas the Koch brothers are trying to buy ALL the media in this country, and to essentially END our right to vote.

      • Jb

        Requiring identification to vote is in no way shape or form suppressing anyones right to vote, especially when 99% or more of the people have identification. Killing a fetus out of convenience is not a health issue, it is murder. It is not the place of the government to regulate wages or benefits, the more hands off they are about it, the more the economy is free to offer such benefits and pay. We wouldn’t need to provide unemployment benefits for 2 years if the Democrat controlled government didn’t cause uncertainly at such a high level as they do now. The Koch Brother are just a scape goat for you stupid liberals. Conservative groups have so much money because there are more conservatives than liberals and they have a lot more money. Funny how the democrats are so for the middle class when their policies directly hurt the middle class for the benefit of the middle class. Your argument is full a flat out lies, assumptions, shifting of definitions, euphemisms and envy and pure hatred. And more than anything else, they are invalid.

      • Grannysmovin

        It is when people do not have the necessary ID and because if their age or circumstances can not get that ID. Doing away with Sunday Early voting, ending early voting, moving polling places so people have to travel further who most probably can not, or closing bathrooms, have poll watches from one party 3 feet behind someone – yes that is suppressing the vote. Having a LEGAL abortion can be a health issue for women who could die from the pregnancy. It is because of the 1920′s that we have a minimum wages and benefits and safety codes and child labor laws. We certainly can not leave it up to Corporations to set those rates and protections. Perhaps you like the 20′s but I for one love the 21st century. Well if your party has passed the 2011 American Jobs Act we would not have a need for extended unemployment benefits also if your “Job Creators” were creating jobs we would not need extended unemployment benefits. If there are more Conservatives than Liberals why do Liberals keep winning the popular vote? What policies are hurting the middle class? The only hate and disrespect is in your parties policies, agenda, words and actions. My argument is invalid because it is different than yours and because you say so? What lies id I say, what assumptions did I make, what definitions did I shift and where is my hatred?

      • Amy

        Most abortions occur within the first trimester of pregnancy. At that point, the clump of cells is a zygote, not a fetus. It is NOT murder. It is a clump of cells that cannot live outside the womb. Regardless of your opinion, you have no right to tell a woman what she can or can’t do with her body. It is her choice whether or not to carry the pregnancy.

    • pround papa

      I not a big Fox watcher, but obviously I’m a little more conservative than CNN. I think many people confuse the tea party with religious conservatives. Thus, the “uterus” comment. I think the tea party is much more concerned about fiscal responsibility than social issues.

      • frumpus

        The tea party exists only because they don’t want a black person for president. If you racist nutjobs actually cared about fiscal responsibility, you would have existed when George Bush was ruining the economy.

      • Bine646

        Tea party – Taxed Enough Already Party. Dont see the correlation here pal

      • yfzstarr

        Or for wasting billions on a bloated military and tax cuts.

      • Embermage

        Actually the Tea Party DID form in Bush’s second term, so get your facts straight.

      • xxsimmonsxx

        their first protest was January 24, 2009. 4 days after obama was inaugurated. just a little history for you. the only peopl who agree it was around under bush are fox news watchers..

        Fox News Channel commentator Juan Williams argues that the Tea Party movement emerged from the “ashes” of Ron Paul’s 2008 presidential primary campaign.[69] Jane Mayer has argued that the Koch brothers were essential in funding and strengthening the movement, through groups such as Americans for Prosperity.[70][71] In 2013, a study published in the journal Tobacco Control concluded that organizations within the movement were connected with non-profit organizations that the tobacco industry and other corporate interests worked with and provided funding for,[72][73] including groups Citizens for a Sound Economy (founded by the Koch brothers).[74][75] Al Gore cited the study and said that the connections between “market fundamentalists”, the tobacco industry and the Tea Party could be traced to a 1971 memo from tobacco lawyer Lewis F. Powell, Jr. who advocated more political power for corporations. Gore said that the
        Tea Party is an extension of this political strategy “to promote corporate profit at the expense of the public good.”[76]

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        The Tea Party and religious conservatives are indistinguishable.

    • Citizen Zero

      If people like you weren’t around, they’d be involved a lot less. Having to make sure people don’t discriminate against each other, steal from each other, kill or maim others is kind of intensive work. I find it funny when Tea Partiers try to pretend they are Live-and-Let-Live folk. You’re not.

      • pround papa

        I think for the most part the tea party are live and let live, but the government really needs to try to promote personal responsibility and not spend so much more money than they take in.

      • frumpus

        No they don’t, dumbass. Do you want to live in a society where only the rich get richer while everyone else suffers? Take your personal responsibility and shove it up your ass.

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        I can never figure out why people like papa have no problem with income being redistributed UP to the .01%.

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        No, the Tea Party wants to tell everyone else what to do and will kill if you don’t agree with them. They are not “live and let live.” That is more like a progressive.

      • xxsimmonsxx

        personal responsibility? ok. then the corporations and business’s that screw people over by not paying them a livable wage which in turn forces us to pay for their food stamps, housing and welfare. need to take “personal responsibility” for that fact. the government needs to take in more money. increasing revenue instead of starving people would be far better choice, dont you agree?

    • frumpus

      Only the dumbest person alive would buy into the tea party’s rhetoric.

      • Bine646

        Im sure the Brits and supporters were saying those same lines in the 1770s.

      • Barry

        exactly… almost word for word

    • ivan swan

      every aspect of our lives , with the exception of vaginas, gay rights, and civil liberties. Yea sure. Why is it that the tea party states consistently receive more federal funds than non democratic states if they hate the government involvement in their lives?

  • skelley

    Whether you like the voice of other Americans or not, to “take away their voice” is in itself an unAmerican act. It’s the freedom of speech. Interesting how one side thinks the other side needs to have their voice taken away, so that everyone will only hear one voice. I agree with Mr. Morris. Both sides are undermining the government and the American way of life. And both sides are pointing fingers at the other side and saying they are the bad guys. In the pledge of allegiance it says “one nation………indivisible……” Our current government system is doing a great job in creating division among the American people. You know, the old saying, “divide and conquer.” I think we should dissolve both parties and start a new party for the American people, of the people, and by the people. Send these politicians back home.

    • Robert

      If the government was persecuting them for have a dissenting/differing voice, the freedom of speech argument would be valid. This is not about freedom of speech. It’s about enabling lunatics who want nothing more than to destroy this country over some propaganda spread by their corporate masters.

      • Embermage

        really? It wasn’t until people were tased and had dogs set on them that people started showing up armed.

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        They were defying the cops. If they were black, you’d be cheering the cops for using tasers.

      • Embermage

        Nope, I would be still backing them. Nice try at race baiting, but I don’t care about your race or color. What is right is right, and what is wrong is wrong, and I will stand against what is wrong regardless.

    • frumpus

      You are an idiot who does not know what freedom of speech means.

      • Barry

        you get to say that… simple. When you gather up and take arms against the law of the land, this is no longer a FOS issue.

    • unraveled american

      I’m just wondering what ever happened to our democracy. You know…The one where the government works FOR its people. Not against its people…

      • Barry

        Democracy has not been for the people (as in the common person) forever… almost. We are still living in a quasi feudal state where serfs are expected to do the bidding of the lords (1%), pay taxes to them, and work our lifetime so we can have food and shelter and make more serfs. If you want the kind of government you speak of, you best get up and get on it.

  • Lone Rider

    You’re welcome. Always happy to defend this republic against progressive government aggression..

  • Charles Vincent

    Let us truly be Honest then, liberals, progressives, and democrats are terrorists as well.

    • suburbancuurmudgeon

      No, liberals, progressives and Democrats are more concerned about the general welfare than that of a few white folk.

      • Charles Vincent

        Yeah not buying that. People in government the bureaucracy and those career politicians don’t give a rats ass about anyone but themselves. And the little koolaid drinkers that toe the line are nothing more than brown shirts doing their masters bidding.

  • Ryan Parry

    bahahahahahahaahah holy shit propaganda! tea party against civil rights??? wow idk how thats even possible to twist that to be true, please do explain NDAA,HR347 your lovely liberal angels passed those civil rights and constitutional rights to hell with just those 2 pieces of legislation.

    • Barry

      NDAA – Bush’s wonderful bit… been law since just after WWII
      HR347 – was already in force for 40 years… all this law did was formalize SS protocol.

      See… you seem to be getting your facts from a cereal box.

  • John Oliver Mason

    If someone from a minority group or the political left did something like this, the government would send the Army, Navy, and Marines to smash them. But they’re WAAAAAY to the right, so they’re tolerated as screwballs, and get the kid gloves. Hmmm…

    • Embermage

      Seems the far left occupy movement did not get crushed by any armed force that I saw.

      • David Shaw Jr

        They had the police do it for them.

  • xbj

    They will be dealt with.

  • Bine646

    Nice post Allen, right around the anniversary of the Boston Bombings you call teaparty activists holding signs “domestic terrorists”. They are on the same level as the Tsarnaev brothers?

    • DoctorButler

      “Holding signs”

      I think you mean “holding guns, and threatening officers, after committing a variety of crimes?”

      • Bine646

        Hahaha whattttt?

      • DoctorButler

        Did you somehow miss the guys at the Bundy Protests with assault rifles, rambling about how they need to fight against “tyranny”?

        Apparently enforcing fines for using land you don’t own is considered tyranny.

      • Bine646

        300 individuals protesting (and winning) a land dispute which has been going since 1993- you are going to equate that as a teaparty movement? Bahahahahahaha, its a land dispute between farmers and the goverment- pleaseeeeeeee

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        Tea Party hates government. So yes, it’s a tea party movement.

      • Bine646

        So anyone who hates the govt is automatically part of the tea party

      • DoctorButler

        To paraphrase Clive Bundy “I obey all the Nevada state laws. But I don’t even acknowledge the US government”

        Even if it’s not a formal tea-party movement, it’s treated as such by the media, and it’s treated as a victory by Tea-Party advocates; it represents their ideals almost perfectly, so I don’t see how it’s not appropriate to equate the two.

      • Bine646

        Taxed enough already party. Not exactly the same as land disputes but ok.

        Look how america was founded and the uprisings- we celebrate July 4th which is a day celebrating rich white aristocrats who didnt want to pay taxes so they revolted- remember that

      • Ivan Swan

        You mean the completely manufactured astro turf party that was funded by oil tycoons to convince the dumbest people in the country to vote against their own interests for the sake of protecting tax loopholes for the uber wealthy? That “taxed enough already” party? Yea bine you are just a dipshit troll, you know damn well the “tea party” backs and supports this bundy cunt on an idealistic level, many within the tea party ranks have been screaming it all week, so play the babe in the woods, you trolling douche.

      • Bine646

        Obama had the most ignorant voters turn out to get him elected

      • Judith_Priest

        Nope, sweetie. The most-ignorant voters I have ever met are White Wing and Right Wing.

        I *KNOW* you need people to feel superior to, little guy, but … if you want that, you’re just going to have to get *smarter* ….

      • Bine646

        you guys are all about statistics- look at the stats associated with the voters who turned out in 2008 n 2012. Dont be upset, its just the truth- youll be able to accept the truth eventually

      • DoctorButler

        The Tea Party isn’t only about reducing taxes. It’s about disregarding the federal government in favor of state laws, which is the primary motivation behind the protesters in favor of Bundy.

      • Bine646

        How was our country founded? Do you celebrate 4th of july?

      • DoctorButler

        The US was founded when we broke away from Imperial Britain due to taxation without REPRESENTATION.

        These people have representation. They vote for Mayor and Governor and Senate and Congress and the President. They have representation, and if they have a problem with Obamacare, touh titties, He won, that’s Democracy.

        And it’s rather ironic, the Tea Partiers complain about Obama and his tax-spending, despite the fact that the corporate subsidies, trickle-down tax-cuts and military spending that their preferred Conservative candidates would have either mantained, or increased cost far more Obamacare and SNAP do.

        In short, the Tea Party doesn’t really know what they’re talking about.

      • Bine646

        Yes they are clueless thats why you seem to care so much.

        So you celebrate 4th of July? Interesting, surprising how you pick n choose- what does freedom mean to you? Apparently the tea party believes they have the right to express their beliefs freely but you dont agree

      • DoctorButler

        This is barely coherent, but I’ll try.

        1. Yes? I figured that was a rhetorical question, but yeah, I celebrate Fourth of July.

        2.(?) ” Interesting, surprising how you pick n choose- what does freedom mean to you? ”

        “Apparently the tea party believes they have the right to express their beliefs freely but you dont agree”

        Honestly, I think freedom doesn’t mean anything to you, it’s just a buzzword you like to throw around.

        Freedom is the ability to do what you want without persecution, but your freedoms are limited when it comes to infringing on others. And Bundy infringed on the government by using their property without authorization. He was fined, and he dodged those fines for two decades.

        So are you arguing about the freedom to use other people’s things without permission? And then scare them away with force when they try to repossess what’s rightfully theirs?

      • Bine646

        Same govt which murdered native americans for those lands?

      • DoctorButler

        The people in that government died centuries ago.

        That was the stupidest strawman comeback I’ve ever seen.

      • Bine646

        Centuries? We r 240yrs old as a country?

      • Bine646

        Hope you got guns to stand up to these activists- they seem to be exercising their 2nd amendment rights as well hahaha gooodluck

      • john

        If Cliven Bundy does not even recognize the US government as existing,
        tell him to get the hell out from in front of my flag! Many TRUE
        American patriots died for this country and the constitution, and many
        of us fought proudly for it in wars far from home!

      • Embermage

        They did not have assault rifles, however the Federals did. Learn the difference between a semi auto rifle and a fully auto or burst capable weapon.

    • Barry

      I think they are much worse. I believe they are filled with the same kind of hate we fought against back in the 50′s and 60′s. They shoot people they dislike, so while you are looking at the signs, watch your back.

      • Bine646

        Hate in the 50s and 60s? When the democratic party started the KKK? That type of hate?

        And lets see articles on these tea party led murders- ill wait.

      • Barry

        shoot yeah… back when those commie demo bastards tried to arrest us law abiding cross flamers… but we showed em… we shot em dead.

      • Embermage

        KKK was started by Democrats yes, but after the Civil War, not 1950s or ’60s.

      • David Macer

        You do realize the Dems during that time were considered conservatives not liberals. Perhaps the use of con and lib would be better.

      • http://www.redheadedfemme.com/ BB-Mystic

        ‘Scuse me? The KKK was around long before the 50′s.

      • Bine646

        3rd generation of the klan was born in the 50s to fight the civil rights movement

      • Lawrence Basford

        When an organization has three distinct reincarnations, to return to the original organization of , say the Klan at post Civil War US and say that the Klan as we know it today was founded by Democrats is disingenuous.

      • Bine646

        Klan that emerged in the 50s to fight the civil rights movement was democratic based- they were sooo racist those democrats.

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        They were also known as “Dixiecrats.” They were nothing like the rest of the Democratic party and they didn’t like Republicans because, at the time, Republicans were the party of big business and “Northeastern elites.” The Dixiecrats defected to the Republicans when Nixon employed his Southern strategy.

  • Barry

    I don’t buy it! These people are largely good ole boys who are still trying to insert that white is right. How many of the armed mob at the ranch were Blacks or Hispanics? How many were Asians? Not so many as maybe none? This is a movement for white men who are sick and tired of having to live what they see is a phony life, run by Jews, Blacks and now Hispanics. They are not interested in the USA as it currently stands. God is behind them and by Jesus it is high time they kicked some commie ass.

    So this revolution is nothing more than the KKK without the sheets… or maybe they are using their women and children to hide behind.

    • Bine646

      The KKK was created by southern democrats

      • Student of History

        And now it’s run by Republicans

      • Bine646

        Yup, racism is bound to only the republican party…..

      • Christopher Brown

        As of now, yes, it is.

      • Bine646

        Hahaha thats a pretty ignorant statement. Racism is in every community in every state, its not bound to a political group

      • Barry

        If you have one black horse and 1000 white horses, and I have one white horse and 1000 black horses, would you point at me and tell me my herd is just like yours?

      • Bine646

        Goooo that way Barry

      • Barry

        get off that shite man… back then the dems were called republicans and the republicans were called dems… don’t matter what name you give that old horse, they are all in line with the old shit kicking, black, commie, jew hating south!

      • Embermage

        Funny that some of your CURRENT leadership in the democrat party are former KKK members.

      • Lawrence Basford

        Really? Name them.

      • Barry

        names please? Not rumors or second hand lies you choose to believe… names… who?

      • Gregory Allard

        Problem….

        Back then dems were dems and today dems are dems.

        What you forget is that the KKK demicrat who tried to fillibuster the civil rights act.

        Was still a demicrat till he died in 2010 and still in office.

        get your facts correct and get shit straight.

      • Barry

        You talking about Byrd? He was in the KKK in the ’40′s and he filibustered the CRA as well… of course long before he was elected he denounced anything to do with KKK, and became a huge supporter of Civil Rights in the 70′s and onward.

        If I post a Wikipedia article about the history of the Republican Party showing how the two parties crossed paths and totally changed their philosophies would you read it? See… Dems back then thought like Republicans do today… and Republicans back then thought just like Dems today. So yeah the names are the same, but the parties are TOTALLY the opposite of what they were into reconstruction. So when the KKK was founded it was by those old Dems who became your Republicans today.

        Look it up!

      • Amy

        Exactly. In Lincoln’s day, Republicans were progressive and Democrats were conservative. Somewhere in the first half of the 20th century, the parties switched sides. Lincoln was a progressive, not a conservative.

      • John1966

        You liberals steal all our heroes, and throw us your rejects. Must be nice to live in a bubble of fantasy.

      • Judith_Priest

        What a stupid remark.

      • xxsimmonsxx

        you would know. read a history book. shit just look up the words “the southern strategy” come out of the bubble my friend and take a real look around.

      • Judith_Priest

        The parties switched sides in the North; The Southern Democrats stayed Conservative and racist, to some degree, although they tended to vote for Republicans on the national level. That’s the work of Atwater’s Southern Strategy.

        Let’s look at the overall vote for the CRA of 1964 first:

        By party:

        OG House Version:
        Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
        Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)

        The Senate version, voted on by the House:
        Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
        Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)

        According to this, at first, it looks like the Republicans were MORE interested in guaranteeing Civil Rights.
        But it’s actually a case of the LARGE number of Dixiecrats (Southern Democrats, the people who WERE on the side of the KKK) “lowering the curve”.
        This becomes obvious if you look at the breakdown by region.

        Let’s look at the breakdown by REGION:

        The original House version:
        Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
        Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)

        Notice how APPALLINGLY FEW of EITHER PARTY in the South supported this. Yes, a crazy liberal 7% of the Dixiecrats supported it. But compare them with the Republicans, of whom *0 percent* supported it. Still going to claim that Southern Republicans were mad Abolitionists, still, in the 1960s?

        Now let’s look at the North:

        Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
        Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)

        When we look, by REGION, Northern Dems were HEAVILY in favor of it. Still want to argue that Dems were the REAL racists??? Hmmm???

        And now for the Senate Version, also by regional breakdown:

        Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
        Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)

        Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
        Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)

        These facts don’t bear out your fantasy, do they?

        Educate YOURSELF. Stop letting RW Media miseducate you.

      • Benjamín Joel Fleet

        Republican or Democrat, they’ve always been conservatives.

    • Embermage

      Got some bad news for you, there are hispanics, blacks, and asians there right along with the good ole boys as you call them. I happen to know quite a few of them that were there over the weekend. SURPRISE! There are conservatives among minorities that actuaolly care about FREEDOM rather than letting the goverment have yet more power.

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        No, they are interested in anarchy and breaking the law. That is not FREEDOM.

      • Mary

        In what universe? The American people are SO politically illiterate it’s astonishing. The Founding Fathers were the first “terrorists” on this land. Are you unaware of that or did you simply forget. If you think either the Republicans or Democrats give a rats butt about your freedom you are mistaken. They’ve been chewing on the Constitution for decades while the American people squabble over which Party is best. People need to stop listening to what our leaders say and examine what they do. This country is dying, one deliberate step at a time, and the ignorant populace clamors for more.

      • TheTrumanShow

        Mary…perfectly said. Glad to know there are more of us out there.

      • xxsimmonsxx

        so you’re going to go ahead and vote republican then right? yeah don’t lie. pretty petty words don’t fool most people. this country is not dying. move to syria and then talk to me about a dying country. i think you completely misunderstood the comment you replied to. calling the revolutionary war a “terrorist” action is quite a stretch. the Declaration of Independence” is a terrorist document now? Stop twisting history to make yourself feel better.

      • Ryan Parry

        no ill vote libertarian because leave me the fuck alone and i will do the same for you. syria??? really? the democratic administration is the CAUSE of unrest in syria, you clearly have no fucking clue what youre talking about hahahaha smh

      • Humma Kavula

        No, you’ll vote Libertarian because you would rather our nation be owned and operated by the corporation. Let me know how you like having to pay a toll to run to Walmart in the future.

      • Charles Vincent

        Actually libertarians have a remedy for out of control corporations and if you pulled the wool from your eyes you might just see it.

      • Paul Smith

        Please, Charles, inform us!

      • Charles Vincent

        “Corporations are legal fictions created by the state to shield the wealthy from civil and criminal liability. Abolishing government means abolishing corporations.”
        And if the last part it unpalatable then structure. Laws that leave the wealthy corporation owners/board of directors are directly liable for civil/criminal transgressions. Yes I know no government is a big pill to swallow.

      • ff

        It’s just not gonna happen man. It’s all a big dream. What exactly would you say government is actually for? What is it’s job?

      • Andy Morris

        what is that remedy?

      • Charles Vincent

        “Corporations are legal fictions created by the state to shield the wealthy from civil and criminal liability. Abolishing government means abolishing corporations.”
        And if the last part it unpalatable then structure. Laws that leave the wealthy corporation owners/board of directors are directly liable for civil/criminal transgressions.

      • Jack Bandit

        Oh, for the love of…

      • Charles Vincent

        For the love of what, its exactly true go study business law the people running the company are protected from civil and criminal liability. And the CU decision makes corporations people so when you sue a company you sue a legal fiction not the people who own/run the company.

      • ff

        And you actually think this will ever happen? Really? What will really happen is the rich will buy our government and then own us, because that’s what actually IS happening. And the idea that is we get rid of government then we get rid of corporations is a joke. The rich will own us all, with or without a government.

      • Austin

        The logic in your comment it just soo outstanding.. Libertarian. The party that supports personal freedom. Meaning you can do as you wish as long as your actions do not affect others. Meaning in new york i can drink as much soda as i fucking want. means i can go in my back yard and shoot at cans and rocks and dont have to listen to some annoying ass liberal like you, bitch and moan about it. fuck even means i can walk around with a gun on my back or on my hip and dont have to worry about the cops every 5 seconds because a bunch of know-it-all liberals think im such a threat. for people who assume to know everything, youd understand that a group of people walking around with a gun on their backs are no threat to anyone unless some tried to hurt them or even YOUR annoying, whinny, submissive, self.

      • ff

        Means ‘your ass can be owned by the rich’ is the part you and your ignorant type don’t f’ing get…

      • Jack Bandit

        oh, for fucks sake. Did you bother to think that through or was it just the first group of words that came to mind that formed a sentence?

      • ff

        Lets try this Jack. Explain to me how in the Libertarian version of America the rich don’t even up owning us all.

      • Jack Bandit

        Don’t bother. They’ve apparently already made up their minds about it, facts be damned.

      • Jack Bandit

        And if everyone would direct their attention over here, you’ll see number 7 on the list of most commonly used pseudo-intellectual lefty talking points.

      • ff

        So you got nothing I guess? And Im not even a lefty.

      • aclay777

        Hey, xsimmonsxx, are you nuts, Syria is one of the three last sovereign financial countries, no debt, and was friends with America until they said no thanks to Obama’s representation to them of the world banks, then he financed the terrorist Rebels who are murdering Christians. Did you even watch the findings by our own MIT (Massachusetts Institute of Technology) their absolute findings were that the gas rocket came from the rebels own occupied territory, not to mentioned the release of the video of the Rebels loading the blue tipped rocket in great detail, an Obama lie, all of it)) Obama knew this and wanted to attack more innocent Syrian citizens, and you have no idea why these countries hate us? Everyone of these now pundits against Syria were dinner guests of Assad’s before the diplomacy failed, and the force began, to take over an economy of NO DEBT. Assad kept and protected the Christians right to free religion until he was unable to when the United States conspired against them and funded the terrorists. Those are the reported and undisputed facts, even England was against this invasion of Syria. Syria is worse because of what the “few” American communist dictators want for their country,

      • Paul Smith

        They were both revolutionary acts and the Crown would have had the lot of them hung for treason if he could (many did). Your lack of historical knowledge is astounding and depressing.

      • Libtardharvestor

        Well, I guess they fooled you pretty well. I assure you that she will NOT vote Republican. She will most likely vote Conservative. You see, you liberals continue to support a system of governance that has never worked anywhere, any time, under whatever name it has slithered in. It has always failed and taken the lives, prosperity, and personhood of everyone cursed to live under it. And during its ravaging time scores of unnecessary deaths always occurred. History is rife with the accounts. Before you rely on your old “show me an account” (you require top secret level proof of any non liberal statement but pass your own foolishness off with a simple “everyone knows” when, in fact, no educated person with access to a book knows any of your misbegotten lunacy) I’ll show you several. The following people were determined hard core supporters of the system your pretend president is trying to inflict upon America. Adolph Hitler, Mussolini, Gen. Franco, Karl Marx, Lenin, Stalin, every Chinese and North Korean political boss ever born since the last Chinese dynasty, Ho Chi Min, Idi Amin, Castro, and many more. They keep falling under the weight of their own ignorance. This make believe world you liberals play in has NOT been constructed from the experience of successes past because there are none. Nor has it been created from the accumulated wisdom of Marxist scholars ( an oxymoron if ever there was one) because the logical line of progression is, if there were such a thing as Scholars of Marxist/ Leninist? Alinskyist thought, where were they during the reign of every single “workers utopia” ever tried (and now gone the way of all trash)? Liberals will never have a clue to what is workable or not because they listen to instructions and do no real research because they are lazy and incapable of honest critical thought. I’m kinda” knowledgeable about that because I WAS a liberal for 30 or so years. But then it’s just easier to pawn off responsibility to Gov’t. Responsibility is HARD! It’s fine to roll along with the liberal talking points each day. They make you SOUND smart until you come up against someone who really studies this stuff. But then those video games are so darn “educational”

      • Charles Vincent

        She isn’t twisting history I suggest you read up on the things the government did to the indigenous peoples on this continent. Secondly they weren’t labeled terrorists because they won, but that doesn’t mean the British crown didn’t call them terrorists when it was happening.

      • Logan

        It was the law in the Germany in the 30′s that Jews had to register. Just because it is law doesn’t make it legal. It’s called civil disobedience, kinda like sit-ins in the 60′s.

      • matt

        Actually making it law does mean it is legal. Since the definition of legal is pertaining to or authorized by the law. I think you mean moral. Unfortunately morality has never had a place in American politics.

      • Michael Schultheiss

        You’re right. Breaking the law is never freedom. Those two things are always mutually exclusive, which is why we still have slavery in the United Dominions of British North America.

      • Paul Smith

        Slavery is legal in the United States of America. Chew on that a while.

      • aclay777

        Who was breaking the law? it was the BLM, it was they that, without a court order, had no right to destroy his property and no right to a planned and killing of his live stock, they conspired to do all these things (the Fed’s) without the law and a court order. they were the law breakers in no uncertain terms.

      • zonmoy

        how many courts had ruled against this crooked rancher for using anothers property without paying for it. at what point is an eviction right.

      • Paul Smith

        At what point does the federal government butt the hell out of our lives and let us live in peace?

      • zonmoy

        you would rather be a slave to this rich crook your supporting.

      • Paul Smith

        A slave to Bundy? Bundy is a patriot, a martyr standing against tyranny. No man should lose his life’s work because an arm of the govenment decides to move tortoises to the property on which he grazes his cattle and then forbids him to graze his cattle there. That is the definition of tyranny.

      • zonmoy

        he is nothing more than a thief that wants to use other peoples lands without paying for it, he never owned the property that he grazed his cattle on, now he refuses to pay rent to the rightful owner, next he will do the same to private landowners near him and then force people to work for him while cheating them of their pay.

      • Paul Smith

        You know about half the story and that makes you dangerous. There were over 50 ranchers in that area; Bundy is the only one left. Why did they leave?

      • aclay777

        You see, he had paid the state for years for the grazing fees, a fact, and it then those taxes created the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) (the taxes) it out grew it’s purpose and took over, it was only a few courts, there was never a ruling he owed a million bucks that was more made up lies “implied” Lets say this, you get a foreclosure, the Master in Equity isn’t going to allow the government to come in and shoot you if you didn’t leave your cloths and other possessions, no judge would do that, what they done was far more illegal than what Bundy done, he simply had paid the state and the Fed took over, and they (the government) were stupid enough to act this illegally. Now, it sounds like you’re in favor of shooting people when you pull them over for speeding, then this is the government for you Mr. Zonmoy, join up. take notice, when you get shot doing illegal stuff like this, nobody but you family will care. The courts could only lien on his property and they didn’t want him on his family 100 year owned land, they trespassed, not him, but they wanted his land so they concocted this scheme to intimidate him off of it for Harry Reid’s sons deal with the Chinese to put solar panels on, before, and never had, acquired Bundy’s property, So if you agree with the corrupt few’s abuse of the law to give your land to the Chinese before it’s purchased from you, then this is the government for you Mr. Zonmoy

      • aclay777

        Are you making this stuff up, have you read any of this? There was one court three hearings and appeals not completely resolved, but it doesn’t evict Bundy, as you mention, he owns his land and it’s never been purchased from him. They waited on government land to destroy his cattle and tazed him on public property. Criminal assault. The Bureau of Land management doesn’t have any legal authority to use any force or firearms against American citizens, the subject of the controversy before congress. Title 43 USCA 1733(c) makes their action illegal “they must” use local authorities,(The sheriff) The federal law was written for this purpose in mind. Bundy’s dispute was civil, and on going, he had lost, for time being, three hearings. Now the Crooked Federal Government without a doubt is crooked, and has really screwed up, it’s likely they’ll be paying him 13 fold for what his property is worth. I see you use the word “crooked rancher” Why? He has a legal right to redress his grievances in court like everyone else, BLM couldn’t wait so they stole his cattle and illegally paid freelance cowboys to do so. They had no legal right to steal, there was isn’t a court order for such, it was hashed out internally within a closed doors of BLM, even “invented” something so stupid, ” a first Amendment area” you can exercise your first Amendment anywhere, they roped off an area far from the shenanigans, 2 miles away, and this was well thought out, but illegal on many levels, they had slated Bundy’s property for the Chinese and hadn’t yet acquired his land. So, they broke federal law trying to intimidate with injury and death off his cattle on his legally owned land. That’s egregious.

      • prsmith

        Bundy’s only hope is the backing of the people and a caring, free press. There is no chance he’ll win in court against this corrupt government. Why should we respect anything that comes fro a federal court?

      • aclay777

        prsmith, well until yesterday maybe, but they found where the government, the BLM has been systematically killing his cattle (livelihood) and burying them, see “quote” from the local news media . . . . . . . ” We always suspected that the Fed govt was
        killing cattle and burying them…which is why they tasted and beat the
        people who tried to stop their convoy to investigate. Now, the truth is
        coming out. This pic of a grave from Assembly woman Michelle Fiore.
        BLM’s Daniel love and his people will be going to jail” they unearthed the cattle the BLM had been killing previous to that, massive grave of free range (expensive) cattle destoyed to benefit the Chinese for $$ for the corrupts, title 43 USCA 1733(c) made their actions completely illegal.

      • Paul Smith

        NEVER without court order.

      • Jack Bandit

        Oh, please. Saying it, doesn’t make it so. Conservative minorities are inconvenient to your argument that all conservatives are racists. So, of course it’s either not true OR they’re undesirable in some way or another. (Apparently their anarchists in your case).
        Take a step back a moment and really analyze that statement. Is anarchy the conservative M.O.? Has it ever been position they championed? No, on both counts. You may as well have called them communists.

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        No, I’m saying there are few or no conservative minorities.

        Yes, anarchy-a state or society without government or law-IS the conservative MO at least as it pertains to them. They want laws for people they don’t like, but do not want to be so encumbered themselves.

      • xxsimmonsxx

        ” letting the goverment have yet more power.” just what in the hell are you talking about? what more power is anyone giving the government? the article is about a man that let his herd graze on land paid for by taxpayers. the federal officers involved are simply trying to enforce the current laws. you tea party morons seem to want to give more people the right to break the law while aslo weilding firearms to use against law enforcement personnel. you think that gives you freedom? what freedom are you fighting for moron?

      • Embermage

        I am not Tea Party, I am a Constitutionalist. You also notice I did not have to resort to name calling in my reply. Considering that I have actually been in combat to protect our freedoms, I think I have a bit more investment in those freedoms.

      • xxsimmonsxx

        thats nice. as a “constitutionalist” as you call yourself. what are the function of amendments? i suspect you wont answer this question any more than you answered any of my others. and if it quacks like a duck. walks like a duck. its a duck. enjoy moron.

      • Embermage

        Not all all dodging your question, just dodging my 4 year old lol. Amendments are the end result of a process to change, add to, or delete features of the Constitution. There are two listed means by which an amendment can be ratified, both are listed under Article V.

      • Robyn Ryan

        Duck calls are used to make the duck quack back. So you can locate them.

      • xxsimmonsxx

        looks like I found a duck then.

      • Robyn Ryan

        Fire at will. roast duck for dinner!

      • Embermage

        I know exactly what an amendment is for. One of the reasons I support the Article 5 movement to curtail some of this nonsense.

      • xxsimmonsxx

        and just what is that supposed to mean? article five describes the process whereby the constitution can be changed. is not a movement. its an article of the constitution.
        just what is it that you want changed??

      • Embermage

        1. Balanced Budget amendment
        2. Term limits for ALL public elected officials
        3. Term limits for ALL Federal Judges
        4. Biannual review of every Federal Agency, no exemptions, the budget for that agency subject to the same restrictions as the military. Congress decides to not fund the Agency, the Agency is disbanded.

        (there are two processes for Amendment, not just one)

      • xxsimmonsxx

        none of those things increase “freedom” for anyone. I find it funny that you want an “agency” to review other agencies. you want the government to review itself? what exactly do you think the outcome of those reviews would be? the two processes for amendments are listed under article 5. We actually had a budget that had a surplus at one point in time. Under Clinton. then bush took over. dropped two wars on the “emergency” spending budget so it didnt have to counted as part of our national debt totals -or- accounted for on the actual budget and well you see where we are. in case you hadnt figured it out. we DONT need a balanced budget. if you are serious about paying the debt. we need a SURPLUS. which does not occur under a balance. i think you have fallen for the nonsense rhetoric from certain parts of the political sphere. decreasing spending is is not the only way to get a surplus. you can also increase revenue. not taking the tax code into account will not get you to your goal. all the things you lsited are mostly a distraction. you look at them instead of just fixing whats already there.

      • William Lou Jenkins

        so increase taxes? 50% of which is now going to fund so called “entitlements” ( welfare, food stamps, employment for undocumented workers, etc. ) they tried this form of government way back in the days of early colonial america in Johnstown I believe it was, guess what people started starving to death because not enough people were producing to contribute to the coffers of the colony, but yet everyone was getting their “fair share” the only thing ANY PERSON IS “ENTITLED” TO IS WHAT THEY THEMSELVES PRODUCE FOR THEMSELVES THEY ARE NOT ENTITLED TO A PORTION OF WHAT THEY DID NOT EARN, SO KEEP YOUR GRUBBY MITTS OFF MY PIE !

      • Phil Keast

        Why, certainly sir, now if you’d be so kind as to return those parts of the pie that you didn’t produce for yourself, such as the resources, water rights, soil and land rights, tax concessions, and so on and so forth that constitute the ingredients of your pie, I’ll gladly leave you in peace. What’s that, you’ve got no pie left? Well, you did insist people are entitled ONLY to that which they produce themselves.

        [There you go mister troll, you've got your gold piece, go setup camp under another bridge where you can extort from some other unwary customer.]

      • William Lou Jenkins

        wow your a real fucktard aren’t you,
        THE LORD GOD CREATED THE EARTH AND ALL THAT IS IN OR ON THE EARTH ! HE LEFT TO ALL HIS CHILDREN AS THEIR INHERITENCE! NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO CLAIM ALL OF THE LAND AND ITS BOUNTY TO THE EXCLUSION OF ANYONE ELSE. OR DO YOU THINK THE GOVERNMENT CREATED THE EARTH AND THEREFORE HAS A RIGHT TO EXTORT THEIR CURRENCY FROM ME TO PAY THEM WHAT THE LORD HATH PROVIDED FOR ME ????

      • William Lou Jenkins

        the “men an women” who constitute the government can not “physically” possess all the land therefore there is plenty to go around then isn’t there ?

      • Barry

        please read your constitution

      • prsmith

        What does reading the Constitution have to do with William’s comment? When the Constitution was written, the States owned ALL the land and were gracious enough to give a patch to the central government for their use. The fed was also allowed to purchase “for the erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards and other needful Buildings”. I see nothing about range lands, national parks or any other use in the Constitution. Maybe I’m missing something?

      • Barry

        uh… when the constitution was written this land in question belonged to France and Spain, Russia and then Mexico.

      • prsmith

        uh…what has that to do with the Constitution?

      • Barry

        ‘When the Constitution was written, the States owned ALL the land and
        were gracious enough to give a patch to the central government for their
        use.’

        I hope you are able to carry a conversation with some sense of relevance.

      • prsmith

        I believe I can. So far you haven’t made much sense however?

      • Barry

        Do you understand that your statement I quoted above is totally inaccurate or not?

      • prsmith

        I stand by my statement; If you’ve got something to say, spit it out.

      • Barry

        Well… you are so obviously unable to grasp any truths relating to this issue… except for those you have heard. I am not interested in discussing this with you any further.

      • prsmith

        You haven’t presented any truths. Wish I could thank you for playing but that’s obviously a waste of time.

      • http://www.redheadedfemme.com/ BB-Mystic

        Wow. You are a bonafide whackaloon.

        I surely hope Breitbart or somebody is paying you for all the nonsense you’re spewing. You’re going to need it for your next round of medication.

      • Doug Adams

        I can sense your surprise with “Mr. Jenkins” comment and your reply is perfect. To deny absolute logic of any kind within this context, and to use theological rationalization to substantiate, apparently a deluded mind. Very good, Peace.

      • John Lockwood

        And Santa is coming on Christmas Eve!

      • xxsimmonsxx

        did the lord provide you currency? no? the lord did not. your job did. the currency they provided is not really owned by them. its owned by the government that requested it be printed. how can they “extort” currency that actually belongs to them in the first place? please take whatever medications you need to calm yourself and stop living in fear of the government. the government exists to help us, as weak and flawed humans, to better take care of all the things we must take care of to have a successful society.

      • Ray Chandler

        That’s one of the biggest loads of bovine excrement I’ve ever seen. Not fear of the government, but utter contempt for it. Your “caring” nanny government is composed of and run by those same seriously flawed humans, who have evolved one of the most corrupt and corrosive statist constructions ever seen. A thorough corruption of this country’s founding principles.

      • xxsimmonsxx

        I see your bovine excrement and raise you, your comment is nothing more than equine excrement! statist huh? whats next? going to talk to me about god and the “good” news? those are normally the only people who ever say “statist”. “Statism is effectively the opposite of anarchism” you dont want laws and protections under the law do you? the right to keep and bear arms, statist law. right to freedom of speech, statist law. since those things are actively protected by even the supreme court, who just recently claimed that millionaires can give any amount of money they want to politicians, because money=free speech. you know the judges that did that all vote republican right? the ones that opposed that decision? they are the liberal democrat voting judges. so if you dont like their “statist” “corrupt” “corrosive” decision. just remember that at voting time.

      • Ray Chandler

        You’ve totally lost any grip on reality.

      • Barry

        Constitution disagrees with you William.

      • John Lockwood

        I think Jesus said just those very words. Nice!!

      • highwaterjane60

        First, do your damn homework: Military spending is where the majority of your taxes go. Fat cats love you when you blame “entitlements”, because they are the true welfare queens. Second: Learn how to write a sentence. Your rambling makes you look stupid.

      • xxsimmonsxx

        what are you talking about? most of our spending goes to the military. we spend what was it? 10 times more on our military than every single other developed country in the world? you really know nothing our history. the Revolutionary War ended in 1776. the Constitution was ratified in 1796. i suggest you learn something and look up the reason why there is a 20 year disparity between those two numbers. you’re right its about taxes but not the way you think.

      • melloe

        It would be very difficult for what the lying right call”Entitlemenmts” to be half the budget, when the Military Industrial complex and ” defense” including past obligations ( part of which the right falsely include in what they call entitlements ) is taking well over 50 percent of the budget. What I am tying to say is you are operating from a lie you seem to believe in to start with. “They include Social Security and Medicare programs in their lie. If Reagan had not raided the piggy bank, Soicial Security would be paid for fore another 20 years or so, and the solution there is simple. The real “moochers” are the rich and corporations who get more than all the unemployed in the billions. Want to angry at someone, be angry at GE, or the Oil Companies ( Koch Brothers included ) There is a whole list of them who send their money off shore to escape taxes, and then get handouts besides. YOU ARE ANGRY AT THE WRONG PEOPLE. The Rancher that so many supported is one of the “moochers” BTW.

      • Barry

        50% going to entitlements lol Come on now… you know that is wrong. So let’s change the name to social assistance. Now what?

      • Robyn Ryan

        Actually, Congress is charged by the Constitution with oversight of ALL Federal agencies the Executive Branch manages. So those committees that Congress members sit on are supposed to be reviewing what BLM and other agencies do. Separation of powers. House elections used to be a sign of pricking the public. What is important to citizens? In the Constitution, the writers put government as the Shield between the citizen and the Plagues of Europe – religion and corporate exploitation. It’s in the Library.

      • William Lou Jenkins

        WOW MAYBE YOU NEED TO SPEND SOME MORE TIME THERE LADY…the constitution was established to protect the rights of the people from being trampled upon by a governing body as has been the case through out all of history with respect to dictators, kings, rulers, pharaohs, etc. it followed on the heals of the then revolutionary declaration of independence, in which for the first time the ideal was put forth that…..governments exist by the consent of the governed, not the person existing at the whim of the ruling or governing body AND that when that governing entity envinces a plan to reduce them under an absolute despotism it is their right to abolish or alter it. as far as religion it wasnt meant to “shield” them from religion it was meant to protect and foster differing religious view points or denominations, because in Europe largely the Catholic church had enormous power throughout most of it, and any teachings for a long time were considered to Heretical, such as Lutheranism, Protestantism, Unitarinaism, so on an so forth.
        AND WITH REGARD YOUR STATEMENT ABOUT CORPORATE EXPLOITATION ? WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK RUNS THIS COUNTRY AND EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THIS WORLD ? CORPORATIONS !

      • Phil Keast

        One minor factoid for your consideration: The rights of the aristocracy and kings to trample upon the rights of those over whom they ruled was, in principle [and within some limits in practice], abolished when the Magna Carta enshrined the principle the rule of law was applied to all, regardless of birth or station, and that no man could be convicted or punished except through the due process of the law. Predates the Declaration of Independence just a little (1215 AD).

      • William Lou Jenkins

        and one for yours and everyone else’s here actually a couple now that I think about it….
        1) How was it signed by KIng John ? at the point of sword not at a ballot box !
        2) that no “freeman” was to be set upon, it did not apply to surfs, so your statement that it applied to all is incorrect, you need to check your facts a little bit more thoroughly there my fellow man…

      • Barry

        I like the ‘surfs’ reference. The image of all those grimy, toothless dolts leaving their meager allotments to catch a big one… ‘Come on then mates… the curls are calling.’

      • William Lou Jenkins

        oh yeah and I believe I said that the declaration was the first to espouse the following ideal”s now read this carefully…
        1) THAT GOVERNMENTS ONLY REASON FOR EXISTANCE IS TO ” SECURE ” PEOPLES RIGHTS NOT DETERMINE THEM
        2) THAT THEIR “JUST AUTHORITY” IS DERIVED FROM THE CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED
        3) AND THAT WHEN SAID GOVERNMENT BECOMES DESTRUCTIVE TO THESE RIGHTS THE PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO ALTER OR ABOLISH IT. no where did I say that the declaration was the first to establish the rule of law the Magna Carta did NOT put forth or challenge the “divine right” of the monarchy to rule over its subjects

      • Phil Keast

        Perhaps I misuderstood when you said, and I quote, that the declaration of independance was the first to declare that subjects were not to be ruled “at the whim of the ruling or governing body“.

        My mistake, clearly I imagined it.

      • xxsimmonsxx

        I find it pretty sad that most people point at the Declaration of Independence and quote from it as if its the end of every political argument. have you noticed people doing this? its even worse when those same people dont seem to have any clue that the U.S. had another form of government that existed, and failed, for almost 20 years before anyone even tried to create our current Constitution. I find it hilarious people speak about the “king”, England was then, and is now, ruled by the parliament.

      • Robyn Ryan

        You forgot the Crusades and the ensuing plagues. Oliver Cromwell. Spanish Inquisition. Colonization of America. The French suppression of the Albigensian Heresy. The Renaissance. Henry VIII. All in the subsequent 500 years. Ocean Springs MS was founded by the French in 1699.

        Lotta stuff there, buckaroo.

        The Magna Carta was a truce between the Nobility and the King. It guaranteed the rights of the aristocracy against the king and today is present in the House of Lords in the British Parliament. Nothing to do with commoners. Nice try.

        1776 was an uprising of commoners against corporate oppression. Their King refused to honor their loyalty and the House of Lords had been bought by their investment in the East India Trade Co. They wrote the Constitution to shield citizens from their two biggest predators. Church and Business.

        Paine’s ‘free-hand’ remark continues with a warning not to allow businesses to organize.

        You can have either ignorance or freedom. Never both.

      • Phil Keast

        Let’s not forget the deaths of the Revolutionary War, the French Revolution, the excessess of the Russian Zsars, and all the other horrible things that happened in history.

        Yes, a lot has happened before and since the signing of the Magna Carta, and it was not a perfect document, but the social progress since, and the rights people now enjoy, are founded on the signing of that document and the tide of social progress that built upon it. The suggestion that somehow the declaration of independence, in which for the first time the ideal was put forth that…..governments exist by the consent of the governed, not the person existing at the whim of the ruling or governing body appeared out of nowhere, establishing human rights in a world where the concept was previously unknown is pure ignorance and arrogance. Both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States of America appeared as formalized documents laying out principles of already established social movements.

        As for ignorance and freedom, in a perfect world all citizens would have the education, and interest, and opportunity, to make an informed choice when a government is being formed on their behalf. That not being the case, it is another responsibility of a just society that the freedoms of those citizens who have slipped through the education net be protected. No person, no state, no nation lives in a vacuum, but exists in a complex web of interrelating interests (and history) beyond their control, however much people would prefer the rugged individualism, or national pride, of not having to pay attention to anything outside their own narrow self interest.

      • Robyn Ryan

        You still have to account for 500 years. And Iceland was running the Althing as a representative democracy before 1100. So, not even in Europe was England the first democracy with a written document of privileges and rights. They gave us Shakespeare. Don’t try to grab credit for everything.

      • Phil Keast

        Fair point, I’d forgotten about the Althing, and I wasn’t trying to claim credit for everything (though I can understand that it appears that way, and for that I apologize). I was merely trying to point out that neither can the USA.

      • Robyn Ryan

        A nice brain stretch. Remember the original Lt. Checkov? “The Russians invented that.”?

      • Phil Keast

        “What we have here is a failure to communicate.”

        Did the English/British Empire/Magna Carta invent and enumerate all the rights and privileges enjoyed today from whole cloth, in a vacuum, entirely without any influence from outside sources? Of course not.

        Did the Declaration of Independance create a revolutionary, unheard of, complete set of social principles, laying down all the rights and privileges enjoyed today in a vacuum, entirely without any influence from outside sources? Of course not.

        That is my position, no more, no less.

      • Dale Toy

        As the normal RWNJ interprets the Constitution, this one likewise says, “Of course we have freedom of religion in this country, you’re free to be whatever kind of Christian you want to be!”

        Typical.

      • Angi Gray

        1) That is what the Articles of Confederation were for. The Constitution came later and had different intent, a communistic one in comparison.
        2) The framers of the Constitution didn’t even want to include the Bill of Rights. They only agreed to add it as amendments to get the votes of those people who were afraid this new charter gave the government too much power (hmmm).
        3) It wasn’t the Catholic Church they disdained, but rather the Church of England.

        I recommend a college-level history book to you, so that you might have a stronger understanding of our government history.

      • xxsimmonsxx

        hah! a college level book? well he will just say that people are putting a liberal slant on history. college is all just “indoctrination” after all isnt it?

      • commonsense4sure

        You better go back and take a constitution class by someone qualified to teach it! ‘A shield between the citizen and plagues of Europe’?? The people were the govt…. ‘of the people – by the people and for the people’. Ever hear that somewhere…. just maybe??

      • Phil Keast

        This is a false dichotomy that arises quite regularly. I have actually been in combat to protect our freedoms, I think I have a bit more investment in those freedoms.

        Bovine manure. The universal voting mandate (much as it has been and is being, progressively whittled away), gives everyone equal rights to determine the path of the USA and to determine its freedoms, and the enforcement of them. That’s what is known as democracy.

        I’ll follow the lead of a man of peace before that of a man of war, no matter how just the war the warrior fought in. Not because I do not respect the sacrifice that warriors make on our behalf, but because I feel strongly that sending others to die on behalf of myself due to my/our failure to find a non-violent path, especially when I, personally, cannot go to war myself, is morally reprehensible.

        Somewhere we lost sight of what leadership is about. If you advocate war, lead from the front and dodge the bullets, at least long enough to appreciate what you are asking others to do, and then return to your safe refuge and reconsider the consequences of your policies (and, no, being a veteran of a previous conflict is not enough, the nature of war changes, get out there NOW, with the cruise missiles, drones, and laser guided depleted uranium artillery shells).

        This applies to policy makers of all and any political persuasion or party. If you aren’t personally willing to risk you own life, then find a solution that doesn’t require others to do so.

      • Embermage

        I’ve been out there now. I have stood and fought those that sought to take my life or the lives of my brothers. I have held my friends’ dead bodies and been covered by their blood. Does that count?

      • Phil Keast

        Of course it bloody well counts, now use that vote that you have fought to defend and vote the idiots that sent you there to the unmitigated hell they deserve for what they just made you go through. Just don’t deny other voters that weren’t there the right to have an opinion on the subject and vote accordingly.

      • Embermage

        Never would dream of denying that right

      • Phil Keast

        My apologies if I implied or stated that you would do so, if I did incorrectly, then I was wrong. [Although Considering that I have actually been in combat to protect our freedoms, I think I have a bit more investment in those freedoms is a little inflammatory]. Unfortunately there are those who would restrict voting rights on the basis of military service.

      • Embermage

        While I enjoy reading Heinlein, Starship Troopers is by no means a good method of governance.

      • Phil Keast

        Agreed, now if we could get people like William (below) to stop this “Hail Sparta” crap, we could all move on.

      • Jerry Nevit

        Embermage was pretty clear to me..he said he had a bit more investment in those freedoms, not that he had more rights to those freedoms

      • Phil Keast

        It depends on how one interprets “investment”. Normally, the more one “invests” the more the more rights one has to determine the course of that in which one has invested. Now I’m not saying that is the only interpretation, or even a good one, or for that matter the way embermage intended to use it, but that was how I read it. If I misunderstood, and further correspondence makes it clear that embermage was not intending to imply that his vote was more valuable than that of others, then mea culpa.

        Scrolling down, seems I’m not the only person to have interpreted “more investment” to mean “more entitlement”.

      • Robyn Ryan

        Shakespeare said it better. If they hadn’t stolen your Humanitys, you’d know that.

      • Embermage

        Actually I have read Shakespeare, along with other well and lesser known works of classical literature and philisophy. Some were required reading during my school years, while others I read to better myself and my understanding of history and humankind.

      • Mase

        Ok Ok you are obviosuly more patriotic than those who have not served. What say you get 5 votes for every election candidate to the normal persons 1. That make you happy?

      • William Lou Jenkins

        in Sparta you would have been thrown out with the other detritus of society

      • Phil Keast

        True. But where is the society that Sparta espoused today? In the history books and glorified by Hollywood. Sparta failed the test of time, it is long gone, consigned to extinction by the tide of social progress.

      • William Lou Jenkins

        just like every single society of mans invention since the dawn of time my friend, this one we are a part of will suffer the same fate as will the next and the next and so on ad infinum

      • Phil Keast

        The USA has outlived the society of Sparta, in terms of its duration, by a very large margin. There are other countries that have a continuous history of evolving and changing social structures that have lasted even longer. Sparta was stagnant and unchanging. It barely lasted long enough to become an interesting footnote in history. Modern societies tend to be (although aren’t necessarily) more robust, changing with the times. Those that refuse to adapt end up in the same historical waste bin as Sparta.

      • David P.

        Sparta, as a city-state lasted slightly more than 1,100 years.

        The United States has barely scratch 240.

        You might want to stop pretending you are smarter than you really are.

      • Phil Keast

        Fair enough, mea culpa. While I could debate the merits of social evolution it’s obviously not worth the effort. Clearly the previous poster’s proposition that all societies, including those of the USA and Australia, will in time fail and be consigned to oblivion and irrelevance is indisputable. Personally, I’d like to think that modern societies are a little more adaptable than that, and will do all within my power to try and ensure that the societies I admire (which, despite what some may think, includes the USA) are not consigned to an historical footnote (not that I actually have the power to make a difference).

      • Mary

        Wearing a diaper and a cape.

      • Jerry Nevit

        sorry, wrong..we are a constitutional republic, not a democracy…. you should probably research the difference.

      • Phil Keast

        A country that has as part of its (stated) governmental process the universal mandate to vote is a democracy, whatever the forms of its Parliamentary System, Articles of Federation, Constitution, or otherwise may be.

        Australia is a federation of states formed for the purposes of eliminating internal trade barriers while formulating common policy in the interests of all its member states (there are some “states rights” movements, but they are almost uniformly over-ruled by the High Court). We are also a democracy, and damn proud of it!

        Unfortunately, many “democracies” do not apply that universal mandate equally to all, through the use of threats of violence, discrimination, intimidation, gerrymander, etc., etc.. Some of these aspire to democracy, others are blind to or unwilling to address the flaws in their voting system, and others wish no more than the appearance of being a democracy for the purposes of their foreign affairs agenda.

      • beentheredonethat

        You think being a combat vet makes you an expert on freedom? You think making up a political name for yourself does that too? There are lots of us combat vets who think you right-wing extremists (gee, is that name-calling ?) are out in left field and think you’re on 3rd base.

      • Embermage

        Problem is you think it is a game, while I think it is a war of ideals that has spanned history. Not sure where the political name part is coming from in your reply.

      • http://www.isafrogsasswatertight.com/ Kermit

        just what combat were you in to protect our freedoms? last time that happened was WW2.

      • Embermage

        Maybe in your mind. My family has followed the flag from the War of Independence until the present day.

      • Robyn Ryan

        Volunteer force, remember, oh clueless one?

      • Tracker

        What more investment have you than a teacher who marches into a hostile classroom every day or a scientist who struggles for funding to continuing life-saving research, or a pilot who safely transports citizens around the planet? You chose one profession and they chose another but all of you contribute to society. With all due respect, sir, your choice does not give you more entitlement.

      • xxsimmonsxx

        thats a great way of putting it. the “im a veteran so therefore better able to talk about the constitution” argument is invalid. its not even worth commenting on most of the time. it leads no where. most of the people who use it do so because it makes others change their tone or give him some kind of praise for being a veteran. as a veteran I see through that nonsense.

      • Angi Gray

        If you are a constitutionalist, then you acknowledge the US government as a valid authority, particularly over public lands, and their authority to administer and even tax those lands. Because that IS in the Constitution. You cannot pick and choose and still call yourself a constitutionalist.

        This man says he is not a US citizen, says he does not recognize the authority of the Federal government over public lands. This man is NOT a patriot. According to his own words, he is a foreigner demanding the use of public holdings at no cost. How is that different than an illegal alien being on welfare?

      • commonsense4sure

        He’s up to date and has paid everything due to the state. What is wrong with you knuckleheads that you just don’t get it? By signing and paying grazing fees to the govt he would have had to forfeit his mineral and water rights to his property! Who in their right might would do that? They”ve owned that land over a hundred years! Why do you think neighboring governors stood up for Bundy? You think they are crooks too?

      • prsmith

        Actually, it is not and the courts have so ruled. The public lands that lie within the boundaries of the State belong to the State and NOT to the federal government and the SCOTUS has so ruled.

      • Robyn Ryan

        Your General officers have betrayed you. they’ve betrayed us all.

      • Judith_Priest

        “Constitutionalist” = “Tea Party, But Ashamed Of It”

        Sort of like “Libertarian” = “Republican, But Ashamed Of It.”

      • Robyn Ryan

        At least they have the good taste and sense to feel ashamed……..

      • LibertyDwells

        An deeply embarrassing comment. One can only wonder if your are that ignorant or that willing to appear so in a desperate effort to prop up a declining left wing.

      • Charger67

        If I can name 10 ways that YOU directly benefit from the government on a daily basis will you post “government is good?” Accept my challenge?

      • LibertyDwells

        Certainly, but let me save you a bit of effort: I live in a custom built log home on property my family has held for generations. I designed it and built it. We have no zoning or building inspections here. I am “off grid”: Solar, wind, geothermal, wood burning, septic, water wells. I own large old diesel 4 wheel drives trucks and don’t “need” a road at all(or my CTS/V), though I have used county and city (locally funded) roads often enough. I, generally, make my own biodiesel. My children attended a private school, as did I. I don’t have broadcast TV nor a cell phone, nor would I if you gave them to me.

        I *had* good insurance. With the arrival of Obamacare the rate more than doubled so now I have none.

        So what things am I supposed to “owe” to government? Whatever they might be I am pretty sure the fat check I just sent to the IRS more than covers it.

      • Jaynee_Doe

        Perhaps you’re confused about how the internet works, but if you’re on it, as you were when you posted your comment above, you are definitely on the grid. In fact, there’s something laughable about using the grid to write about how “off grid” you are.

      • LibertyDwells

        That might be a valid point, if I were at home.

        Is a lack of thinking things thru an across-the-board leftist trait? Or do you only do it when you imagine maybe you won’t get called out?

        Still, even if I were home and had wireless internet coming in you offer a tenuous argument at best. The ‘net hardly ranks up there in importance with heat, water and travel. At least it doesn’t if you’re over about age 12…

      • Jaynee_Doe

        Of course it occurred to me you weren’t using the internet at your home. It doesn’t matter. Traveling somewhere to use the grid is not living “off grid.”

        Additionally, you were the one who, in your attempt to prove something to the other “leftist” poster, claimed you were so off grid that you refused to use a cell phone. There’s hardly much difference in levels of grid use between a cell phone and the internet, so your attempt to justify your claim by assigning levels of “importance” fails.

        “Off” does not mean “a lot less than most people.” “Off” mans off. Thus, your use of the internet today demonstrates you do not live “off grid.”

      • Charles Vincent

        Maybe they used the public library.

      • ff

        I wonder who paid for that?

      • Charles Vincent

        That’s sort of irrelevant.

      • commonsense4sure

        Grid means not being dependent on a utility company for ‘power’ like electricity or water or natural gas!! You’re welcome for educating your poor pitiful self!!

      • aclay777

        off the grid when you log on to someone else wifi, Starbucks or McDonalds, or don’t you know that. There are many ways advertized that the NSA can’t know who you are while actively accessing the web, or has that bypassed you, gee, some people, the beauty of the internet, they can still use it while they cram their foot further into their mouth.

      • Charles Vincent

        And I can name one detriment for every benefit you list and 50/50 that I can show how the benefits you list are actually detriments.

      • Really?

        Sort of like Progressive = Communist with undeserved intellectual smugness.

      • Mary

        I believe they like to be called “Communitarianists” now. (Yes, I’m serious.)

      • jenny

        Full communism doesn’t work in real life, most of us are more into a socialised economy with provisions for everyone’s basic human rights now. Sorry if that sounds boring but we actually care about our countrymen

      • Ray Chandler

        Boring and stupid. You’re perfectly free to “care” about whoever you want, and to redistribute your earnings and property however you wish. But when you or whoever else supports taking the earnings of the rest of us to support a bunch of parasites — one of many transgressions against individual liberty the “progressives” push — then expect some pushback. Push too far and expect to get your head blown off. That applies any “progressive,” any of their political Svengalis or any Fed “stormtrooper” who will do their bidding. And by the way, no one has a “human right” to the earnings or property of another and no such right to have anything provided for them by way of the expropriation of another’s earniings or property.

      • melloe

        WOW, you really are very misguided, aren’t you. if the parasites you talk about are other US citizens working but need some help, but think the Bundy assswipe Who is stealing from you and me.. a crook is a good guy. Fed storm trooper? You mean the officers working for the court some ignorant gun nuts threatened? There is mental help for you thanks to the ACA.

      • Ray Chandler

        No, I don’t agree with Bundy entirely. And no, it is not the legitimate role of government to “help” some by taking from others. As for the Feds, I relish every instance of one being shot down. Now take your whines and shove them up your ass.

      • xxsimmonsxx

        you relish them being shot down? you mean killed? you are very seriously disturbed. you have some very serious mental health concerns. in the early 1900′s there was a worldwide flu outbreak. it wiped out almost half of the worlds population. simply asking people to wash their hands and clean themselves more often slowed the spread of this deadly flu virus. if the world worked in the insane way are suggesting, we would all be dead. we all pay taxes. not just to help others, but because helping them stops the diseases and issues they have from spreading to us. helping them helps us all.

      • aclay777

        Help them to help us? you’re joking right? it’s proven that they sold off American to the Chinese to put Solar panels on, help who, you’re really off you rocker. American patriots prevailed backed by the law and you advocate for the lawless.

      • Ray Chandler

        Take a course in rhetoric and logic. You might not then be so clearly ignorant. But I suspect nothing would really help you. Nothing will “cure” a moron.

      • aclay777

        I have seen you try to do a battle of wits on here a number of times, you always arrive unarmed.

      • Ryan Parry

        please do tell what he physically took out of my possession and from yours because i just checked and all of my belongings and possessions are still accounted for as well as my money.

        ps i lost my healthcare because of the aca, now i pay $2000 MORE per year just to get the exact same coverage i had before.

      • Ryan Parry

        could my healthcare be considered something the aca “stole” from me??? i had it but then but then it was taken away :)

      • ff

        You screwed up then, because I’m actually saving $200 month for my family and have better coverage. I’m not even an Obama fan.

      • Jared Smith

        FF, you likely took a subsidy or were being ripped off by your insurance, and for that, I say you actually screwed up.

        Very few people I know are paying less and the only reason they are is because they qualified for a subsidy, which is being financed by the taxpayers. You passed economics without cheating, right?

      • ff

        Hmmm ripped off by insurance? Say it isn’t so. Wanna know who’s getting ripped off by insurance and who has been getting ripped off for decades? F’ing everyone, including you.

        Wanna know what Obama care does? At least it helps balance it a bit and guarantees you’re actually getting better service for an even cheaper price. I don’t need to defend myself to you or anyone else. I know several people who are using it just fine. Is it perfect? Of course not but at lest it’s a start. Could it be better, yes? Would it be better pif the ring GOP actually helped write it and compromised instead of trying to fight it? Yes. Would it be better if it was single payer. Hell yes.

        I don’t even like Obama and I’m not a Dem so don’t try to play some BS partisan game. You do know how insurance works right? Turn off Fox news for F’s sake.

      • aclay777

        you’re poverty stricken probably blogging when you should get a better job

      • aclay777

        The BLM was not acting under a court Order, that’s why no other agency showed, up, they chose to act by force, in a manner that is completely illegal, that day the people stood up against a federal agency destroying his property that no judge would have entered such an Order; those acts will land the BLM on the losing side of the next lawsuit. This will enrage the most bias Fed judge to twist this into what they done, it was by law, illegal, what this agency’s action decided on by them to taze his family, destroy and kill cattle, No court order? what idea of the power of government do you have, I’m assuming the same is it’s OK to have shot the old man getting out of Bed and grabbed his cane to walk and the cops shot him, and had the wrong address. The BLM had no legal right to take these actions. They had already intimidated 97 others to leave their roots, this action with Bundy was planned and failed and was, by law, illegal.

      • aclay777

        The Bundy’s didn’t steal anything from me, they stood up for my freedoms and for that I’m thankful.

      • ff

        Your freedom? WTF are you talking about?

      • aclay777

        Dimwit

      • ff

        So…you got nothing but insults? Typical.

      • aclay777

        How can you make the comments you make, if you read beyond this article, and come up with these assertions, that’s the major problem with the world today, Research for Christ sake.

      • ff

        Right back at ya.

        Let me try again.

        PROVE ME WRONG. I’m open-minded. Otherwise you’re all BS.

      • aclay777

        they say you can’t prove a negative,yet here you are?

      • ff

        All talk and nothing to back it up. You STILL got nothing. The tea party is a joke and the joke is on the morons who actually believe their BS-look in the mirror.

      • aclay777

        prove you wrong,I already have, like I said, you came to do a battele of wits and came unarmed, I think that’s the way others has responded to you above, Prove, the facts has already done that, you just keep parroiting the same old bull when you’re already dead wrong.

      • commonsense4sure

        Obviously you are completely uninformed as to the facts surrounding all of this. I suggest you do some REAL research before you point fingers!

      • commonsense4sure

        PS Bundy raises free range antibiotic free beef! He hasn’t taken a dime from me or you for that matter! No one has the right to come in and kill or destroy your private property! It’s in our founding documents… but i’m sure you haven’t a clue about that!

      • aclay777

        Ray is talking about those who don’t work, or try to, have 22 kids and on the street bragging about “Obama phones” then Obama recently said that for the payers of the over priced insurance should give up their cable TV and cell phones, that’s ridiculous (while being taxed to pay for the non-workers insurance and cell phones of these others). This is all true, Melloe, how’s that Obama phone working out for you?

      • aclay777

        Hey the “asswipe” BLM were discovered yesterday and the masive grave where they have been killing off Bundy’s and others cattle, they found the massive grave yesterday, the government has their pants way down below their ankles on this one.

      • Jared Smith

        Parasites are the increasing number of people who exploit the welfare system. When I worked as a checker for two years in high school, I’d see people buying 500 with crab legs, lobster, new york steak, name brand groceries (nothing private label) on their EBT card, and I see the keys to a caddy or beemer. Not an old one, but a new one. It’s not hard to tell who’s cheating the system, but they usually brag about it.

        Also, there are people who sell their stamps for cash. Parasites are those who CAN produce, but don’t.

        Before the “ignorant gun nuts” (wow, you sound like a liberal version of Sean Hannity) arrived, armed feds stormed his property, and I’ll say that again…ARMED. I’m not talking about stun guns and pistols, we’re talking shotguns and assault rifles.

        As no surprise, the media told only part of the story. The CNN initial story raised the question “was the government going too far?”

      • ff

        The parasites are the ones who TAKE and don’t give and that by far is the rich who pay way less than the poor. Ohhhh, I’m just a crazy liberal right? Nope. Not a Dem, just know how to read. The ultra rich take far more in subsidies and tax breaks than the poor take in welfare. F’ing FACT.

      • aclay777

        you’re wrong and you didn’t understand a thing he wrote. Blogging with people like you sux, you simply don’t have any idea what the Constitution says or means.

      • Ray Chandler

        Obviously you’re as simple-minded as “Jenny”. If you run across people you think “need help,” by all means help them. You’re perfectly free to do that. What you’re not free to do is take the earnings or property of others to do it against the will of the person possessing it. You did not read for comprehension, assuming you’re even able to do that. I stand by EVERYTHING I wrote above. Like it, don’t like, I don’t give a damn.

      • Ryan Parry

        i like that word expropriation, but i prefer extortion, lets be honest thats really what it is because if we refuse to pay we get “punished”

      • aclay777

        Hey, a real patriot, Keep repeating what our forefathers said over 200 years ago, Ray, some of these idiots enjoy the freedoms and get to pocket our $$ too, astounding isn’t it.

      • ff

        The ‘founding father’s’ would be rolling over in their graves listening to the idiotic statements from the tea party morons.

      • aclay777

        I guess this computer stuff is great for a moron like you, have your foot in your mouth and keep on typing.

      • aclay777

        Dead on, and in some way some butthead would deny that you’re right.

      • xxsimmonsxx

        I’m more into socializing the parts of the economy that we need to help people. farming, water, healthcare. I dont really need anything else socialized. the rest of the economy can stay capitalist.

      • aclay777

        man are you stupid, see the documentary Farmgeddon and you’ll be trying the erase that comment, we want the government controlling our water?? in the last 30 years we have made all waterways pure again, Socializing water, that is crazy.

      • ff

        The rich are buying the water and will one day own it all. What are you gonna do then?

      • ff

        Don’t forget the Koch brothers have been fined THOUSANDS of times for pulling waterways. Yeah, they LOVE american all right…

      • aclay777

        Isn’t that like having your head up your butt and still want the smell of fresh air.

      • Paul Smith

        Then help them, Jenny, but you have no right to steal from me to accomplish that.

      • Matt

        Human rights or human needs and wants? Socialised economy? That second one is an oxymoron in today’s world. So how do we socialize the economy. The companies move overseas for cheap labor…. no jobs no income no basic NEEDS (not rights). You try to tax companies that move overseas to in bring money for the government (whose income is tax based) to provide those NEEDS. So they move their headquarters offshore and we loose even more tax revenue. We are doomed with “progressive thinking.” A country can not survive if it’s economy is retail based or defense spending based. Unfortunately we already are.

      • ff

        Good riddance. Those companies don’t give an f anyway. Screw them. And screw using the US military to support them.

        Get the f out of America if you don’t wanna pat taxes like the rest of us.

        Meanwhile wall street profits at an all time high. Wages an all time low. They have so many extra billions they can just BUY our politicians. It;s tim e for the rich to pay the F up period.

      • Humma Kavula

        Communism is ten times more corrupt than a government operating under unbridled capitalism. No money gets “re-distributed to the poor;” on the contrary, the poor and those who do the actual work are looked upon as “embarrassments who should be out of sight and out of mind.” You say they get free housing and free food? Wow, spoiled food, vermin-infested housing with shoddy electrical wiring, etc. What a paradise.

        I spent a year mere miles from the DMZ in Korea, close enough to listen to the propaganda being blasted across the Military Demarcation Line at the south. Enough to know that NOBODY – not even American progressives – would wish that form of government upon their worst enemies. So drop the “communist” nonsense, since none of you over on the right side of the aisle knows what communism, socialism, or any other “ism” you like tossing about like darts, truly are.

      • ff

        Sure capiltism is working great huh? The US is only 16 trillion in debt and the richest 85 people own more than the poorest 3 BILLION. Yeah great.

      • aclay777

        you can’t count either, gee, learn how to be embarrassed for Christ sake

      • ff

        Sure. Prove me wrong. So far all you got is insults, which means nothing after reading your BS.

      • Humma Kavula

        Are you advocating communism? Because I sure as hell don’t, and never will. I stood watch on the wall during the Cold War. I don’t trust anyone or anything that follows that corrupt system.

      • ff

        No way are you crazy?! I’m advocating we don’t let the rich buy our politicians and that they actually pay taxes like the rest of us. Citizens United was the worst decision ever. The rich have been killing it for decades. It’s time to pay the F up.

      • aclay777

        Communism don’t happen over night but we know it when we see it, like small fires must be extinguished

      • Humma Kavula

        Nice dodge of my post. I said communism is ten times more corrupt than a government based on capitalism.

      • Ryan Parry

        im a libertarian and i disagree with the republicans on many many things and believe they’re wrong, sooo whats your stereotype for me?

      • aclay777

        Puuulllleeezzz, there is a huge difference, you came to do the battle of wits, and arrived here unarmed.

      • Mike Kelley

        Actually, most Libertarians are former Democrats who have seen the light and have grown up but don’t support the establishment GOP which is nothing more than a watered down Democratic party. And just to be clear, you are saying that being a constitutionalist is something to be ashamed of? You would prefer Sharia Law? Gotta love you Liberals who just can’t get enough legal slavery.

      • ff

        Like being owned buy the rich? You know the same rich the GOP LOVES all day long. Try again.

      • commonsense4sure

        You are quite ignorant of the facts xx! When hired mercenaries come on to private or state property and murder two prize bulls, destroy water tanks, (Bundy has invested millions in infrastructure on the land) tear down fences, tear up the habitat and kill hundreds of the ‘protected’ species of tortoise in the process… I’d say that’s wrong! You think killing beautiful healthy cattle is the right thing to do? If you do… you’re wacked!! That rancher paid everything he was supposed to – to the state….. When neighboring Governors come to stand with the rancher…. YOU just might want to look into this a little deeper before you spout off! There is way more to this than you know!!!

      • xxsimmonsxx

        they arent mercenaries if they are lawfully employed by the governement you idiot. they become authorized federal employees and threatening them or pointing weapons at them is a federal crime. i cant beleive you fucking idiots are defending someone who lets his cattle graze on land owned by all of us. we paid for it with taxes. he is stealing from me and you and everyone else and theres something very seriously wrong with the whole lot of you. he has paid nothing. nothing at all to the federal courts that have asked him to pa for decades for his crimes. you’re an idiot and youve been fooled by a con man. wake up.

      • commonsense4sure

        What do you call someone who’s paid to destroy personal property? HUH? Bundy didn’t go along with what the feds wanted because of the ‘fine print’.. he would have lost his water rights that his family paid for a hundred years ago! Why don’t you actually do some research instead of believing what only one side is telling you! DUH! SO why did Governors from other states show up to support him? You think they were ‘conned’ too? GET A CLUE!! This isn’t about tortoises ….!!!!

      • Kevin Abel

        Simmons unless you no what is really going on here you shouldn’t speak, It just makes you sound stupid. You apparently only know what the media is telling you and have not researched the facts, as many of you libs have a habit of doing and then spewing out nonsense and spreading the lies as truth. Bundy did pay his fees to the state it is not fed. land and they got no business trying to collect fees or stealing cattel where they do not belong. Just because the feds. decide they want a piece of land does not mean they can just take it. there is a lot more involved in this than what you know.

      • xxsimmonsxx

        since you are incapable of understanding that court documents are a matter of public record. please submit a freedom of information act request for the 20 years of documents that all say this same thing, then you can talk to me about research or knowing the knowing the facts.

        IV. CONCLUSION

        IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that the United
        States’ Motion for Summary Judgment (#18)is GRANTED.

        IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that defendant Cliven Bundy’s Motion to Dismiss (#28) is DENIED as moot.

        IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Bund
        y is permanently enjoined from trespassing onthe New Trespass Lands

        IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the UnitedStates is entitledto protect the NewTrespass Lands against this trespass, and all future trespasses by Bundy

        IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Bundy shall remove his livestock from the New Trespass Lands within 45 days of the date hereof, andthat the United States is entitled to seize and remove to impound any of Bundy’s cattle that remain in trespass after 45 days of the date hereof.

        IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the United States is entitledto seize and remove to impound any of Bundy’s cattle for any future trespasses, provided the United States has provided
        notice to Bundy under the governing regulations of the United States Department of the Interior.

      • Ryan Parry

        oh snap, i forgot he wasnt a tax paying citizen of that county and state, well shit that changes everything hahahaha ITS THE STATES LAND NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS! ask mr harry reid how that solar facility they want to put on his land(not the publics) is working out…ps the blm is not a law enforcement agency first off, their job is LAND MANAGEMENT hence the name lol. They were created to HELP FARMERS maintain the land and…..are your ready? are you sitting down? MAINTAIN FENCES TO PREVENT OVERGRAZING!!! since they stopped helping ranchers/farmers do this a lot refused to pay the fees, yes fees not taxes not fines but fees, ya know the money you give to one person/group in return for a service. Why on earth should or would someone pay for something they are not getting? you could argue it was partially the blms fault the cattle were able to make it onto “federal land” because they didnt do their jobs of maintaining the land and fencing.

        PLEASE, next time you try to make yourself look smart do a little research outside of bias liberal media that has an agenda, try the actual facts, unedited video footage, websites that have no affiliation with either side but just report the facts..Opinions do not = facts and a lie no matter how much its repeated or believed doesnt make it truth

      • aclay777

        That’s a lie, and you have no, idea what you’re talking about, the actions of the Fed’s was an internal conspiracy, they had legal means to attach his lands, they didn’t want those “legal” remedies, they chose to conspire by illegal force and destroying his property against the law, lets say you suffer a lien on your home for a debt, and then they show up with guns and kill your dog, taser your family and without a court order, which no judge would ever give, all this is to intimidate you into leaving your own land and practices you have had for 100 years. Problem is xxsimmonsxx you are obviously sucking on the fed government nipple, we have had a back and forth about 8 months ago on your it’s Ok for the Feds to do anything to innocent people, The Bundies were innocent of this type of life threatening behavior, and you seems to always advocate complete lawlessness as long as it’s by way of the government.

      • aclay777

        You start off on a faulty premiss (xxsimmonsxx) Title 43 USCA 1733(c) made every action of the BLM illegal, they had no legal right to arm themselves against the citizenry, and the premeditated idea of a “First Amendment area” two miles from the shenanigans, the BLM has no right to designate where you exercise your First Amendment rights, not only did they do that, they knew they were acting in absence of legal grounds, The very idea that they can rope off the only area you can exercise your first Amendment, (xx,. whatever) you’re a special kind of stupid aren’t you?

      • aclay777

        Hey Moron they always let him graze there, they allowed him to build and he owned the infrastructure, just how much grass do you think the desert turtle eats -0-

      • Barry

        not bad news at all… so you know a few guys who were there? Cool… and you asked them how many blacks, etc were there? Cool… so how many of the 1,000 or so?

      • Embermage

        I have a couple of friends there now who are black. Those are the two I know personally.

      • xxsimmonsxx

        are they brandishing weapons against federal law enforcement employees? you claim to have fought in the war. you show little empathy for people who are simply wearing a uniform to serve their country. if you break the law. you pay the fines. you call yourself a constitutionalist. wow. the constitution lists a few crimes, what are they? treason and what is the other one again? what are the punishments for those crimes? i find it hilarious you mention a document of law. while saying people have a right to just break the law and threaten government employees.

      • Embermage

        We swear an oath to the Constitution not to the government.

      • xxsimmonsxx

        and what does the constitution do? oh yeah it creates and authorizes a constitutional republic(a type of government). have you even read it? not smart enough to answer my question? its alright I never expect you fools to do much more than change the subject or scream out “patriot”. just for your knowledge I trained at the 500 yard line in boot camp. do you even know what service trains at the 500 yard line?

      • Embermage

        1. Marines
        2. I have read it many times, as well as most of the other documents the Founding Fathers wrote. Can you say the same?

      • xxsimmonsxx

        yes and at what point does the constitution say you are allowed to completely reject the fines that are imposed by federal courts? or to use a militia to stop federal agents from collecting said fines from you?

      • Embermage

        1. Never said I agreed with him not paying the fines. There are alot of laws layered over this mess and it needs to be sorted out via legal means. Not a snatch and grab of the man’s living.
        2. The big build up came after the erection of 1st Amendment zones and people protesting said zones and then being tased and dogs set at them for those protests.

      • DoctorButler

        “it needs to be sorted out via legal means. Not a snatch and grab of the man’s living.”

        They’ve been trying that. This has been going on for 21 years. How long do they have to give someone who’s clearly not going to cooperate.

      • William Lou Jenkins

        wow your really stupid arent you dude(?)
        was Mr. Bundy arrested, tried and convicted ?
        if not then how do you see federal agents “stealing” actually rustling cattle ( in the old west that generally got a man shot dead or hung from a tree either way DEAD ) if said agents are not in possesion of a warrant for his arrest and or an order for judgement to seize said cattle, then the agents are acting under color of law and are depriving Mr. Bundy of due process, as well as violating the 4th amendments right to be secure in ones person, papers, house’s and effects from unreasonable search and seizure, so it seems that using the yardstick of the Law, the BLM and its jackbooted thugs are in violation of it and you dont enforce one Law/s by breaking others and violating rights secured to the individual by the bill of rights

      • Barry

        In removing Bundy’s
        livestock from public lands, the park service and land bureau are
        carrying out two U.S. District Court orders from two different judges.

        “Cattle have been
        grazing in trespass on public lands in Southern Nevada for more than two
        decades,” the National Park Service said. “The BLM and NPS have made
        repeated attempts to resolve this matter administratively and
        judicially. Impoundment of cattle illegally grazing on public lands is
        an option of last resort.”

        Added the BLM: “Mr.
        Bundy has also failed to comply with multiple court orders to remove his
        cattle from the federal lands and to end the illegal trespass.”

        The law about grazing is very clear, and for 20 years Mr. Bundy has known he was breaking the law. The courts issued impound orders and the police were carrying out the instructions of the courts.

        Get a grip man… that land belongs to the tax payers and unless you pay rent and get permission, you don’t get to use it as your personal grazing site.

      • William Lou Jenkins

        are you just regurgitating the BLM’s “official” statement? you said a lot of stuff about courts and orders, was he charged? did he get a trial by a jury of his peers? how do the feds know it was “his” cattle, is he the only rancher in the area? no hes not and he is not the only one who in the area making a fuss, as I now find out this issue is stemming from the “desert tortoise” being categorized a “threatened” species, wow anyone want a tortoise steak on the grill sounds yummy to me, so that’s the scoop 2 decades ago an animal was put on a list and now several ranchers in not only Nevada but new mexico as well and their are additional stories popping up in other states as well I believe we can also add Colorado too, so is this really about cattle not grazing on public lands to protect a turtle or is it in fact a land grab ? and when the grazing rights were cut back did the government compensate him for the loss ?

      • xxsimmonsxx

        yes he was charged you fucking idiot. that’s where the court orders came from. that’s where the fines came from. what the hell is wrong with you? the grazing rights were never cut back. he never had those rights. hes been in and our court about this for 20 years. stop believing the con man. you’ve been fooled.

      • Barry

        deserts are fragile ecosystems… cattle chew up river banks, indiscriminately forage which alters balance and so need to be controlled. The Constitution gives that task to Congress. You have a beef with BLM, you have a beef with Congress… and the Constitution. The land has belonged to the feds since they bought it, and since the Constitution was amended to give them authority… period.

      • prsmith

        It does? Where?

      • Barry

        Article IV, Section 3

        New States may be admitted by
        the Congress
        into this Union; but
        no
        new State shall be formed or erected within
        the Jurisdiction of any
        other
        State; nor any State be formed by the
        Junction of two or more States,
        or
        Parts of States, without the Consent of the
        Legislatures of the States
        concerned as well as of the Congress.

        The Congress shall have Power to
        dispose of
        and
        make all needful
        Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory
        or other Property
        belonging
        to the United States; and nothing in this
        Constitution shall be so
        construed
        as to Prejudice any Claims of the United
        States, or of any particular
        State.

        Lands the feds bought… you remember Louisiana Purchase, Gadsden Purchase, Alaska Purchase, Mexican-American War… etc. All that land bought and paid for became territory belonging to the United States. Now Congress has the power to sell the land, give it away, set up homesteads, make reservations, military bases, national parks… on and on. If you ranch next to some of this land, Congress has the right to make you register and pay a fee to use it for private grazing. This helps to regulate the territories and keep sensitive property in good nick.

      • Barry

        I am replying here to the Pollard question. That decision related to Alabama. which was not part of the new Louisiana Purchase. Alabama had long been a state by the time Nevada became a state and circumstances were different. The last half of the 19th century were very difficult and politically almost everything was challenged. Pollard may hold some value in constitutional court. I do not know for sure, and neither do you. I ask myself, if Pollard did make a determination of states’ rights to those lands, why has it not been brought before this Scotus? Why is it Reagan and other leaders who clearly wanted to change the use and status of ‘national lands’ did not do so?

      • Robyn Ryan

        Have pity on WLJ. He’s a little unclear on historical niceties….

      • William Lou Jenkins

        he has erected a multitude of new office’s and sent hither swarms of “officers” to harass our people and eat out their sustenance…a charge levied agianst King George by the colonists back in the day, looking around i would say that the federal government is just as guilty as King George ??? thats a rhetorical question

      • xxsimmonsxx

        you really are stupid huh? King George was not the ruler of England. The English parliament was. His name was a symbol. They were speaking tongue in cheek. The government has a right to protect property paid for by all of us. that land belongs to all of us because its being taken care of with our money. of courset hey sent officers. I guess if someone commits a crime against you, you will fight the “officers” that show up to arrest the criminal?

      • Barry

        Freedom, independence, liberty refer to an absence of undue restrictions and an opportunity to exercise one’s rights and powers. Freedom emphasizes the opportunity given for the exercise of one’s rights, powers, desires, or the like: freedom of speech or conscience; freedom of movement. Independence implies not only lack of restrictions but also the ability to stand alone, unsustained by anything else: Independence of thought promotes invention.

        Freedom! Why do I have the feeling you are going to go to guns on this? Someone taking your freedom of speech away (the SS is likely to shoot someone shouting nasties at the POTUS, so FOS is not a good idea right there. But you can write books, letters, establish newspapers, even have your own TV and radio stations. I call that FOS.

        You can own guns, shoot them, carry them around… what’s the problem? You want people liable to go off the deep end to have the same rights? Not logical… sorry.

        You can protest. But you are not allowed to take hostages or damage people while doing so. Now here you have more freedoms today then when I was protesting the war in Vietnam. Some of us got shot and killed by our own troops. We didn’t have much protection then… no miranda, few protections for newspapers reporting about govt activities, the right of a woman to make decisions about her body. Those are just a few new rights we have today because those of us in the past fought for them. And there are still more, and probably always will be more fights to fight. The fight I see worth fighting today is to keep big money out of elections… period! I am probably a radical but I think the total spend should be limited by law, and that no one should be allowed to contribute over $100 to the election fund… not to any candidates just to the fund to be shared. I believe that all polls and voting laws for national elections should be governed by national statutes, and held the same way in all states. The right to vote without being discouraged or denied is fundamental. Oh there’s more… I would sure like to see a balanced budget, see Soc Sec paid back, see our military expenses cut in half, see major changes to SCOTUS… no more lifetime, must be non-political, must be used to approve laws or make legal decisions and never to influence laws. Many more… how am I doing for a Liberal?

      • Embermage

        While many of those are good ideas you have there, I do have a question on the campaign fund, who would control that money and who would oversee the controllers? The politicians who get the money? I can appreciate a liberal who actually is thoughtful and courteous over some on both sides that seem determined to cause bloodshed.

      • Barry

        Good question! Not sure I should be the person making this determination but a couple ideas to get things started: SCOTUS (they are supreme law and would distribute funds and oversee), or Treasury (they handle money now and have agents), or IRS (already collecting a little money, good at accounting or should be and do have agents). Your thoughts?

      • William Lou Jenkins

        WRONG WRONG WRONG on so many levels SCOTUS is not the “supreme law”, Congress makes the law, they may establish “precedent” by their rulings/decisions but they themselves are not supreme law and there is no money, money is gold, federal reserve “notes” are debt, a “note” by definition is debt in case you didnt know that maybe you might want to actually invest some time studying law and its operation before you go around running off with diarrhea of the mouth

      • Barry

        Well… not exactly on my bucket list. So then the Supreme Court is the Supreme Court. Doesn’t matter in this context. Out in the real world people call all those notes, money. Money is any object or verifiable record that is generally accepted as payment for goods and services and repayment of debts in a particular country or socio-economic context.[1][2][3] The main functions of money are distinguished as: a medium of exchange; a unit of account; a store of value; and, occasionally in the past, a standard of deferred payment.[4][5] Any kind of object or verifiable record that fulfills these functions can be considered money.

        So I guess if you want to spend money in court for like coffee or something, you would need some gold atoms. The gold standard is not around any more… but hey… did you know we have this new stuff everyone calls money

        A general, indefinite term for the measure and representative of value; currency; the circulating medium ; cash. “Money” is a generic term, and embraces every description of coin or bank-notes recognized by common consent as a representative
        of value in effecting exchanges of property or payment of debts.

        Law Dictionary: What is MONEY? definition of MONEY (Black’s Law Dictionary)…

        So I did a little law study and found out you are a phony. What is the legal definition of phony?

      • William Lou Jenkins

        wow your so intelligent you were able to look up the definition of a word, throw all the definitions of words out there you want your statement lacked any new insight or information. a note ( short for promissory note ) is a “promise to pay at some future point and time ” greenbacks, script, moola, cash, or money does not change the fact that it is a note a “promise” to pay a note is a debt instrument asswipe I said there is no money you failed to prove anything I said was wrong, incorrect, or otherwise bullshit, you like looking up definitions look up promissory note and tell me what you find you farm animal screwing mental midget
        if that’s the case maybe we all need to start using sea shells then

      • Barry

        I defer. Apparently we common folks who use the incorrect term ‘money’ are not up to your standards. Oh… I tried buying some milk at the store this morning with a promissory note and they really had a chuckle. Your way of doing things is certainly different, interesting and annoying.

      • Robyn Ryan

        Wipe the drool from the corner of your keyboard.

      • xxsimmonsxx

        You sound like 1 of those idiot IRS/Federal Reserve conspiracy theory believers. You think any money has any real value? Heres a question. whats the value of gold? Dollars. Whats the value of dollars? Gold. Whats the value of gold. Dollars. Whats the value of Dollars? Gold….No form of currency has any value unless you believe it does. Gold is worthless. Its a chunk of metal. Our dollar is the basis of the worlds economy. All currency is valued based on the dollar. You can call it whatever you want. Call it shitting paper for all I care. The worlds currency will still be valued based on shitting paper. So all of that other nonsense you just said; is completely irrelevant.

      • Robyn Ryan

        This is actually easier than you think. Change the poll drivers. Demand live -chat sessions. Candidate blogs and tweets. Open, 2-way dialogue. Make it a real job interview, not a marketing triumph.

        Ignore the MSM. All they do is talk about each other, anyway.

      • Peter J. Kraus

        Wow. You really buy into this conspiracy Muslim Communist shit, huh?
        They are NOT freedom fighters. They’re a bunch of loose cannons, out for some killin’.
        This is America, Bozo.

      • Embermage

        Nice strawman arguement, setup something I didn’t say and then tear it down. Where did I say a single word about conspiracy, muslims, or communists?

      • Truth

        No there are not but keep lying as all Tbags do

      • L J Sullivan

        To quote Ms. Joplin, to the Tea Party base, “freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose”.

      • PRS

        Freedom? Don’t make me laugh throwing that around. The guy is a freeloader. Even other ranchers were saying it. You just one of those suckers the politicians love to have. You spew their talking points and don’t do your homework.

      • Michael Schultheiss

        Hush, Embermage! Don’t you know it’s so much easier to brand our political rivals as racists or terrorists? It saves us the trouble of actually having to argue against them with real arguments!

      • Barry

        Right… and you believe the demographics of the TP reflect society? Like I said… largely good ole boys. I know who you are… I happen to know quite a few of you. Surprise!!

    • Robyn Ryan

      They are Dinosaurs riding Jesus into extinction. We just need to pry their dead hands off our common wealth.

      • Barry

        Robyn I sure hope your optimism is foreshadowing. I admit there are parts of me that shiver at the word extinction and whose extinction that might be. It would take some kind of utter insanity to push the buttons… and they are alive and well in America.

    • Conservativesniper

      Yep, terrorists want the federal government to follow the US Constitution, barry. Jeez, do you realize how ignorant and utterly clueless you sound? Get a clue. Do you know what constitutes a clue?

      • Barry

        nice try

      • xxsimmonsxx

        they are following the constitution. this freak of a rancher has not been following it for the last 21 years. the courts have been trying to get him to comply with the constitutionally authorized law in the state of Nevada for 21 years. wake up

    • John

      It’s all about race with progressives. That’s all you see or think about. It’s like a pair of sunglasses which “colors” every aspect of your Universe.

      • Barry

        I admit it. Nothing gets my hackles up like the snarl of a bigot. However your simile needs inverting. It is the darkness that blinds us, not the light!

    • https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmkEmTv-0m_V87F_4onFLDg/about say no to Democide

      For granted, I’ll take some articles like this for a grain of salt. This is total bias. Of coarse, there will be some not-so-good people in a movement (Bill Ayers & communist revolutionaries, for example), yet, that doesn’t mean that everyone is bad. Sure, I don’t approve the tea party, yet, does that mean I have to stretch the truth? No. Thanks for reading. Peace! P.S; I support LGBT rights.

    • commonsense4sure

      This isn’t about ‘white boy’ anything… Did you see all the different people there? This is about a land grab so the Chinese can build a 5 billion dollar solar plant on land practically given the Reids son. Further more…. ALL that stimulus money for green energy…. where did that go?!

      • Barry

        “The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful Rules
        and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to
        the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so
        construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any
        particular State.”

        This is the law of the land. You do not get to bomb federal offices, intimidate people who work there and their families, and take up arms. You get to vote, get involved in local, county and state govt, write articles or a book, protest the present use plan. You do not get to allow cattle to free range on the land without applying and following the rules and regulations the constitution grants to Congress.

        I would like to know more about the solar plant, and the Reid’s sons. Can you show me where to look?

    • kate

      I don’t agree with the article one bit! … but man you are just plain weird! I’m certain the Bundy’s would be extremely embarrassed by your comment! Geez!

    • Ryan Parry

      umm how many black or asian cattle ranchers have you ever heard or known of lol stop your crying and racebaiting its people like you that keep racism alive today because you just cant shut up and let it die.

      ps theres lots of hispanic ranchers, pps guess you havent heard or youve purposely ignored all the articles about the western ranchers and native americans that have joined together against the keystone pipeline huh? ya know cowboys and indians as a team working together rather than racist fighting between each other. that wouldnt fit your mold of everything being a racist issue now would it. lol

    • aclay777

      Hey Barry, look at the video, there were real patriots there and they were black, Asian and Hispanic along with white people. America is a mix of immigrants to start with, and that was the composition of the Nevada stand off, it was Americans, and to imply otherwise tends to lend credibility to this communists article, which has none.

      • Barry

        I just watched 3 different videos. To be fair they were not videos about who was there… mostly about the standoff and the collection of cattle. I would guess I eyeballed 2,000 people and did see 2 blacks… as for the others hard to tell. I used the KKK bit because as you know the KKK is alive and kicking up its heals again… and to get responses.

        What I don’t get is why you are protesting what is clearly a violation of the law. Bundy is and has been breaking the law. No one to point to but there have been bombings and horrible harassment of the federal workers and their families. Bundy and his friends are not people I would support. Constitution is very clear about those lands… so why go against the law of the land?

      • prsmith

        What a load of dog poo that is.

    • 510

      Please go kill yourself.

      • Barry

        You and me will make a love pact… that what you want sweet thing?

    • Michael Lawrence

      Um…you might actually want to read a bit of history….the KKK was DEMOCRAT organization to hamper blacks. Oh wait…..common core doesn’t teach that.

      • Barry

        That is true Michael. Times do change and surely you realize today’s KKK is made up of white supremacist, conservative republicans? Yeah. So what’s your point?

      • Paul Smith

        Today’s KKK is powerless and irrelevant. What’s your point?

      • Michael Lawrence

        Actually, today the klan is not made up of conservative republicans…do a bit of research. Up until the 1970s the Klan was mostly Democrats…today though….not so much. Currently there are about 6000 members and they are skinhead, neo-nazis that do not claim either party. They do not claim Republican membership because of the Republican stance on civil rights and the Republican passage of the various civil rights legislation of the 1960s. They also do not claim Democrat membership because of their stance on homosexuality, same sex marriage, and their promotion of minorities through various social programs and employment quotas. About the only thing you got right about the Klan of today is that they are white supremacists. Their movement is a dying movement….still not sure why the left likes to bring them up other than to race bait. I think liberals would be lost if the could not be race baiters and race hucksters…thanks, Barry for your contribution to keeping racism alive and well in this country.

      • Barry

        Today’s KKK is too smart to claim membership in any one thing. I certainly hope their movement is dying but am much more in favor of death of their ideals. This is a vicious organization which still makes waves in the south, still has some effect on political races, and has many more members than the ACLU is tracking. They get their noses in, they muck about. I don’t live there anymore but would have invited you to a wee coffee shop in Sylacauga years ago. I doesn’t do racism any harm to ignore the facts. But nice try. I have no effect on racism in the USA but man just open the newspaper, turn on the telly… racism is deep and dedicated. And if you truly care get off your butt and fight it!

      • Michael Lawrence

        It’s funny that you should mention the ACLU….the ACLU supports the KKK in court cases against them. The ACLU supports the KKK’s 1st amendment right to free speech. Kind of funny how a liberal civil liberties legal group will defend hate speech, but not the right to own a gun despite the right to own a gun is also in the bill of rights.
        You are right about racism being alive and well in this country. I see it almost every day in the new from the likes of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and just about every liberal out there that claims disagreeing with President Obama’s policies is racist. That card has been played so many times it’s gotten old and nobody even pays the race hucksters any attention. Conservatives can disagree with a policy and not care what color the person is that signed it into law. If it’s a dumb or bad law, it’s still dumb or bad if a white person signed into law. Yes indeed, racism is alive and well…how many times have black conservatives been disparaged by those on the left because they don’t conform to what is expected of someone of their race? I feel bad for Tim Scott, Allen West, Condoleesa Rice, and Dr. Ben Carson. Every time these people are in the news or in the public eye, they are ripped on by the left. Most of it has nothing to do with any policy and often it comes from people of their very own race. Yes indeed, racism is alive and well from the left. You are correct, it is deep and dedicated. Maybe if you truly cared, you would stop your party from it’s racism against black conservatives.

      • Barry

        I don’t give a hoot who spouts it, racism is born in the same place. You mention some names but have left off the most prominent of all… POTUS. Why? Of course the ACLU stands up for the First Amendment… it is what they do. You don’t need to pass a test to receive human rights.

        You turn the timer on its head and call the kettle black. Like I said it doesn’t matter who. I do not have a party. I cannot add to the list you gave… so I guess I don’t go around making lists of blacks, no matter what their slant.

        One man throws a stone and it comes flying back with a note, ‘Bloody stoner!’ And so he picks it up and tells everyone that so and so is a Bloody Stoner and has the cheek to call him a stoner… and so it goes until most of the stones are worn away, Perhaps you might remember it was the black man who made the trip to the New World in the holds of ships, a slave against all the laws of human decency? Perhaps you might recall it was these same slaves who ran in fear, hid their faces, bowed with words of subservience? You are covered with the slime of racism sir… for what you wish is a return to supremacy and a time when blacks knew their place. Take a good look at what you wrote and ask yourself who the feck you think you are.

      • Michael Lawrence

        I am well aware that the ACLU defends the first amendment. However, an organization that supposedly protects our civil liberties always seems to forget that the second amendment and it’s protections of firearm ownership are part of those civil liberties. If the ACLU is only interested in taking up issues on the first amendment, maybe they should be called the American first amendment liberty union or some such.
        Making lists of blacks…interesting. Are these not prominent people in our society? Are they not people that are in the news or have been lately? I have given examples of people that either promote racism or have been the victim of racism. While all happen to be black individuals it was not my goal to make lists of black people. Obviously, you have missed this point.
        As for not adding POTUS to this “list”…it is a simple thing, he had slipped my mind when I wrote my comment…but since you bring it up. Obama is one of the most blatantly racist people I have ever had knowledge of. He refuses in his book to acknowledge his mother because of his skin color, he rips on the police when they arrest a black college professor….you remember how wrong Obama was on that, it required a “beer summit” to apologize to the cops. And lets skip forward to the Trayvon Martin shooting. Obama and his DOJ with Eric Holder at the helm funded protests in which the New Black Panther Party passed around wanted dead or alive posters offering a reward for George Zimmerman. Interesting how Zimmerman was found innocent despite Trayvon looking like Obama’s son and the DOJ funding wanted dead or alive posters. Happy now?
        Perhaps you might remember that it was other blacks in Africa that made slaves of other blacks in Africa during tribal war and sold them to the slave ship owners who sometimes also black. Perhaps your common core history book does not get into history that much. The first slave owner in America, well, the colonies actually….was a black man. Pretty sure that was omitted from your common core history lessons. This man’s name is Anthony Johnson…maybe you can find a good Wikipedia article to read….your know, the source that is more correct and less misleading than common core. Perhaps you might also remember that it was a Republican president that ended slavery….there was a war and everything. I bring this up simply because you can say that you don’t have a party and you may not actually be a Democrat, but your writing and points you make definitely point to the left.
        As for throwing stones, when it comes to slavery my family is completely sin free of that. None of my family, mother’s side and father’s side did not arrive from various parts of the UK until around 1900 or shortly after….35-40 years after slavery ended. I do not wish for a return to a time “of supremacy and a time when blacks knew their place”. If racism is to end, then all need to end it. I simply point out that the majority of racism comes from blacks, not whites. I call it out and challenge those of the black race to end it. I also issue this challenge to all races. It is the likes of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson…and since you made the point of me not including POTUS on the previous list….yep, I will add him to keep you happy…so….and Barrack Obama. I think that you should also remember that disagreement with Obama’s polices or a law he signed is not racism.

      • Barry

        ‘es indeed, racism is alive and well…how many times have black
        conservatives been disparaged by those on the left because they don’t
        conform to what is expected of someone of their race? I feel bad for Tim
        Scott, Allen West, Condoleesa Rice, and Dr. Ben Carson. Every time
        these people are in the news or in the public eye, they are ripped on by
        the left. Most of’

        Your list… to me they are a list of hateful bigots. But to you they are a list of blacks.

        You cannot contain your hatred of POTUS. Imagine disparaging the man without a shred of evidence regarding his mother’s skin? ‘And my fellow Americans I wish you to be assured I dislike my mother’s skin.’ Oh yeah… and you elected this man twice? How could you? How can you settle to sleep at night knowing such a maternal-dermal deviant leads your nation. And he suckled from her as a child! OMG the shame of it all.

        I am honestly enjoying listening to your dithering remarks. Every time you open your mouth a bigot crawls out. Different strokes right? You are a gang of ineffective, bigoted, hateful people who for some reason think you know something the rest of the world is ignorant about.

        Good luck with that.

      • Michael Lawrence

        Well, Barry…as for a shred of evidence concerning Obama’s mother’s skin color…..

        “I
        ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of twelve or thirteen,
        when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to
        whites”

        This is a direct quote lifted from Obama’s book, Dreams From My Father. Why would Obama cease to advertise his mother’s race if was proud of her skin color? How do you explain this quote? How does that fit in with your opinions of Obama? You, Barry, are a low information voter. You do not seek out information about the candidate you voted for. You do not seek out information about their voting records. Do you know that Obama as a state senator in Illinois voted present on almost 95% of votes he cast? Not yes or now, but he voted that he was in the state senate chamber. You did not seek information on understanding how Obama’s policies he put forth as his presidential platform in 2008 would effect the nation, you simply listened to the rhetoric his campaign put out. You simply followed like the good sheep you are. As it turns out every thing that was predicted about his policies is coming true. It was predicted that Obamacare would be a disaster causing job loss or cuts to hours (that happened), people would lose their insurance coverage (that happened), premiums and deductibles would increase (that happened), and would cost far more than estimated (Yep, also happening). George W. Bush and Mitt Romney predicted that if our troops were removed from Iraq prematurely it would create a power vacuum and destabilize Iraq. Iraq was not ready to defend itself and would lead to take over by Al Qaeda or other terror organizations (I think even MSNBC is covering the ISIS invasion of Iraq, so um….yep, this is happening). Sarah Palin predicted that President Putin would order the invasion of Ukraine if Obama was elected president. She based her prediction upon Senator Obama’s reaction the Russian invasion of Georgia in 2008. (In light of the Russian soldiers now holding Crimea, which until annexed by Russia earlier this year, was part of Ukraine…so again, this happened). I don’t disparage Barrack Obama because of his skin color, I disparage him because he is an inexperienced community organizer that has been elected to be the President of the US. This is a job for which he was not prepared for. He does not understand foreign policy and has mucked up most of what he has tried. He does not listen to the people that understand the situations better than he does. He surrounds himself with sycophants, a cult of personality. The agree with him or support him blindly. They tell him what he wants to hear, not what he needs to hear. America is suffering the consequences of an unprepared community organizer being our president. The world does not respect America anymore, the world does not trust America now. Much of the world sees Obama as a laughingstock. There are parade floats from Carnivale that make fun of Obama making him a caricature. In Europe the laugh at him and make jokes about him. I have been to Europe while Obama is serving as our president….many call him a silly man or stupid. They ask questions like…why has he abandoned America’s allies? How can we trust him?
        Barry, disagreeing with Obama’s policies or the laws he helped to create does not make someone a racist or a bigot. Of course, those on the left, that’s not the case. Because Obama identifies as black, to liberals, if I disagree with him I am considered racist.
        Now to the list of conservatives…yes, they are black. So what? You brought up the point of racism. I gave you examples of racism directed at the black conservatives that I had mentioned. They are disparaged racially by the left.. mostly by their own race….also as I pointed out earlier.
        As to your claim that these individuals are hateful bigots, do you have any proof, any shred of evidence to prove that? any links to articles, news stories of their hate or bigotry? My guess is that you only have your own hot air to back up your claims.

      • Barry

        After scanning your novella I admit to being a lazy voter and to not knowing every in and out nor this or that. I think you miss the point of discussions, debates if you wish.

        I cannot walk in the skin of a mulatto, know those pressures (which apparently can be felt from both sides). When I was a kid I lived in Hawaii, mid 1950s. We were fortunate to have a place on the beach, north side of the island. In those days most of Oahu was inhabited by people brought in to work the farms (and soldiers). Because of our location my trip to school went through miles of sugar cane fields. The school was 3 Quonset huts surrounded by cane. I was the only white person in that school. I got beat up every day by gangs of kids who actually played a game to see who would get the honour of beating up the howlie (means white nigger).

        I lived through it and never held any shame from the colour of my skin… but then it only lasted 4 days until my folks got wind and took me away from that hell. I was 11 years old. You learn things growing up. Some of the things you learn are about the pressures around you, how you will react, what decisions you make, and how these lessons will effect your heart. One of the things I learned is not to be judgmental. This is a double edged sword… how can you call the kettle black and be non judgmental?

        I have been watching our President, taking note of what he does and what he says. We obviously have different opinions, and I suspect would never come closer to an understanding. But there is one thing I would like you to begin to understand about Barack Obama. Well two really. First, he is our President, Commander in Chief, leader of the free world. Back in the ‘Nam days rednecks used to say ‘My country right, my country wrong. My country!’ This was their way of separating the political posturing and massive splits in America. They were saying that no matter what you think do not disparage America. It is our country and deserves our respect. The same is true of Barack Obama. As president he sets himself up for criticism, especially today. Yet he is and will be our president until the next inauguration. He also deserves our respect and our best honouring. Does this mean we must agree with his decisions? Of course not. But nonetheless, he is our leader, elected, inaugurated and lives in the White House. I have gotten pretty good at smelling rats and my nose tells me there is a ton of bigotry being thrown over the fence at the White House. It is thrown by people who do not respect America, do not understand the hurt they cause, or just don’t care. These people feel that they have the freedom to do whatever they wish when the boy in the White House is some lawyer type n@@@r. This is not right. This would not be right were a pauper living on the other side of the fence.

        The other thing I would wish for you to understand is about human character. When a man sees a stranger coming down his driveway, and he brings the shotgun with him to say ‘hello’, this man is a coward. When a man takes his guns to another state to defend the rights of another man, he is also a coward. If those men who went to Nevada had goner without weapons and stood peacefully to state their case, if they had the courage to march in the town, in front of the office… yeah… I might even be able to join them. But these guys took their weapons and deployed. They were sending the message that they had the right to decide for themselves what was legal or not… the law be damned. Think about what that means and what living without the rule of law would mean in your life. Think about having to call some good ole boys with weapons to ‘discuss’ the location of your property line with your neighbor. Think about what these street gangs would mean in your town.

        It’s simple really. If you do not have the balls to stand in front of 100′s of rifles pointed at your head and stand there and defy them because you have a right to free speech, then you do not have the right free speech. If you do not have the respect for the USA necessary to carry the flag to the top of the hill, you are not worthy of calling yourself an American. If you feel it is your right to disparage American institutions because you have a mouth, you do not have the right to call yourself an American.

        There is a fear on the land. I can smell it. It brings hate and divides people. It causes them to gather into groups which feel powerful with weapons until they are alone in the dark. This fear has been with us for a long time… maybe since the Revolution. We used to have a big daddy to tell us how things would be. He would not listen to our needs. Many died. Those who lived put together a nation based on some pretty fine ideals. They, and the nation they formed deserve our respect.

        Sorry… one last word. You cannot find truth in a book. It lives in your heart. You read the bit about Obama’s mom and her white skin and heard him say he decided to keep quiet because he was weak. I heard him bide his time until he took the power over all those numpties and showed them what dignity was all about. In a clear way there is your choice. You can be led by the men who hit on a boy because of his skin colour, or you can be led by the boy who grew up to amazing accomplishments.

    • Jack Bandit

      It astounds me that people who otherwise sounds at least halfway intelligent, can let their personal bias twist their views about groups they don’t like and/or no very little about. Honestly, how much do you know about the Tea Party aside from what you’ve read in biased articles and such? Have you ever actually met anyone in the Tea Party? Ever been to one of their gatherings? They’ve never committed any act of terrorism, never had a deranged lunatic shoot up a place (check the facts-the string of violent shooting in this country have either been anarchists, self-avowed communists or far-left thinkers-which I won’t hold against any of those groups because they were also all mentally disturbed), etc. Despite all of that, you and others seem bound and determined to brand them with that label.
      Has it ever crossed your mind that just maybe your not being entirely fair or rational in your judgment of a rather large group of people? People are going to have different opinions about things; that’s life.
      People who can see a person with a different opinion as a person instead of an enemy worthy of bigotry and gross generalization seem to be in short supply. I mean, you honestly don’t see the hypocrisy in generalizing and stereotyping entire groups of people based on their geography, their skin color or differing political ideology by just calling them all “racist”? Isn’t that the kind of behavior that ACTUAL racists exhibit?

      Furthermore, why is it that people of color are discouraged from being conservative only for the lack of people of color to be used against conservatives as evidence of racism? Seems like a classic case of circular logic. Even worse, the left seems to have no qualms at all with calling black conservatives “oreos”, “Uncle Toms” and the like. Yet, every imagined or hypothetical racial epithet allegedly used by the Tea Party or conservatives is supposed to be taken as common knowledge. It doesn’t matter that leftist plants at conservative gatherings who spew racist garbage are commonly shouted down or asked to leave altogether. It doesn’t matter that left-wing bloggers and journalists were caught red handed in a scheme to shut the opposition up by “just calling them racist” no matter how untrue or how irrelevant a factor race actually was. No, we’re all just a bunch of bible-thumpin’, gun-tottin’, gay-hatin’ racists. That’s the ONLY LOGICAL conclusion, right? I mean the current administration is just that damn good. So good in fact, that the only plausible explanation for any complaints is that they must be racists. I honestly do not expect this comment to even make a dent. I doubt I’ll get a reply and if I do, it will more than likely explain away any inconvenient facts and will give some trivial, asinine, irrelevant or untrue reasoning as to why you’re not wrong in your assessment of conservatives, how they all really are just a bunch of racists and how that isn’t an irrational & hypocritical stance to to take. Whatever. Keep deluding yourself. Society swings on a pendulum and all of that garbage will eventually become a parody that shines a light on just how truly ignorant that way of thinking is.

      • Barry

        You actually didn’t state many if any facts, so I will not be explaining them away. Give you credit though, I have not actually met a teabagger, wouldn’t know how to pick one out of a crowd. So where do I get my opinions about you folks? Rightly or wrongly I examine the behavior and statements of your representatives, senators, state people… you know the quotes and the actions. Being a teabagger is tricky… have you ever written a white paper on your political standings? do you have any sort of statement that says what you are for? I would like to read that. I will tell you that over 90% (guess) of what I read in quotes is negative, anti something or other and outside of parroting the same old worn principles of the Republican Party, there isn’t a scooby of promise in your platform… platform? Your platform seems to be based on vilifying whoever you dislike… that seems to be what you do. You seem to be from the Red states…southerners for the most part, anti abortion… you know the same old same old. We have the republican party for that so why do we need you guys? What do you offer?

        You habitually misinterpret the US Constitution to suit your needs. Why? Are all of you gun totters? What is your view on nuclear arms? What is your foreign policy? What do you think about China? Where is your platform? Since you do not supply your ideology, it is only natural for people like me who think everything you stand for is OTT to pick up what I can here and there. I read lots of nonsense about Obama… that you guys? You Rick Perry? How do you explain Michelle Bachman? Why do you scream bloody murder everytime you lose?

        BTW… your platform is not your platform… it is a reworking of the Republican platform. You need something original… you will never gain seats going the way you are. How about education? What is your belief on education?

        How about protection of the American worker?

        How about paying a living wage? Why is that so bad? It is being done in many countries and their taxes go down, the people are happier and welfare is almost nonexistent.

        Why do you pillory children who have the fear of death put into them and need the welcoming arms of America? Why is that too costly? Why is it too costly to provide healthcare for Americans? Why is it not too costly to spend massive money on defense?

        I believe you are being duped into working as the lackeys of the 1%. They don’t give a feck about your platform… they merely want to make sure they can make loads more money, rape the environment, use employees and do all this with the hip hip of the Tea Party. Tell me why you enable that? Tell me why you believe it is American to enable elitism and massive wealth?

        Tell me why you think the constitution refers to market forces and capitalism? or God for that matter? Tell me why you think the founding fathers were xtians? Let me tell you I can out quote you and out source you so to make your head spin.

        Tell me why it was so easy for me to flush out some of you folks with a little rhetoric? Tell me why you do not ask Blacks why they are not conservatives? They will tell you straight to you face if you can stand the answer.

        Tell me why you do not understand that Bush racked up more debt in 8 years than the entirety of our history? How did he plan to pay for his wars? Tell me why you believe there is anything American about free enterprise which allows the corporate citizens to do just about whatever they please to make money? Tell me what you will feel when an explosion levels your town or a train pollutes your water sources? Tell me what on earth makes you believe free enterprise has anything to do with we the people? Tell me what the Tea Party has done to protect the constitution or to make our flag soar, or to protect America from enemies? Tell me why you need a federal platform to enable grass roots movements? tell me why you consistently equate the people of America with a workforce, production and the factory mindset? Tell me how you have taken big money out of politics? Give me one example of something you did that made even the slightest change? Tell me why big money in govt is not a part of your so called free enterprise system? Tell me why if corporations are people they should not be allowed to invest in govt as a real aspect of their businesses? Tell me how refusing to believe POTUS was legally elected, and accusing him of lying about his qualifications is telling the truth (you know your words are baseless lies)? Again tell me how you need the federal govt to form the basis of local leadership? Explain how America is to compete on the world stage if local leaders are allowed to insist on teaching creationism? Tell me how local leaders will provide for the defense? Raise taxes for the national good? Be involved in national needs for the good of all? Tell me how you will run national prisons, intelligence, issues of state, etc from the back room at the fire station? Tell me… is this really what you are all about? OMG you are being fleeced. Your rights and your country are being stolen from you with your blessings. Well… that should keep you busy awhile.

  • Carl

    Everything about this country sucks. The belief that we have fundamentally differing parties that disagree on more than the rhetoric they spew to keep us separated when they’re all the same person is what creates extremist followers on both sides of aisle. Let it burn, let it fall, because with a median IQ of 100 no one will miss any of us…a garbage country full of garbage politics, garbage people, a fake economy, crumbling infrastructure, no currency power, and a bloated military that hasn’t accomplished one single goal in combat since the second world war…yeah motherfucker, we’re #1. Rome became a gluttonous empire that fought tooth and nail to keep itself relevant long after it needed to die in its [then] current state. ‘Tis no different here. We don’t need no water. Oh and I can still hop on a plane and visit Rome. It didn’t fall into the abyss, it simply went through what it needed to go through. #purgingfire

    • Thom

      Amen. Look no further than the finger-pointing in this comment thread. “It’s your fault!” “No it’s YOUR fault!” Children please, wake the fuck up and then please go fist-fuck yourselves until your brains start working. Rule number one: divide the populous. That’s kindergarten shit. How do you divide them? Irrational emotions, like passion, funneled through fevered egos believing they have it “all figured out” when it’s actually based upon an entirely myth-based structure. The hypocrisy in either [bonkers] camp to call the other “terrorists” is cause for the stupidity alarms to sing the song of a new world order. American Foreign Policy IS terrorism and has been since 1954. You all fund it with a vast percentage of the tax revenue going to mechanisms of death. So…you’re all terrorists. That’s not news to anyone that resides in a society with an emotional collective above that of an 8yr old. America is Lenny from Of Mice and Men, or better yet Dexter. “Killing for good!” Fuck all of you and your inability to know what truly matters and what does not. Killing people is a failure of the human spirit and no one kills like America kills. Your time in the sun has been a blink of an eye in regards to the history of civilisation and soon you’ll be gone and when that happens only the Americans will notice.

      • Embermage

        No one kills like America? Have you looked at the track record of the Former Soviet Union or the current Chinese government?

      • Thom

        Your country was baptised in blood. The Native massacres alone have a +/- variable of 40m. That’s the variable number. That’s also your starting point. Through your adolescent years you had western expansion violence, slavery, and the bloodiest war in your short history. Post-civil war you had tens of thousands of lynchings. You killed nearly 2m in the Philippines, on the words of your then president [McKinley] who said America needed to “humanize and Christianize the people of the Philippines”. You committed a horrendous genocide in Japan, twice in the same week. While blocking democracy and using dictators/rebels/”terrorists” as puppets in the Middle East (1954-present) you can place genocides, civil wars, and sectarian clashes FIRMLY on your plate. You killed tens of thousands to protect French colonialism in Vietnam. You sold the arms used to carry out mass genocide in East Timor to the tune of over 1m dead. In the 80s your “conservative administration” carried out massive war crimes in Central and South America [to which they were found guilty in the World Court] to ensure cheaper fruit. The same administration that sold ALL of the arms Saddam ever used in genocide after genocide. In the 90s your “liberal administration” killed over 1m in Haiti to ensure cheaper sugar. The last two administrations [totaled together] have killed over 1m in Iraq and Afghanistan. As of today your country kills 70ppl/day in drone strikes alone throughout Yemen, Pakistan, and the horn of Africa. You are the leading supplier of arms to Saudi Arabia and strongly support the brutal [daily] killings in Bahrain by way of arms and refusing to acknowledge the brutality of your government’s pals over there. You supplied fringe groups in Egypt, Libya, and Syria [including ones you previously sold as enemies, like Al-Qaeda] with arms to kill ad nauseam. On top of all of this, and many more, you seemed to have missed the point. It should never be argument that some may have killed/be killing more. You’re okay with being [by your logic] in the top 3? No nation is free of violence, but there are countless nations that try to avoid these ends at all costs. NATO makes that more difficult than before but hmmm, who has all the clout when it comes to getting NATO forces into the killing fields??? Oh yeah, America. Look at these fucking comments, mate. “Kill them all!” “Hang ‘em!” And that’s just from the liberals, the other bunch of bastards are just as quick to condemn to death their opponents as well. It’s what you do. America = violence. ALWAYS has, since day fucking one. It’s not your guns, it’s not your movies, it’s not your video games, we have those too…it’s Americans not understanding that and trying to blame something else that justifies or takes the responsibility from the truth. I know that you all haven’t individually carried out these atrocities, as some lie in the past, but there is a massive amount of death your government is dishing out daily around the globe and each and every one of you pays for it, it’s a vast majority of your tax revenue. Both parties are 100% in-line when it comes to your foreign policy too so it’s not a finger pointing game. It’s the population being blind to what is being done in their name outside the border and it’s truly horrific. Ignorance to it does not excuse the participation in it as they can’t do it without your money. Now let’s think, if both parties agree 100% on meddling abroad and giving zero fucks who they kill, what would be the best way to get you all to look the other way??? Maybe if the country was split in half, not over common sense shit either, make it fundamentally ideological [based upon a made up history] and ingrain that into these two very principled groups that go after each-other over whatever their privatised news corps tell them to be upset about [while at the same time blatantly lying about what is happening around the globe]…seems this model is working really well to the rest of us, wish you guys could see it, it might keep you from eventually killing one another. Then again, that IS what you do…

      • Embermage

        “You committed a horrendous genocide in Japan, twice in the same week” Have you ever read the invasion plans for Japan if the bombs hadn’t been used? I have, and they estimated nearly 50% of the population of Japan and over 1 MILLION Allied lives would be killed in the invasion. 2 bombs vs uncounted millions of lives in an invasion is pretty cheap in lives lost.

      • Phil Keast

        For a country so proud of the skill with which its warriors fight, sort seems a bit hypocritical to say “Yeah, we could win, man to man, warrior to warrior, but what the fuck, lets just king hit them without giving them the chance to take to the field of battle.”

      • Thom

        I like that you picked one, just one, out of that whole list as though you not only believe that you can get me to see some validity in that murderer’s logic of yours, but it’s also as if you’re saying that if we take away that one then somehow your country isn’t a villainous monster. Only killers call killing progress. Only killers can justify one genocide over a different genocide. You are defending death on the grounds that it prevented death. That’s lunacy, certifiably insane. You know what else can prevent genocide? Talking. I know the idea of not killing people appears to be lost on you, but you fail in 100% of endeavors untried. The notion that a nuclear device was unleashed for the first time, on an innocent civilian population, simply to PREVENT death is, well, baffling. Talk about the Dexter analogy coming into light. There is no such thing as killing for good or for the right reasons, killing is killing, there’s nothing deeper there. It was a power-play, pure and simple. So many nations were mere months away from having their own and the whole world knew that it was to be a one-and-done thing and whomever dropped one first would be in prime position to lead. It changed the game and the objective was fear. Fear = control. Be the first to establish that power by actually using such a device and the keys are yours. After that one week it was settled. The countries catching up to having nuclear arms knew the implications of using them. It’s lights out, for everyone. It was a power-play, nothing more, nothing less, made by a nation that will easily kill hundreds of thousands simply to prove a point. No one life is worth more than the life of another and no nation is “anointed” to be able to determine that for themselves. Americans teach that America is the best, Americans act like they are better, and its this delusional thinking that allows them to measure lives on a scale of worth…you’ve also been doing that since your nation’s infancy as well, whether it be the hue of one’s skin, where they were born, the quality of life you perceive they have, so on and so on…

      • xxsimmonsxx

        you missed something. those estimates were used to justify the bombs. they were never accurate. you know why the Japanese used kamikaze pilots? did you ever wonder? its because they were running out of material to make bullets. they could no longer manufacture bullets. think about that for just a few minutes before you start quoting nonsense estimates from the bomb makers.

  • Ian C Thoreson

    Disarm the Government. Give me a break.On one hand you all thump your chest about how the US has the best, finest, best equipped, best trained fighting force on the planet…… YET, you think Billy Bob and Scooter and the gang can whoop their ass. That drone you don’t hear/see, may have your name on it. LMAO. Morons.

    • Embermage

      Sir, the military cannot do what you are inferring they can do without martial law being declared in the United States. As for your sneer that a militia could not stand up and fight, seems the afghans, iraqis, and vietmenese did a good job against all that tech. You also have to realize a good percentage of the military is NOT going to obey orders to disarm or fire upon Americans and quite a few that would defect taking that high tech equipment with them. Another bad idea I have seen bandied about is having the National Guard called out. Really? You want to call out Soldiers that live in the area you are trying to get calmed down, and hand them real assault weapons, not the weapons you guys like to pretend are assault weapons and hope they do not go over to the other side?

      • Barry

        On May 4, 1970, National Guard Soldiers called out to calm down a peaceful campus demonstration actually did not go over to the other side and instead shot 67 rounds killing 4 and wounding 9… one of the 9 is still paralyzed. The students were protesting the announced expansion of the war into Cambodia. We were pissed for sure… our friends and brothers were dying for that horrible war. Nixon smelled and we knew it… he may have been the first outright liar. Anyway… have no fear mate… those boys will shoot to kill when they want to.

      • xxsimmonsxx

        they did a good job against all of our technology did they? what was the total death count of americans? whats the total death count of all combatants? something in the neighborhood of hundreds of thousands? our death count is nowhere near that. they lasted a whopping 2 weeks of actually warfare. just what in the hell are you talking about? I do not, however, believe our soldiers would participate in such an event. I think you completely missed the point of his comment.

  • JB

    It’s the other way around. Democrats are the terrorist tyrants. they always have been the iron fisted type. You name it, slavery, high taxes (stealing) and if you disagree with them, it’s like having a monkey at the zoo throwing poop at you. The time is coming when free people will no longer tolerate the trespasses on their rights, lives and property. Let this be my warning to all you liberal democrats, stop messing with us.

    • suburbancuurmudgeon

      Oh PULEEZE. Go learn some history. You benefit from those high taxes. Republicans and Democrats have switched sides. They are no longer what you think they are.

  • CD

    Wow, just wow

  • Danny Mathey

    Call it as you want…Except every! time I see a Tea party group .Or a group of these so? Called Republican Patriots.Why does it look like I’m looking into a glass of MILK ?

    • Gregory Allard

      Mostly cause the left wing media is trying desparately to Make you believe that.

      and have gone so far as to blatantly lie to create racial tensions.

      • xxsimmonsxx

        no its because they are actually mostly white. show me a picture of some black/Mexican/Iraqi/Indian/Egyptian tea party members and I will believe your lies.

  • http://bet.com/ JamalPigSheite

    dis tee party be awl rasim

    • John1966

      Keep it up, moron. The more you cry racism, the more you prove you can’t comprehend any reason why anyone could disagree with your tiny little mind.

      • http://bet.com/ JamalPigSheite

        you mite be rasim to

      • Judith_Priest

        Says the jerkwad who can’t recognize a dimwit troll at 2 paces.

    • Judith_Priest

      This is a really really REALLY dumb white guy, pretending to be a dumb black guy. See the “PigSh**” in his name? Spelled kinda weird so people as dumb as John1966 think it’s real?

      Of course, John1966 falls for it ….

      • http://bet.com/ JamalPigSheite

        you mite be rasism nome sayn

  • Gregory Allard

    Can someone point out to a supporter of Sensible health care reform how hiring Enough new IRS agents to equal like 5x the total Number if ice agents Improves health care?

    the (un)afordable care act was a bill that should of never been tabled Goddess bless those trying to stop it

  • Dora

    It’s called a revolution. There will always be some unwilling to accept the need for change.

  • Skyhollower

    Just shoot Bundy, his clan and his supporters…Why are we wasting our time with this. The man has been breaking the law for decades. Ok maybe shooting them is a bit drastic, so arrest them and send them to that jail in Arizona where they all where pink prison uniforms and sleep in tents.

  • richard

    Let’s just get something straight, there is a huge difference fantasy and reality when it comes to ideations about revolution. A bunch of morbidly obese, under-educated, gun-fetishists who read “Soldier of Fortune” magazine on the toilet and wear plus-size camouflage while spending all their disposable income on tactical gear, optical sights, and enough ammo to fill their single-wides from floor to ceiling and blame the United States government for everything that’s wrong with their lives is NOT exactly a match against the fittest, most well trained and best-equipped fighting force on the planet. Whether they can completely grasp the concept or not, the reality is that there is a lot of SPRINTING, and RUNNING, and crawling and physical deprivation involved as well as being shot at by people who are trained to do one thing, and one thing only…and that is to kill people quickly. Lean and well-equipped Afghanistan warriors who have fought for 400 years are still no match for US military….a bunch of bubbas wheezing and gasping for breath while running for their lives is not quite the same thing.

    It’s halfway through 2014, nobody has come to take my guns, or put me in FEMA camps, or confiscated my 401k, or murder my grandmother with a Death Panel, or sent my kids to reeducation camps, OR TAKEN AWAY MY RIGHTS OR STEPPED MY CONSITUTION….all the things the Tea Party said this government was going to do. The only thing that happened, is that we have a President with a little extra melanin, who just made sure we all had affordable healthcare. You need to have a revolution? You’ll need to fight me too because I happen to love the United States Government…and all my guns look just like the ones the Tea Party likes to brandish.

    • Embermage

      Richard
      Do you have any idea how many former Soldiers are in the militia? I can think of several groups that are made entirely up of Soldiers with combat experience in Iraq and Afghanistan and FULLY versed in fighting a guerilla war. And they are not middle aged wheezy guys, try 24-35 years old. You make assumptions without knowing all the facts.

      • xxsimmonsxx

        oh ok. so former soldiers are actively fighting for a force of people who want to take over the US Government? sounds like a crime to me. Sedition perhaps? maybe Treason.

  • Mark Potter

    no democrat in todays society is putting out good llaws that helps people. For example, afordable care act is a joke. Making it hard for people keeping their insurance bc of aca. Congress making laws to protect their status and wealth,but take away from other people. Trust me im a vet yet i cant get proper treatment bc there is no funds to give making it to the point where vets cant benefits they need. It makes me sick to my stomach, i wish they would go through a hard deployment where your life is threatened everyday. Our government needs some changes and improvements. whatecer happened to we the people for the people by the people and rights that our fore fathers fought for. i bet if they were still alive today they woukd be disappointed on the way our government has become.

  • Eddie Krebbs

    Agree that the Tea Party has become a terrorist group (and would add racist , overlap with white supremacist / KKK, etc.) – everything from holding Congress Hostage (where compromise means “my way or no way”) to showing up for armed conflict in Nevada to urging that their state leave the union (examples such as WI and TX). Only weakness is that there is no single membership role for the Tea Party and a seemingly limitless number of overlapping variants so as to make it impossible to differentiate from the non-terrorist person who just wears a tri-cornered hat to the city park to the groups which actively shows up, firearm in hand, to defy federal agents.

  • John1966

    A dose of healthy cynicism of government is what makes America the shining beacon of freedom that it is. You liberals’ love of government is suicide. Emigrate to Uganda or Venezuela where your misguided utopia is on full display. I love to watch your heads spin as you contemplate the doom that would be caused by anything from a cattle stand-off to the dismantling of Obamacare. And the more you panic, the more rational people like the tea-partiers will rise up to strip you of your corrupt power grabs. It’s YOUR liberalism-gone-wild that created the tea party. Better brace yourself for the tea party sweep of the 2014 midterms. Better enjoy your Obamacare tyranny now, because it’s not going to last past inauguration day of the next president.

    • Phil Keast

      There are 26 first world countries, most of them democracies, with state sponsored universal health care, freedom of speech, right to assembly, each and every one of the rights you claim to be the sole arbitor and originator of, and rights that the USA doesn’t even recognise, and we haven’t died out, nor are we ruled by tyrannical, dictatorial despots, but by democratically elected representative parliamentary systems.

      The things the right, and the left, are so afraid of are working quite well in the rest of the world, why and how would they somehow lead to the doom of the USA?

      America lost the high moral ground as the shining beacon of freedom a long time ago, its just that few within the USA are willing to look beyond the borders of the USA to notice.

    • Judith_Priest

      WHAT “Obama Tyranny” is that??

      • strayaway

        We could start with a land management agency managing land that probably should belong to Nevada and using its militarized SWAT team, snipers, and armored vehicles to intimidate someone involved in a legal dispute with the government so that land can be rented to a Chinese firm associated with the Reid clan. Remember when another armored vehicle played a role in incinerating 68 people when they could have just grabbed Koresh on one of his visits to town? Local police could just as easily arrested Bundy when he showed up at the feed mill. Some of us still consider such actions reminiscent of the Pinkertons being used to defeat union miners. Now its a Chinese company instead of Peabody coal and a praetorian guard military unit instead of Pinkertons.

  • Victor Jacinto Cano

    As the right wing hate media whips up the teatard militia goons it’s just time before another Timothy McVay is hatched, Mark my words, it”s only a matter of time before these crazies listening to Faux news blow hards like Sean Hannity and Huckster Huckabee stir up the pot of “patriot” wann’a’bes with there assault weapons who put their women and children in the front..Cowards all!

    • xxsimmonsxx

      everyone of these people is Timothy McVay. we just happen to tolerate it more than we used to. the media has actually made that lifestyle something people actually look up to. the fools.

  • rossbro

    Jail him. Take the cattle. Sell his land to pay past due fees.

  • HANIBAL

    I say JUST drop incendiary Bombs on all those Ranchers and trouble makers BURN THEM ALL TO HELL.

    • Judith_Priest

      Nope. Knock off the drama, Mr. Bloodthirsty!

      Don’t make martyrs of them. Just make this idiot Pay Up.

      That’s all. I’m tired of wealthy Takers and Moochers. They bother me a LOT more than poor folks maybe misusing an EBT card now and then.

      Neither are right, but the poor guy at least has a good *excuse*.

      Clevin’s only excuse is He Thinks He’s a God-Being Who Doesn’t Have to Follow the Rules Mere MORTALS Follow.

      Eff him, and the rest of the Pee Potty.

  • pixeloid

    “I think it’s time to put hyperbole aside and get real for a moment.”

    It’s not hyperbole. Most of us really DO consider the Teabirchers to be terrorists and this latest attempt to spark a civil war proves that once again.

    • xxsimmonsxx

      They claim to fight for the constitution. The Constitution defines two crimes. Treason and Sedition. Everyone of these teabag freaks is guilty of Sedition, as defined by the constitution.

  • Robyn Ryan

    Affluenza epidemic of 2014. The Great American Plague.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/WetlandsRemediation Cowpox

    And your point?
    The law has declared animal activism a terroristic act.
    Coward, you’re scared of BAMBI.

  • William Lou Jenkins

    sounds to me like you are a liberal i dont care about AMENDMENT FREEDOM OF SPEECH and rather than demonize Cliven Bundy whos “family” has had grazing rights to that land since 1896. and you had better go read the decleration of independence moron which says in part…we hold these truths to be self evident that alll men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these rights are the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and that to “SECURE” these rights governments are instituted among men deriving their just power from the “CONSENT” of the governed, but when the government envinces a plan to “REDUCE” them under an absolute despotism it is their “RIGHT”, it is their “DUTY” to throw off such government and institute new government, laying its foundation upon and organizing its powers so as to best secure the blessings of liberty to themselves and their posterity…this government for far to long has ignored, disregarded, and outright trampled upon every “RIGHT” guaranteed in the bill of rights and yes they have and heres why as soon as the government starts putting “requirements” you need to meet before you can exercise a right, it by definition ceases to be a right and has instead been “reduced” to a privilage. i believe the government has more pressing issues to deal with with respect to this country than whether or not Mr. Bundy’s cattle may or may not have “illegally” grazed on federally held “PUBLIC” land.

    since you seem to think your intelligent please inform me where in the Constitution for the United States of America it says the federal government has the authority to FORCE me to do anything i dont want to do? i can tell that you know absolutely nothing about nothing obama care is a violation of the 13th amendment which says…..”Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.” “INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE” means against ones own free will, passing a law that is “mandatory” meaning i dont have a choice is a violation of that amendment period end of story, the founding documents mean exactly what they mean, they are not open to “interpretation” and you are obviously one of those who believes in freedom of speech for you but not for those who would disagree with you right ASSHOLE ! p.s. if i ever run into you somewhere you will receive a solid ass whoopin ignorant uninformed sissy ass motherfucker.

    • Nick Wride

      You MUST be an ignorant, uneducated conservative. Where in the hell did you learn how to write and spell? Just to correct ONE of your MANY mistakes, it’s the Declaration of Independence.

  • Jess

    Imagine if it were American socialists like Bernie Sanders demanding that he be allowed to graze his cattle on public lands for free… The right wing would be demanding the land be sold to the highest bidder effective immediately.

  • MHoskinson

    American Progressives have more in common with terrorists than Tea Party patriots ever will; this country will never be safe or sound until we rid ourselves of the disease of Progressivism.

    • Nick Wride

      Are you really that fucking stupid? The true cancer in this country is conservatism that wants to return to the 1950′s that only existed on TV and in your wet dreams.

      • MHoskinson

        HAH !! it might be helping for you and your poor vocabulary to return to the 1950s and have your mouth washed out with soap !! What’s your Mom’s #, i’ll call and see how she feels about it ?

  • GestapoKitteh

    What I personally find hilarious about this comment section, and the article, is that the same people who are condemning the people in Nevada for standing up to the Government for a guy who didn’t pay his ridiculous fees, are the same people who live in, and follow all the laws of, a country founding by doing the exact same thing.

    • Rodney McNeely

      Yeah, they didn’t want King Georgie telling them what to do, so the best possible solution was to jump ship, find a new continent, then systematically slaughter the people living there until they couldn’t fight anymore, steal their resources, and build their own nation right over the bones of the old. Because – you know – freedom and justice and all that.

  • Donna

    All you people so far up his ass will sooner or later smell the stink. He’s a shitting dictator. Are you people deaf,dumb and blind.How in the hell can you call taking God out of everything,not letting the soldiers carry Bibles or talk about their faith,but slimy Obama will send a Muslim in to talk to them,trying to get rid of the flag,. making a joke out of the constitution which millions shed their blood for.,What the hell are you people some kind of freaks.You want a communist country go find one.America is the land of the free,and the PRICK is trying to change it,but if you want what Obama wants keep your head up his ass and all of a sudden you’ll smell the stink,unless you like it. Pdersonaly I don’t

    • Nick Wride

      Fuck you and your god bullshit. Your murderous hateful god is not the only god worshipped in this world. You ignorant haters need to get your own heads out of your well used asses and stop hating and lying in the name of Jeebus.

  • Spencer

    Except it wasn’t “Federal” land, it was state land. The state did not agree with the Federal government moving such action. If there truely is such a thing as “federal” land, then it does belong to Bundy, just the same as it belongs to me, because realistically, we bought it. We gotta remember, we are the boss of the government, and not the other way around.

  • LarryBo

    It is too bad that Allen Clifton is a Texan. He loves an all powerful government. He has a warped view of life and economics. Hopefully when he grows up, his views will change. Where did he get the idea that Bundy and his supporters were using women as human shields? He made it all up.

  • http://www.agenceelysium.com/ Saga Gemini

    Backward Regressives, sounds better.

  • MJ

    Come on.. people who don’t agree with with the crap the left spews have been labeled as racist, liars, hate mongers,against women, and now terrorist. I guess using name calling and fear tactics is your last resort.

    • aspromised

      What is some of “the crap the left spews”? What do you consider spewed crap?

      • strayaway

        “Under the reform we seek, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your private health insurance plan, you can keep your plan. Period.”

        “I promise an open and transparent Government”

        “I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank. ”

        etc..

    • Nick Wride

      You ignorant fool, the right wingnutters use name calling and fear tactics every day. And why don’t you go back to the 3rd grade and learn how to write?

    • Rodney McNeely

      It’s not an ad hominem attack. It’s a description of the suspect.

  • Ronald T. Jones

    If that rancher and his idiot supporters get shot to hell I wouldn’t have an iota of sympathy. I’m a hard working American who pays his taxes! This rancher is a lousy freeloader who’s been mooching off the government by allowing his cattle to graze on government land. Those bastards who call for endangering women and children to make the government look bad deserve a bullet. They are the scum of the Earth and if they dare raise their guns in the direction of a Federal authority, I won’t shed a single tear if these reactionaries’ heads are turned to meat batter by a hail of bullets. Yeah! I said it! !$@$ that rancher!

    • kyle

      The problem here is that it was never the government’s to take. That land had been in his family for nearly 2 centuries. When the BLM was formed they then seized the land and stated that he could continue to use the now public land if he paid them a yearly fee to graze. The BLM never had the authority to take the land or charge fees on the land. The government never bothered to try to collect the fees until now, because Harry Reid sold the property illegally to a Chinese power company, and they are using this unpaid taxes nonsense as an excuse to rid the land so they can develop it. If he paid the fees, the land would disappear. It’s not public land, it’s been private land for hundreds of years. The difference is that Bundy actually owned the land, and the government seized it and claims that it’s theirs. The police beat a pregnant woman already, she was just standing there. This is police abuse, not moochers.

  • jim

    Actually, I use to make fun of the “tinfoil hat” people too. Then we all found out that the “tinfoil hat” people were actually right. The government is monitoring us all!

    So do I think now the government is big evil bully that lies and doesn’t care about our constitutional rights…..sure do. We can thank Snowden for opening our eyes to the governments overreach. Please don’t say this is protecting us either. You know what would protect us from drug dealers is the governments right to randomly search any house they want. Same thing you just don’t feel inconvenienced by the government seizing everything electronic.

    No I am not anarchist but I think there needs to be oversight otherwise governments think that we are here to serve them. Governments are to serve and protect the people not be our parent.

  • Kyle

    This was one of the most perfect examples of police state abuse executed by our country. The BLM was completely in the wrong, the family had used that land for well over 150 years, long before the government seized it for its own accord. Harry Reid then secretly sold the land rights to a Chinese Energy company, and was using the unpaid taxes and fines as an excuse to clear the land of the people to make way for corporate ownership. The police tazed innocent people, beat a pregnant woman, held snipers on all protesters, and even removed 1st Amendment rights from the people on public land except to a small area. You have made it clear that you don’t like guns in previous articles, but this is the perfect example of why we must still retain gun rights, without the threat of force, the government would roll right over anyone that stands in their way. The 2nd amendment is there to protect to us should our military somehow fail, and to give us a chance to fight back should a tyrannical government turn on us, the people. This was about standing up to an abuse police-state, and it was a success. You need to be able to stand back and look at the situation from a completely unbiased view, and unfortunately you have the habit of lumping everything you dislike into a Teaparty bag and bashing it (not defending TeaParty here, fuck those guys) but this wasn’t a TeaParty agenda, this was a people being abused by the government agenda.

  • fairness_rules

    I’ll bet he doesn’t file or pay federal income taxes either, and that is a much more serious crime!

  • NudaWaya

    It’s that talked about as the relative or friend that seems better left in the attic, syndrome in this piece.
    So the Tea-Party is now a ‘terrorist’ organization according to the Progressives, really? I know from debating so very many of yo…u paid Progressive shills that context, connotation and even English is all quite beyond your grasp. You tend to brand and rebrand every word to fit into your agenda.
    Terrorist-
    1. a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism.
    2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others.
    3. (formerly) a member of a political group in Russia aiming at the demoralization of the government by terror.
    4. an agent or partisan of the revolutionary tribunal during the Reign of Terror in France.
    (adjective)
    5. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of terrorism or terrorists: terrorist tactics.

    The ‘tactic’ is directed at non-combatants so I didn’t see any unarmed BLM out there at the ranch did you Progressives? No actions of a terrorist nature occurred as everything was right out in the open. They were breaking the law by stealing cattle and they were asked to leave with armed force as a defense. How is anything done at this incident in any way equated in your little pea-brains as terrorism? Also, why are you singling out the Tea- Party on this? Do you know for a fact that anyone there was Tea-Party? Do you?

    Simply because you use a word that you don’t know the definition of, does not automatically make the person you’re branding, that which you claim. See, I call you ‘ignoranuses’ all the time because your actions are both ignorant and those of asses. Yet I hardly think any of you, I call this term, are actually drooling, uneducated, sphinctered rectums, typing on key boards. How could you manage to type without fingers?

    You Liberals need to pay heed here, we Conservatives are being branded or labeled, last I heard you don’t like cattle being branded and you sure hate labels or is this okay with you?

    So you understand, once they get done with us ‘freedom fighters’ and ‘Patriots’ some portion of your ideology will be branded ‘too Conservative’ and they will be the next ‘terrorist’ that the Progressives need to be ‘honest’ about.
    This is just Berlin 1938 all over again.

    • xxsimmonsxx

      yes but,

      If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place
      subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow,
      put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States,
      or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority
      thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any
      law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any
      property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they
      shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty
      years, or both.

  • joe smith

    Progressive Liberals are a cancer.

  • Beaten-down And Apathetic

    Screw ths Constitution. I say let the government micro-manage every part of your life, down to forbidding parents to send a packed lunch to school with their kids or risk being fined. A nanny state is a caring state. They know best, comrades!

  • Patrick

    The govt is definitely a terrorist organization. Every action by the govt is based on the use of force.

    ter·ror·ism [ter-uh-riz-uhm]
    noun
    1.
    the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

  • Kevin Harjamaki

    The whole group arming themselves against the government should be treated as what they are. A terrorist threat. Cliven Bundy should be arrested, and so should anyone who interferes with the legal action of arresting him. He’ll get his day in court, and so will his followers who interfere.

  • Stuart Hartman

    I have news for these anti govt folks………If there is no Federal Govt, then there is NO 2nd Amendment!

    • Maryland Girl

      We aren’t anti government. If your going to open your mouth, then at least know what you’re talking about.

      We are anti-corruption!

    • Angi Bryan

      It’s all in the telling of it.. this article claims tea partiers are anti-goverment.. but the author has NO CLUE what he’s talking about. Like Maryland Girl said, it’s not anti-government, it’s anti-corruption and that includes politicians on BOTH sides of the aisle. ALL that the Tea Party wants to do is rid our government of corruption. The Tea Party have been targeted by the MSM.. which is controlled completely by corrupt corporations in bed with corrupt politicians.. and they blatantly lie about the Tea Party’s goals in an attempt to discredit them…. BECAUSE the Tea Party reveal their corruption. Only, unless you’re looking for it you’ll never hear or see it because it gets twisted by the media and pieces of crap articles like this. Stop believing every op-ed, article, news report you hear, read or see.. and go look at some source documentation. DO your own research.. not opinion pieces, but verifiable facts. Our government it SO rife with corruption. The people really need to stop pointing fingers at each other and start questioning the intent of the politicians. We need to clean house in DC.. that includes BOTH parties.

  • James Hittler

    This article is trash !

  • CrapsDealer

    Why Clive Bundy isn’t WRONG.

    There have been a lot of people criticizing Clive Bundy because he did not pay his grazing fees for 20 years. The public is also probably wondering why so many other cowboys are supporting Mr. Bundy even though they paid their fees and Clive did not. What you people probably do not realize is that on every rancher’s grazing permit it says the following: “You are authorized to make grazing use of the lands, under the jurisdiction of the Bureau of Land Management and covered by this grazing permit, upon your acceptance of the terms and conditions of this grazing permit and payment of grazing fees when due.” The “mandatory” terms and conditions go on to list the allotment, the number and kind of livestock to be grazed, when the permit begins and ends, the number of active or suspended AUMs (animal units per month), etc. The terms and conditions also list specific requirements such as where salt or mineral supplements can be located, maximum allowable use of forage levels (40% of annual growth), etc., and include a lot more stringent policies that must be adhered to. Every rancher must sign this “contract” agreeing to abide by the TERMS AND CONDITIONS before he or she can make payment. In the early 90s, the BLM went on a frenzy and drastically cut almost every rancher’s permit because of this desert tortoise issue, even though all of us ranchers knew that cow and desert tortoise had co-existed for a hundred+ years. As an example, a family friend had his permit cut by 90%. For those of you who are non ranchers, that would be equated to getting your paycheck cut 90%. In 1976 there were approximately 52 ranching permittees in this area of Nevada. Presently, there are 3. Most of these people lost their livelihoods because of the actions of the BLM. Clive Bundy was one of these people who received extremely unfair and unreasonable TERMS AND CONDITIONS. Keep in mind that Mr. Bundy was required to sign this contract before he was allowed to pay. Had Clive signed on the dotted line, he would have, in essence, signed his very livelihood away. And so Mr. Bundy took a stand, not only for himself, but for all of us. He refused to be destroyed by a tyrannical federal entity and to have his American liberties and freedoms taken away. Also keep in mind that all ranchers financially paid dearly for the forage rights those permits allow – - not rights to the land, but rights to use the forage that grows on that land. Many of these AUMS are water based, meaning that the rancher also has a vested right (state owned, not federal) to the waters that adjoin the lands and allow the livestock to drink. These water rights were also purchased at a great price. If a rancher cannot show beneficial use of the water (he must have the appropriate number of livestock that drinks and uses that water), then he loses that water right. Usually water rights and forage rights go hand in hand. Contrary to what the BLM is telling you, they NEVER compensate a rancher for the AUMs they take away. Most times, they tell ranchers that their AUMS are “suspended,” but not removed. Unfortunately, my family has thousands of “suspended” AUMs that will probably never be returned. And so, even though these ranchers throughout the course of a hundred years invested thousands(and perhaps millions) of dollars and sacrificed along the way to obtain these rights through purchase from others, at a whim the government can take everything away with the stroke of a pen. This is the very thing that Clive Bundy single-handedly took a stand against. Thank you, Clive, from a rancher who considers you a hero.

    -Kena Lytle Gloeckner

    The Modern American Revolution -BB

  • https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmkEmTv-0m_V87F_4onFLDg/about say no to Democide

    For granted, I’ll take some articles like this for a grain of salt. This is total bias. Of coarse, there will be some not-so-good people in a movement (Bill Ayers & communist revolutionaries, for example), yet, that doesn’t mean that everyone is bad. Sure, I don’t approve the tea party, yet, does that mean I have to stretch the truth? No. P.S; I support LGBT rights.

  • immykal

    You are a fucking DIMWIT

  • Anonymous

    This whole article is BS !

  • Mary

    Our Founding Fathers were also considered “terrorists” so I don’t think this is anything to get too whipped up about. The party isn’t racially biased. The Tea Party leaders I know are responsible, respectful, thoughtful, conscientious…. They’re not the bunch of radical nut jobs the Left would like us to believe they are. Sure, they have their radical element, but no more than any other political party. They challenge the status quo and jeopardize both of the two main parties, perhaps not to the extent that they want, but it’s clearly enough to raise alarms. Good for them.

  • Juan Ochoa

    Wouldn’t they have to like, commit terrorist actions to be labeled as such? In my opinion, you’d at most get to call them seditious.
    sedition
    sɪˈdɪʃ(ə)n/
    noun
    1.
    conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.

    • xxsimmonsxx

      If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place
      subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow,
      put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States,
      or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority
      thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any
      law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any
      property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they
      shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty
      years, or both.

      • prsmith

        Sounds unconstitutional to me. Sounds unpatriotic too.

  • Angi Bryan

    Unsourced, Unverified, Unbelievable.. pure speculation and lies. What a delusional article. Who said ANYTHING about using women for human shields.. no one was forced to show up in Nevada.. it just so happened that women wanted to be there. Are you implying that women don’t also have a voice and a will to stand up for what they believe in? Should the women have stayed home ..barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, maybe? Oh! Like maybe women should not be in possible combative situations? Is that what this article is driving at? And, Hate? What Hate… conservatives hate anyone who is not a white male? WOW.. that really doesn’t hold true at all.. how do you explain conservative’s support for Allen West, Dr. Ben Carson, Condoleezza Rice, Michelle Malkin, Sarah Palin, just to name a few non white-male individuals that conservatives not only support but commend. The Tea Party are NOT terrorists.. all that they really want is an informed populace, properly vetted political candidates and smaller less intrusive government. I’m getting a bit sick of how much government has managed to work its way into my everyday life over the last 4 years. It’s killed my business, decreased jobs in my area, cost our household much needed medical treatment that was available to us just less than a year ago, audited our taxes and held our returns.. we’re still waiting for reasons and justification for that.. groceries now cost twice as much as they did 5 years ago, if not more.. gas has been consistently over $3/gal for over 5 years, sometime almost $4. We’ve gone from being able to save a bit of our income each week for almost 8 years consistently to having gone through all our savings to make ends meet in the last 3 years.. soon we won’t even be able to make it through the week because our savings will be gone. AND.. I’m so glad my kids have all graduated because what’s going on in our public schools is utterly ridiculous. Progress my ass.. all that I’ve seen going on in the last 5 years is regress. And, for speaking out, I get called a racist? I’ve lived with a black man for the last 12 years… race has NEVER been an issue in our household ..but lately we both find ourselves talking about it a few times a week these days.. not against each other, but just in general. It’s a topic I have no fear talking about because I’m up front and honest and yet I get called a racist.. by people who don’t even know me.. I guess because I couldn’t possibly have any other valid argument against anything going on right now.. smdh. It’s pieces like this article that perpetuate the divide.. keep the people at each others throats. The author should be ashamed of himself. This is so full of hate and lies. It’s as if it was the authors intention was to instigate a fight.

  • you people are sad

    Typical liberal hate mongering. Multiple claims of racism, and completely devoid of and journalistic facts. It actually depressed me to read this trash… Even more depressing still is reading the comment of you individuals trying to defend this trash

  • BidenisaTool

    Wow.. have to go to the doctor after that massive stretch? Sheesh!

  • Barry

    If on the one hand a person wishes to own weapons designed to kill lots of people, and you can find justification for that in the law (Constitution), so be it. If on the other hand you believe lands part of the Federal lands it is given exclusive authority over by that same law (Constitution), tough shite!! The law is the law and if the law needs changing there are ways. Proper ways. Peaceful ways. Surely it would be better to use these ways then it is to bomb federal offices and intimidate the good people who work for all of us.

    • prsmith

      I see nothing in the Constitution that forbids it, Barry, therefore it is Constitutional.

  • Joseph Bailey

    Why is race always a part of everything for you stupid progressives? By the logic used in this story, the signers of the declaration of independence would be terrorist as well.

    • Angi Bryan

      Yes, Joseph.. they try to teach history that way… That our founding fathers were terrorists and the act of dumping tea into that Boston harbor was an act of terrorism.

  • austin

    Is this article serious?? We try to destroy the country and use women as human shields?? Are you fucking serious??? No, we don’t agree with 35% taxes on the middle class and having our gun ripped from our hands at gunpoint. That’s not a horrible idea and if you pee brain liberals need a history lesson taxes and forceful removal of firearms sparked the first American revolution. So your saying the founding fathers are really just terrorist? The last and only government to call them terrorist was the government trying to kill them. Maybe people should use there head and connect the fucking dots.

  • Erick Blair

    This far, far left hate. It’s evil and must be ridiculed and fought at all costs. The whole screed is fantasy and make believe. It’s frightening how unconnected to reality this is, it’s right out of Red China or the Soviet Union. This is a reprehensible rant. What do you losers want? Dear Leader Soetoro for life? Is Stalin your dream model for a master?

  • Robert Schmid

    Oh, please. Can we please drop this “terrorist” crap? They are little more than a loose band of dumb thugs. Quit fabricating new reasons to keep Homeland Security in tax dollars. It’s time to be the land of the Free and home of the BRAVE again instead of the land of the fearful and home of the insecure.

  • Logan

    This is one of the most asinine articles I have had the displeasure of reading in a while, and there have been some doozies. The definition of terrorism is “the use or threats of violence to achieve political, ideological, or religious objectives”. Were the protestors pointing guns at anyone and threatening to shoot? Oh wait…that’s right. But you won’t hear about that from the corporate presstitutes.

  • Gregg Benghazi Cummings

    this has to be the most IGNORANT piece written in the last 10 years. Horribly misguided and outright lies by this author.

  • Mike Rivero

    there were and are good arguments that *portions* of the CRA were not constitutional because they went beyond enumerated or implied powers given to Congress.
    What the Left’s analysis reduced to was “it is socially and politically right, therefore, it is Constitutional.”
    Most liberals think the federal government can do anything it wants unless prohibited by the Constitution, when, if they read it, they’d learn that the opposite is more close to the truth.
    Watching the left call people who don’t engage in violence “terrorists” not so long after Leftist revolutions killed tens of millions is pretty amazing. You idiots would be out burning books and sending people to camps if given absolute power.
    Which is why the smart, and truly liberal lean libertarian, not liberal, and why the wise will appreciate that the struggle is not between left and right so much as state-terror and tyranny and individual liberty.

  • AlThompson

    Everyone who writes for this commie rag should be taken out and euthanized. Everyone who subscribes to this commie rag should be taken out and sterilized. Everyone who thinks this commie rag is a POS should be taken out and canonized! Guess you can call ME “Saint Al” ! LOL!

  • Michael Bush

    REFER to the aggregate as teahadists

  • Mike Megois

    This “domestic terrorist” would be the first to lay down his life to protect the liberty and freedom of leftists if they were the target of an oppressive regime!
    Democrat or Republican, a tyrant is a tyrant!!!
    Democrats, liberals, progressives, and the like- the militia would, without question, without hesitation, fight and die to protect you and all Americans from all enemies foreign and domestic!!!!

  • Matt

    I see this website is hankering for a civil war. Keep it up and you might get one.

  • David P.

    Before the author penned this article, did he even check to see if the majority of people who protested were actually TEA Party members or did he jump to conclusions after looking at a picture of events that contained a few Gadsden flags?

    And I am certain that the Crown and Parliament stated that under their self-announced legitimate government the American colonists were also “domestic terrorists”.

    As for the rest of you; congratulations on actually witnessing a valid application of the Second Amendment.

  • Mack

    My forefathers were the original terrorists. They overthrew a government that was:
    –taxing them to death
    –seizing their assault weapons
    –confiscating their property without due process
    –limiting their business opportunities
    –holding them indefinitely without charging them with a crime
    –searching them and their private property without a search warrant

    Sound familiar?

  • sorleyboy

    If you think the Tea Party is dangerous to progressivism, have you heard about the Southern Nationalist movement? Those people are well organized and serious about a free and independent South based on the old traditions of Western Christianity.

  • CarterAlabama

    Bring it Commie/Progressives, same thing . Stay tuned you Communist Bastards there is more to come . Piss us off some more fools.
    We are fed up with your progressive/ communist movement .

  • Pieter

    It seems to me the TEA party are out to save America from the world’s worst terroriste government – the Government of the USA. The government is the world’s most genocidal terrorist organization of modern times and has left killing fields behind in Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt and are currently decimating Syria beyond repair. They were responsible for the killings and war in Ossetia, and are behind events in Ukraine.
    Open up your mind which has been colonized by the evil white plaque, liberalism that threatens to destroy 4 continents.
    Your own government bombed you at 9/11 and Boston, as well as at Sandy Hook.
    Are you justifiably insane in suggesting that legitimate self-defence are acts of terrorism?

  • Peter Gatliff

    The KOCH’s fund theTtea Party from day one and this is well known. But what puts fear in the people that are “informed” , the same family’s that fund the Tea Party/John Birch Society funded the attempted over throw of the US Government in 1933. Finally after years of keep this attempted Coup D’etat from the people, “Bill Moyers” broke the story on PBS Thursday night. Moyers stated FDR had the same problems with the 1% and the Neo Right Wing of the GOP after he made Glass-Steagall and SSI law. As far as I’m concern if you support the Tea Party your a traitor to our Constitution. FYI, Prescott Bush was involved in the attempted Coup .Bush had a son and grandson in the White House. Now everything make sense?

  • Pat Hines

    The 100 year old progressive-fascist experiment is over. It is now an anachronism that is in the process of being purged from the US. True, we have a ways to go, but the right and moral among us will win.

  • aclay777

    THE FOUR (4) corners of this article is all lies, this is the second such article by the communist writer Allen Clifton I have “Investigated” again this is entirely a lie, he can’t show or name a specific group, clearly on the liberal payroll and clearly a fictional writer who is “at large” in the current communist movement, slandering real patriots, a traitor in fact. Those he attacks is the main line of defense that allows his freedom to manufacture such lies as this above, zero truth and all fiction, all negatives and targeting the non-communist movement. I left a few grammatical errors for him to attack so he can claim superiority which I do for those haters of real America and Americans to further show their ignorance and hatred. .

    Allen Clifton a communist columnist

  • Paul Smith

    For over 200 years, we have moved left toward socialist tyranny. There is nothing I would like better than “destroying all the progress we’ve made in this country”. Your ‘progress’ is my ‘regress’.

  • Phat_Aviator

    lots of mental mastrubation here – just F*#k off. I was born free and your group rights don’t trump my individual liberty. Stick and stones may break my bones, my my AR-15 will hurt you.

  • Chris Punches

    Well, no, and shame on you for framing a differing-opinioned political group as ‘terrorists’ to try to generate publications that will fuel government-driven efforts to slap a label on dissident groups so they can use lethal force. Because of evil people like you in journalism people will die.

  • A real Liberal

    Whilst the government’s “intentions” may be good and perhaps even their position may be ‘correct’ [though I have serious doubts], their methods are an abomination and any liberal/progressive supporting such action is more the Fascist terrorist! I’d be willing to bet you would have supported the Waco massacre which need NEVER have happened.

  • Guest

    I have tried to use the down arrow to express my disapproval of a post and can’t seem to. Does anyone know why?

  • Whitey

    And then along came Harry …….

  • Mack

    Ok. Now I see how “tolerance” works in the eyes of progressives. I’ve made 2 posts, and you have decided to restrict my opposing views twice by deleting them. Yup. That’s equality and fairness for all.

    Yay freedom of speech…

    • http://www.redheadedfemme.com/ BB-Mystic

      See here. xkcd DOT com/1357/

      You don’t have the “right” to be an asshole on anyone’s site.

    • Mack

      So, “tolerance” means only one point of view and silencing other points of view that don’t agree with yours?

      That’s “equality and fairness” in any Liberal’s eyes–silence all opposition.

      Does “tolerance” also include unprovoked 3rd grade name-calling, such as the type you displayed?

      Now I see…

  • Barry

    It seems there is some doubt about the Constitutionality of federally ‘owned’ lands within states lines. Is there some good reason this has not been tested before Scotus? Would this not be a preferable method of putting things straight?

    • prsmith

      It has been tested and the feds lost every time but they refuse to acknowledge it.

      • Barry

        I am not familiar here… but… if this were tested in SCOTUS and lost… that would be that… game over!! So what’s the story?

      • prsmith

        My replies aren’t making it.

      • prsmith

        I see, they’re making it but they’re being deleted. Got it.

  • Barry

    Is America dying? I suspect a close examination might show the ideal America never got off the ground… never lived! Ask yourself if you are free? Now freedom is one of those concepts that a lifetime of arguments would never define… so this will be a toughie. Here goes: Do you have any control over whether or not you will be living tomorrow?

    No I do not mean figuratively, I mean literally. Are you free enough to control the basics of your life… can you control if you live or die?

    I know you might jump to an answer but bear with me a little longer. You see the govt. You see the military. You see the power structure. You see the missiles? Where are they? Oh they are there for sure… and there is a power structure attached to their use. Use them and we die. Don’t and we live. Question is do you in any direct way control their use?

    There is no freedom.

  • Eddie

    I’m a socialist and normally almost never defend the Tea Party, but I think there is this mentality that everything is terrorism (domestic or not) but that’s very dangerous because it delegitimizes actual terrorism.

    Are there professional members of the Tea Party that have goals to disrupt how government works as a whole? Of Course! But that’s political corruption and/or ignroance so those guys should be thrown out of office. Are there actual domestic terrorists that also label themselves as part of the Tea Party? once again…Of Course! Those people should be put in jail, but saying the Tea Party in general is domestic terrorism is just like saying all muslims are terrorists. It’s just plain ignorance.

  • dirtybird

    Since when does refusing to pass a budget, lobbying for certain laws, and electing politicians that are hostile to the “president’s” agenda constitute terrorism?

    If the House of Representatives refuses to pass a budget of which the president disapproves, then that is the prerogative of the members of the House of Representatives.

    It is the absolute, unlimited, and irrefutable right of the House of Representatives to refuse to pass a budget. It says so right in the Constitution, which is the supreme law of the Untied States of America.

    Exercising constitutional rights and using the system of checks and balances to oppose the executive branch is NOT terrorism. It’s the American way.

    • Ms_Scotty

      Since when? Since never.

    • JT

      They didn’t refuse to pass a budget. A budget was passed, then the Tea Party tried to force the government to default because they didn’t like that budget.

      The Tea Party stood up and told the nation that if it didn’t do exactly what they wanted, then they would ruin us all. Decent people don’t do that.

  • Jincks013

    If you propose an armed insurrection of a democratically elected government you are not a patriot you are a traitor and I am ashamed I dedicated 8 years of my life to defending your right to be this rock stupid in public.

    • Paul Smith

      Yep, George Washington, John Adams, Ben Franklin and thousands of others patriots were traitors – our government is far more oppressive than was King George. No need for guns however, you might want to review the preamble to the Declaration of Independence, a declaration of secession.

  • Derby

    The argument here is that the Tea Party disregards American law and society, and loves their pet ideology more than America. Ironically, this is the same argument the Tea Party uses to attack Obama and the Liberals.

    This article is made of unhelpful generalization and appeal to emotion, the same errors that have done terrible things in the Tea Party and give this article some basis. It’s no more accurate than the headline, It’s Time to be Honest: Barack Obama Is a Communist Muslim Who Wants To Destroy this Nation.

  • kswann

    Why does the Tea Party look so attractive to skinheads, racists, sexists, homophobes and rape apologists. They all seem to flock to this group. That should tell you something.

  • Charles Vincent

    Nun, wenn die Tea-Party-Terroristen sind, müssen Sie und Ihre ilk die Braunhemden der reich sein heir Clifton.

  • Advocationist

    Ehhhh. I’ll call them a terrorist group when they attack… anyone. I’m no huge fan of a MILLION things about the Tea Party, but the sovereignty thing, and being willing to defend themselves against federal agents? I have YET to see a tea party member “menacing” anyone beyond some rather annoying verbiage now and then. Federal agents and the police however…

    Also, yeah the racist thing re: Bundy? That was a misquote. Again, not a tea party member, and doubt I could ever be mistaken for a supporter. That said Terrorist is a bit inflammatory and by no definition do they qualify. Especially when social activists probably have more in common with them, than the federal government.

  • usmcdan

    So you wish to silence them, take away their voice? Because you disagree with them and they are the lunatics. Sounds narcissistic to me.

  • WFP

    Look, you don’t want to call Muslims terrorists just because “a few” have been, so you’re going to lump the whole Tea Party in with a few folks who’ve taken their 2nd amendment right a bit far? Let’s get real and decide which side of your mouth you’re going to talk out of.

    • Paul Smith

      Religion kills. . .or hadn’t you noticed.

  • Michael Lawrence

    You actually know very little about the Tea Party….Your very opening lines show me this. The very first Tea Party protest of anything was in 2005….2005, wasn’t George W. Bush in office at that time? That protest was against Illegal immigration. The Tea Party is a grassroots organization that really was not organized until 2009 and the passage of the Stimulus bill. This nearly trillion dollar spending bill was felt to be far too expensive and in light of Obama’s statements during his 2008 campaign claiming Bush was UnAmerican for adding 4 trillion dollars to the debt, this bill also seemed very hypocritical. As it turned out, the “shovel ready” jobs that were promised, weren’t that shovel ready. In fact, unemployment went up. Yes, the Tea Party organized to protest the expansion of government, the overspending by government. Do you really think the Tea Party is a bunch of terrorists? Their goals are a smaller, less intrusive government that spends less, and will leave you alone. Or is it the Obama administration that is the terrorists that are arming agencies that have no business with automatic weapons….really? does the USDA need automatic weapons? Those chickens that they are inspecting are sure dangerous, they’d better be careful out there….they’d better be wearing their armored underwear when they go to inspect the meat.
    How about all that NSA spying? How about that NDAA? Sure, Bush signed NDAA into law, but it had an expiration on it and Obama resigned it to continue it….How about all those conservative or Tea Party groups being targeted by the IRS? Or the secret waiting lists at the VA? How about the DOJ selling weapons to the Mexican drug cartels? And you say that the Tea Party is a terror organization….you’re joking, right?
    This does not even get into credible reports of Obama’s half brother being the Al Qaeda money guy for the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt or his being placed on the terror watch list….and where did he come up with the money in the first place? Many of the US government agencies are missing large amounts of funds….for example…the State Department is short 6 billion dollars. Interestingly, the Egyptians claim that 6 billion dollars were given to the Muslim Brotherhood as “bribes”. How about those weapons given to the Al Qaeda Syrian rebels? Did you know that one of the Stinger Missiles that was given to the Syrian Al Qaeda rebels turned up in Afghanistan and was used to shoot down an Apache helicopter? I wonder how it got into Taliban hands… Maybe we should also look at the 5 terrorists that Obama traded illegally for Sgt. Bergdahl. At best Bergdahl is a deserter that should be tried under the UCMJ, Uniform Code of Military Justice….at worst, he is a traitor. Those 5 terrorists are not a problem….if that is true, why did Mullah Norullah Noori state that he was going to return to the fight against America?
    When it come to determining who is a terrorist, you might want to reconsider who you are claiming to be the terrorists. As for the action on the Bundy ranch….that was a militia action. Militias put out the call to go to Bundy’s ranch because of the goon squad tactics being used by the BLM. If Bundy does in fact owe grazing fees, sending automatic weapon wielding storm troopers into the situation is not the way to handle it. Bundy claimed that the land belonged to Nevada and he was paying grazing fees to Nevada. Nevada claimed the land belonged to Nevada….the BLM…not so much. This over a damned tortoise, really? NO, actually it was over Harry Reid’s son making a deal with the Chinese for a several billion dollar solar plant. If it was about the tortoises, the BLM would not have been killing them in their Las Vegas facility when they ran out of funding for it. Can you honestly say that Bundy was completely wrong? I don’t think he is completely right, but there is some truth to what he says. Before you call someone a terrorist, you damn sure better take a look in the mirror and then look to the man you elected to be our president.

  • Tommy Mullen

    The use of women to hide behind in this situation is nothing more then cowardice. And Cliven Bundy is nothing more that a criminal. Who should be in prison. He is by refusing to follow a court order is committing contempt of court. A situation that is punishable with jail time.

  • Mike Crane

    Im sure you aren’t going to hear anything the opposition says but the person that wrote this described exactly how we feel about liberals.. I can assure you that the person that wrote this is ill informed but you will believe it because it falls within your beliefs. I suggest you start looking into things for yourself with an open mind. You are being taken in by a pack of lies. As long as you look at everything like your opposition is a tin foil hat wearing crazy person you will never allow yourself to see the truth. The problem is by the time you figure out you were wrong, it will be too late

  • Ron Krandle

    Funny. You have no problem using the word “terrorist” to describe the Conservatives in this country, but you absolutely cannot bring yourselves to use that word to describe our enemies like ISIS who are now beheading little children even and placing their heads on sticks. They are referred to in the mainstream media as “rebels”, or “militants.” Another point, you complain that the Right wing in this country is trying to bring the government down, yet that’s precisely what the Left in this country called for in the 1960′s. A “violent overthrow.” “Armed revolutionary struggle.” Or…..did we whitewash all that by now and teach our kids that it never happened. The Leftist is at heart, a total hypocrite who seeks to impose rules on others that they refuse to follow themselves.

  • Ron Krandle

    One lie in your little diatribe. You claim they won’t accept anyone who isn’t a straight White Christian male. I’m Jewish, and I find myself a lot more accepted by people from the right than people from the Left right now. The blatant anti Semitism is coming from the Left. When the Occupy movement was going on, which side did the KKK support? I can cite links to that too. One of the rare times the CPUSA and the KKK was on the same side. The anti Israel lobby is almost solely coming from the Left. The American Jewish Liberal has got a real tough choice ahead of them. Stick with a party that hates Jews but believes in all the other dogma the Party puts out, or align themselves with a party that respects Jews and will support Israel. The sad pathetic thing is the Leftist hates religion, but sticks up for Muslims. I think it’s an attempt to try to convince them of your love for them, that they’ll let you live once they take over. Nah, they’ll just kill you last. You’re too valuable to them right now as propaganda tools. “Useful idiots” Lenin called them.

  • PodBoy

    The thing is, it’s clear and everyone knows that the tea party people like to kill kittens. And I said it like it’s a fact so you just believe it.

    The idea that ‘tea party people’ are terrorists is just plain stupid. A group of people who are this well armed, are terrorists, and have never fired a shot?

    Or is it that people who don’t want a government to take their money are what you define as terrorists now? If so, that’s stupid too. That’s not what terrorist means. Declaring that “fact that they basically hate anyone who isn’t a straight white Christian male”. So you clearly don’t know or have ever seen anyone who is a tea party person? Again, just plain stupid.

    So the point of this ‘article’ appears to be; if you don’t want a government to take more of the money you’ve worked for, if you don’t think that government should take over huge sectors of the public market, if you are aware of the (actual) fact that The Constitution is written to constrain the federal government, then you will be mocked, name called, and shunned by the cool people (and web sites) so you better just parrot all the things the cool web sites tell you to.

    Utter ignorance, or utterly evil.

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  • Dawn Appelberg

    Love how a progressive can call those who are defending the very rights of this country terrorists but embrace those who are beheading people for religion. Be aware – the patriots are rising. We have sat long enough and allowed you to corrode our country. This last election should have given you enough presence of mind to know what is coming. The day of the Progressive movement is OVER.

  • Tom_C

    Yes, the people who murdered reporters in Paris wre Tea-Party people. Oh, sorry, they weren’t. What a moronic column. Look forward to more defeats at the polls liberals, no one is buying your drooing, moronic fantasies any more.

  • Nathan Schubert