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The Newest GOP Tactic Against Obamacare? Fake Websites

identity-theftThere’s a saying that goes, “If you can’t win, cheat like hell” and it’s apparently the motto that the GOP has taken to heart across the country in their latest attempts to sabotage the Affordable Care Act.

What does their newest attempt involve? Creating fake websites with misinformation that look like state insurance exchanges in order to confuse consumers trying to find out what their new insurance options are under Obamacare.

First off we have Kentucky, where 3 different websites were set up to mislead people as well as collect their personal information to send harassing emails and phone calls:

Attorney General Jack Conway said some consumers attempting to locate the official site through search engines were being deceptively steered to the kynect101.com website instead of kynect.ky.gov, where they were provided false information about their options under the federal Affordable Care Act, including being informed that there were no plans with federal subsidies available to offset a portion of their insurance premiums.

The AG’s Office of Consumer Protection contacted the owners of the website on Nov. 26, demanding that the site be taken down. The letter also noted that kynect is a copyrighted term and that the copycat site infringed on the state’s copyrights.



Why Kentucky? Kentucky is the currently the only Southern state that is participating fully in the Affordable Care Act and has had success with their enrollment numbers. Even while the federal Healthcare.gov site had rollout issues, Kentucky’s site only had minor glitches when it was launched on October 1st, 2013 – and hasn’t had issues since. If you were running a sabotage campaign, why not run it in a state with a fully functional health insurance exchange site and (not coincidentally) a GOP Senator who is facing a battle for re-election both from Democrats as well as from within his own party?

Then there’s California with a website (coveringhealthcareca.com) which has a URL that resembles the state’s actual exchange web address (CoveredCa.com), but is used to only highlight criticisms of the Affordable Care Act while doing nothing to actually inform people of their new options. Oh yeah – it was created by California Republicans and paid for with California tax dollars. Why California? Just like Kentucky, California has a successful state exchange and people are signing up. How do you create confusion and fear and then redirect that back toward the President and his party in 2014 and beyond? Keep people from enrolling in the subsidized healthcare plans now available to them, or in the case of my state and many others run by the GOP – block a Medicaid expansion that would benefit millions of people living near the poverty line.


I guess when Congress has single-digit approval rating and the healthcare law you opposed is slowly beginning to show its worth, perhaps your only choice is to cheat – and cheat like hell.

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Manny Schewitz is a progressive from the Dirty South with an inclination to say it like it is. He is a co-founder of Forward Progressives, author of the Kvetching with Manny column, and an unapologetic Bernie Sanders supporter. Manny also maintains an active presence on Facebook, and you can follow him on Twitter as well. Be sure to check out Manny's archives on Forward Progressives for more of his viewpoints.
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  • Matt N Jen Stewart

    Why are these people getting away with this? How do we start a petition to get these criminals prosecuted?

  • Robin DeAnne Lowry Seer

    What else is new? Why do you think they all yell “voter fraud”? Because they know so well how to cheat! Can anyone say commander-in-thief? That’s what the cons know how do do…and unfortunately they do it well!

    • spunkysmum

      Yeah, we can say Commander-in-Thief. That’s become a household term since Obama was elected.

  • Spinnaker

    Sites that are infringing on trademarks should be sued in civil courts for all they’re worth. Misleading sites built with tax dollars should be charged with criminal fraud. The KY and CA Attorneys General should show no mercy in going after these criminals.

  • bln143

    i don’t know what the attorney generals are afraid of. if this article is completely true, and i believe it is, then why are those involved not being prosecuted? if it was you or me, you can bet we would have been locked up and questioned much later!! it is this ”free ride” we give some in politics that has helped make government so corrupt. they can get away with things the ”common folk” would have to pay high consequences for doing! what makes them so much above the law? and to think WE pay them to do these things!

  • Keith

    “This section” of the Republicans is quickly becoming one of the most hated groups in America. They seem to think they are “above the law”, and have a right to do “whatever they want” to “get what they want”. Their ultimate goal is to “impeach Obama”, and we need to make sure they aren’t successful.

  • Suzie

    Desperation is sometimes a very ugly thing.

  • MiMg

    Republicans have sunk to ALL TIME LOWS, not just in the polls, but in their tactics, this type of treasonous behavior has NEVER existed before!

  • Mr Smith

    Question conservative voters should ask themselves is, if their party is right and doing the honorable thing then why do they need to resort to deception and convolution to convince you that they are right? Even a dim whit can read between the lines on this tactic.

  • josephherring

    where is the proof this was the GOP? I’ve seen nothing that proved it was the GOP doing it. For all we know it could have been a liberal tactic to get people to be against conservatives.

    • Moe Syzlak

      Liberal tactic? Paranoid much?

      • josephherring

        Nope, It’s liberals making the accusation that this is the GOP doing it when there is no proof of it at all.

      • Moe Syzlak

        So your response is the exact same thing. You are implying that ‘it could have been a liberal tactic to get people to get people to be against conservatives.’

        Any proof of that? Didn’t think so…just your paranoia. Go watch some Alex Jones bro.

      • josephherring

        No paranoia here, Why don’t you go read up on all the lies the liberals have told since this administration has been in office. Affordable Care Act? Not affordable. You can keep your insurance if you like it. Nope, ACA prevents that. Obama is for the American people? Once again NO!! He has been funding the Muslims Brotherhood and Al Qaeda in Syria. That right there threatens the safety here in the US. Egypt has filed Terrorist Criminal charges again him for the deaths of Egyptian people through the funds he has given. Yes the great and powerful Obama is a criminal not just in the eyes of the American people, but the rest of the world.

      • josephherring

        No paranoia here, Why don’t you go read up on all the lies the liberals have told since this administration has been in office. Affordable Care Act? Not affordable. You can keep your insurance if you like it. Nope, ACA prevents that. Obama is for the American people? Once again NO!! He has been funding the Muslims Brotherhood and Al Qaeda in Syria. That right there threatens the safety here in the US. Egypt has filed Terrorist Criminal charges again him for the deaths of Egyptian people through the funds he has given. Yes the great and powerful Obama is a criminal not just in the eyes of the American people, but the rest of the world.

      • Moe Syzlak

        So you’re moving off topic now? This is what happens when you guy find validity and fact in an opposing point. Since you can’t validate yourself or your point with fact, you must move to the next repetitive ‘conservative’ talking point. Find some new material by the way and stop repeating the same old crap. We’ve heard all of you’re talking points before. Have a great day now. Not climbing into another pointless discussion with you. Remember, Alex Jones is your best friend.

      • Moe Syzlak

        So you’re moving off topic now? This is what happens when you guy find validity and fact in an opposing point. Since you can’t validate yourself or your point with fact, you must move to the next repetitive ‘conservative’ talking point. Find some new material by the way and stop repeating the same old crap. We’ve heard all of you’re talking points before. Have a great day now. Not climbing into another pointless discussion with you. Remember, Alex Jones is your best friend.

      • josephherring

        How am I moving off topic? You asked me what proof do I have. The proof is Liberals lie. Been doing it through the whole time this administration has been in office. As for you telling to validate, why don’t you validate how this is GOP doing this?

      • Moe Syzlak

        Dude, you just brought up three different topics that have nothing to do with the fake websites. That’s moving off topic. Stating that liberals lie is no proof that they are employing a tactic to fool conservatives. Anyone can go and find a load of conservative lies but that doesn’t prove the point of the article either. You have proven your ability to read so why don’t you read my initial response to you. I never said nor am I saying that the GOP was responsible for the fake websites. Your defensiveness however is proof of paranoia and some insecurity. Can we stop now? I’m a liberal and therefore a weak pacifist and don’t like conflict so please don’t beat me up anymore haha. Best wishes brethren.

      • josephherring

        Being defensive has never been and never will be proof of paranoia or insecurity. I am not a conservative, but I would never want to be a liberal. As for me going back and reading why don’t you do the same. I never said it was a liberal who did it. What I said was there was no proof GOP did it and it could have been a liberal. There is a difference between saying it was and it could have been. I gave points on why it could have been a liberal. I suggest to read into the history of your party.

      • Moe Syzlak

        My man, you are the one who brought up a paranoid liberal conspiracy. I just called you out. Let me help you out a little. What you stated initially is your opinion and you don’t even need facts to state an opinion. Your opinion is yours and that’s great. I respect your opinion. It’s simply what you think and that’s just fine. You did however bring up some pointless points that suggesting nothing other than liberals lie. Big freaking deal…conservatives lie too. You ever consider that? By your own rationale, that based on lies, the GOP could be the ones doing it. You are taking yourself in a circle…stop please. You are going to get dizzy.

        Let’s end this here. We agree to disagree. I don’t wan’t to keep going back and forth. Kinda pointless don’t you think. You aren’t convincing me and I’m certainly not convincing you. Take it easy. Please drop it.

      • josephherring

        I agree we will never disagree. However, I will say this last thing then I shall end this. You claim I brought up pointless facts, but I disagree with you on that. These are ground for considering that this could have been a liberal agenda. As for conservatives, well they have done some things that I have been totally at disagreement with. For example, they have cut medicaid and medicare. I felt instead of Obama forcing more taxes on us that he should have revised both of them as we are already paying for them. changing the rules of acceptance and what treatments are approved is a far better tactic than forcing people to purchase this horrific reform, which is not affordable by any means.

        Well like you said we will not agree on anything so better to end this than to continue this discussion. May you be blessed and good day.

      • Moe Syzlak

        You seem like a decent fellow. Same blessings to you. Merry Christmas and Happy New year soon.

      • Moe Syzlak

        You seem like a decent fellow. Same blessings to you. Merry Christmas and Happy New year soon.

      • MiMg

        The ONLY People Obama wants to RAISE taxes on is the TOP 1%, so the ONLY reason you should be COMPLAINING is if you are THAT RICH

      • josephherring

        You do not realize that this would cause a trickling effect. First, they will stop giving raises. Then they will probably start laying off people. They might even shutdown businesses. Remember this, The rich have enough money where they can live off the interests alone, so they can shutdown these businesses. This idea will only effect the poor.

      • MiMg

        GET REAL! The “trickle down” effect has NEVER HELPED America, so you are NEVER going to get us to believe it will now “hurt” America. Democrat policies and programs HELP The Poor and The Middle class DIRECTLY, Republican policies SUPPOSEDLY EVENTUALLY “trickle down” but NEVER do

      • josephherring

        Obvious I think you need to go back to school. That is what I said. The trickle effect does not help the middle and lower class. You think the elite need to keep a business running? No, they have enough money where they can shut down there business and live of the interest they make, so how is that helping the middle and lower class? Also your president is the one who gave big business a one year exemption from starting insurance in their business. Looks like Democrats work for the elite also.

      • josephherring

        I agree we will never disagree. However, I will say this last thing then I shall end this. You claim I brought up pointless facts, but I disagree with you on that. These are ground for considering that this could have been a liberal agenda. As for conservatives, well they have done some things that I have been totally at disagreement with. For example, they have cut medicaid and medicare. I felt instead of Obama forcing more taxes on us that he should have revised both of them as we are already paying for them. changing the rules of acceptance and what treatments are approved is a far better tactic than forcing people to purchase this horrific reform, which is not affordable by any means.

        Well like you said we will not agree on anything so better to end this than to continue this discussion. May you be blessed and good day.

      • Moe Syzlak

        My man, you are the one who brought up a paranoid liberal conspiracy. I just called you out. Let me help you out a little. What you stated initially is your opinion and you don’t even need facts to state an opinion. Your opinion is yours and that’s great. I respect your opinion. It’s simply what you think and that’s just fine. You did however bring up some pointless points that suggesting nothing other than liberals lie. Big freaking deal…conservatives lie too. You ever consider that? By your own rationale, that based on lies, the GOP could be the ones doing it. You are taking yourself in a circle…stop please. You are going to get dizzy.

        Let’s end this here. We agree to disagree. I don’t wan’t to keep going back and forth. Kinda pointless don’t you think. You aren’t convincing me and I’m certainly not convincing you. Take it easy. Please drop it.

      • MiMg

        YOUR party want to LOWER and or ABOLISH the Minimum Wage, Democrats want to RAISE it so people can AFFORD to LIVE and therefore NOT need Food Stamps JUST to SURVIVE. By the way Mr. Republican, you DO realize there is NO such thing as WELFARE anymore, right? The ONLY safety net program that exists is Food Stamps and Medicaid, and the ONLY way you can be ELIGIBLE for those programs is if you make LESS than 700$/month!

      • josephherring

        Strange how Tom Harkin who is a Republican introduced legislation that would bring up the minimum wage to $9.80 over a 2 year period.

      • MiMg

        Wow, you know NOTHING about politics, do you? Tom Harkin is a DEMOCRAT, and it wasn’t 9.80, Tom Harkin the DEMOCRAT and ALL Democrats want 10.10$/hour!

      • josephherring

        Being defensive has never been and never will be proof of paranoia or insecurity. I am not a conservative, but I would never want to be a liberal. As for me going back and reading why don’t you do the same. I never said it was a liberal who did it. What I said was there was no proof GOP did it and it could have been a liberal. There is a difference between saying it was and it could have been. I gave points on why it could have been a liberal. I suggest to read into the history of your party.

      • Moe Syzlak

        Dude, you just brought up three different topics that have nothing to do with the fake websites. That’s moving off topic. Stating that liberals lie is no proof that they are employing a tactic to fool conservatives. Anyone can go and find a load of conservative lies but that doesn’t prove the point of the article either. You have proven your ability to read so why don’t you read my initial response to you. I never said nor am I saying that the GOP was responsible for the fake websites. Your defensiveness however is proof of paranoia and some insecurity. Can we stop now? I’m a liberal and therefore a weak pacifist and don’t like conflict so please don’t beat me up anymore haha. Best wishes brethren.

      • MiMg

        Get real buddy, Democratic policies favor EVERYONE, Republican policies ONLY favor THE RICH

      • josephherring

        Really? Read the history of the Democratic party. They was for slavery and segregation. What better way to keep people from coming up and reaching their dreams than to put them in hole with thinking that stay poor and not working and getting a check from the government is good.

      • MiMg

        THOSE are DIXIECRATS from the WORTHLESS SOUTH which have ALL changed to REPUBLICANS for over FIFTY YEARS!

      • josephherring

        Just like a you to be ashamed of your own party then try to pass it on to someone else.

      • MiMg

        They NOT now and have NOT been “Democrats” for over a HALF CENTURY!

      • josephherring

        LOL… I am bored of discussing this with a delusional stalker like you.

      • MiMg

        YOU LOSE HA HA HA

      • josephherring

        How? you are delusional. You are in denial. You can’t even admit what your party has done. Now I am through with this. Good day and God Bless

      • josephherring

        Obama exempted big business from ACA for a year. Looks like your president is for keeping the middle and lower class down as well.

      • MiMg

        You sure DONT follow politics, this was a REPUBLICAN REQUEST

      • josephherring

        How am I moving off topic? You asked me what proof do I have. The proof is Liberals lie. Been doing it through the whole time this administration has been in office. As for you telling to validate, why don’t you validate how this is GOP doing this?

      • josephherring

        We’ve heard all you’re talking points before? I was talking to you and no one else, so does this mean I am speaking to someone with multiple personalities?

      • MiMg

        Republicans are the ONLY people with multiple personalities

      • josephherring

        My favorite stalker. * pats him on the head.*

      • MiMg

        Yes, you are

      • josephherring

        We’ve heard all you’re talking points before? I was talking to you and no one else, so does this mean I am speaking to someone with multiple personalities?

      • DustyW

        You do realize you’re crazy, don’t you? The deceptive and dishonest web site has — in very, very small print at the bottom — acknowledgment that it is sponsored by the Republican Party of California. Really, sir, you should seek help from a qualified therapist.

      • josephherring

        Can I say something? I can build a website. I can write anything on it as well. If I wanted I could add DustyW a democrat and Proud Obama supporter created this website. Just because it is posted on it does not mean it is true. Also I think it is you who needs to seek help.

      • MiMg

        You can’t say anything, you must be a str8 white older upper income male, so a racist homophobic sexist elitist bigot

      • josephherring

        If you’re going to comment then please use a sentence that is understandable and not a bunch of jumble up words.

      • MiMg

        FACTS are FACTS, YOUR party ALWAYS votes AGAINST legislation that HELPS Blacks, Gays, Hispanics, Women, and The Poor, LOOK UP THEIR VOTES!

      • josephherring

        According to a new Gallup poll released Monday, 58 percent of self-identified Republicans support raising the minimum wage to $9, compared to the 39 percent of them who are against it. That level of support still trails that of Democrats (91 percent) and Independents (76 percent). On the whole 76 percent of Americans are cool with all qualified workers making $9 per hour.

      • MiMg

        First of all, as ALWAYS, Independents and Democrats have MUCH higher support for it than YOUR party, secondly, you do NOT know much about politics, do you? You NEED to FOLLOW the VOTES and their PUBLIC STATEMENTS, and the Repubs are CLEARLY VERY AGAINST raising the Minimum Wage!

      • josephherring

        Wait! you said in another comment that all Democrats support it. I guess you was wrong.

      • MiMg

        AGAIN we are TALKING about DEM POLITICIANS, NOT POLLS!

      • MiMg

        TENS of MILLIONS of Americans are now going to be SAVED from DYING because they will FINALLY have HEALTHCARE!

      • josephherring

        Look, no where have a ever said there was no a need for providing healthcare for the poor. The only thing that Obama had to do was revise medicaid and medicare. Change the rules for acceptance. change the rules for what will be approve under both of them. There is no need to try and force Americans to purchase This crap he calls healthcare. Tell me, what does a single male or elderly without kids need maternity or pediatric care?

      • MiMg

        Sorry, but YOU are RESPONSIBLE for YOUR party, and YOUR party is AGAINST providing ANYTHING to ANYONE

      • josephherring

        Ok, if I am responsible for them then your are responsible for your president giving out funds and weapons to known terrorist organizations. Remember he is from your party

      • MiMg

        I remember your GOD (Reagan) doing even WORSE things, but no, I don’t believe Obama did this

      • josephherring

        If your GOD (Obama) did not do this then I wonder how the Egyptians have enough evidence to file criminal charges against him?

      • MiMg

        let’s stay on TOPIC if you are CAPABLE

      • josephherring

        This was on topic. you said you did not believe Obama did this, so I stated proof that he did. Hard to file charges if you do not have evidence.

      • MiMg

        Lets stay on TOPICS that DIRECTLY affect the American people, Poor Rights, Gay Rights, Women’s Rights, Black Rights, Hispanic Rights, Students Rights, Animal Rights, PLANET rights

      • josephherring

        How does this not affect the American people. You give an enemy of the country funds and weapons. That helps them to attack our soldiers, people here within US borders. That,s like pouring gasoline on a fire.

      • Janet Ehrsam

        so using your logic..no female should have to have prostate cancer coverage, erectile dysfunction coverage, testicular fusion, etc. Who gets to decide whats cherry picked and whats not? When you start separating things like that, the whole point of the system is lost. Single men SHOULD have that coverage, because they have the “option” of fathering a child. Are you implying that males are not as responsible for their children’s care as their female counterparts are? Should only women be responsible, or should we make children only cover those types of policies. I am not a child, (even though I have 3), so why should “I” have to have pediatric care through my insurance?!?!?! See how silly it gets after awhile?

      • josephherring

        My God are you dense? Where did I ever say a man is not responsible for a child he has? I said a man who does not have kids or a wife should not be forced to purchased maternity care or pediatric care. How do you know that man will ever have kids? He might decide never to have any. He might use protection when ever he has sex to prevent a child from being conceived. Never did I say he had any responsibility for a child he helped make.Also under your logic an elderly male and female who are not able to have kids anymore should have this mess thrown at them. These things should be options not mandatory. A person should be able to choose what they want under their coverage, and not have it shoved down their throats.

      • Moe Syzlak

        So your response is the exact same thing. You are implying that ‘it could have been a liberal tactic to get people to get people to be against conservatives.’

        Any proof of that? Didn’t think so…just your paranoia. Go watch some Alex Jones bro.

      • MiMg

        Theres so much proof, it’s pathetic

      • josephherring

        Prove it then. Provide the proof.

      • MiMg

        It doesn’t matter if you can DIRECTLY tie a specific Repub to the FAKE websites, it was done by THEIR people, 501C4′s, Super Pacs, they are ALL equally responsibile

      • josephherring

        If you cannot proof it then case closed.

      • MiMg

        It’s PROVEN and ADMITTED by the GOP Super Pacs, HELLO,

    • MiMg

      get a brain and get a clue, follow the votes in politics, Republicans votes are AGAINST Women, AGAINST Blacks, AGAINST Gays, AGAINST Hispanics, and AGAINST The Poor!

    • spendley4

      Josephherring, For proof, look at the tiny disclaimers on the websites. They have to say who they are or risk getting taken down. For example, the fake CA website is operated by the Assembly Republican Caucus. They have not tried to hide it, and in fact, they have openly defended it. CA Assembly Republican Leader Connie Conway thinks it’s great and has no intention of taking it down. I would not be surprised, however, if the Assembly put a stop to it despite the “Disclaimer” because it is obviously deceptive.

      • josephherring

        I couldn’t find all the links with the websites that they claimed were fake, but the one I did find I will comment on. The Ca. website is not a fake website. It does not ask for customer’s personal information. It does show facts about Obamacare like how much you will pay for penalties on not purchasing. The website itself is not deceptive. Yes, I see the URL for the website, and they do look similar, but that is not grounds for calling the website fake. A fake website would be asking for personal information and the one I went to never asked for any of that.

  • pam1500

    Liberals are dumber clucks than even I thought, and I thought they were pretty dumb. The president sucks, lies like he breathes, his polls are sinking, how do we get away from this cesspool we created, OH LOOK! SQUIRREL! And all the libs scamper away and look.
    If this were Narnia, libs would be the animals who ceded the power of speech. They love to honk and bray.

    • MiMg

      Let’s see, who’s the dumb one. Republicans who want to give tax cuts to THE RICH, and Democrats who CREATED Social Security, Unemployment, Medicare, Disability, and The Affordable Care Act

  • pam1500

    Liberals are dumber clucks than even I thought, and I thought they were pretty dumb. The president sucks, lies like he breathes, his polls are sinking, how do we get away from this cesspool we created, OH LOOK! SQUIRREL! And all the libs scamper away and look.
    If this were Narnia, libs would be the animals who ceded the power of speech. They love to honk and bray.

  • Zach Smith

    How dare they mislead people about DemocratCare?

    “If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. Period.”

    • MiMg

      Get your PRIORITIES straight, TENS of MILLIONS of Americans will NOW have insurance that BEFORE could NOT even GET it!

      • Zach Smith

        Lying is okay as long as it advances your liberal agenda?

      • MiMg

        Lets see if you have a heart or a brain. Have you EVER worked for Minimum Wage? If so, you MUST remember THOSE jobs do NOT offer Health Insurance for MANY months, sometimes YEARS before you are eligible for insurance!

      • Zach Smith

        Your answer to a problem that affects a fairly small portion of the population is to make healthcare worse for everyone else? Sometimes you really should use your brain.

      • MiMg

        you call TENS of MILLIONS of people a “small portion” BRAIN and HEART DEAD !

      • josephherring

        Where did I say 10 millions people. you are really illiterate. If you are going to debate then READ!! A website of that size and structure would have cost 10 million dollars. I am done talking to someone with no mind. This will be the last comment. Not worth debating with someone who’s mind is not working correctly. Good day and be Blessed.

      • MiMg

        YOU NEED TO READ! My post was regarding Zach’s statement that the bill was only going to help a “small portion” of society

      • MiMg

        YOU Repubs are SO STUPID, the ACA has NOT even gone into effect yet, but for YEARS you’ve been CLAIMING it isn’t working! you HAVE to WAIT to even PROVE your comments

      • josephherring

        Sure it isn’t working. From the beginning it has been a waste of money. Spent almost a billion dollars on a website that would have cost around 10 million at the most.

      • MiMg

        you CANT say something is a WASTE until FACTS back that up, and you cant even GET those facts until TIME has passed to PROVE what you are saying, USE YOUR HEAD

      • josephherring

        OK Fact!! millions have already said that this law was crap, not only conservatives but Democrats as well.

      • josephherring

        WRONG!!! I worked minimum wage jobs and had health insurance. I worked at a hospital as a cook.

      • MiMg

        I have CONFIDENTIAL HR training and knowledge that YOU will NEVER have. the FARTHER down the ladder you are (the LESS you are paid) the LESS benefits employees are offered and the LONGER time in position requirements are required BEFORE they are even ALLOWED ANY benefits

      • josephherring

        Because you have HR training does not mean you are correct. I worked at the hospital for minimum wage, was full time, and had insurance. How are you going to tell me what I had and did not have? I believe I was the one who was there not you. Correct? I received insurance at the beginning not later on.

      • spendley4

        Sad to say, but it works both ways Zach. Both parties practice deception to further their agenda. And this (fake ACA website) issue is a perfect example of it.

      • Zach Smith

        That is undoubtedly true, but MiMg was implying that is was acceptable, because he/she was pleased with the outcome, i.e., the ends justify the means.

  • spunkysmum

    OK, who is actually buying this crap story?