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The Indiana Memories Pizza Fundraiser Is A Conservative Media Scam

Lawrence Jones speaks with Dana Loesch on TheBlaze TV's 'Dana' Jan. 20. Image via TheBlaze.com

Lawrence Jones speaks with Dana Loesch on TheBlaze TV’s ‘Dana’ Jan. 20.
Image via TheBlaze.com

By now, most of you have heard about the Indiana pizza shop that announced it would refuse to cater same-sex wedding ceremonies. I’m pretty sure most self-respecting gay couples wouldn’t serve pizza at their wedding receptions or rehearsals, but Memories Pizza went ahead and put their bigotry out there for everyone to know about it anyhow, and they promptly felt the collective wrath of the Internet.


The backlash was absolutely devastating, and Memories Pizza quickly announced that they would be closing their business until further notice. Sounds like an open and closed case of bigotry rearing its ugly head and quickly being slapped down by the good people of the world, right?

Not so fast. While the outrage toward their announcement was certainly legitimate, the GoFundMe campaign that was launched to support Memories Pizza and has currently raised over half a million dollars is about as genuine as a three dollar bill. Yesterday, Glenn Beck’s website The Blaze gushed over the fundraiser, calling it the “Greatest Thing I’ve Seen In Years” as their blogger Jason Howerton wrote.

In less than 24 hours, over 8,000 people have donated more than $228,000 for the embattled Christian owners of Memories Pizza in Walkerton, Indiana. A slew of online threats forced the small business to close its doors after the owners told a local news station that they would refuse to cater for same-sex weddings based on their religious beliefs.

Among all of the donations was a $20 contribution that is being called the “greatest things I’ve seen in years” and the epitome of “real tolerance.” The GoFundMe page was set up by Lawrence Jones, a contributor for TheBlaze TV’s “Dana.” (Source)

As you notice, The Blaze admits that the page was set up by Lawrence Jones, a contributor to their TV program anchored by Dana Loesch. Seems transparent enough, right? Not really. It’s already obvious that the campaign was started by an employee of The Blaze, but that’s not all there is to the story.

Lawrence Jones isn’t just a contributor to The Blaze, Lawrence Jones is also a political operative who has worked with James O’Keefe from Project Veritas as an “investigator.” Yes, that James O’Keefe.

Aside from his status at the University of North Texas as a double-major pre-law student, he is also a “pastor of college ministry” and the 2013 FreedomWorks Activist of the Year.

However, his greatest claim to fame may be his work with Project Veritas, the infamous “conservative non-profit” spearheaded by James O’Keefe. As reported here, Jones went undercover for Project Veritas to “expose” fraud among “Obamacare Navigators” in the Dallas-Fort Worth area.

So before anyone gets the idea that this is some sort of “grassroots” endeavor by an average citizen, it should be pointed out that this is a carefully-orchestrated campaign by an experienced rabble-rouser who is not above using the “average citizens” for political grandstanding, or associating with those who do the same. (Source)

Conservatives who support the religious freedom laws that have become popular in red states across the country ahead of the Supreme Court’s expected ruling have poured their money into this campaign, but the sad fact is that they’ve wasted their funds once again on another publicity stunt designed to gin up the conservative base.


The story over at The Blaze also claims that GoFundMe donors include members of the LGBT community who support Memories Pizza; but then again, anyone can post anything on the Internet and say that it is true. This isn’t an organic campaign to help out a business that decided to become a political martyr; it’s a publicity stunt by The Blaze and a financial windfall for the owners of Memories Pizza. The GoFundMe page also begs of supporters, “After you donate please go “like” and combat the leftist hatred expressed on Dana’s page.”

Remember the story of the waitress in Tennessee, Toni Jenkins, who claimed a customer wrote a racial slur directed at her on his receipt? After the owner of Addicting Info created a donation account and blasted the story across Facebook in an article that has since been removed, she collected nearly $11,000. The only problem is that was also a publicity stunt and it turned out that Ms. Jenkins probably made the story up.

Memories Pizza isn’t the victim here; the real victims are the over 1,700 people who’ve donated more than $500,000 to a business owner who has made more money in a couple of days than his business probably makes in years. Oh, and he probably won’t have to pay a dime in taxes on the donations either. As the saying goes, “a fool and his money are easily parted” – and The Blaze is making sure that the bigoted owners of Memories Pizza will be laughing all the way to the bank.

*Update* After this article was published, the fundraiser has been closed, with a total of $842,592 dollars raised. Many contributions were by anonymous donors with no comment, further raising the suspicions that many of these donations were not from individuals, but by some organization interested in promoting the story The Blaze was pushing.

My friend John Henry explains more in this video.





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  • Guest

    Pretty sure Clinton signed the Federal RFRA when he was President not Governor.

    • Mel Lewis

      Not the same thing. You can do a cursory Google search and read the differences if you’re so inclined to do so. However, since you posted the very same thing above, it only shows the ignorance of some people and their perceptions of reality.

      • alex

        The perception of reality is that christians feel threatened for some reason even tho they have HUGE amounts of power in the US . It is beyond rediculous. Like enslaving black people and oppressing women and science for two millenia wasnt enough. I will say I know loving christians who actually spread the love and kindness in their hearts, no matter what the bible sais. Jesus said so himself to love everybody like you love yourself. They have enough power to push a bill like this under the guise that christians are being threatened, THEY ARE NOT.

      • marshwill

        Tell it to the pizza parlor family who have been driven out of their business, had their lives threatened, threats to burn down their business, rob them of the money given by a lot of people who are sympathetic because of the threats against them, and labeled BIGOTS because of their Christian beliefs and principles. AND they are NOT alone.

    • GimmeSomeTruth

      Native American religious ceremonies involving the use of peyote is not the same as religious freedom laws that are designed to discriminate against the LGBT Community. You have no clue what you’re talking about.

      • marshwill

        Nor is any other law supposed to be able to force an unwilling baker, photographer, PIZZA CATERER, etc. provide their services to any kind of venue that they feel causes them to compromise their religious convictions. There WILL be restoration of religious rights. I predict there will be a larger clamor for it after this fiasco than ever before. This nonsense at the pizza parlor is exactly what will stimulate the legislation.

  • Kook conspiracy article. Not worth further comment

  • George W Vein

    Wow Jennifer Call … and I quote …” you need to stop forcing people to believe the way you do, you don’t have that right.” Sound familiar?? Thats exactly what the religious right want to do to Gays, Muslims, Jews, well, anyone who doesn’t believe what they believe in …

    • “Jennifer” is a right-compensated sock

      • DP

        Chad is a left wing fleabagger.

      • Another DP upvote for his own comment.

        Which Koch Bro grooms his pubes better, anyway?

      • …and whose arm-sweat smells the best? *edit: sorry for the old-fart Kinks reference; I jes’ couldn’t help myself.

      • Kharon

        Actually that would be soros

      • BobJThompson

        And just how many hundreds of millions of dollars has Soros pledged to spend on the next election? Is it close to 900? Besides isn’t unfettered campaign spending a good thing? FREEDOM!

      • Jean Wagner

        Soros hasn’t made any pledges yet that I know of. I do know that in January this year, the Koch brothers announced they will be pledging $900,000 to the 2016 elections backing ultra right wing candidates. They announced this at the end of 3 day seminar with the agenda being 2016 elections and included every key far right Republican politicians and potential candidates. The seminar was held in Palm Springs, Ca. You confused Koch brothers with Soros or hoped no one remember that seminar.

      • BobJThompson

        That was my point. You don’t see that “boogeyman” Soros spending now billions of dollars on American elections. Nor does he have the decades of “think tanks” created by him or his family. All money out of politics. Let the policy, not the mudslinging ads decide.

      • Jean Wagner

        Stop lying. Only a real idiot and/or liar would try to convince anyone that Koch brothers don’t back gay marriage issues. Even spending even a few seconds googling the Kochs would see you for what you are. A liar with fewer trolling skills than most 5 year olds. Do you think anyone would every take you seriously? Now crawl back to your basement/bedroom. Your mother’s done cleaning it.

      • Darren McLellan

        Liking your own comment is like masturbating in public.

      • Michael Lindholm

        And DP is a right wing douche-cannon

    • fugazi71

      lol and what is it again that muslims do to gays, christians, jews, well anyone who doesn’t believe what they believe in?…..crickets……

      • alex

        way to generalize, you realise there are many muslims in the world who live more peacefully than some of the voters in the churches OOOPS i mean government buildings. sometimes its hard to tell the two apart lately.

      • Dave Wukusick

        no it isn’t…if it is; you may need to see a doctor about your affliction….and you are right many Muslims are peaceful, but do nothing about the non-violent ones….so who is worse…those who do or those who do nothing to stop them????

      • Kaye Dyer

        We are trying to stop the right wing Conservative Christian. Most Christians are peaceful but we are trying to stop the hateful, bigot, warmonger Evangelist Conservative Christian. They are driving young ones away from God, and they need to be stopped.

      • Robert Wayne Stephenson

        That may be, but at least they don’t go around beheading people of other religions and throwing gays off of roofs.

      • sonoitabear
      • Jean Wagner

        Yet FBI hate crime statistics tell us that conservative Christians kill gays — about 2 dozen a year on average. How to they know that conservative Christians murder gays? They know the background of the convicted criminals and have proof that the motive was gay related. We also know that 1000s of LGBT folks are attacked each year simply because they are LGBT. I can’t speak to rooftops, but I do know of one recent case in Oklahoma where a gay man was attacked then burned to date. Me, I’d take the beheading or the rooftop over being burned alive any day.

        When it comes to gays, conservatives Christians have not shown any moral superiority over Muslims. They are both equally wrong.

      • Mom26

        I’ve seen more liberal anti gay bigots in California than anywhere else. If this was happening dont you think your lib media would be blasting this on TV 24-7? I smell bullshit.

      • Jean Wagner

        And the fact that you’ve seen more liberal anti-gay bigots in California than anywhere else proves nothing. I live in a very red state and I’ve seem more conservative anti-gay bigots here than I’ve seen in any of in the dozens+ places i been stationed at in my more than 20 years of military service and that doesn’t prove anything either. I don’t watch liberal news media. I look for news outlets that do comprehensive, in – depth news reporting like BBC.

        I don’t care what you think because it has no effect on the facts — facts that come directly from every police departments all over the county and are compiled and released on regular by the FBI known as the Uniform Crime Report which includes every crime and every detail about the crime. Don’t believe the report, take it up with the FBI and the police departments that send them the data. I suspect if you were living in the deep south during the first half of the 20th century, you wouldn’t believes were blacks were being lynched because you didn’t personally see a lynching.

        I’ve met lots of people like you and quickly learned that no amount of facts will change your preconceived beliefs and deep seeded bigotry. So I won’t waste my time because what I say or write is not what is important . The truth is in the facts — the one you will never acknowledge.

      • Mom26

        your group is the intolerant lynch mobs, filled with hatred of anyone who doesn’t goose step to your beliefs. The only reason you would ever try to force a Christian, Catholic, Jewish or Muslim baker to bake a damn cake for you is to try to stir up shit, period. You are fine with taking away everybody elses rights,via force of the government, if it’s something that fits your narrative. I’m not wasting my time either, because people like you would love the government to wipe your ass everyday because nanny state communism is what you want.

        I am pro gay marriage by the way, I have a gay sibling and I fully support his/her happiness and will cut the cake st the wedding . Unlike this crowd, My sibling has class and better things to do then going around trying to destroying small business owners over a hypothetical that never happened.

      • cat lover

        I am not gay. Like you I too have a sibling who is the sweetest, kindest individual who would never ever consider hurting someone. The only persons he’s ever told he was gay was my mother and myself. Unfortunately for my brother, he come across gay. He’s not effeminate, he wears the dullest clothes with mismatched colors, couldn’t do any of the stereotype gay things if his life depended on it. He is shy and meek. For all his goodness, he has been repeatedly bullied by conservative Christians who make up the majority where he lives. He’s been threaten physically, called names and had his house and car vandalized. He can’t move and I live thousands of miles away. I’ve try to get him to move here, but he won’t.

        While I may be a liberal, I have always believed people should take responsibility for their actions, be self-reliant, stand up for the weak and needy who can stand up for themselves, and I strongly believe in the practicing Golden Rule. Where you and I disagree is that the part where someone’s religion beliefs take priority over someone’s rights. I have a lot of time reading the Bible especially what Jesus teaches us. Nothing in Jesus’ teachings or Paul’s writing support the the religious belief that it is good in the eyes of God to discriminate against someone else because of their sins. In fact Jesus repeatedly shows by his words and actions that we are equal in terms of how sinful our behavior is. It sickens me the to see conservative Christians use the Bible to justify their hatred. In earlier generations, these folks used the Bible to,justify slavery, treating blacks as people who “Less than.” As long as I see conservative Christians continue this behavior against people like my brother, I will continue to point out their lies. Lies that include that only Muslims kill gays, that the Bible teaches them that of all the worst sinners that Paul describes in I Cor 6:9-10 they willingly overlook everyone of nine sins listed except 1 — being gay. I have never nor would I harm someone for discriminating against others, but I will writes of protest, I will write letters to my elected officials, I will write to sponsors and let them know why I will no longer buy their product because of who the chose to send money on. I don’t buy products from companies like Apple who willingly do business with countries that abuse their citizens. It sickens me to know that many companies get big tax breaks even if they move their companies overseas living more Americans without a decent job. It sickens me that the Republicans seem to care more the rich than everyone else. Republicans didn’t always use to be that way. Eisenhower was president of my youth. I admired how he concentrated on projects that good for everyone like the highway system. I don’t believe today’s Republicans would be willing to work so hard to so much good for all the people, not just the ones that fill the it campaign coffers. I don’t think the Democrats are much better which is why I am an independent. It sickens me to hear so conservative Christians who believe they are being persecuted. Yes, Christians are being killed in other countries , but it’s not happening here. I have been involved in relief missions to oversea countries during my military career. I have seen first hand just how horrible real persecution can be. One of the sights that has stayed with me is to image of this bent over man is right was crooked because it had been badly broken, he was full of the scars from being tortured. And what really broke my heart is when he smiled at a little girl. That’s why I have zero sympathy for these so called persecuted conservative Christians is because when I listen to them all I hear is “the government won’t let me treat this gay person as someone who is “less than” how dare I be exposed to this “sinner”. They send out a message that says “I am being persecuted because I am being forced to treat this low life disgusting gay like he is my equal.” If that makes me someone who is “Less than” in the eyes of a conservative Christian who believe gays deserve to be hated then I wear that as a badge of honor.

      • alex

        not sure who you are cat lover but thank you, I was bullied to the point of near suicide, there is nothing christ-like in the religion induced homophobia in the world.

      • Sara York

        That’s sad that you were bullied but acting gay is not normal. You should stop.

      • cat lover

        You are so, so welcome. While I am not gay, I do know about being bullied for being different. I know how I felt (and still feel). I see how my brother feels. This is no good reason ever to bully. I know I can’t do much to help, so I stand up to bullies whenever I can and hope it encourages other to speak up. And even better, take action. If I could give you hug, I would. The best I can do is send you a mental hug.

      • Mom26

        I’m also ex military, I’ve also lived in dozens of states and the most intolerant bunch of jerks I ever met was after living in California for 30 years. I live in the deep south now for several years and have yet to hear of, see one article or police report, in my area About any hate crimes against gays. Black on black crime is another story. So painting the south with a broad brush is ridiculous.

      • Sara York

        You’re not using the word bigot correctly. Gays that force their lifestyle on everyone are bigots. Look up the definition.

      • Sara York

        Living a gay lifestyle is wrong. Being gay is a sexual choice, that’s it. It’s s sexual perversion. It will never be perceived as being normal no matter how hard you try to force it others.

      • Sara York

        So is being gay. That lifestyle is wrong and it will never be normal no matter how hard you try to force it on everyone.

      • alex

        if they had their way gays would be stoned to death, but only the ones who never sinned once in their entire life may do so under the teachings of jesus.

      • St. Louis Wrestling

        How many pages have you ripped out of your bible?

      • Jean Wagner

        He had to at least removed most of Matthew, Mark and Luke because they each includes Jesus’ teaching to love our enemies and the whole golden rule thing. Surprising John doesn’t those teachings.

      • Jillz

        Exactly, cat lover – leave it for God to figure out in the end! If both sides were able to do that, the problems would have to disappear. I love your posts on this thread, the messages that the evangelicals don’t seem to get – you can’t expect not to be called out as a hypocrite when you cherry pick something from the Bible, ignore the context and other rules, and then use religion as your reason to discriminate on the item you cherry-picked in the first place! That was confusing just to write.

        I’ve said it before – it’s God’s place to judge morality, not man’s. The faux’gelicals will find out at the Pearly Gates when they get there. In the meantime, those who really understand the “do unto others …” and “love thy neighbour …” concepts just have to keep fighting the good fight. In a couple of decades, those fighting equal marriage rights now will be sitting on the wrong side of history right beside those who fought Civil Rights in the 60’s.

      • Randy Nichols

        First off your flippant name calling shows that you are a Christianaphobe and are not to be taken seriously. If you do not believe Gods word you have that right. But please do not try to preach when you do not know the word. The bible is very explicit on certain sins and we do not get to decide what is moral or not. This country allows free exercise of religion, or to have no religion at all. But you do not have the right to force Christians to participate in any activity. Precedent has been set that if a religion teaches that you are not to participate in something it is respected by law, such as conscientious objectors. The bible is explicit on the sin of homosexuality, the law of the land can condone it, but Christians do not have to participate.

      • Jillz

        1. My spiritual beliefs are just fine, and the fact that I don’t see Christian fundamentalists as being very Christ-like doesn’t make me a Christianaphobe.

        2. You (like most Conservatives) seem to be caught up in this faux persecution complex where you can’t even see how hypocritical you sound when you tell someone not to try and “force” Christians to participate in any activity, while at the same time trying to push your religious beliefs down the throats of others.

        It’s laughable. Up until this last post of yours to me, I thought you were actually a sincere Conservative voice of reason on this forum – a welcome change from the normal Conservative rantings here. How disappointing.

        By the way, freedom means that I am free to observe that Christ would probably not support the “values’ being exhibited by American Christian fundamentalists today.

      • Randy Nichols

        Your rant is so filled with contradictions. You spend so much time chasing your tail. Oh, just so you know, Christians allow shellfish and pork :)

      • Jillz

        Yes b/c anybody who doesn’t believe in hating in the name of God (which is what your bizarre stance on homosexuality is) is “contradictory”. And no, if you are saying that homosexuality is a sin, then so is eating shellfish, or animals with cloven feet, and wearing mixed blend fabrics. So your kind of “Christian” may allow subjective exceptions, the Bible doesn’t. Either you follow it or you don’t. You don’t get to pick and choose which parts. I didn’t contradict myself at all – I just disagree with your version of “Christianity”.

      • Randy Nichols

        I don’t know where you get your Christian eating habits, I think you have us confused with someone else. You are trying to be clever by saying that if we go by old testament on homosexuals then we must follow the diet restrictions. Well, I am not saying being gay is a sin, but having sex outside of marriage is, and since Jesus said marriage is between a man and woman, well that means if a gay person is having homosexual sex it is a sin, same as hetero person having sex outside of marriage. A Christian would be within their rights to not participate in a ceremony that glorifies sex between homosexuals that are not married. So there is nothing contradictory sorry. I have nothing against gays, and I don’t make it my business to know what they are doing in the bedroom. Just because I won’t make them a cake for a bogus marriage ceremony does not mean I hate them. I just am not going to acknowledge their sin as acceptable. I work with a gay guy, that we do not discuss sex at all, but we do work together to promote conservative causes. I think he is a fine man, and do not know or care if he is sexually active.

      • cat lover

        Thank you for letting me know you enjoy my posts. This a subject that means a lot to me. First, I truly believe that the most important thing we should is help others and treat everyone with respect and kindness. I know how hard that can be. What saddens me is that the more conservative Christians have 1700 years of torturing and killing millions for the same basic reason — they were different. Today it is gays, in the past it was pagans in the Roman Empire. Then it was other Christians who held slightly different views, then it was Jews and list goes on and on. I speak out now for the millions who didn’t even get the chance.

      • Jillz

        The subject means a lot to me too. I’m so sick of this “hate in God’s name” justification for bigotry. I do appreciate your posts, thank you for the time you spend on them. Blessings to you :)

      • cat lover

        I do it because I hope I might make someone look at the bigotry differently and change. Things will only change when people start changing. I am encouraged that polls are showing that even the most conservative Christians are changing their minds about discrimination. WSJ released a poll last month that showed 44% of Republicans now support gay marriage — that is up from 27% just 2 years ago. 64% of Republicans in their 20’s now support gay marriage. The haters are literally a dying breed. So I have hope — especially when I know that there are folks like you who hate the bigotry as much as I do!

      • Randy Nichols

        Jesus taught to love your enemies, since loving your friends was easy the ability to love your enemy shows more effort. But that love required us to show them that their actions are sinful and to tell them about the redemptive love of Christ. It also does not mean that we are to condone sin, or participate in anti-christian ceremonies, or any other offensive activities. If for instance if a Christian were to participate they would be expected as a Christian to witness to those present and attempt to bring them to Christ. Which I don’t think Christianaphobes would take well. But probably would result in that Business owner not being asked to do any more same sex weddings. How did Jesus handle the money traders at the temple? He turned over their tables and chased them with a whip because they defiled the temple. We are not to defile ourselves, which would include knowingly participating in a ceremony that mocks us. NO God is not OK with my sins, but I ACKNOWLEDGE my sin and REPENT, and per Christs promise and my acceptance of his grace in that he took my sins to the cross and died and was resurrected I am saved.

      • Randy Nichols

        Kaye, morality is not fluid, the so called right wing conservative Christians understand we don’t get to choose what is moral ,it is what it is. You are so pompous speaking against hate, yet you hate those that believe different than you. You proclaim tolerance, yet you are intolerant of those that do not believe as you. You are bigoted against those that you do not share your world view. Being on the left must be so miserable, going around so hate filled and angry. You got it wrong, as Christians, we don’t burn with hatred, or ache with anger…we do not have a self loathing desire to go around miserable.

      • Kaye Dyer

        In the first place, I am a far left liberal Christian Democrat. I do not go around being miserable and I’m angry at the right wing conservative Christian who care nothing for their fellow man, but I hate no one. And, maybe you don’t do as your last paragraph states, but the Evangelic Conservative “Christians” do.

      • Randy Nichols

        I am really curious how you reconcile being a far left Democrat as you say with being a Christian, and how Evangelical Christians do not meet your standard of love for fellow man. It sounds like your a Democrat first, and you will brand those that do not agree politically. Evangelicals put Christianity before party, we try to move party to Christian standard, not move Christianity to meet the Party standard. The Democrat platform denies God. The left continually lies and uses deception to advance their agenda with a notion that ends justify the means. As recently admitted by Harry Reid in his blatant lies against Romney. You seem well meaning, but you must ask yourself if you stand with a movement that must lie and deceive to advance their cause must mean you also believe a lie. Or you are part of the apparatus and knowingly advance the deception.

      • monkeywrench

        if your version of christianity has you treat anyone as less than human…you are worshiping the anti-christ ……………anonymous internet poster

      • Randy Nichols

        My version of Christianity does not treat anyone less than human. No where has anything I said implied or advocated as such. Christ warned against those using his name to teach false doctrines, which is what your insistence that Christians must participate in offensive behavior would fall to the level to. No where in this whole issue has any Christians advocated treating anyone less than human, it is the homofascist and Christianaphobes that are insisting on denying rights.

      • monkeywrench

        if your version of christianity has you treat anyone as less than human, you are worshiping the anti-christ…….anonymous internet poster

      • Jean Wagner

        Matt 7:16. Says we should know them by their fruits. He was as you know referring to false prophets. I think we can also know conservatives Christians by their fruits.

        We know from FBI statistics and others sources, that most of the murders and attacks on gays are committed by conservatives Christians because we have data about hate crimes and know the backgrounds of the convicted. If you have a problem with the data, take it up with the FBI.

        We know that there are a number of conservative Christian ministers promote using violence against gays. Looking at incidents that happened within the past few months, we have Pastor Steven Anderson from Arizona with a long anti gay history who release a video the first week in December calling for death of gays to stop AIDS, then there Pastor Robby Gallaty from Tennessee who says in his anti-gay video series that gays should be put to death if they reuse to be celibate. There’s Pastor Michael J. Williams (it’s unclear where preaches) want all gays to be sent to prison for 10 years and forced to do hard labor. There’s many more and they can easily found with quick. The worst part is I can’t find any conservative church leader who’s spoken out against of these pastors. I know that someone might have spoken out, but I haven’t found it yet.

        The last thing is how many conservative Christian websites focus on their hatred of gays — and their followers are in the tens of thousands of followers. I have yet to find similar websites from Presbyterians, Methodist, etc.

        You can argue all you like that conservative Christians are more moral etc., but but too many conservative Christians have repeatedly sent the world a different message — we are proud to be bigots.

      • Randy Nichols

        If they are promoting violence they are not Conservative, or Christian. Anyone can call themselves Christian, as you said you will know them by their fruits and they are not Christian. Christ was about redemption for sin, and it is a Christians duty to witness and with hope that through their life example to bring others to Christ so that they may be redeemed. That does not mean we must compromise our rights and participate in things we find offensive. If I was a photog, baker, or florist I would witness to them if they asked for my service. Since you read the bible, I am sure you know it is not a Christians duty to accept sin, but to point out that sin, and bear witness to Christ and his redemptive love in the hopes that person will turn from that sin. We are not to immerse ourselves in sin, if we are mocked or people are not receptive to hearing about salvation, then we are not to associate with them. Also, Matthew 7:6 Jesus cautioned us not to cast our pearls before swine lest they trample them under their feet and turn and tear you to pieces, meaning that if we share the word with non-believers that are not open to the word, they will take that and attempt to turn it back on you. We see that with those attempting to justify sin, and who quote verse to us in attempt to show us as wrong. Alinsky said in rules for radicals use our morality against us, and throw it back at us, so I am not surprised you are throwing scripture out there.

      • Mom26

        Typical lib, focused on a hypothetical problem that hasn’t happened, aka a pizza parlor not delivering pizza to a gay wedding, instead of boycotting companies that work in countries that stone gays to death or throw them off buildings, aka Apple. Why don’t you go live there and try it out? ‘Merica won’t seem so bad after all.

      • Afifa Bunche Seaman

        You can ask the same question about christians.

      • Scott Gibson
      • Randy Nichols

        I give up, let the Muslims implement sharia law in the US. I guess as a Christian I should be happy right? Since they would oppress women, eliminate homosexuals, it would be a mans world yeah. Do you realize how contradictory you are, Christians are fighting against the very thing you accuse us of of being. People have lost the ability to think critically, and believe anything. The people who make that up about Christians don’t believe it, but they hope you do. Then you embrace a religion that demonstrates around the world that they are worse in reality than the rhetoric you believe about Christians. It is mind boggling really.

      • nobodobodon

        Peaceful Muslims do more to stop violent Muslims than anyone else. You just don’t see it happening because you’re not looking.

      • Randy Nichols

        Please give an example… are you referring to Shiites, and Suni’s fighting each other. Are you assigning a good vs bad to one side over the other. They both hate you, whether you are a Christian or not they hate America, because you are not Muslim, to them if you are not Muslim your an infidel, so that puts Christians, Jews, Buddhist, Atheist, Agnostics, etc all in the same column.

      • nobodobodon

        Of course I’m not talking about Shia or Sunni. Don’t be absurd.

        I’m talking about Muslims in Egypt protecting Christians, Muslims in Indonesia protecting Hindus, Muslims in Pakistan protecting foreigners. Heck, Muslims in Iran try to protect Persian Jews.

        The vast majority of violent Muslims are stopped by other Muslims. We’re talking about over a billion people. If they all really hated us as much as you hate them, we’d have been wiped out decades ago.

        As an aside, Sunni/Shia violence takes place almost exclusively in areas with rampant poverty and political oppression.

      • Randy Nichols

        OK, sounds good. I will stop worrying about it, we can relent and just convert to sharia law and I know that as a Christian I will be protected.Then we will no longer be hated in the world and all will be good. Thanks for enlightening me. No you just need to convince women, gays, atheists that they too get to maintain their rights under Muslim rule.

      • nobodobodon

        Relent? Sharia?

        You need to get out more.

      • Randy Nichols

        Funny, I would imagine I am more traveled and better educated than you are. For whatever reason you are a Muslim apologists and I could spend all day debating and providing facts and figures and you do likewise and neither one of us would change each others mind. I have had a epiphany after thinking about it. I am gay. A Christian doesn’t view being gay as a sin, only the homosexual act. Since being gay is not a distinct gender, race, or ethnicity there is no way of proving I am or am not gay. A black man goes into a store it is self evident he is black, same with gender though I suppose one could disguise their self but could easily be proven a fake, and most Ethnic persons would also be self evident especially those that are in protected class. So, I am starting a movement of Christian Gays, so that we are now part of the protected class, and will be free from bogus charges of discrimination, and we will be free to practice our beliefs without worrying about being being accused of discrimination. I will also be free from persecution from Muslims since the are protective of Christians and very tolerant of all viewpoints and gays.

      • nobodobodon

        I take it back, you need to stay in more.

        I can have a little patience with your active ignorance about Islam, but when you make such monolithic statements about Christianity, I give up.

        I wish you another epiphany very soon.

      • Randy Nichols

        Frustrating you huh? That is because you chase your tail trying to position yourself to be smarter and better than everyone else. You hold so many contradictory positions, that it must be very frustrating when you are called upon to justify them. Like many on the left you also seem to be so full of yourself that you do not even recognize sarcasm and satire. The everyone is Gay portion was to point out the fallacy of Gays being a distinct class of people. Since they are not indistinguishable from other men and women, their whole being is defined by behavior. If you are following now, that means that the Christian issue is with behavior, not a tangible race, ethnicity or gender, therefore does not by any stretch of imagination reach a level of violation of civil rights that blacks faced, especially when examining the whole so called same sex wedding issue and Christian refusal to participate in such. If you are still with me, Christians who view homosexual behavior as sin does not by any established standard fall to a level that may be called bigotry. I say all this to say, I really don’t care what Muslims think about it, and what they think has no bearing on the injustice of hate groups that target Christian business to make an activist statement, when every business that has been targeted did not offer an exclusive product or service.

      • nobodobodon

        Well, I’m obviously not smarter or better than you, but I think you may be mixing me up with someone else you’re arguing against.

        I was trying to make the point that peaceful Muslims do more to stop violent Muslims than anyone else in the world.

      • Randy Nichols

        Sorry about that, yeah very well could have done that. Some get really obnoxious.

      • Jillz

        And you need to find better arguments if you want to convince anyone that women, gays and atheists would retain their rights under Republican rule.

      • Randy Nichols

        You know, gays have been gay for ever. They have been able to practice it in private and now they can be open…but you know to think all gays are only concerned with being gay is kind of selling them short. Many are concerned with the economy, taxes, foreign policy and limiting government in our lives. Yes there are gay conservatives, Just as democrats sell women short by believing all they car about is the so-called womens issues they sell the gays short and must make them into a victim to keep them from focusing on the other more important issues. That is the whole purpose of the big hubub over Indiana. Just like they manufactured the war on women now they are manufacturing the war on gays.

      • alex

        and many muslim leaders have said many things againts the exteemists but the media refuses to show those details because its entirely one sided.

      • Randy Nichols

        Seriously? Did you just say that. If any muslim speaks moderately it is all over the news. If the news didn’t repeat it, then Obama would make sure he mentioned while also putting down Christians at the same time.

      • Charles Vincent

        Actually it isn’t, one only needs to see the history of Islam to understand it isn’t a generalization. Way to look like a complete moron. Furthermore as Dave Wukusick pointed out Silence is consent and is perhaps worse than those that do horrific things.

      • Randy Nichols

        Alex, it is obvious you hate who you are told to hate, and you are anti this or pro that as per direction. It is hard to except someone with such contradictory reasoning as a free and independent thinker. You hate Christians because we are homophobic, sexist, gun loving religious fanatics. Yet you defend Muslims, who are homophobic, sexist, gun loving religious fanatics…I am sure you see it as enemy of your enemy is your friend… sometimes the enemy of your enemy is your worst nightmare.

      • Julie Marie Totsch

        I don’t hate anyone, but I can assure you that being a homophobic, sexist, gun-loving religious fanatic isn’t going to get you a spot on Jesus’ right. He didn’t preach for any of that. I’ll be over here praying that He shows mercy on your soul and opens your cold heart to love. You might want to sell your guns and start repenting before it’s too late.

      • Randy Nichols

        Julie, I didn’t say myself, or any other Christians are those things, that is the label Christianaphobes and homo fascist apply to Christians in order to attack us. The point that seems to be lost on you is you accuse us of being all that, yet the Muslims who are in fact demonstrating that behavior get a pass from you. Thank you for offering to pray for me, however judge not lest you be judged by same measure. Jesus never said we are to tolerate sin, as he told the woman being stoned, ” Go and Sin No More” we have no hatred for those that commit sin, and know Jesus sacrificed for all, but there is nothing that says we have to endorse their sin.
        Now why would you think I must sell my guns? I have a constitutional right to own them. I do no harm to anyone with them and the guns themselves commit no sins or crimes. My guns are a means to provide food for my family, as well as provide for their safety, and yes even recreation. For you to make that statement is very telling indeed. So you are the arbiter of all things that are good and holy, I will pray for your arrogance.

      • Julie Marie Totsch

        Really? I’m arrogant? You claim that gays are all sinners and you don’t have to “endorse” their sin? No one is asking you to endorse anything, but your arrogance of gay sin being worse than your own is very telling. There is no sin in being gay, but there is sin in not loving thy neighbor – and, loving thy neighbor includes not restricting their rights. And, how would you know if I am or am I the arbiter of all things that are good and holy? What if I am and you turned away in your absolute righteousness? Won’t you be surprised in the afterlife?

      • Randy Nichols

        LOL..really? You are the high authority on what is considered sin to Christians? Jesus also said if your eyes cause you to lust then surely it would be better to gouge out your eyes than sin? Harsh yes, but there is redemption in the rest of the story. The first lie Satan told to man was they may be as God, which I see you have stationed yourself in that position. Yes that is arrogance why are you ashamed to admit it. What right am I restricting or advocate restricting? I am opposed to infringing on the rights of Christian business.

      • alex

        you are making absurd generalizations, and I DO NOT HATE CHRISTIANS just as much as i do not hate muslims buddist atheist whatever, I believe be good to one another like jesus wanted. And im not defending horrible things that happen. and you are any better? the media is shoving down hate down peoples throats and are swallowing it up? let me assume you think all muslims are the people you describe? I believe there is good and bad in the world and limiting civil rights is bad IMO. In america everybody deserves the same dignity, if you are going to hide behind a bible to say NO THEY DONT then thats bigotry my freind, there is a difference between religiious freedom and having the freedom to discriminate againts your brothers and sisters.

      • Randy Nichols

        Let me ask you to think about something. How is forcing someone to participate in something that is offensive to them not denying them their rights. For you to believe them haters because they do not want to participate, then you by the same reasoning and definition are also guilty of hate for wanting to deny them their right. You can not have it both ways, you are not the arbiter of who’s rights trump another’s. Reason would say that it is more hateful to force someone to go against their convictions than to ask someone to seek another provider. Just because you do not share the same religion or have any religion at all does not justify your forcing them to do something that their religion explicitly states is wrong. We are guaranteed the free exercise of religion, and that same part of the constitution also prevents anyone from forcing you to participate in any religion. We are not talking about anyone being denied meals, or essential services, or access. We are talking about someone performing a custom work, or actually having to attend the ceremony for something that they find offensive. You hate and invoke name of love, you are intolerant in the name of tolerance, where is your human decency man?

      • alex

        jesus said he who lives without sin may throw the first stone, May i assume that these people who own these cake factories live without sin? its teaching of love to everybody NO MATTER WHAT, and how cruel hypocsrisy looks like in the eyes of god.

      • Randy Nichols

        What is it your are not getting? It is not about throwing stones, or doing anything to gays… good grief. Really are you that dense or are you just not getting it because you don’t want to get it. THE ISSUE is forcing Christians to participate in an activity they find offensive. It is the homofascist and Christianaphobes throwing stones here. Homosexuality is offensive to Christians, I don’t care if you practice it, that is your business, you are free to do what you want, but when you force a Christian to participate you are infringing on their rights, just because you disagree with them does not make you right in doing so. You are allowed to marry same sex, good for you, you got what you want. I don’t care, get married live your life, just don’t force me to participate against my beliefs or will. HOW is that throwing stones at you?

      • Jillz

        Allen Clifton posted a great idea the other day. If Christian business owners want to discriminate / refuse service (of any kind) to gays, then they must post a sign in their window that says “we don’t serve homosexuals”. In this way, Christians would NOT be forced to serve homosexuals, and as a result homosexuals would not unknowingly face the humiliation of discrimination. It sounds like a solution that would make both sides happy. Is that not a fair compromise?

      • Randy Nichols

        You are really naive. Indiana passed the law that does nothing, to try to score points with conservatives. Then they wet themselves at the first sign of backlash out of manufactured outrage. When in reality, for a custom order job, it would be easy to passively not provide service to whoever you don’t want to. You just price yourself out of the market, or establish unacceptable time frame of schedule that you can work with. It is done all the time by every flavor or business owner. Sometimes you just don’t want the business.. automotive shop may not want to work on a notoriously difficult car, a customer that will obviously difficult to work with, so on and so forth. This is done by gays, straight, Christian, Muslim, Atheist, or any other you can think of in business. Making a law was just window dressing whether you make one that allows Christians to refuse or if you make one that says they can’t.

      • alex

        and the prime voters for the bill in Indiana were muslim NOT christians looking fr an excuse to dscriminate? If they Worship Jesus they are denying his very teachings.

      • Leende

        When you as the last time a Christian beheaded anyone or threw a gay off a building.

      • Randy Nichols

        Don’t you know, its those darn Amish going around committing acts of terrorism.

      • They don’t bother with mooslims. https://youtu.be/xa_VRUrdUYs

      • Mike Armstrong

        They tax them.

      • Dave Wukusick

        Yeah, but the LBGT don’t dare take on the Muslims!!!!!

      • rhonda

        the gays are a gentle ppl they target no one that dose not target them….and to be clear if I were a gay person I would much rather “target” the Muslims instead of a bunch of gun toten, uninformed, simple minded, white trash, KKK, Neo Nazi crazed, (so called Christians) any day

      • Kharon

        Most are anything BUT gentile. T hey think tolerance is agreeing with them. They are intolerant fascist bullies. I support gay marriage but do not support violating religious freedoms of business owners. You are doing more harm than good to your cause by becoming the type of monster you have fought in the past.

      • Kathy Fillman

        When CHOOSE to be gay then you can speak then up can talk snout what gays think. Until then stfu

      • Nordic Templar

        Incoherent babble

      • Kharon

        Since when do I have to be gay to have an opinion?

        Also…I thought being gay wasn’t a choice? Hrmmm…

      • Randy Nichols

        Kathy, why so hateful? It is OK to express opinion, even debate without being to hateful and full of vitriol.

      • Brandon Broze

        The First Amendment says “Free exercise”, NOT “religious liberty.” I think any LEGIT constitutional scholar will tell you that the FORMER phrase is far more restricted and does NOT include sh*t like, “being able to discriminate against gay people.” REAL religious liberty is sh*t like being able to donate to your church, pray, worship whoever/whatever you want and the like.

        You guys have TWISTED AND DISTORTED the meaning of “religious liberty” to be WHATEVER YOU THINK IS OK ACCORDING TO YOUR POLITICAL VIEWS… although you won’t ADMIT it’s political! Instead, you’ll wrap yourself in “god-speak” and claim, “My religion commands me to do this.”

        Admit that you’re being political. Your POLITICAL VIEWS drive this faux “religious liberty” bs, let’s be honest.

      • Randy Nichols

        Gays are apparently scared of Muslims and would like to keep their head attached to their body. Otherwise the left would not be so defensive apologetic to muslims.

      • Dave Wukusick

        Everyone is gentle…can’t you tell by the news you see every night??? Muslims are gentle Jews are gentle, Africans are gentle Christians are gentle LGBT are gentle, PETA is gentle ……until you do not appease them!!! Then all hell breaks loose….we’ll bomb you, kill your kids/parents…..black list you protest you into bankruptcy…whatever………… If everyone was so damn peaceful…we wouldn’t be wasting our time arguing on a flipping computer!!!!!

      • Christopher Husbands

        They are kind of busy fighting the American Facist christians right now Dave.

      • Randy Nichols

        Christopher if you really know history, it is homofascist that most embody the traditional fascist ideology. Small group that uses intimidation, hate speech and rhetoric targeting an established institution to target as the blame for all ills that face a nation. In Germany the fascist targeted Jews, in America the fascists are targeting Christians.

      • Christopher Husbands

        We have some interesting things planned for you.. Ha ha ha (evil laugh).

      • Randy Nichols

        Naw…We are not worried. That level of persecution to Christians in America would never happen. The second amendment will prevent that..;)

      • Christopher Husbands

        Indeed

      • Brandon Broze

        boo-hoo!

        By and large, we’re HOLDING YOU GUYS ACCOUNTABLE for bigotry and trying to take away a group’s rights. I’m sorry that *being held accountable* makes you feel “persecuted”, lol. I guess when, up until the last 4 or 5 decades, you guys *had practically all the power in society and could repress LGBTers as much as you wanted*, it IS quite a “shock” when someone calls you out and demands to be treated equal under the law. And doesn’t lie down and “take it” like a “good gay that knows his place”

      • Brandon Broze

        The Religious Right’s persecution complex is really getting old. You sound little better than the a-hole segregationists of yesteryear (e.g. George Wallace) who FELT REALLY PERSECUTED AND “OPPRESSED” BECAUSE THEY COULD NO LONGER HOLD BACK BLACKS. And deny them service…

      • Randy Nichols

        HA HA.. persecution complex… get out your dictionary. You are claiming persecution of homosexuals only because we do not participate in your activities. You do have the right to re-define the english language. It is an insult to AA’s that you even compare this to their plight. A black man walks into a business everyone knows he is black. Gays are not a race, gender, or ethnicity, they are behavior defined, so they walk into a business know one knows they are gay since they are indistinguishable unless they proclaim it. That is a huge difference and your attempt to equate that to the suffering AA’s suffered is insulting,

      • Kathy Fillman

        There has been no reason to. Only hate filled people like you do we “take on”.

      • Nordic Templar

        Coward

      • Randy Nichols

        Kathy, if you want to take on hate, look in the mirror, that is where you will see it first.

      • lexingtonnchick

        NO reason to take on the Muslims? When they take over and cut your damn head off in 20 years you will feel different. “WE” take on? Muslims hate gays more than any other culture. ARE YOU REALLY THAT STUPID?

      • Brandon Broze

        and you wonder why people complain about anti-Muslim bigotry and Islamophobia?

      • lexingtonnchick

        I don’t know Pam- sorry. I have met plenty of Muslims when i was doing my 4 tours in Iraq and 2 in Afghanistan. I have met many who are wonderful people and I have seen others who are downright inhumane and use children as suicide bombers without respect for their lives. I have seen children – especially girls treated like garbage and women abused for no reason. I have been in the real world- i have served my country for 26 years, I have a gay daughter – who thank God is not part of they Gaystapo. I see they want Sharia law in the US- and the liberal nutjobs think they should have it. Bottom line is everyone is entitled to their beliefs even if they are different than yours.

      • Jeff McLeroy

        Well Kathy is retarded…They only put them in prison, or hang them…or both…

      • Dave Wukusick

        I love lesbians…in fact I was born one…ask my wife!!!

      • Dave Wukusick

        Wiat for it…..the muslims decapitate homosexuals……..or didn’t you know that?

      • alex

        If Christians had it their way, there would be a lot of dead gay people atm,

      • Dave Wukusick

        Actually, that is a false statement you have made.

      • Randy Nichols

        Exaclty, they want to keep their heads attached… they really know that Christians are not as mean as they make us out to be.

      • modera8

        Don’t use Ian’s photo and write such crap, please.

      • Kaye Dyer

        And, this is the United States. Our country… we do not do things like that. We also do not cut on hands, legs, etc because of a crime. What is wrong with you.

      • Nordic Templar

        There are plenty of Muslims in OUR country . I don’t see the gaystapo targeting them . What a bunch of cowards .

      • Kathy Fillman

        I haven’t seen or heard of any Muslims doing a public interview on national TV refusing do do something they weren’t even asked to do.

      • Nordic Templar

        The reporter ambushed the pizza shop , they never asked for an interview . The media will never try the same thing on a Muslim bakery or any business . They are only after Christian scalps . Like I said , cowards .

      • Randy Nichols

        Steven Crowder sent a reporter to several muslim bakeries in Dearborn MI, many refused to make a same sex wedding cake, and did so on camera. You won’t see MSM doing it, and you will not see homofascist going to them to set them up either, This whole issue is to attack Christians. As recently as the 90’s the left made fun of family and marriage, and marriage was being belittled as an institution, and the left tried to eliminate tax breaks for married couples. Now to them marriage has become sacred right. The contradictions are laughable.

      • Sam2001

        Sorry, it never really happened. Crowder simply edit the raw footage to make it look that way. He admitted it in an interview he gave to Western Journalism on April 3. http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-interview-behind-scenes-look-steven-crowders-viral-muslim-bakery-video/
        In the interview, Crowder made the following statement about the Muslim baker he met: ”

        “Many were very friendly,” he acknowledged, adding that “no one said ‘No, we won’t do it.’”

        That’s right — Crowder admits ALL the Muslim bakers were willing to bake a cake for a gay wedding — even the ones shown.

      • Sam2001 once again making up stuff.

        Please, if you are going to go to the length of quoting, include the whole truth.

        This is the second time I have found your “truth” lacking.

        If you need to lie to support your cause, does that tell you anything?

        Crowder did nothing like admit that “ALL muslim bakers were willing to bake a cake for a gay wedding — even the ones shown.”

        WesternJournalism went on to say “Nevertheless, Crowder said roughly half of all the businesses he visited gave him “the runaround” and suggested he would be better served at another bakery.”
        That does not sound like your “ALL muslim bakers…” claim.

        Why, I wonder, do you feel the need to lie?

      • Paul Duca

        It’s not like Christian scalps are useful for anything….just like the people to whom they were attached.

      • Nordic Templar

        Ahhh more hate from the party of compassion and tolerance . You never disappoint , do you .

      • Randy Nichols

        Muslim bakers have refused to do same sex wedding cakes. Some reasons that no one will make an issue of it is, that the homofascist are supporting anyone that is anti-christian, and they are afraid of the muslims. In this country since gun loving religious fanatic christians are not really as mean as they like to paint us to be, they feel safe in attacking us.

      • Nordic Templar

        Exactly!

      • lexingtonnchick

        what about the gay bakeries that won’t do Christian cakes? Hypocrites.

      • Jean Wagner

        Never happened. What did happen is Ted Shoebat called 13 gay bakers and asked them to bake a wedding cake for him a straight man. He wanted them to put on the top of the cake “gay marriage is wrong”. The first bakery he called didn’t even make cakes, they specialized in cookies. The other bakers refused to make a cake that has a hateful message. Everyone, including Christian bakers, has the right to refuse to to put a hateful message on their product whether that product is a cake, a t-shirt, etc.

        I suspect that if Ted told the gay bakers that he wanted wedding cake for himself and his wife without demanding they include hateful language, they would all be happy to do. But Ted did ‘t do that so we’ll never know.

      • Sam2001

        You are talking about a video Steven Crowder aired on his youtube site this past week. His edited version of the video shows what looks like 3 Muslims bakers refusing to make the cake.

        Sorry, it never really happened. Crowder simply edited the raw footage to make it look that way. And he willingly admitted he did it. So stop spreading lies!!!

        He admitted this fact in an interview he gave to Western Journalism on April 3. http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-interview-behind-scenes-look-steven-crowders-viral-muslim-bakery-video/

        In the interview, Crowder made the following statement about the Muslim baker he met: ”

        “Many were very friendly,” he acknowledged, adding that “no one said ‘No, we won’t do it.’”

        That’s right — Crowder admits ALL the Muslim bakers were willing to bake a cake for a gay wedding — even the ones shown.

        This is not the first time he edited a video to tell a lie. FOX aired a video Crowder made which seemed to show him getting punched in the face by a protesting union worker. The county DA started an investigation to see what charges should be filed. Then someone sent him a copy of the raw footage. Turned out the union worker had been trying to defend himself against that Crowder and Crowder’s assistant after they pushed the man down to the ground and were moving in to attack the man again. The DA stopped the investigation at that point.

      • Ed Beery

        There is this notion about the truth.

        It goes like this: “The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth”

        It would seem Sam2001 that you did not provide “the whole truth”.
        Western journalism went on to say “Nevertheless, Crowder said roughly half of all the businesses he visited gave him “the runaround” and suggested he would be better served at another bakery.”

        Wonder why you left out part of the truth?

      • Jean Wagner

        The implied purpose of Crowder’s video was to show that Muslim bakers also discriminated against gays. The issue at hand is simple — did Muslim bakers discriminate against a gay man who simply wanted a cake for his gay wedding. Crowder edited his video to make it appear that at least 3 Muslim baker did indeed refuse to bake a wedding cake for him. Sorry, but he lied and that is the truth.

        Since when is getting the run around from a business the same thing as that business discriminating against someone? If getting the runaround is THE same as discrimination , then I have a list of about 100 businesses I need to sue. Now if Crowder’s purpose of the video was to show that some Muslim bakers might direct you to another shop or give you what you might think is the runaround, then and only then would you you have a valid point. That wasn’t the purpose of the video and you know it.

        I’m not even sure Crowder was completely honest implying the bakers the gave him the run around as a way to avoid the whole gay cake issue. It was obvious in many of the shots, the clerks were having a hard time understanding Crowder or want he wanted especially with regards to having a photo copied on the top of the cake. I heard the word Kroger mention a number of times. At 2:14 mark, Crowder tells the baker he wants the photo image on the cake and man says in heavily accented English — no machine go Kroger. Is it really the run around if the business doesn’t have the right stuff to do the job? How many businesses would be willing to point you someone could do job, even if it was the competition?

        As I said above, this is not the first time Crowder has been shown to misrepresent the truth? The man is a proven liar so why should I take anything he says as at face value. I do not tolerate liars nor will I trust them until they can prove they have changed and are now trustworthy.

      • A review by paragraph:
        1) You lay claim to knowledge about how a video was edited and accept your claim as fact and proof of someone else’s lie. I don’t think there is enough evidence to convict someone of lying with what you have, especially if that conviction has to do with your disagreement with Crowder and not facts.
        2) If a “run around” is perfectly fine, I would think there is no problem. Your standard then is that it is fine for a business to do a run around to run off a customer. That would be pretty easy to do and any company could use that tactic to deny service to anyone.
        Your second comment about the validity of my point I think completely missed my point. My point was simple: Sam2001 left out content and then lied about “ALL the Muslim bakers”. My point is the standard of truth: all three components: truth, whole truth, nothing but truth. Sam2001 failed that standard on both the second and third elements.
        3) Crowder blocked the “Kroger” argument by backing off that request for only words on the cake. Your position seems tortured with a good deal of presumption or interpretation on your part.
        Let’s be realistic regarding the fact that Sharia law proscribes death for homosexual behaviors.
        4) You claim that Crowder is a “proven liar” without any evidence of support. I had no exposure to Crowder prior to this exchange and thus have nothing on your seemingly presumed historical proof. You write as if Crowder’s lying is common knowledge. It is not.
        The fact is that Sam2001 is indeed a proven liar: they did not tell the whole truth, and used the space created by that action to fill in something that was indeed untrue, thus failing the standard for truth on 2 of 3 levels.

        Thanks for engaging. Truth is very important, and, like the now overly common claim of racism, really should require a high standard of proof before leveling an accusation.
        This needs to be all about bringing folks together.
        We will never get there with lies, which is why I called Sam2001 out.

      • Jean Wagner

        Do not put words in my mouth and twist them. You read the link to the interview where Crowder admitted that all the Muslim bakers were willing to bake the cake. The truth is you don’t like the fact that anyone, myself included, pointed out the fact that a conservative Christian used his video to distort the truth.

        Frankly, you can accuse me of whatever you want because I know that what I said was true. All I see is a little man who has to twist words and change their meaning so he can declare victory for himself. Your own words betray you when you say all you want to do is bring people together.

        I’ve wasted too much time on someone who thinks he alone has all the answers. I only wish I could be around to see you at 60 when you finally have enough life experience when you realize you don’t have all the answers — you didn’t even know what questions were. With that, I’ll go back to the real world. Don’t bother to write, I have more important things to do.

      • Wow Jean, I guess I am disappointed in the angry and vitriol filled response.
        I hope you can find a way to let go of your hatred and engage in a more civil way.
        I have made no personal attacks on you, and I did not put words in your mouth, yet you claim that I believe I have “all the answers”. I wonder why you claim that, because I certainly do not have all the answers, nor did I suggest that in my comments. But I do believe that real answers can be found. And that to find them, we must be truthful always.
        I think the kind of attacking, poke them in the eye attitude is really doing damage to our country.
        Best of luck to you. And please consider adding some civility to your exchanges going forward. When we get emotional (myself very much included) we tend to lash out irrationally, and the discussion devolves into name calling. Nothing then is achieved.

      • Sam2001

        First point no one could target anyone if they were not discriminating against others. Show us your proof that gays are refusing to go after Muslims in this country. Just because you don’t see it means nothing. Lastly, Muslims are not trying to pass laws that make it legal to discriminating against gays. It is the conservative Christians like you.

      • Nordic Templar

        Nobody was discriminated against, try again .

      • Show us your proof that you are not a pedophile megalomaniac.
        Can’t bring forth that “proof”, well, it must be true then right?
        Or, how about you show us your “proof” that gays are going after Muslims. Can’t? hummm…
        Regarding Muslims passing laws for discriminating against gays: Muslims want Sharia law. Sharia law proscribes death for homosexuals. Wake up.

      • Greg S.

        “No one could could target anyone if they were not discriminating against others.” Well lets tell the slaves and the holocaust victims to stop their whining then.

      • Brandon Broze

        There are less than FIVE MILLION Muslims in the US today! That PALES in comparison to 200 million+ SO-CALLED CHRISTIANS who hold *loads more power* within our society! Your “argument”- assuming you made one- is bullsh!t, and you know it. Why would I waste time focusing on some small-fries “threat” here at home when THE REAL THREATS (i.e. those radicals w/ actual power, by and large) are a diff. group? You guys bring up the Muslim sh*t either out of sheer bigotry against Muslims or as a DISTRACTION against what your fundie peers in Christendom are doing. STOP IT

      • Nordic Templar

        I don’t like Muslims or gays , you deserve each other . I don’t know which one you are , but you don’t sound Muslim to me , so that kinda narrows it down now doesn’t it

      • Kathy Fillman

        No we torture and water board and rape prisoners in the name of the US government.

      • Nordic Templar

        HAPPY EASTER ! C U Next Tuesday !

      • Kaye Dyer

        Kathy, you are right. My post didn’t read the way I had it in my head. We care here, because it is our country and just because some other country does it does not mean we should. We need to strive to be better.

      • Randy Nichols

        Kaye, that sounds really nice. It would be so wonderful if the world worked that way. Those that wish ill on us count on your very naive attitude and that is why they will shout loudly against our tactics when they themselves do not have problem with them, but they rely on the naivete of those like yourself to then pressure our government not to use those tactics. The ancient greeks lost their civilization because they lost the ability to exercise barbarism when they had to. When they hate our very being our individual freedom and want to dominate us, Love and Kindness is not going to win them over.

      • lexingtonnchick

        Kathy Fillman- f-off. Have you ever faced these prisoners? Have you seen what they have done to Americans? Have you ever been to Iraq or Afghanistan? Do you know what ISIS really is? No- you sit on your fat @$$ at home watching CNN cuz you can’t get off the couch.

      • Randy Nichols

        I would like to add, that if Kathy has time to see the talking points from CNN or MSNBC daily, she could take a little more time and research the facts.

      • Brandon Broze

        2 wrong don’t make a right… Torture doesn’t suddenly become “OK” simply because the folks being tortured are “really bad and evil”, ffs. Arguing in such a manner is practically *psychopathic*

      • Brandon Broze

        In the end, they’re still human beings. Once captured, we shouldn’t *stoop to their level while all the while claiming the moral highground*

      • lexingtonnchick

        Well you hold their hands and sing songs and rub their backs to get answers – but when its your family they blow up or shoot down- then talk.

      • Randy Nichols

        Kathy, ever had an original idea or thought of your own?

      • X Y

        Your government does….but you are part of the government?
        I’m not.
        I’m opposed to the government.
        But you may label yourself as you wish.

      • Neil

        @fugazi71:disqus – Apple just refused to do business with Indiana but at the same time signed an agreement to do business in Saudi Arabia where they stone women “allegedly” caught in adultery, kill homosexuals, support murdering of infidels, etc.

      • Julie Marie Totsch

        That’s false. Apple did not refuse to do business with Indiana. If you’re going to post, at least check your facts first.

      • Jean Wagner

        If you mean kill, then you must include American conservative Christians as individuals who have kill or attack LGBT individuals. I suggest you read FBI hate crime statistics as I have and you will that on average, each year, at least 2 dozen or more LGBT individuals are murdered by individuals who are identified conservative Christians. Thousands more LGBT individuals are attacked, , often brutally, each year and almost always it was done by one or more conservative Christian. I have yet to find even one example of a conservative Christian being murdered or physically attacked because of their beliefs. Just today, the Orlando police department reported an arrest they made this weekend involving two brothers, aged 14 and 16 who attacked a homeless man simply because he was gay. BTW, I looked at Saudi Arabia statistics regarding LGBT individuals. On average, 10 LGBT individuals are arrested each year. While their laws say such individuals are guilty of crimes, I looked several of data and I found that around 70% received another firm of punishment — a 1000+ lashes. While I believe even one lash is one too many, the Saudi show some grain of mercy. Only a relatively few lashes were giving at one time. The individual was given a few weeks to recover before the next set of lashes. Instead of merely parroting what conservatives say, I strongly suggest you check out the facts yourself. You won’t appear to be so foolish.

      • Jeff McLeroy

        WHOA! A Dozen??? That equals to what? How many were killed in Iran by hanging? How many arrested in Saudi Arabia…

      • Jeff McLeroy

        Lets see they beat gays, hang gays, and of course mutilate them. I can see how that someone equals not getting a slice of pizza….morons

    • omega2

      I am sure you will LOVE THE MUSLIM style of living! EITHER CONVERT OR DIE! LOVELY BUNCH DONT YOU THINK WITH ALL THE CHRISTIAN AND NON BELIVERS BEING HACKED TO DEATH BY THESE BUTCHERS!

      • Jezzer

        If it’ll persuade you to lay off your stupid Caps Lock key, I say bring on the machete-wielding mobs.

      • marshwill

        If I see any, I’ll try to point them in your direction!

      • Scott Gibson
      • Mike Armstrong

        No that was Christian way of conversion, Islam actually is against forced conversion. They just tax you, of course that’s not something most people understand, it requires research…

      • Dave Wukusick

        Yes, the tax is your life!!!!

      • marshwill

        You make that up yourself or did some other idiot help you with it??

      • Kathy Fillman

        Truth bother you much there mismatch?

      • Randy Nichols

        Kathy, the left and the leftist media spew your kind of nonsense aimed at the uninformed, it is not intended for those that know. So you sound really silly when you make your stupid little comments believing you have truth on your side. Most people that visit forums such as this know the truth, or are part of pushing the lie… you hateful little comments don’t intimidate anyone, I know what you repeat is rhetoric meant for the low information crowd… I just get embarrassed for you that you.

      • Randy Nichols

        You don’t get out much huh? There is over 100 dead Kenyans that would disagree with you.

      • Kathy Fillman

        Yeah because “Christians” would NEVER do anything like that. Read some history get some perspective.

    • Kharon

      You are truly delusional

    • Betty Jarrell

      What about the man who called 13 gay owned bakeries to have the bake a cake for his pro traditional marriage event and not one would do it as it went against their beliefs? Hypocrite much! Same standards for all or freedom for none. It goes both ways

      • sonoitabear

        “What about the man who called 13 gay owned bakeries to have the bake a
        cake for his pro traditional marriage event and not one would do it as
        it went against their beliefs?”

        You mean the right-wing-whacko who demanded the bakeries engage in hate-speech? Pfft…

      • Randy Nichols

        Just so I understand you correctly, you are saying that just saying something positive about Christians, or stating an opinion on same sex marriage that is opposed to your opinion is hate speech? That sounds very fascist of you as you engaged in hate speech to make your point. You could not counter it with anything but name calling.

      • Sam2001

        You got the story wrong. The man you are talking is Theodore Shoebat and he did indeed call 13 gay owned bakeries. He did try order a cake but he wanted to have the baker put the words “gay marriage is wrong” printed on top. Guess what, that is not the same thing as just ordering a simply wedding cake. It has everything to do with hateful speech. It has nothing to do with religious beliefs. All businesses have the right to refuse service that is unreasonable such as hate speech. The Constitutional right to Freedom of Speech applies to what the government can and can not censor. It doesn’t apply to when it only involves two or more private citizens. You can’t force T-shirt store to put hate speech on a t shirt. A Christian baker can legally refused to bake a cake for someone to who wants hate speech on their cake. I’m sorry that this very simply concept is too advance for you to gasp.

    • Linda Karen Taylor

      I agree with Jennifer.

    • Neil

      @georgewvein:disqus – The Left and the Right try to convince other of their political, ethical and moral views. That’s exactly why everyone is here posting their “message”.

    • Banjo

      The issue was not forcing others into believing the way the pizza place does, but not BEING forced into participating in something. Don’t skew or spin the issue!
      Liberals are as much bigots as they allege others are!

    • Randy Nichols

      George it is just words when you do not have anything to back it up. What example can you site of the right wanting to take away free speech gays, muslims etc….To clarify, you don’t get to make the rules and count it when we defend ourselves.. that is defense against your hate speech. The rhetoric from the left is intended for low information people, it is hilarious how some of you take it in, and run to the forums to repeat it, that is intended for low information crowd that does not participate in forum discussions.

    • Jeff McLeroy

      I think Muslims and gays get along worse than the EVIL Christians who wont serve them a slice of pizza…They get put to death by Muslims :) Perhaps we should do the same, we get accused as being the same

    • Leende

      What a liar you are if anything Christians would like to be left alone.You do know what muslims do to gays don’t you.

    • Jerry Singleton

      That is simply not true. As a member of the religious right, I believe that you are entitled to believe what you wish. I have nothing against any other group of people (you supply YOUR lable). However, it is my right of freedom that I don’t have to agree with them. Not agreeing doesn’t equate to HATE!!!

    • Scott Smith

      Actually only the repressive progressives do that.

  • bestfriend

    Is this any more of a conspiracy than the outrage over the woman’s comments?

  • tom

    I see a civil war coming our way if the righties do not stop with their attacks on freedom.

    • Sam Lee

      That’s a war you do NOT want to see my friend.

    • Brad Rogers

      Hmm, the right has all the guns, let’s hope not.

      • isaboutu

        No they don’t……..you just think you do.

      • Bibi

        Yes, they do; Liberals have been “de-gunned” by political correctness.

      • @gijanetexas

        Some people prefer to live their life more like Jesus rather than like Pontius Pilate.

      • marshwill

        Yes….. especially a lot of Christians.

      • isaboutu

        Keep thinking that and everything will be okay .

      • Can someone please tell me if I’m a liberal? I think gay-married couples oughtta be able to defend their marijuana fields with AK-47s. I love capitalism, within limits andlibraries, unconditionally, and I think libertarians and communists are idiots. Any help, here? Cuz I’m only sure about two things; I’m a Christian, for one, and for two, MAYBE God can sort this out. I’d hold out more hope, but I know men better than I know God. ….Jes’ sayin’.

      • Tom C

        From your first line your a libertarian. I hate to break it to ya but, WELCOME!

      • Wendell Pru

        lol keep believing that if you want…Not everyone is foolish enough to announce to the world what happens when a line gets crossed by an opponent…

      • @gijanetexas

        More liberal gun owners than you would believe. We just don’t walk through the mall showing them off like a new purse.

      • Paul Higley

        And probably have no idea how to use them. They are only tools you know, It is not that you can hit a paper target in your back yard or the shooting range. Well, when the time comes you will learn quickly.

      • Paul Sanders

        the liberals try to take away everyone else’s firearms while secretly keeping their own. they are tyrants.

      • Brad Rogers

        I’m a liberal without a gun.

      • Randy Nichols

        As is your right. As long as you don’t infringe on others rights to own guns you are fine.

      • Brad Rogers

        I never would. No one ever said liberals would. Today in arguing against points no one ever made…

      • Randy Nichols

        I have yet to meet a liberal gun owner, a few anarchist, libertarians, and many that do not consider themselves political, but if you nailed them down on what they believe they would be conservative. I don’t doubt there is a few skeet shooters out there that are liberal, and some hard cores that think they are communist, but it you are implying you would have the strength to take on the right in a shooting war, I would take that bet.

      • Guest

        Well you just met one. straight up liberal in Texas with a 45 desert Eagle…we have had ak-47’s and sks’s’s in our time.We just don’t go all crazy on the second amendment.

      • Randy Nichols

        You know it would be possible to be pro 2nd amendment, and be liberal in other areas, I am amazed how so many liberal are straight down the line on most issues with the left. I would have guessed you were a Texan since in Texas dems and liberals would be right wing in many other states LOL.. .I am north Texas guy myself. Desert Eagle is a hand full. I am proud of you, not only pro gun but an Israeli gun at that. You do know there many on left that would really hate you for owning those guns. But as a Texan like most Texans I am individualist, and don’t tow a party line.

    • DP

      Freedom??? You can’t reconize freedom if it’s right in front of your face.
      That’s right continue promoting a civil war against the side that’s far more heavily armed. LOL

      • Are you encouraging armed civil unrest? I don’t think the Koch Bros. or James O’Keefe will be able to bail you out of that.

      • DP

        As a veteran, I don’t rely on those that been counting money all their lives. I count on those that have served and those that are serving.

      • As a veteran, I see the Rambo bullshit you’ve posted elsewhere bragging about your military experience (not “service”; you obviously “served” nobody or nothing other than yourself and your own fevered ego) and pulling out your big gun, and I surmise that you are severely overcompensating for some sort of “shortcoming” in your life.

        And really? Upvoting your own comment? You really have no sense of shame.

      • DP

        Chad sweety, I’m the real deal. No brag, just facts. If you need a face to face I believe we can accommodate this and convince you otherwise.
        Keyboard commandos are a dime a dozen here cup cake.

        As for over compensating, we’ll leave that up to you once we get that face to face cup cake.

      • Yep, overcompensating.

      • DP

        Please try for a more manly respond by the time I get back from my motorcycle ride cup cake.

      • Vroom vroom, Fonzie.

      • Zachary Taylor

        Sorry dude…but YOU”RE the one calling another dude cupcake and sweetie…… just callin it like I see it!

      • DP

        Since I’m replying to a gay supporter it’s comprehension in getting my point across dude.

      • DP

        I believe Ol George Soros is the far left puppet master here. You’re his pawns.

      • Darth Darth Binks

        How do you know the next civil war will be fought with guns? That’s *so* 1860s. The next civil war will be fought online.

      • DP

        Then you’ll be fighting among yourselves. While the rest of us laugh all the way to the bank.

      • Darth Darth Binks

        You mean the bank that got hacked and all your money is gone? Yeah, alright.

      • DP

        No, your piggy bank.

      • I’mRightYerWrong

        Wow. Such an educated response!

      • DP

        A response never the less at the correct level that you were able to comprehend.

      • Darth Darth Binks

        You sound like a socially dysfunctional child. I think I’ll leave you to your little world. Cheers!

      • alex

        freedom is limiting human rights?

      • DP

        When it’s limiting the rights of one group yes. The pizzeria owner has the right to serve or cater anyone she pleases, forcing her to go against her regilous beliefs is limiting her freedom. If you don’t like the policy of one business, you go elsewhere. I don’t go to Starbucks because of their anti firearm policies. I don’t protest Starbucks to go against their beliefs just to satisfy my beliefs, I shop else where.

    • Bibi

      You’ll get one in response to your bigotry against Christians.

      • @gijanetexas

        So much for living a Christ-like life. And tell me how many wars did Jesus start and how many guns did he own?

      • Tom C

        Its called Christophobia (the hatred/fear of Christians)…. please start using this term.

      • marshwill

        If we call it Christophobia, will it help to identify those holding that view as BIGOTS?

    • Paul Sanders

      you are the ones attacking freedom. you are a terrorist by definiton. you use force or threats of force to make others comply with your beliefs. nobody has a right to anyone else’s time or services.

      • alex

        now lets all start a war on the gays because they are soooooo oppresive in being able to stop religious bigots hiding behind their bible.

      • DP

        Religious bigots? Isnt that the same as gay bigots?

      • alex

        not really, gay people are constantly bombarded with hate historically speaking, there is a huge movement in glbt civil rights and somehow christians ( not all) feel threatened by this. And gay people arent bigots, I care deeply for all religions and have much tolerance for diversity. I dont agree with some of the clever tactics these people are doing to make themselves look like victims,.. how many teenagers commited suicide because they get teased and bullied for being straight? probably next to none. Christianity is highly celebrated in the US, i can respect that. Where i draw the line is brining religion into politics, gay people deserve civil protections because people do attack them for the simple fact they are gay. and homophobia in general is religion induced. That doesnt make me a gay bigot, it makes me concerned for our protections as i fear this might cause an influx in further justifying discrimination and intolerance towards homosexuals. I dont understand why Christians feel threatened when they are the ones trying to limit Gay rights?

      • DP

        I agree with most of what you posted. Christians feel threaten because there’s a war against us globally. BTW There’s no such animal as “gay rights” or straight rights, only human rights.

      • alex

        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    • fugazi71

      I’m not even a “righty” or republican but I’d love to watch all 30 seconds of that “civil war” unfold – talk about a liberal bloodbath…

    • marshwill

      What do you think the results of the lefties encroaching on individual rights and religious liberties might be?? Sounds like it could get interesting but, really, it has always taken two sides to produce a civil war.

    • Randy Nichols

      Civil ware huh, I could have hada lot of fun with you.

  • Chris Hadrick

    this article doesn’t make any sense. how is it a scam? if the Blaze gets publicity from this there is nothing illegal about that. As long as they hand over all the money to the pizza place it was pretty much just a really smart move. I’d say cut your losses and move on and don’t try this sort of thing again.

    the Chik Fil A effect>

    • Sam Lee

      Just goes to prove that there are a lot more good American people than there are smart ass sour grape farmers.

      • alex

        being a good american is donating to cancer kids on the same website who only get like 1k yet this petty bs is reaching 1 million . There is plenty to suggest it may be a publicity stunt.

      • blockthiscnn

        There’s also plenty of evidence that you beat your significant other and drink the blood of puppies. You’ve just got that look in your eye. I’ve seen your type before.

      • “Good american people” didn’t hound the O’Connors out of business, and “good american people” didn’t contribute to the O’Connors’ cause, either.

      • Wes Cptawsm May

        I think we’ve seen ample evidence from both sides of the political spectrum of bad seeds and cowards who attack with relentless force anyone who they disagree with. The threats against the owners are no different than right wing hysterics’ threats against people who lobby for firearm restrictions. Or who work in clinics that offer abortion services. Or happen to be part of a country music act whose leader spoke out against a president’s war-mongering. There are bad actors online in any forum and in any subject from politics to pop-culture. They exploit the anonymity of the online world to terrorize opponents. They bully and slander and say the most vicious things imaginable. But let’s not pretend that the vitriolic attacks from the right aren’t as prevalent and arguably more vicious than the ones from trolls in the far left. I don’t know why it’s so difficult to just boycott and avoid businesses or people who engage in practices that run counter to personal beliefs if it’s such an affront to them. Terrorist threats, death threats and hateful language lower our side to the same depths that the right gleefully wallow in. I prefer to rise above, or, as is the case here, ignore the situation since it’s in Indiana and not where I live. People can decide for themselves whether to support these people or not.

      • Jim K

        Wes, if you are going to say that both sides engage in hate, I will certainly agree with you. BUT you don’t really, because you use language like (the right is) more viscous and the “depths the right gleefully wallow in”. Take a look around, man! On this very page, there are people saying the hope people “burn in hell.”

    • Well, the scam, IMO, is that RFRA supporters are being told that this GoFundMe cash is ‘manna from heaven’, showered on the righteous pizza bigots by God-Fearing, Red-Blooded white Christian Americans, whereas it appears to be funded by the very same folks that wrote the SB101 in its original form, then lied to Indiana legislators about the bill’s intent.HAVE I GOT THAT ABOUT RIGHT? (caps for emphasis, not screaming. Oh, OK, then I’M SCREAMING!)

      • Chris Hadrick

        the page isn’t funded by anybody except the donors who are listed as they donate.

        the title of this article implies that people were somehow being cheated out of their money or something.

        this article is a scam

  • maritzka

    Walkerton, Indiana is a little rural town of 2,400, built on one square mile. The big event there is the Walkerton livestock auction where farmers come to buy and auction off farm animals. This is also where you take your animals to be slaughtered and packaged for the freezer. I mostly saw farmers in bib overalls and quite a few Amish frequent the auction driving horse and buggy.
    They would have to have sold a lot of Pizza for a lot of years to bank 500,000.

    • Michael Mowgli

      Abattoir.

    • DP

      Now thanks to your side’s bullying, they can now retire wealthy or relocate and open another business. Don’t you just love a happy out come.

      • I’mRightYerWrong

        One business profits whle the rest of the state suffers. Yeah, that’s republican thinking alright.

      • marshwill

        If the goon squad is upset by that, they might have had the forethought to leave the family alone and not attack them from all over the nation. Not Republican thinking necessarily. Just good people taking care of the oppressed. Democrats are welcome to think like that also but you seem to be telling me that they ordinarily do not.

      • I’mRightYerWrong

        “Just good people taking care of the oppressed.” But it’s ok to oppress gay people and not provide them services that your business provides everyone else?

      • You can’t retire wealthy on $500k in this country, not even this state. (maybe in El Salvador or Costa Rica, but no hoosier learns another language voluntarily, LOL) They don’t need to retire and they don’t need to pull up stakes; they’ll change the business name and number and maybe move the shop and re-open after the furor dies down.

      • DP

        It’s over $600K now. Which would you rather have, $600K in an investment portfolio or living on $1K a month on welfare in section 8 housing? So the answer is yes, you can retire on $600K if you’re smart enough to invest it. $600K brings $60K a yr at 10% perpetually.
        And the cool part, as a couple, their federal tax bill would be ZERO. Since its unearned income and falls under capital gains category, they can realize up to $70K a yr and not pay a dime in federal taxes.

      • Steve

        How horribly prejudiced. Yet another example from the left.

  • $821,156 donated by 28,348 people. That’s an average donation of less than $29 per person. Since LBJ III has ties to O’Keefe and the Super Koch Brothers, it’s hard for me not to wonder if a lot of this cash isn’t from the “petty cash” jar of someone’s war chest.

    • DP

      Jealous are we? lol

      • Two hayseeds with methmouth who are going to personally meet the IRS sooner or later aren’t jealousy-inspiring in the slightest..

      • isaboutu

        Yes..but who cares ?It was probably orchestrated that way so they COULD make the money and the neocons fell for it.

      • Oh, this is an early candidate for scam of the year. It’s important to expose it as such, though.

      • Bryan Hann

        Methmouth?

    • alex

      plz look at some facebook profiles and their networks of the hateful bigots every1, I think its all staged so they can say LOOK WERE BEING OPPRESSED, why else start all this trouble?

      • People are already taking notes on them.

      • Paul Sanders

        look up the definiton of a terrorist. because that is what you folk are. using force and threats of force to achieve a political goal.

      • alex

        im not using threats, im simply trying to figure out what is going on here and why there are people so persistant in ruffling feathers, i think its intentional.

      • Mm. There’s force and the threat of force; those are often in service of ‘enforcing’ societal rules. One could consider that bullying, but I think ‘terrorism’ requires a higher standard; a threat of violence, and particularly a threat against noncombatants; people who didn’t sign up to lose their lives over a principle.

      • marshwill

        Like the pizza shop family, for example!! (That’s a double exclamation, Chad. I guess it’s an emphatic statement although it could be a rhetorical question not needing an answer.)

      • Bryan Hann

        Would you consider the pizza shop owners “combatants” or “noncombatants” in your use of the phrase, Mojo?

      • In the culture wars? Yes, they’d be combatants, wittingly or not; since they opened their yap to a reporter, they’ve clearly exposed themselves to ridicule and worse. In business, them’s the breaks.

      • Bryan Hann

        They exposed themselves to ridicule, yes. In business them’s the breaks, yes.

        But I think that the word ‘combatant’ does not mean what I think you think it means.

      • marshwill

        Though this one is pretty big, IF you think this is a singular event, you are not keeping up with the news. The goon squads are on the move.

    • Paul Sanders

      Are you one of the terrorists trying to use force and threats of force to get your way.

      • No.

        And you should have used a question mark at the end of your sentence.

        Next?

      • Paul Sanders

        LMAO…. When they have no argument, they start with the name calling and gramar correction. Excuse me, I wasn’t aware this was being handed in for a grade. I see you were able to figure it out though, Even without the question mark. Did you really need puncuation to figure out it was a question. (?) gotta put that in, don’t wanna get slammed again. lol

      • Re-read my reply. In no way did I resort to name-calling.

        As far as grammar correction, I would hope a proud flag-waving patriot like you would take pride in what they post for a worldwide audience. I apologize profusely if this is not the case.

      • Bryan Hann

        And you did answer his question forthrightly, Chad. Good on ya.

    • Who would have 20k bogus PayPal accounts? I mean there are plenty of fake Twitter accounts, Youtube and Spotify plays can be bought, but I mean really, the KGB wouldn’t need that many, the CIA could afford ’em, but why bother? The Supreme Court already said $ is speech. There’s plenty of arch-neocon wingnuts with that kinda cash, but the majority must be nickel and dimers. Also, there will indeed be tax consequences for the O’Connors, if they do anything other than donate all the money. also, at somebody upthread, the bible is NOT a marriage manual, and marriage is in fact, a civil matter; you can get handfasted, married, joined, jump a broom, crush a goblet, none of that shit matters til you go to the court clerk and get a license from…the government. God is just a guest at that ceremony.

    • Bryan Hann

      Thank you for the insight into your psychology Chad :)

  • Toast Points

    Hope the tax man takes Crystal O’Connor and her racist dad to the cleaners.

    • DP

      You obivously haven’t any sort of understanding in US tax laws concerning donations and losses. Then again your wallet is a home to moths.

      • Do you? Presumably, these clowns who have failed at their profession of choice for a good portion of the time they’ve pursued it are about to be handed the better portion of over $800k.

      • Paul Sanders

        isn’t it great…. it’s called freedom… or would you like to terrorize this family some more with your tolerance.

      • They asked for the TV time. This whole fiasco was set up.

      • If they asked for time on Hannity, they’re not near as dumb as they look. Letting slickers and suckers think you’re naive is maybe the oldest trick in the hillbilly book. Ask me how I know… 😀

      • Randy Nichols

        How was it set up? The reporter had been scouring the state looking for one business that said they would not participate in same sex wedding. They found this pizza parlor who has never been asked to cater any kind of wedding and asked hypothetical question. The owner also stated that they had no issues with serving gay customers in their shop. It is uninformed people like you who chime in without a clue that leads to this kind of thing.

      • Please re-read the article, and you’ll find how “uninformed” I am.

      • Nordic Templar

        You’re not uninformed , you’re just a liar .

      • Please show where I lied about anything. Otherwise, stop trying to pollute the discussion with your bullroar.

      • marshwill

        The article at the head of this discussion is almost TOTALLY FALSE. I should have known it from the source. Yes, if you go by this tripe, you are totally uninformed!!!…… Or, like the author, simply a big time LIAR!!

      • So prove it wrong, or be quiet.

      • Cassandra

        Scouring the state? This pizza joint is 20 minutes away from the tv station. You’re buying a false narrative that’s been spun by the right wing news machine that’s trying to profit from the story. Not only have they benefited from the publicity and increased traffic to their site and channel, but isn’t The Blaze also getting a cut of the money donated at the Gofundme campaign? Of course they want to make these folks sound like they were preyed upon, but if they were it wasn’t by the reporter.

      • marshwill

        Correct. The reporter was naive but she might have failed to report that they had no problem serving gays or anybody else in their restaurant. They were preyed upon by intolerant liberal goon squads for no good reason. The TV station has probably benefited from the notoriety but the family business has been shut down by the militants and their threats of violence toward the establishment and the family since the story broke. I seriously doubt that The Blaze is taking a cent of the money donated. A journalist at The Blaze announced on her show that they had started the fund. It was actually started in the name of a staffer, I believe, for the benefit of the family whose business and lives were being threatened–all in the name of tolerance, mind you, so I guess some think that is OK. Count me and other good people out of that group.

      • Cassandra

        “Might have failed” Nope. You should watch the original news story, not the endless right wing echo chamber coverage afterward. Yes, they won’t deny service to gay people or anyone who comes in to eat. Yes, they’d refuse to do an order for a same sex wedding if asked because they think it’s wrong. If they’d stopped there it might not have been such a big story, but the owner went on to pontificate on how homosexuality is a choice, and since “they” choose to be gay he can choose not to serve “them”. He’s divorced, btw, which is a sin of no greater or lesser magnitude according to his Bible, so the hypocrisy is also what pushed a lot of buttons.

      • Randy Nichols

        Walkerton is a town of 2200 people, a small town where they were more likely to find individual owned business. They went to a pizza parlour, first who orders pizza for wedding? So why even approach this business? They chose one with openly Christian exhibits throughout the shop. They did not call the TV station, they did not seek out the reporter. How many bakeries, photographers, and florists did they strike out at before picking out this pizza shop. Then it was the extreme homofascist response of hate that cause the outpouring of support for this shop. You are making accusation against the Blaze? Do you have facts? Perhaps it was anti Christian homofascist that tipped off the reporter about Memories… This is just a case of fascist attempt to demonize these people and it backfired.

      • marshwill

        That is a damnable LIE.

      • fugazi71

        damn it you’ll be tolerant of my views if I have to kill you and your entire family in the process! – liberal logic

      • marshwill

        That’s about what it’s come to with THEM.

      • Expressing disapproval is one thing. Calling for a boycott is also a thing, but calling for volunteers to commit arson and other crimes is a crime in and of itself, and the people who did it should be prosecuted.I don’t support that, but it should be noted that it certainly wasn’t ‘just gays’ that did these things. In fact many gay folks of my acquaintance have spoken out against shaming thr O’Connors who never said they’d refuse to serve a gay person in the first place, only that they wouldn’t cater a gay wedding-and they don’t have a truck!

      • marshwill

        Reasonable gays have spoken out against all these BULLYING tactics. I’d be willing to bet that a LOT of gay-supportive NON-gays will also be a lot less vocal in their support as a result of this nonsense. Few people like BULLYING!! The liberal wackos seem to love it, though.

      • DP

        Yes I do, I haven’t paid a dime in Federal taxes in this century. It’s called capital gains and as long as you realize less than $70K a yr filing as a couple, thanks to obama, there’s no tax. I have little to no earned income to report, it’s a tax strategy I’ve planned for yrs. all legal. “It’s not how much you make, but how much you keep that counts”. ~ Ross Perot

      • Your stories get bigger and grander every time you post.

      • DP

        I told you earlier that I was the real deal. Now click on this & educate yourself: http://www.schwab.com/public/schwab/nn/articles/Taxes-Whats-New

      • “Real deal”, eh?

        I thought the proper term was still “douchecanoe”.

      • DP

        Chad, I just proved my assertion and you’re rebutal is one I expected from a pre teen. LOL

      • You’re a blowhard and a probable astroturfing shill. You are not to be taken seriously by any means.

      • DP

        Did reality just sunk in there Chad. I’ve proven my assertion, presented my reference that supports my assertion and now you’re calling me a “blowhard”. You really should be careful when you set that bar.
        The term, it must really $uck being you, rings true here. Next time choose wisely who’s leg you’re willing to hump on.

      • I’m a distant relative of Hillary Clinton. I could claim that means I have a lot of money and power, and while her being a relative of mine is a fact, the rest is false.

        You’re the same shit I saw on the internet twenty years ago, just in a slightly different package. You no more set the bar than you provoke anyone to actually think anything other than “Wow, that guy is full of shit”.

      • DP

        Chad my boy, you’re going around in circles. The difference is that I can prove what I post. Big surprise huh. As for the same old $hit, your kind I run into several times a week on the Internet.
        Face it you’re a loser, you back the wrong horse constantly. Supporting the gaystapo is a another losing proposition, but then again that’s what you do so well, lose.

      • DerP = Just another mindless internet blowhard parroting the right-wing buzzwords du jour. You make a perfect sucker for your Koch Bros/O’Keefe overlords.

      • DP

        Did you know that the Koch brothers are libertarian? O’Keefe, never heard of him till tonight.
        Speaking of suckers you’re a Soros sucker but too ignorant to comprehend it.
        Mindless? Again you’re setting that bar at a level you’ll never achieve.
        Nothing you’ve posted tonight was original. For a blogger you should really stay with those forums where the majority are teenagers. You’re not ready or intellectually equip to debate educated un brain washed adults.
        Now you can go goose step your gaystapo a$$ out of this thread.

      • “gaystapo”

        So original.

      • Randy Nichols

        The most fitting name is homofascist…a small group building political power through the use of propaganda, scare tactics, and intimidation, creating a villain to direct their attacks, just as the Nazi fascist did, except in this case their focus of attack are Christians just as the Nazis had Jews.

      • Your understanding of history is atrocious.

      • Nordic Templar

        If the shoe fits , put them both on .

      • It’d be a miracle if you could find something other than Nazis to compare to those you disagree with.

      • Nordic Templar

        It wasn’t my comment, I just happened to agree

      • So you’re deliberately dim.

        Did you even realize that this article is about a well-connected right-wing activist using this incident to promote a fundraiser under false pretenses, or would you rather keep throwing eggs at gay folks?

      • Nordic Templar

        Actually , I’d rather throw rocks at this point . It really doesn’t matter who set up the account, it was responded to by people from all over the country and was a resounding success . Your only angry because the hateful leftists tried to shut down a business with threats of death , violence , and destruction and it had the opposite effect . Maybe you will some day learn that complaining about bigotry and intolerance while at the same time engaging in them falls on deaf ears . The strategy of forced acceptance will never work .

      • I’m still waiting to see proof of a legitimate threat levied against this failing pizza shop.

        Maybe someday, you will learn that it’s really easy to make a fool part with his/her money if you tell the lie just right and prey on their fear.

      • Nordic Templar

        So you think the owners not only lured the reporter into their business, they also convinced numerous people to make threats against them on the chance that somebody else would set up the go fund me account and rake in hundreds of thousands of dollars. Next you’ll be telling me 9/11 was an inside job .

      • marshwill

        Don’t expect any rational thought from a wacko liberal goon. They’ll disappoint you every time you think they’re capable of intelligent discussion…… unless, of course, you give in and agree with their warped ideas. Did you notice whether Chad is wearing a tin-foil hat??

      • Cassandra

        There weren’t any legitimate threats, just a lot of internet blowhards and snarky pranskters making things unpleasant. I don’t doubt they couldn’t conduct business for a few days due to phony phone calls and media traffic outside the store, but their lives were not in danger.

      • I don’t put it past the Koch Machine & Weasel O’Keefe to have not been behind at least a few of those attacks on Yelp. Martyrs make money.

      • marshwill

        Well, if YOU received death threats from a bunch of militant goons, would you not consider the possibility that they were real?? After all, the same people were trying to destroy their livelihood. The vile vitriol expressed on various websites was totally beyond anything reasonable.

      • marshwill

        I’m still waiting to see proof that the pizza shop was failing! You’d be surprised what people are willing to do for good people whose core principles are under attack!

      • Bryan Hann

        Are you owed a proof of legitimate threat, Chad? You are free to wait too see proof, and even free to request proof. But what I am asking is whether you are in any sense of the word *owed* proof.

      • marshwill

        No evidence for that, I guess. You think Glenn Beck is going to steal the money from the family??? What are the false pretenses? They announced it on their program that they had started it on behalf of the family. You would not likely understand that Beck has a lot more personal integrity than a lot of the wacko liberals with whom you associate. And he does not need THEIR money!!!

      • Darth Darth Binks

        Regardless of the label, they donate millions to Republican candidates. QED.
        Nice attack strategy you got there, Skippy.

      • Randy Nichols

        And many other large corporations donate to democrats. Who do you think drives the move for amnesty and cheap labor. That is why the dems push it and the establishment republicans do not oppose it. Influx of low skilled workers hurts the job market for minorities. Progressive rely on uninformed population who believe the rhetoric while they sell you out.

      • DP

        They also donate millions to liberal causes as well as the negro college fund. But I guess those donations would ruin your false narrative, so you don’t mention them.

      • marshwill

        Yes, I think they are somewhere around the 15th largest donors to political parties. Most of the ones above them donate almost entirely to Democrats.

      • Darth Darth Binks

        He’s a kid. His writing style is immature and belligerent. On the Internet, everyone is a genius.

      • Scott Anthony

        DP no offense but you are wrong. the sie reports it to the IRS as required by law. As soon as the transfer is done it is reported again. Both sides actually have to pay. IT is by the time of the transaction total and date (how the site works) THe same way the IRS and states went after virtual companies like Lindenlabs (secondlife) which they have to report cash outs of virtual cash now, and players have to pay tax on it.

      • DP

        We’re talking about federal taxes on capital gains that are realized. Not trade transactions. Do yourself a favor and Google Capital Gains 2015. For a couple that only has realized gains and little or no earned income. Their tax rate is zero up to $75K in realized capital gains.

        What you’re taliking about is “cost bases”.

      • Scott Anthony

        When you realize the basics of the events, website and what happens and come back on topic instead of side stepping, we will continue the discussion.

      • Darth Darth Binks

        Congratulations on being a parasite.

      • DP

        LOL I’ve supported the system in paying taxes from my earned income before I retired at age 43. Now I live off my realized gains from my capital gains. Losses I’ve banked from stock market crashes, I’ve used to off set my realized capital gains.
        As of this yr the tax code on capital gains were rewritten, thanks obama, now as a couple, we no longer have to use our past realized loses to offset our realized gains. As long as we don’t realize anymore more than $75K a yr. Anything over $75K and we can continue using our realized losses to offset any realized gains over $75K and pay ZERO in federal taxes.

      • Tom Wright

        Failed? How do you know that? Facts, references please.

      • Michael Mccue

        I own a business I am making a stand on behalf of the owners of memories
        pizza, I am a small business owner as well and I will not allow them to
        be bullied, They have Beliefs there belief is in God which there belief
        is to allow other people to have liberty and freedom, but do not allow
        your liberties and freedom to violate my liberty and freedom, I am tired
        of these people catching heat and getting bullied, its not right, they
        never said they would not serve gays, but that they could not
        participate in a wedding ceremony that violated there beliefs, and I
        stand with them in there belief and there right to do that, it violates
        there moral values, do not ask me to violate my values, because you have
        different ones, a wedding is a ceremony that is important to christian
        belief, you can not ask them to violate that belief its wrong
        and its bulling. it was not about them being gay it was about them
        doing a wedding that violated there beliefs and they were attacked
        because they are christian its wrong we are Americans let us just Stop
        the in fighting about issues of beliefs everyone has a right to believe
        what they wish and just because they didn’t want to do a wedding dose
        not mean they would not have served them any other time it was the point
        that the wedding violated there religious beliefs. You cannot ask
        someone to violate there belief system to serve you, if you believe God
        tells you that you cannot participate in a wedding that violates his law
        then you have to listen to that, because it is part of you, just like I
        cannot go tell someone they cannot be gay or atheist, they should not
        tell me that I have to violate my religious convictions to better serve
        them, We need to stand together as Americans and Serve one another, but
        do it without asking someone to violate there consensus, We need to love
        one another and stop throwing each other under the bus, if someone is
        gay fine, but why should I violate my beliefs to make them feel better
        just like they are not going to be straight to make me feel better, but
        we can stand together in love and truth, and still be good to one
        another even though we disagree.

      • marshwill

        Very well said, Michael. Reasonable people will agree completely with what you have said.

      • It comes down to your definition of “participation’; are you participating in a gay wedding by attending it? How about if you only sent a gift? To my mind, ‘participation’ includes being a bride, a groom or an officiant, (which BTW I happen to be) and maybe the ring bearer, flower girl and ushers/attendants, none of whom are paid to be there. (my honorarium doesn’t count, other than for tax purposes) Everybody else involved is a bystander, so you don’t get to refuse to write on cake, if that’s your job, nor deliver the cake, nor the flowers nor the presents nor take the pictures.

      • Bryan Hann

        To compliment what you say Mojo, would you agree that there can be reasonable differenced between people as to what constitutes “participation”? If someone thinks a writing on a cake constitutes participation (for the sake of moral qualms), do you consider that person *unreasonable* in thinking that, or simply *wrong*?

      • I think a person’s conscience has to dictate; I wouldn’t force a jewish employee to decorate a Nazi cake, but it’s different for a business owner and corporations in particular; they can go a lot further in that they’re fictional entities for the purpose of diluting and deflecting tax and legal liabilities-that affords protection, but also comes with the requirements of a public accommodation. If you’re accepting a fee for goods/services, there’s a higher standard for refusing custom.

      • Bryan Hann

        How about a non jewish employee who is told by their jewish boss and proprietor to not decorate a Nazi cake?

      • Randy Nichols

        It was good to see that Americans still stand up for those that are wrongly attacked. I was also moved to see that many that donated have different belief, but also were disgusted by the tactics of the homofascists and their hate filled attacks. Some on the left are true to their ideas of being tolerant, and it is not just words to them.

      • @gijanetexas

        This is a pizza place that had two entire Yelp reviews since 2012 before this happened. So this was not the town’s favorite pizza place. But you are assuming these people are business geniuses because they are bigots? All I know the eye is on them now globally and they better pay their correct taxes and make no moral or legal transgressions that may blacken the name of the conservative cause now that they have put themselves out there.

      • Jon Tulsa Maas

        dude it is a small town… most of the people that patronized the restaurant do not use YELP….

      • fugazi71

        shhhhhhh liberals don’t like to talk about “fly over country” and those dumb hicks that live there. I mean my God could there be a place without Yelp and Uber? Racists the lot of them…

      • Wes Cptawsm May

        That doesn’t make liberals racists. Dumb hicks aren’t a race…. As a liberal myself, I will gladly admit I have no patience with the ignorant or intolerant. This entire situation is just the latest embarrassing example of conservative reactionaries seeing an opportunity to display their irrational anti-gay bigotry in as vengeful and juvenile a way as possible. It’s a chance to strike back at the gay community and the country at large for the nearly uninterrupted string of civil rights victories in their favor from the courts. How admirable that these kinds of spiteful, cynical events are rallying cries for the conservative ideology. You really have so much to be proud of.

      • DP

        A liberal reporter started this false narrative. The rest of you just fell in line. By the time this is over, that middleclass pizzeria owner will be a millionaire within the week. How’s that for a economics lesson?

      • You’re assuming that those hayseed bigots will see a dime of this money, DerP.

      • marshwill

        I guess YOU are a BIGOT from the big city and, therefore, not a “hayseed”. You have a lot to learn about America. You are in a distinct MINORITY and it will likely get smaller yet after all these attacks on a family just trying to follow their principles run their business and provide a service to their town. BTW, geographic BIGOTRY is no less odious than any other kind! And, YES, I think that family will receive EVERY dime of the money. What did your apparently warped mind conjure up to make you think otherwise??? Did you think of it all by yourself or did you have some help from other wackos like yourself??? Were drugs involved??

      • I’m originally from a town of 600 people that is 90 miles from a “big city”. Try again.

      • marshwill

        OK, I understand now. You’re just another two-bit small town BIGOT, but a BIGOT nevertheless.

      • Sam2001

        marshwill, Chad is not in a distinct minority, in fact he is part of the majority. Support for gay marriage is the highest it has ever been — 56%. The lowest support is found among older Americans. In the 20 to 34 age groups, it is over 75%. As the older anti-gay marriage generation, the support for gay marriage will rise dramatically. Ten years ago, no state allowed gay marriage, now 37 state have made it legal. And with the upcoming Supreme Court ruling on gay marriage, the odds are good that all state will be required to recognize gay marriage. As to your claim that support will drop down after due to the attacks on the O’Connor, I suspect most people haven’t heard of the story. They’re more interested in the Final Four, what’s happening on American Idol and for some reason I will never understand, or what the Kardashians are doing. The O’Connor’s are just a small part of the much bigger story that is the Indiana RFRA issue. It doesn’t help that the O’Connors will get $840,00 from the Gofund account. People will question whether it was a scam, or ask how bad could it be if they got almost a million dollars of out of it.

      • tiredofthecrap

        That’s kind of why this silliness is so ridiculous. People who don’t
        support same sex marriages are in the minority. But it’s a minority who has a
        right to their beliefs, despite what the majority says. And the LGBT community,
        who has gained a lot of support, and rightfully so, is looking pretty selfish
        right now with this kind of bullying.

      • Jean Wagner

        Everyone has the right to their beliefs. But no has the right to discriminate against others in America. I have been rereading what Jesus and Paul wrote, and not once do either of them approve of discriminating against gays.. Jesus’ two most important lessons were to treat others as we would be treated and love our enemies. Whenever Paul mentioned homosexuality, it was in connection with a number of others sins that he believed were equally bad. I strongly suggest you read 1 Cor. 6:9-10. One of the sins Paul repeatedly mentions as one of worst is adultery. OT writers, Jesus and Paul all agreed with one major point about adultery — if a divorced person remarries while their ex is still alive, it is adultery. There were no exceptions given — none. Adultery is the single biggest factor to damage the sanctity of marriage in America. If every single gay person marry, it would still be a small faction of the adultery committed by conservative Christians. We know that almost half of all conservative Christians commit adultery in their first marriages. And we know that the rate of divorce/remarried among conservative Christians is similar to the rest of Americans — 30+%. Unless conservative Christians treat both adulterers and gays as sinners and as equals in terms of the impact their sin has on the sanctity, then they can in no way shape or form prove that their religious beliefs are being trampled because there is zero evidence in the Bible that those beliefs are biblical based — none! If you disagree, then you better take it up with God because He is the one who made the decision and He alone is the only one who gets a say in the matter. It is just that simple.

      • tiredofthecrap

        Hayseed bigots? You’re such a charmer, Chad.

      • marshwill

        I love it!! I hope they can recover and re-open their business without the goon squad interfering.

      • tiredofthecrap

        Lovin’ it. Lesson learned. And I have no issue at all with same sex marriages. I just have an issue with bullying, from either side.

      • Dennis

        You’re way off on this. The woman was living in a small town working two jobs struggling to make ends meet when a cub reporter ambushed and then her tv station lied about her refusing to serve gays in her store, when she specifically said she would. The donations are a reaction to her shutting down her business due to death threats, calls for burning down her business, a bombardment of fictitious negative reviews on Yelp, Facebook rants on their account, and a new domain name with their business name being set up to bash their small business. People want to help out someone who has been wronged by the thought police on this subject who who railroaded by a tv station looking to create a story.

        Are you proud of the death threats from her haters for her thoughts on a near-impossible scenario? The Left created this and blew it up. The Right reacted with compassion for her and the family business that the Left tried to destroy.

      • Darth Darth Binks

        And you know all this how, exactly? (Not being snide, I really want to know).

      • Dennis

        Because I read news stories, Darth. All of this is on the ABC57 news website that conducted the interview and reported the story.

      • marshwill

        You would never know it from this story in Forward Progressives since it is largely contrived LIES….. but the original story was much less complicated. Reporter goes looking for response to the new law from a Christian business. Asked a number of questions including, “Would your family business cater for a same-sex wedding?” The young girl (about 20 years old) said that they would not because it would go against their religious principles. The story was reported, I understand, omitting the questions and answers about serving gays in the restaurant for which she had no objection. They are not haters. It is about who THEY are and about THEIR religious views—to which they are entitled. Anyone who disagrees should be aware that there are probably at LEAST tens of MILLIONS of Americans who feel the same way based on their religious convictions. There was no reason to try to make them out as offshoots of the Westboro Baptist Church as has been done.

      • ReallyPissedOff
      • Tom C

        well said!

      • Thank you

      • Cassandra

        Nobody lied or ambushed anybody. Walkerton is 20 minutes outside of South Bend, which is where the news station is based. It has a traditional little downtown area perfect for the ‘man on the street’ kind of feature that the station did. The two owners went on camera willingly, speaking at length on not just their beliefs on RFRA but on homosexuality in general. It’s all on video coming straight out of their mouths, so they’re not misquoted. People need to stop trying to portray these people as poor little victims, small town hicks taken in by the big city slickers. This was their own local news station, they willing spouted their bigoted views, and they probably thought it would actually be good publicity for their business because they couldn’t conceive that anyone could possibly disagree with their stance.

      • marshwill

        Well, for your information, they are entitled to their opinions about gay marriage–even WITHOUT citing their religious convictions. There is still a small amount of freedom in this country despite the wacko liberals trying to re-make it for the past few decades. I predict there will be a backlash against militant aggressive thuggish liberals as a result of this. Nobody was denied any service or excluded in any way. They were asked for their view and, perhaps because they live in the rural MIdwest, did not feel there was anything to lose by not expressing their views. A lot of people are FED-UP with all this CRAP and don’t want any more of it.

      • Sam2001

        Marshwill, I think you are mistaken. On March 6 this year, the WSJ released the results of a poll looking at support for gay marriage. Support for gay marriage was high among Democrats and Independence. Nothing new there. But when it came to Republicans, 40% of Republicans supported gay marriage up from 27% just 2 years ago. When they looked Republicans in their 20’s, 64% support gay marriage. More than half of all Americans support gay marriages. But the if we look at how Americans feel about discrimination of LGBT, 75% believe that discrimination is wrong.. While the people you know maybe fed up with it, the majority of Americans disagree. You are part of a dying breed.

      • tiredofthecrap

        Sam, discrimination is always wrong. In cases of actual
        bigotry, the hammer comes down. But as neighbors in a pluralistic society we try to turn philosophic clashes (about right and wrong) into neighborly problems in which different people are given space to have different lanes to lead lives. In cases where people with different values disagree, we seek a creative accommodation. A movement that stands for tolerance does not want to
        be on the side of a government that compels a photographer who is an evangelical Christian to shoot a same-sex wedding that he would rather avoid. And this is why a support site for the O’Connors raised $842,590 in a few days. Demanding “Bake my cake or else!” puts the LGBT cause back a few years. We the People should be better than a mob armed with torches and
        pitchforks.

      • Jean Wagner

        First, I find it disgusting when Tea Party followers act as if they are the only ones in America who are included in “We the People.” You are not. I am a liberal who is a retired, disabled vet who has sacrificed more for the country than most Tea Party types ever have or would be willing to do.. I would like to know what significant sacrifices have YOU for this country? Second, the only ones who have carried symbolic torches and pitchforks are conservative Christians. I have yet to read where even one conservative Christian being brutally attacked simply because they WERE conservative Christians. Yet I have read countless news stories and reviewed FBI statistics where conservative Christians have attacked or killed a LGBT individual. On average 2 dozen or more gays are killed every year by conservative Christians or individuals motivated by conservative Christian rhetoric. Just this morning 14 year old Deandre Florence and his 16 year brother Dennis were arrested in Orlando, Fl. for beating a gay man because he WAS man. As to your claim that the pizza store incident will set back the LGBT cause back a few years, it won’t. Both Indiana and Arkansas changed their minds, so to speak, rewrote their RFRA days after the pizza story broke. You might have a valid claim if either of these states announced they were going to stick with original version of their law and point to the pizza story as to why. Didn’t happen. I am unaware of even one GOP politician or candidate that has even mentioned the pizza story. The story of the Oregon baker who refused to bake a cake for a gay cake happened several years ago. Not only did they have to shut down their store, they ended with a $150,000 fine. In that years since, support of gay marriage has increased — even among Republicans where 2 years ago only 27% GOP, now it has risen to 40%. As of now, 56% of a a Americans support gay and 75% of all Americans feel discriminant against gay is wrong. If the story of the cake lady which is significantly worse than the pizza story didn’t show down the cause, neither will the pizza story. The reality is very few people have heard about this story. Most have been been distracted by the Final Four, spending time following Kim and Kanya, voting for American Idol, etc. For those following the story, a lot of people, including some conservative Christians, are wondering if this was some kind of scam because Glenn Beck and company was behind the $840,000 fund raising. In a few months we’ll see how the Supreme Court rules on gay marriage. If you’re right then we should expect the court decide against the gay right to marry.

      • Scott Gibson

        so what about shutting down her business due to death threats, calls for burning down her business and call to children.. would you like someone to call your children and tell them they or going to die ? like really ? How is a bigoted view when that is all that is coming out. Hate has to stop. both side. let the first one cast the stone who has no sin. I know I can not!

      • Dennis

        This was the original ABC57 headline

        “RFRA: First Michiana business to publicly deny same-sex service”

        They didn’t deny anyone service. That headline was a blatant lie, which is why they took it down and clarified it, after the damage was done.

        This was the lead-in to the story on air:

        “Only on ABC-57 News tonight. We went into small towns looking for reaction to the Religious Freedom Act. We found one business, just 20 miles away from a welcoming South Bend…with a very different view.”

        The slant is that all of South Bend is welcoming, but not a business in Walkerton, that they found by going well outside welcoming South Bend. Just based on logic, polling, demographics and statistics, that couldn’t possibly be true. South Bend is over 26% African American, and blacks disproportionately to the national population are against same sex marriages. The cub reporter could’ve easily found less welcoming views with an African American entrepreneur right in the immediate area of the news station. They’d have no obligation to, but that’s not the impression they gave with that scurrilous lead-in. And it certainly wouldn’t have gotten the same reaction. But ABC57 wouldn’t have done that, nor would they ask a Muslim baker if he’d bake a wedding cake for a gay couple. It just wouldn’t have fit a narrative quite like a middle-class, uneducated, very Christian white woman from a small-town out in the cornfields of Indiana.

        They were lied about and mis-characterized by the news station, and those lies were repeated by Huffpo, Gawker, Buzzfeed and Raw Story, and then in a mere instant, the onslaught began….over an impossible scenario, that was a mere hypothetical iver an incomplete bill not yet in effect.

      • tiredofthecrap

        I’m sure they didn’t start with pizza joints. Local pizza joints aren’t generally hotbeds of wedding receptions. Yet, Marino found herself wandering into Memories Pizza to get the unsuspecting owners to weigh in on an emotional issue which has never come up in the course of the business’s nearly 10 year existence. ABC-57
        News created that story ex nihilo. The O’Connors were just, quite literally,
        minding their own business, when an awful local “news” crew set out to find a
        sucker to reinforce the narrative it wanted to present that Americans are just
        the slightest opportunity away from being hateful monsters out to destroy their
        fellow human beings. The gang from ABC 57 knew it had a hot
        narrative, if only it could find someone to play the role of villain. By their
        own account, these reporters set out not to report the news, but to manufacture
        it. And in Memories Pizza, they found their “villain”. Yeah, ambush.

      • Jillz

        I don’t see an ambush here – Memories Pizza was asked a question and they answered honestly. As bigots. The public reacted. They had the option of keeping their bigotry to themselves and chose not to.

        Death threats, however, are a ridiculous reaction to someone’s freedom of expression. It’s not ok when the left does it over something like this (I haven’t seen any of the death threats re: Memories Pizza); and it’s not ok when the right constantly does it over gun “rights” and hatred of the President (of which I’ve seen way too many times).

      • disqus_Y38bxN0VuX

        So what do you call those people that pounced on this pizza owner for stating what she believes and did not even discriminate on any body

      • marshwill

        Goons, thugs, bigots, and wackos.

      • marshwill

        They were working in their restaurant, minding their own business, when the press came in —apparently targeting them because they are Christian—- and asked them questions. They were not looking for notoriety, unlike the lying POS who wrote this piece without providing any TRUTH, but tons of LIES. There was no “victim”. NOBODY was denied anything from the owners of the business. Yet the wackos attacked them, threatened their lives and their business. Thankfully, there are apparently LOTS AND LOTS of people with principles who do not like seeing people BULLIED and were willing to part with a few bucks on their behalf. They’re probably up near $1 Million by now. I hope so. Nobody deserves to be treated the way you goons treated them. And, just because they live in rural Indiana and maybe do not have a local symphony, opera or Modern Art Museum does not mean they are IGNORANT. As for their TOLERANCE, they show quite a bit more than the radical NUTS who are oppressing them. I don’t think they have said one unkind word about any of the wacko goon squad that has had them under constant attack for days. They have not threatened anybody’s life or property. In case you were not aware of it, the American people can choose to like or not like things…… broccoli, bottled water, ham, beaches, Fords, big screen TV’s, and……… yes, EVEN gay marriages!! I am sure the MAJORITY of Americans do NOT support the oppression, verbal and threats of physical abuses, etc. that we have seen from the liberal goon squads. FYI, GEOGRAPHIC BIGOTRY is no less ODIOUS than any other kind!!

      • Scott Gibson

        Wes. you make some really good points. but please allow me to ask you. When someone does not believe in something. Why does everyone gets call names and calls to kill them ? USA was made from all types and kind.. do I believe in same sex. no. will I stop or jump up and down to stop someone from marrying someone they love. no. we as a hole have lost the right to say what we believe in with out being called names. have some friends that or gay. do not care what they do in there bedroom.. and the same from them in my bedroom. But lift a hand to them. I will be standing there for them. so why is all the name calling going one?

      • alex

        i agree completely, I cant believe the measures they are going to make a political party look good.

      • Somebody’s gonna have to remind me which party’s looking good over this; it sure as hell ain’t Republicans, cuz they’ve proven ineffective at “protecting religious freedom” while simultaneously looking like they ‘hate teh gays.” and the Dems? Where’s Al Sharpton, where’s Jesse Jackson? Shee-it, how ’bout Bill Clinton?People are being OPPRESSED! They gotta leave it to Tim Cook? Oh, right, election year.

      • marshwill

        Since they is no race factor, Jesse and Al would not be interested…… although they might become interested as the fundme fund gets near a million bucks. They are experts at extortion.

      • Yeah, the ONE question nobody’s asking is, “Was their pizza any good?” Possibly, it’s some kinda conspiracy…but really, it might be just a hobby business that wasn’t working out, ’til Grandpa saw a way out.

      • Randy Nichols

        To imply that they had the foresight to in any way plan this out,is to attribute to good people the kind of thinking and devious nature that comes from the left. Anyone who saw this lady during interview would know she did not have the savvy to plan this.

      • Brad Hubbard

        Comes from the left. You all had the scum bag dirty trick president that had to resign.

      • marshwill

        And the left has one who is far worse but does not have the integrity to resign….. just keeps stirring more s***.

      • marshwill

        You got some evidence for that or is it just something your little pea-brain made up in a drug stupor?? Apparently they were doing just fine businesswise and they will again if the wacko liberal goon squad will leave them alone, not kill them or burn down their business–BOTH of which have been threatened, as well as threats to rob them of the money donated by other well-meaning people.

      • DP

        I’ve eaten in hundreds of places and in some dozens of times, yet I never like most people leave a review anywhere including yelp.

      • marshwill

        They didn’t “put themselves out there”. The press came to them and asked questions. I admire them for answering the questions and I agree with their position. Re-read the 1st Amendment and the religious rights legislation. They have the right to NOT be forced to violate their convictions….. and so do YOU!!

      • Guest

        You are quite the immature troll, aren’t you.

        Incidentally, unless you are a tax-exempt charity, you pay taxes on money received, whatever the source. That’s the law.

      • DP

        If you’re getting your tax advice from H&R Block, it’s WRONG! See: http://www.schwab.com/public/schwab/nn/articles/Taxes-Whats-New

        Then come back here with your apologies.

      • Sam2001

        So just what are YOUR qualifications with regards to US tax laws? Do you work for the IRS, are you a tax accountant? A REAL tax expert would have known to use the correct term — gift tax. Don’t believe me, check out the IRS site.

      • DP

        If I told you my qualifications you wouldn’t believe them anyway. Chad Bryant likes to remind me that everyone on the Internet is a lying fake.

        So I’ve stopped providing proof of who I am since it only a waste of time at best or at worse, used against myself & family members.

    • Paul Sanders

      you are a terrorist by definition. forcing others to do what you want with threats of force. nobody has a right to anyone else’s time or services. nobody….

      • Wes Cptawsm May

        Then maybe they shouldn’t willingly insert themselves into a public arena, purporting to offer a service to the public, especially in a country of such wide-ranging, diverse views, faiths and lives. If they wish to avoid a specific portion of the general public, maybe they should operate a business out of their homes and cater only to white, heterosexual protestants. Freedom of speech has never guaranteed anything but the right to say anything, no matter how objectionable or stupid it may be. It doesn’t guarantee there will be no consequences from that speech.

        I would never dream of forcing someone to provide a service to me that they found objectionable, but unlike some people I would never put myself or someone else in that position to begin with. It’s simple enough to avoid the idiots and bigots out there if you pay attention to who they are. The fact that there are actually people who find it acceptable to judge who is or isn’t worthy of the respect or consideration that all human beings deserve is repulsive to me. The right wing superiority complex is almost as illogical as their manufactured and non-existent persecution complex.

      • Jim K

        Gee Wes, … Would you consider DEATH THREATS a “non-existent persecution complex” ????

      • Dan Shill

        And you are a fucktard by definition.

      • Dave Wukusick

        And you are a shill…..

      • Mark1115

        No, but you are a slanderer.

      • marshwill

        No, not really. He’s quite right!!

      • Mark1115

        Nope.

      • Kathy Fillman

        I’d like to see these death threats. Only hearsay so far.

      • tiredofthecrap

        Um. Really? You want to SEE them? How can that happen?

    • Gifts under $6000 aren’t reported to lois lerner or the #gaystapo

    • Dennis

      You have no evidence of that. You have no idea what they’ll do with that money or what the tax consequences are.

    • Tom C

      Of course you do, your a good widdle freedom hating statist, aren’t you? Yes you are..you itty bitty baby.

    • Nordic Templar

      Nice tolerance , you bigot

    • Randy Nichols

      Spoken with true love and tolerance…and ignorance.

  • doughnuts64

    There are food banks all over the country with bare shelves.
    Why not give to them in Memories Pizza’s name?
    That way you might follow the tenets of your own faith, if only by accident.

    • DP

      This is what happens when your side with a history of backing the wrong horse accomplishes. Hobby Lobby & Chick-Fil-A ring a bell.

      • alex

        see another accusatory comment when she was suggesting people start donating to the poor like good christians.

      • marshwill

        The donations are going appropriately to the family whose business is shut down, whose lives and property have been threatened. It is NOT a political campaign.

      • I’mRightYerWrong

        According to a Washington Post/ABC News poll, conducted in June last year, 56 percent of Americans believe it should be legal for gay and lesbian couples to marry; only 38 percent say they are opposed. Eleven years ago, only 37 percent favored same-sex marriage while 55 percent were opposed.

        Homophobia has not disappeared, but the gay rights movement has clearly won Americans’ hearts and minds. The tide has turned. Opponents can try, but they can’t push it back.

        Moreover, support for gay marriage is much higher among younger Americans, indicating that the future belongs to the advocates, not the opponents, of same-sex marriage. Soon, conservative politicians and groups will no longer be able to use gay marriage as a “wedge” issue to stir controversy and win elections. The days of gay-bashing as a political strategy are numbered.
        You may have won a couple fights but you’re still losing the war.

      • “the gay rights movement” has not “won”; the american people have won-human rights are not a gay issue, and “gays” are not “asking’ for “special rights’. I’m beginning to see that ‘hetero privilege’ is just as large an obstruction to our freedom as white privilege.

      • DP

        LOL, I was never polled on the subject of gay marriage. You want to play house behind doors, I don’t care. You don’t get greater rights than the next person because you’re involved in a perverted lifestyle.
        Next you’ll be supporting pedophiles. Keep pushing, keep burning those bridges behind you and forgetting you’re a tiny minority of pervs and one day the backlash will be so great you’ll regreat you ever promoted this nonsense.
        Liberals keep protecting the Muslim rights in order to fight with Christians. One day those Muslims may gain enough power in your area of operation, then it’s game over.
        No ones born gay, it’s a chosen lifestyle.

      • Wes Cptawsm May

        Much like your staggering stupidity is a lifestyle choice. You must be really proud. And yes, I am a liberal resorting to name-caling. Because you people are so devoid of rational thought it hurts to engage with you in any forum. Truthfully no one cares what your opinion is on gays, or how completely uneducated your view is that they choose to live as gay people. Since you presumably have no experience with living inside of a gay person’s mind and body, the certainty with which you proclaim it as a choice lacks a shred of credibility. Of course, the political right have made a career out of having no credibility and speaking on issues they have no experience with as if they are scholars on the subject. You’re embarrassing yourself. All you have is your lame attempt to spit the word “liberal” at us as if we share your misguided belief that it is a label we should be ashamed of. In the warped mind of a conservative it’s a four-letter word, because they reject humility, tolerance, education, charity and empathy as characteristics of the weak, when in actuality they are evidence of liberals strength. Continue on with your hate and ignorance campaign. I’ve laughed at you and your pathetic ideological brethren for years anyway. Maybe I can also add pity to the equation as you dig your grave deeper and deeper.

      • DP

        You’re still in denial. Look son, one chooses who they want to have sex with. Some want it both ways and others want it with the same sex. Then there’s some that refrain from sex all together. It’s called CHOICE. How many times have we heard the jail house term, “I’m only gay for the stay”?
        You’re one confused puppy that needs to research not only what you want to hear but what you don’t want to hear as well.
        All your name calling & insults over your keyboard makes you pathetic.

      • I’mRightYerWrong

        “No ones born gay, it’s a chosen lifestyle” SO that means you’re attracted to the same sex, you just don’t act on it.
        FYI, I’m not gay. I am human though, and I don’t care what consenting adults do to each other. No one is looking for greater rights, just equal. Too bad you’re so scared about your same sex attraction that you need to lash out at those who are able to embrace who they are.

      • Dennis

        If America is on an evolutionary process, and I agree it it, why did it become fashionable to send death threats and calls to burn down businesses for hypothetical thoughts on being forced to attend gay weddings? Was it a couple years ago when Barack Obama spoke out in semi-support of them if states’ courts decided for them?

        Seriously, IRYW, when did liberals and LGBT’s decide to unleash the hounds on those whose evolutionary thoughts on this issue weren’t yet conformity with yours?

      • marshwill

        This fiasco will set back the gay “rights” movement. IF you believe 56% of Americans believe that people of faith should be persecuted because oi their beliefs regarding gay marriages, their lives threatened, their businesses forced closed, etc, you are very wrong. Not that many Americans are that stupid.

      • I’mRightYerWrong

        “IF you believe 56% of Americans believe that people of faith should be persecuted because oi their beliefs regarding gay marriages, their lives threatened, their businesses forced closed, etc, you are very wrong. ” The poll said that 56% of Americans approve of gay marriage. I never posted anything saying that Americans think idiot christians who believe in 2000 year old fairy tales should be persecuted. Yet that’s what you read into it. No one gives a shit what christians think except other christians. If they had kept their bigoted mouth shut no one would have ever paid one bit of attention to them. I’ve seen 1 tweet where someone said they want to burn the store down and have not seen or heard one threat of violence. I think they’re just making that up to get sympathy, and the gullible fools like you who give 10% of their money to someone so they can have life after death believe it without question.

    • marshwill

      I have a better idea!! Why don’t you mind your own damned business and keep your nose out of other peoples’? Why do YOU give a rat’s ass WHO anybody gives THEIR money to?? If your food bank has bare shelves, feel free to donate to them or any other cause you see fit. It is quite likely that many of the good people who have contributed to the people in Indiana will contribute also to a food bank if their contribution is needed.

  • alex

    ivestigate the facebooks of Jennifer C Call and Harold Bissonette , it more than obvious that they are fakers trying to get people roiled up , and look at the articles they posted, they are literally asking to be bashed so that they can use it againts gay people, its a clever tactic to say OMG GAY PEOPLE ARE OPRRESING CHRISTIANS LOOK AT HOW WE WERE ATTACKED, this is going on all over the internet, dont let them get the best of you, I know its hard to stay civil BUT WE MUST.

    • DP

      Jennifer Call is real. She has nothing to hide there “Alex”.
      She’ll be here tomorrow and next year. Your argument judged invalid.

  • DP

    Look at all you bullying Jennifer Call. You’re not too smart if you think you’re going to bully business owners without a backlash. If you don’t like what a business owner stands for you move on. You don’t force them to take your money. You have to be a special kind of stupid to screw with someone that makes something that you’ll consume.

    Take your business elsewhere where both parties will be satisfied. I guarantee you that this pendulum will swing in the opposite direction harshly.

    • Defending an obvious astroturfer makes you look like another obvious astroturfer.

      • DP

        It’s obvious you need further comprehension exercises.

      • It’s obvious that you’re just another vulture.

      • DP

        Hey I’m not the liberal here, you are. LOL

      • alex

        when did chad say he was a liberal? you guys are easilly exposing yourselves as paid “astroturfers” to try n sell bigotry and hate using the bible as an excuse. Jesus said to love EVERYBODY like you love yourself which basically negated almost all discrimination in the old testament.

      • DP

        Using religion when it suits your argument is a sign of weakness.

      • alex

        Thats precisely what they been doing for years. I know alot of good kind christians, how is limiting the civil rights of the LGBT help the church? and you seem awful accusatory in some of your comments with zero grounds to make those comments, I think your a paid alias .

      • To be fair, given that yours truly was extensively quoted in this article, it’s a fair assumption that my political & social views don’t fall on the right side of the spectrum.

      • alex

        he is going down the list( ajd several others) and ruffling some feathers so they have an excuse to say they are being oppressed.

  • pdxleo
  • Bibi

    Living well is the best revenge; thanks Liberals for making that possible for these Christian business owners!

    • I’mRightYerWrong

      Too bad the rest of the businesses in that state have to suffer because their elected officials are jackasses. But as long as one business profits from it screw the rest, right? Isn’t that the republican motto?

      • Steve

        That’s the best you can do, huh? You libs are pretty much ready to wave the white flag now? I mean, because that’s your flag, isn’t it?

      • Alex Ovechicken

        No, they use the rainbow flag now.

    • Oh, no. It’s not that simple when you grow up in Mayberry RFD; they’ll be under suspicion for the rest of their lives for taking ‘money they didn’t earn’ They’ll get followed around at the grocery store, like black people. Folks will whisper about all the money ‘they hid’ and speculate on how much it might be, whether it’s hid in the walls of their house or behind the pizza oven. Trust me, these folks are notorious like bank robbers; they might even get robbed.The old fella might stay, but I’d be real surprised if that young gal doesn’t end up in Alaska.

      • marshwill

        I guess that’s what the wacko goon squad wants to happen but I would be surprised. I bet the VAST MAJORITY of citizens of their town are in agreement with their views–you know, there in ….. whatsit???? ….. oh, yes … MAYBERRY RFD!!! More geographic bigotry from the wackos.

      • Geographic bigotry? I’m from an Indiana town that’s smaller than Walkerton, and I still live in Indiana. It just so happens that unlike most of my fellow hoosiers, I saw a few other places during my military service.

  • Butch Nelson

    trust me on this. If the incest victim Crystal gets a dime of this money from her lover ( the father) I hope it will be for some shampoo and a tooth brush. The fact remains these donations need to be collected and actually put into a fund for them. If Crystal and her father get paid, I am sure that like all ill given and ill received money they will have their lives torn apart from greed, jealousy, lust, gluttony, avarice and who knows, maybe a roll in the hay with some transvestites.

    • isaboutu

      Aww don’t even worry about it…a fool parts with their money all the time.

    • I didn’t think I could be disgusted by internet comments anymore, but thanks for proving me wrong, I guess. ‘Scuse me, while I barf.

      • Butch Nelson

        gosh Mojo sorry! your right maybe the thought of the O’Connors having a three way with a transvestitie is disgusting, lets just limit their orgies to other members of their immediate family!

      • Dennis

        What a foul person you are. Makes your argument so compelling.

        Bash the transgendered while pretending to be standing up for their rights. How could anyone not see things you’re way?

      • marshwill

        Mojo, perhaps there is hope for you. You seem to have a limit on how deep your can go into the wacky mire of your colleagues without getting your sense of propriety violated.

    • marshwill

      Would love to see them get another half million from suing your sorry, LYING, SLANDERING ASS OFF!!

  • Darth Darth Binks

    Religious zealots will give money to anything with Jesus in the mix.

  • Jon Tulsa Maas

    answer this question…. if you owned a business that made t-shirts with custom designs, would you make them for someone that wanted them to read Gays are the Devils Children and on the back… Women should be barefoot and pregnant and wear a muzzle? If the answer is yes you are one sick puppy. If no, you are doing the same thing that the pizza place said they would do…..

    • Under the RFRA in its original or current form in Indiana, and as I understand the law, I don’t have to make “gays are the devil” T-shirts, since there’s no compelling state interest in forcing me to do so. Plenty other folks can and will make those shirts, for about as good a price. I probably wouldn’t make those shirts and I certainly wouldn’t make shirts saying women should be barefoot and pregnant, even if that were my personal preference. The thing you seem to be missing is the concept of a public accommodation; food, drink, shelter and transportation are examples of public accommodations-libraries, too. In fact, I can’t refuse a T-shirt, but I can refuse a T-shirt with a message on it, in exercising my religious beliefs. Personally, I wouldn’t sell Confederate flag shirts or shirts with the iron cross or a swastika, hells, the Maltese Cross, I gotta take on a case by case basis, and If I were a tattoo artist, I might deign to ask a customer what (s)he meant by that. But I’d be more than happy to tattoo a swastika on a white pacifist who’s about to go to prison, maybe even if he did the crime, but I would do the same for a person of color if they needed and could get protection from the AB. That’s called compassion, LOL

  • kanenas101

    The left is just jealous that none of their fundraisers for anything ever worked out this well this quickly.

    • I gotta admit; nobody is better at getting people to open their wallets than the NRA.

      • Charles Vincent

        wow ignorance rears its ugly head.

      • I absolutely support the Second Amendment, I’m a gun owner and a veteran. I disagree with the NRA on only two points; doctors and pediatricians should be allowed to quote handgun statistics to parents, and more guns does NOT equal less crime, unless the gun owners are trained.If there’s enough money to lobby congress, there’s enough to more than cover training, for every purchaser. It should be free, in a country where it’s this easy to get a gun.

      • Charles Vincent

        Well looks like I need to draw this in crayon. The NRA has nothing to do with the article the donations reportedly came from individual people not the NRA or other group.

        “and more guns does NOT equal less crime, unless the gun owners are trained.”

        This is demonstrably false the number of gun deaths has steadily declined since the 1990’s and the number of guns in private ownership has been increasing.

        But just for shits and giggles lets look at Chicago. Wow look at that gun control is totally working in Chicago.

        Lets talk about Chicago’s firearms homicide rate

        In 2011 Chicago’s number of homicides by fire arm was 362. The total murders were 433. Compare that with the total homicides for the whole state of Illinois at 452, 377 of those were from firearms. So the City of Chicago was responsible for 362 of the 377 the firearms homicides for the whole state and was 433 of the 452 total homicides for the whole state.

        FBI table 20

        http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-20

        report on Chicago

        https://portal.chicagopolice.org/portal/page/portal/ClearPath/News/Statistical%20Reports/Murder%20Reports/MA11.pdf

        One little addendum to the data, Illinois under reported in 2011 Illinois3

        “3 Limited supplemental homicide data were received”.

        On to your last point there is no such thing as “Free” someone pays for it somewhere along the line. and most likely it end up being the tax payers who pay.

      • kanenas101

        Heh… the leftists have every opportunity to show Americans how real fundraising works.

    • Wes Cptawsm May

      Please. I’d wager we were largely responsible for raising $5 million just to make a feature film of the Veronica Mars tv show, and did it in less than a week. Having right wing zealots pouring cash donations into something that allows them to display their biases against minorities requires the minimal amount of effort imaginable. This is like catnip to them. I’m certainly not jealous. I’m surprised the right wing media machine and its bile-spewing talking heads have actually raised so little money for this “cause”. Getting 30,000 anti-gay bigots to donate money is nothing. It’s their money, though. They can spend it however they choose.

      • kanenas101

        I’d wager we were largely responsible for raising $5 million just to make a feature film of the Veronica Mars tv show, and did it in less than a week.

        Even if that’s true, that show’s the left’s true priorities… saving a TV show.

        On the other hand, the people who donated to this pizza shop wanted to keep its owners and employees from not being homeless after they and their business was threatened with actual violence because of a trumped up “news” story.

        If you think your example is more honorable, then congratulations, you’re exactly what is wrong with this country.

      • Paul Duca

        Only because they think their “Christian” God will reward them–nothing more.

      • kanenas101

        Yup.

      • Paul Duca

        So you admit you are self-serving, even in what passes for religion in your selfish, self-satisfied head?

      • kanenas101

        It isn’t my problem that my God gives us eternal life for living out our faith.

        I’d rather explain to Jesus that I helped out someone in need, than wasted my time trying to save a TV show.

      • Paul Duca

        It isn’t MY problem you’ll accept an eternal life as crappy as your earthly one…

      • kanenas101

        Then why are you complaining? It isn’t like there’s anything waiting for you so why get your panties in a knot?

      • Paul Duca

        It’s more people like you forcing the rest of us to sit around and wait for this supposed “reward”

      • kanenas101

        ROFL. Yes our very existence is forcing you to follow our faith.

      • Paul Duca

        Then why do you insist we get along and go along with you…then get annoyed when we don’t magically realized your “faith” is the predigested instant solution to everything you’ve been told it is?

      • kanenas101

        We don’t. If you don’t want to subscribe to our faith then no one is forcing you to do it.

        On the other hand, you use the government to force people who object to you to violate their beliefs. And of course, you see nothing wrong with that.

      • Paul Duca

        You think God actually notices you enough to tell if you’re doing that?

      • kanenas101

        Why do you care about the opinions of something you think is mythical?

      • Paul Duca

        I think God is real…what I DON’T believe is that He will ever bother to take an interest in me or provide the tiniest bit of help.

      • kanenas101

        So then why are you worried about people who do feel this way?

        We’re not the ones forcing you to believe.

        You’re the ones forcing some of us to violate what we believe to be tenets of our faith.

      • Paul Duca

        I just feel sorry for simpletons like yourself….wasting your whole lives waiting for pie in he sky that never will arrive.

      • kanenas101

        Which is why you’re ok with the state forcing people who think like I do to obey your will.

        Interesting.

      • Paul Duca

        A murderer who sincerely repents on his deathbed gets just as much from God as someone like yourself, who feels forced to obey His will (as defined by others) all his life…and it’s still pretty lousy, regardless.

      • kanenas101

        Who says I am feeling forced to follow a particular faith?

  • Charles Vincent

    And for the bigotry from the other side.

    Here is our point. A Christian making a homosexual cake with
    “Support Gay Marriage” goes against his faith and a homosexual putting “GayMarriage Is Wrong” goes against his faith as well. Now of course we honor their right to say no, this is not the issue, but what about honoring the Christianright to also say no?

    http://abcnews.go.com/Business/memories-pizza-indiana-thousands-donations-cater-gay-wedding/story?id=30064109

    Not such a sad ending after all.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/indiana-pizza-shop-owners-in-hiding-as-donations-pour-in/ar-AAap2k5

    As of today ~18k people have raised ~550k for the pizzeria owners.

    • Alex Ovechicken

      They should bake a cake for the gays with some very “special” ingredients to mark the festive occasion…and give them a BIG smile when they deliver it…

      • Charles Vincent

        That would be an actual crime.

      • Alex Ovechicken

        mmmm hmmmm…What’s your point?

      • Charles Vincent

        I don’t advocate killing people for being a certain way. I object to people forcing their ideology on others. Furthermore I despise hypocrisy. Which is what the video links I provided Highlighted.

      • Paul Duca

        I know Alex’s point is on his head….

      • Wes Cptawsm May

        Ladies and gentlemen, the rational, reasoned approach to fellow human beings who just happen to be gay of the modern conservative ideology. When this is the kind of vile ignorance and seething hatred representative of our opponents on this issue, is it any wonder the nation has struggled for a humiliating and inexcusable span of time to finally achieve the across the board, unqualified liberty and equality guaranteed all citizens at the founding of our country centuries ago? There are too many small minded, weak and toxic people out there who cling to disgraceful biases against others due either to their own empty, disappointing lives or because the benefits of maintaining fear and disdain for a common enemy among right wing zealots outweigh any potential crisis of conscience. People like Alex see the gay community as an enemy to be destroyed or exterminated, not even batting an eye that their reprehensible view of fellow human beings says more about their own soullessness and the rot that has consumed them inside. You can’t have a logical debate on anything with people who are so blinded by ideology and negativity. All they have is their hate and stupidity. I guess the rest of us will just have to continue to carry the nation forward without them….we should be used to it by now. The right gave in to madness and delusion years ago, and have only sown the seeds of chaos and division ever since

    • There’s no such thing as a homosexual cake; you could have sex with a cake, but no cake ‘wants’ to have sex with you, regardless of your gender. I suspect that may also be true of people, in your case. BTW, homosexuality is not a religion, and neither is evolution; people choose to follow/exercise a religion.

      • Charles Vincent

        Wow you’re stupid
        The videos were highlighting discrimination by LGBT bakeries you moron.

  • Ian Magus

    The left fed the trolls with this one because a bunch of smarmy, self-righteous millennial kids wanted to play pranks and feel like they were advancing social justice via Yelp. Made a mountain out of a molehill non-story that was easily ignored and turned a bunch of backwards yokels into national heroes of the far right. Pay attention because this is the kind of cocky bullshit that causes people to lose elections when they think they’re unbeatable.

    There are plenty of progressive kooks whose hearts are in the right place but they have nothing going on upstairs. These SJWs are morons who have never heard of the term “unintended consequences”. Stop feeding the trolls, you’re only making them stronger.

  • MovieClown

    It’s Obama’s fault.

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  • Wayne W

    I feel about this the same as I do about the dupes giving their money to Sarah Palin’s grifter PAC. Better that they spend their money to line the pockets of a scammer than to put it into anything that could effect real change. That is half a mil that isn’t going to harm anybody.

  • dingding

    American lifestyle is immoral! this is what they are spreading

  • Greg Halvorson

    LMAO — the owners of Memories Pizza didn’t “ANNOUNCE” SQUAT — they were specifically targeted by a despicable “journalist’ and deliberately smeared with just the kind of bald-faced lie you told in your opening paragraph… The response to this depraved homo-fascism has been overwhelming support for good people under attack by bug-eyed zealots… They’re pushing $900,000.00– a wonderful thing for them and for America.

  • People of Faith and Homosexuals are both engaged in the same unending battle for Freedom. They should not be fighting each other, but respect each other’s differences and unite together against their common enemy. Division only benefits the statist Tyrants that would enslave them both

  • Missi Allen

    I just don’t understand why everyone can’t just love one another. I’m not a Christian, but isn’t that what their faith teaches? Yes, it is. I was brought up Christian, but renounced the faith years ago when I found my true calling. A spiritual practice that actually practices what they preach. I’m only intolerant of a-holes.

  • J Britt Franklin

    I have a thought. Why not go to the gofundme.com web site and check it out. Doesn’t cost you anything and you can look through the dozens of widely different funding opportunities they have been involved in long before Indiana. Just sayin’.

  • Claudia Nelson, I note that others here have judged you not be Christian. I am sorry they have: It is rude, impertinent and inappropriate. Whether I agree with you or not – and I don’t – I leave all matters relating to the judgement of someon’s soul to the grace of God.
    Having said that I am very much of the opinion that no one chooses their sexuality. People don’t choose to behave against their nature – unless they feel forced by the expectations of society. Indeed, sexuality is often a continuum and some people move along it during their lives. We do no one any favours in considering sexuality as fixed. It is for that reason that I can not find it in me to describe any sexual behaviour involving consent as depraved. Whatever scripture says – and it’s views on sexuality and what constitutes marriage are nowhere near as clear cut as many have claimed – I can find no theological argument for a loving God whose children may not behave according to their God-given nature, and that includes their God given sexuality.

  • Randy Nichols

    The memories pizza situation has exposed the homofascist and Christianaphobes for who they are. This was show of what good people do when someone innocent is attacked.

  • AntiSocialist

    The Pink Mafia

  • So, the fund: if it is legal can it be fraudulent? Discuss.

    • Frank C-man

      If you suspect it is, you can report it to GoFundMe on their site. Let us know what they respond with, as Manny and his friend have already declared it a scam, so we all know that is true because they wouldn’t tell us that if it weren’t absolutely true.

      LGBT persons and their supporters have given money to the fund, so you’d be doing them a favor helping expose them as a fraud.

      • Freshly-rolled Disqus accounts are always fun.

      • blockthiscnn

        So commit fraud to accuse of fraud. That’s not dishonest at all.

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  • utahmike

    Canceled my Angie’s List subscription and donated money to the GOFUNDME. Memories Pizza is just like the ‘hands up don’t shoot’ situation. Where’s the LGBT disgust when a video of a Muslim owned bakery refuses to serve a gay wedding? Where’s the LGBT disgust when a video of a Gay owned bakery refuses to serve a traditional marriage party? Where’s the news media?

    • Steven DePriest

      Progressive’s aren’t concerned with “Moderate Muslims” and their religious beliefs. It’s only the “evil Christians” who are worthy of their venom and hate. The same “evil Christians” who throw gays off roofs or stone them to death. Oh wait…those aren’t Christians are they?

      • blockthiscnn

        Actually, we discuss how to dispatch gays in Sunday School. For example, last week was a talk on how to dress and act gay so we can sneak up on ’em. During holy week we train by throwing sandbags off a bridge. Thankfully the county started blocking the road for us this year.

  • Copeland D Greg

    please think about who you’re voting for and what they stand for this is a communist rule against gays if you want to live in Russia go for it this is the United States of America is a free country so far !!!

    • Steven DePriest

      If it was really a “free” country, then there wouldn’t be the threats against a couple who only “voiced” their opinion. NO ONE was denied. NO ONE was refused service. NO ONE was asked to leave. NO ONE was threatened, except the owners.

      If burning the American flag is allowed as “a freedom of expression” why isn’t that same freedom given to someone who simply makes a statement?

    • Darque Wing

      sound like a line from the gaystapo PR Manual

  • St. Louis Wrestling

    Ahem…you “media guys” were bigot shopping to manufacture a story to push your fascist agenda which isn’t really about gay marriage or gay rights, it was all about ripping down the first amendment and shifting power from the majority to a small radical fringe minority. Gay marriage happened to be the vehicle chosen to pursue it, just as communists used global warming as their vehicle. And this was also an attempt to create “war on women 2.0” as the Democrats have nothing to run on after eight years of the worst president to ever lead this country and may have started the countdown to a imminent nuclear war in the Middle East all because of being pissed off over Al Gore not elected president for the past 15 years.

    • Paul Duca

      An idiot Tea Party worshiping wrestling fan….brains out the blowhole–because they don’t want to stay in his body.

      Is wrestling not as much fun without the “Rooskie” villains, you piece of white trash waiting for a payday that is never going to come?

  • Shawn

    I would hardly call a bunch of people intentionally driving a buisness out of buisness, “good people of the world.” They are no better than the people they drove out of buisness. They are hypocrites for using hate and bigotry as a weapon for their own agenda.

  • Bryan Koenig

    This site is nothing but lies

  • Mike weatherford

    Here is the truth for you. If that reporter had not went to that pizzeria you would have never heard of these people. Because LBGT would have eaten there and never had an issue. And chances are no same sex marriage couple would have asked them to cater. This is a hate campaign based on a non issue that liberals started to ruin these peoples lives. It is common knowledge that Muslims openly dispise gays but you rationalize that it is ok not to hate them because they are Muslim. So just be honest with yourself and admit you hate Conservatives and that is what all this is actually about.

  • Flying with Dignity

    A lot of the conservative views are becoming completely irrelevant. Their children are embarrassed to be seen in public with them and they apologize for the things that come out of their mouths. Those same kids are looking for different churches and spiritual support, probably United Church of Christ or Unitarian Universalism. Becoming the minority viewpoint must be very hard to accept. I’m not too worried about it.

  • Flying with Dignity

    Also, has anyone even questioned for a moment that perhaps the threats to “burn down” their business were actually NOT from any gay bullies or their allies? I would interpret those threats as being from either someone mentally unstable OR from someone trying to make a big splash. A picket sign? Yes. Perhaps a lawsuit? Yes. A bill to support a new law to prevent descrimination? Yes. A boycott? Yes. A death threat? Um no.

    • John Ash

      Liberals threaten people on the internet all the time. In real life, they’re just pussies who can’t back it up anyway.

      • Darque Wing

        They fail at the one on one.

  • Scott Anthony

    It’s time to move on from this debate. The sources of donations, where the money goes and is used for is flagged so it will be tracked and out of everyone’s hands. Clearly we can see conservative ideals are focus on imposing their beliefs over others, hurting others, and wasting money rather then helping those who truly are in need of it. We see this often in their agenda to divide.
    I am Buddhist and feel people should have a right to their faith, which they already do. However empowering ones faith over others is driven by ego and desires. Attachment to it and the power they can have. Not a clear mind, divine purpose, and real need.
    As a Buddhist I can embrace everyone, and well help everyone regardless. That includes those who take advantage of others. However wisdom means speaking openly and offering a reflection to help others see it. Some are clear enough to see issues, others are still consumed with attachments, suffering illusion, and need to do the same to others. Everyone has to work with their own mind. Realize the attachments to concepts that are illusion, material needs, are illusion, and lead to suffering. Cause and effect will play out.
    You can speak openly which some have in a straight forward manner, but wishing harm or ill will on even the sources of manipulation has no good cause. While the conservative agenda is to use the business itself to force their view, we need to be show wisdom but still compassion. The current generation of superior ego thinkers will be replaced by a new generation some day, and the sway has changed.
    Everyone has a right to love who they wish and will. States can impose law but the supreme law will always remain above it even when they fight it. This isn’t a Christian nation, and Adams and many of the founders actually stated that in quote. This is a Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Pagan, and atheist nation. A nation where you can practice your religion freely, but not use it to persecute others like it has in the past. To prevent their search of happiness. That is the true foundation. No matter how others gain a “God” complex to want to feel superior, and use religion as an excuse to hurt others and deny them the same citizenship as themselves.
    When faced with these oppressive people. Realize self and mind. Let it pass without further evaluation, stand for wisdom and what is right. Use compassion to those who allow ignorance to guide them, and remain open and wise. Not all Christians are anti-progress, I have worked with many who embrace real love, and are compassionate to help many in need.
    When others threaten you with hell or eternal death, liberate the mind above that cycle. Share that compassion for all sentient life. When you are generous and compassionate, it makes others feel good, and they often will reflect it back to others.

  • Linda Karen Taylor

    They had a right to refuse service to anyone. End of discussion.move on nothing to see here. This is America, the pizza place has the right not to serve anyone they chose not to. You don’t agree, go open your own store and serve who you chose to.Get a life people.

  • Dom63

    Jennifer C Call, Why , as a IGNORANT BIRTHER, taking Social Security from a government you hate being run by a man YOU believe isn’t the President? The 1st sign of your mental state in my opinion. You like these con artists are no more than frauds. Frauds that aren’t even smart enough to conceal your racism and ignorance, but you will donate to it.

  • Maxwell Jaxwell

    what exactly is the scam? People donated, no scam there.

  • Herodotus Halicarnassus

    Totally unsurprising.

  • Joseph Kool

    Who cares who started the fundraiser, the point is money is pouring in and people support this families opinion regarding freedom of religion. Stop being such vindictive haters. You just made these people millionaires congratulations and Happy Easter.

  • John Ash

    Funny how if a billionaire progressive like George Soros funds something, it’s “grass roots”, but if a conservative TV personality even get something set up and running to help an actual victim of leftist terrorism, it’s a “scam”.

  • John Ash

    Liberals should put their money where their mouths are and move to Syria. Problems solved.

  • John Ash

    Funny too how this is in response to a media created false story based on a pure hypothetical. Like someone asking me if I would fly to Mars with 3 gay astronauts. The answer would be no, no matter how much NASA begs, and only partly because I’d rather not be stuck in a tiny capsule with gay men, if I’m going to go to a horrible death.

  • Joseph Kool

    Happy ester haters

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  • Allison Kirkpatrick

    Professional victimhood is truly a get-rich quick scheme for those in the right place at the right time. See also: Anita Sarkeesian.

  • John Miles

    I’m tired of the homo nonsense! I guess that pride was just another manufactured failure you torment others because you can’t convince even yourselves that your not freaks or you would have better things to do!

  • Banjo

    Perhaps “progressive” Liberals would prefer that gays were thrown off of buildings instead of people declining to participate in gay “weddings”?
    I have never heard of a Conservative threatening to kill someone or burn their business down because they disagree with them.

  • AntiSocialist

    Progressives are just cultural Marxists

  • Four Chins

    Manny Schewitz’ and John Henry’s Hot New Liberal Theory:

    “We are so predictable you can play us like a fine Stradivarius and we will weep for being such idiots.”

  • lexingtonnchick

    You call them bigots – the 2nd favorite word for the left. BUT you are just as bigoted for not accepting them for their lifestyle. The LBGT community wants acceptance and they will step on anyone who won’t bow to them. I’m sorry- but you want people to respect you and your life/lifestyle however you have absolutely NONE for others. This article is just more lefty BS. I donated (and I have a gay daughter) without comment not because I am paid by the blaze, because I believe that you can’t take the freedom of one to give freedom to another. I just hope the LBGT community realizes that by these nasty comments, threatening to burn down businesses and such you are harming others in the LBGT community causing so much fear. People now see a lesbian and they hide thinking of the hate or the lawsuits. I have friends and family who don’t believe in gay marriage (I do though!!) and its OK, they don’t treat my daughter like she has a disease, they are very loving to her- but they don’t believe in the marriage. Less people I gotta feed at the reception!! This is their belief in their religion which they are entitled to- just as you are entitled to yours. Not everyone has to agree with yours and you don’t have to agree with others, but damn enough already. Acceptance goes BOTH ways.

  • Macdoodle

    God bless these fine people.Praise be onto lawdy jebus.

  • Peter Harley Robertson

    I HOPE ALL BIGOTS WHO USE RELIGION AS A MEANS TO REFUSE/DENY SERVICE TO A FELLOW HUMAN BEING — BURN IN HELL!! HADES DOORS ARE WAITING FR YOU!!! — GOD CREATED ALLOF US — SO GET LIFE !

    • Darque Wing

      No, some were left out to fertilize the ground.

  • Peter Harley Robertson

    If you believe in GOD — then JESUS Died for all our sins — and he treated everyone with LOVE !! BIGOTS — so prech LOVE not HATE!! True CHRISTAINS embrace all of us (Gay, Straight, Black, Brown, Green etc ..) so anyone who use GOD, JESUS in Vaine HADES is WAITING!~!

    • Righty-Tighty

      And he also said…..”Go and sin no more”

  • jammy jimmy

    Progressives don’t want tolerance and diversity. They want compliance and forced acceptance — and they want to silence and punish any person who opposes their beliefs.

  • Frederick Mullis

    This is so much BS its not even funny. Where is the Liberal Tolerance? WHy are you not raising hell at the Muslim bakery’s that also stated they would NOT bake cakes for Gay weddings? Not one word about that… Courtney Hoffman was one of thousands of people who donated over $842,000 to the Christian owners of the pizzeria last week after a high volume of online threats caused the business to temporarily close its doors. Death Threats.. I do not remember any death threats to the LGBT community except from the Iranian Mullah’s and President “Imadinnerjacket” of IRAN remember he said there were no gays in IRAN You and I both know that is CROCK and then he asked where they lived. ISIS or as Obummer calls them ISIL and all the rest of the IslamoTerrorists They are Murdering not only Christians but members of the LGBT community as well because their QURAN says they must. When was the last time yall raised hell about Obummer kissing IRAN’s ass??

  • Aztec01

    Got proof?

  • Mom26

    You people are and pathetic and bigots against Christians. The only reason you would go into an obviously religious pizza restaurant would be to stir up shit. Quit whining and get over yourselves. You just can’t stand that we are sick of being bullied and won’t put up with it anymore. People probably donated anonymously because they aee afraid of getting death threats from you aholes!

  • William Michael Stone

    Excuse me!!!!! Some one goes into an obviously conservative Community, and asks a pizza joint owner to cater a fictitious gay wedding, and the owner politely refuses, (this is America, you can’t force anyone to do something they dont believe in), and, then, when the “Gay Baiter” gets their imaginary wedding plans slightly thwarted, they come out on a national venue to BASH this little shop in a small Christian community!!!!???? With their imaginary feelings of “BUTT-HURT” really? You knuckle heads have lost your damned minds!! If this Pizza joint doesn’t want to cater a Gay wedding, go to someone that will. Leave these people alone. This was not a conservative plot. It was a case of some idiot trying to show the world how a conservative, small Community, believes……and they have the RIGHT to feel this way. AND, Since this country stood up to some butt-hurt “journalist” who used their imaginary wedding plans to destroy a small business that served THEIR COMMUNITY, you are all going to get sore about it?!?! You all should be ashamed, America spoke with their wallets, like they always do for people in need. You should be proud, not stupid. ( by the way, I love my gay friends……they dont force me to )

  • Rob D

    it is amazing how the militant gay community simply discounts, shouts down, and tries to ruin people who are truly working through their religious beliefs are not considered the bigots and intolerant individuals here.

    This all started from a law, which is also a federal law and on the books in over 38 States, which allows people which religious beliefs to be free from prosecution by the government if they have conflicted religious views. No one has refused any gay any service. What they have refused is to participate in a function which conflicts with their faith, gay marriage.

    It’s pretty funny how how over 54% of the American public supports the religious freedom law, and only 34% support government intrusion upon one’s religious beliefs….even though the numbers are totally reversed on the support of homosexual behavior.

    Gay militancy is more strident and intolerant than even the most fundamental strains of Islam.

    • Beck Mitchell

      I donated money to a boy today to help with his medical expenses … He said “God bless you” … I’m an atheist … He needed help … I could give it … Who I love wasn’t part of the exchange … My beliefs didn’t prevent me from being a decent human … These people seem to think they are God and can judge others … They are wrong and supporting them via a fundraiser is also wrong

      • Rob D

        You totally missed my entire point. I simply believe marriage is between a man and a woman, as does a number of mainstream religions. No one is discriminating against a gay person whatsoever. They simply do not want to participate in a ceremony which goes against their religious beliefs. I’m positive if anyone came in and ask for a birthday cake, anyone would make the cake for them, regardless of race, creed, etc. Just because you don’t believe in a God, doesn’t mean God doesn’t exist and religions don’t hold to tenets. That leaves religious people conflicted between civil and religious tenets, hence Indiana’s law.

      • Julie Marie Totsch

        First, you don’t believe in gay marriage – don’t have one. Second, my baker didn’t participate in my ceremony, they baked a cake. The idea that someone who is baking a cake is participating in the ceremony is ridiculous. (It was a very good cake.) Otherwise, the man that sells someone a handgun that is then used in a crime is participating in the crime, get it? Third, if they don’t want to sell the cake, fine. But, then don’t expect to be treated with any respect. People don’t like bigots. And, we’re no longer living in a world where one will be tolerated.

      • Rob D

        Therefore, the entire Catholic Church is bigoted…no. I love every person as an individual for what they are worth. That doesn’t mean the activities they do are moral or correct. God create man and woman, the Holy Family is a Mary, Joseph and Jesus. I believe marriage is a man and a woman. I don’t care what the State does with its marriage licensing. However, I don’t discriminate, nor am I a bigot. I would treat any gay person as I would anyone else. That doesn’t mean their activities are correct.

        Therefore, a Jewish baker is now required to bake a Nazi cake for neo-Nazi’s or a black baker needs to bake a cake for the KKK….correct?

  • Rob D

    Can’t get anything posted here, as the “forward progressive” censors don’t allow any divergent views.

  • Left-wing activist

    … There are pizza truthers?

    People expressed unpopular beliefs. They were viciously attacked. Good people came to their aid. What’s the fraud?

  • russ williams

    Sour grapes from the communists, Leftists, and Utopians. Take a hard look at your ideology… “if someone doesn’t believe what you believe, then they must be bigots.” How narrow minded is that?

    • observabletruths

      no if people arbitrarily discriminate against others that’s what makes them a bigot.

      • roccolore

        Gay bigots threatened to bomb the place.

  • Julie Marie Totsch

    Wow! Talk about arrogance and false prophets! The bakery was ambushed? A reporter asked a question, all they had to say was no comment – not spew hate. Gay people didn’t do this. We didn’t create a law that allowed people to ignore society’s laws and justify it by hiding behind Christianity. The biggest proponent to this law is the CEO of Salesforce, Marc Benioff, and he’s straight. This outrage isn’t just about gay rights. This law allows anyone to deny service to any person on religious grounds. You no longer have to serve blacks, Muslims, Jews, the disabled, whatever. And, thanks to the Hobby Lobby decision by the US Supreme Court, you no longer have to follow a law that you believe goes against your religion. Do you have any idea how dangerous that is?
    No, you don’t. Because if you (and, I’m speaking to the right-wing Christians) did, you wouldn’t care about this bakery and you’d be fighting to end this law. Because, you’re not protected either. Keep claiming about how persecuted you are in the land of the free and then stand there and watch your rights erode. Societies did not stand long when groups of people are allowed to ignore the law because of their religion. And, this law doesn’t just “protect” Christians, it allows all religious people to ignore the law.
    Now, let’s get something else straight, so to speak. Just because Democrats believe in the separation of Church and State – it doesn’t mean they lack morals. Just because a left-wing person doesn’t hold one religion in higher regard than another – it doesn’t make them anti-Christian. It makes them American.
    The right doesn’t hold the exclusive on morality or Christianity and I am a little more than tired at the arrogance that assumes you do. Let’s examine some facts, shall we?
    The Left didn’t invade Iraq.
    The Left believes in programs to help the poor.
    The Left believes in immigration.
    The Left believes in workers’ rights.
    The Left believes all are created equal.
    The Left believes in separation of church and state.
    The Left doesn’t believe violence and War is the answer to our problems.
    The Left believes in healthcare for all.
    Every single one of these beliefs can be found in Christ’s teachings.
    If those of you on the right could stop whining about your Christian rights being trampled long enough to think and pray on this, you’d see that I am correct.
    You won’t, because your hearts are cold and you listen to false prophets and fall for them and get dragged farther and farther from the truth that you cannot recognize it any more. You’ll ridicule this comment, but faith the size of a mustard seed just might eat at you under your eyes are open and you can see again.
    I pray that you see the lies of the right-wing for what they are before it is too late.
    God Bless

  • roccolore

    The gay fascists threatened to bomb the pizzeria and they have the nerve to cry “scam.”

  • alex

    He Who Is Without Sin Cast The First Stone
    I only wish those Christians in Indiana who passed a discrimination bill could take this message to heart. I believe he was trying to teach people what hypocrisy in its most evil and ruthless form really looks like in the eyes of God.

    • Why do you people always bring up that “casting the first stone” stuff in regards to situations that have nothing to do with the death penalty, which is what that whole passage is about? Jesus and his disciples condemned plenty of sin in their time. Ironically, because of that they were targeted for death by people just. like. you.

      • alex

        regardless of your religious views, gay people need civil protections and equality. People like me who only wish the best for everybody is a fundamental basic for good people in the world. Apparently the government in indiana is only interested in their own hatred and prejudices. Im very proud to live in Canada where this petty bs was gotton over more than a decade ago. Gay people deserve equality and civil protections and the right to marry. Why is that such hard concept to grasp in the states?

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  • Kirk Trance Medium

    I guess now if you want to drive across America you’ll need a new map or blueprint showing you where you’ll get served and where you’ll get run out of town for asking for a meal or a piece of pizza – they have done such an evil evil thing which is not right nor religious nor Christian nor American

    • Uh, no. All they said is that they wouldn’t cater a gay wedding. They have clearly affirmed that they are perfectly open and willing to serve meals to gays and anyone else in their establishment.

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  • Sara York

    Targeting Christians or those that don’t believe in gay marriage is a scam. Shake them down, ruin their life, that is the liberal gay scam!

  • Scott Smith

    Repressive progressives lost big time on this one. As well they should have. Lefty bullies have to lie now to save face. You should never have threatened a place over a hypothetical question. But the Lefty brown shirt though police can’t tolerate any defiance.

  • MsStevil .

    Hiding behind ‘religion’ is fruitless. Do you really think you can fool God? Do you really believe that He would approve of your hateful bigotry?

    • Given that God condemns homosexuality as sin, He absolutely would approve of Christians having nothing to do with unrepentant sinners beyond calling them to repentance and faith.

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  • marshwill

    A CBS local reporter took it upon her self to report it as a scam, without first doing any research to determine who started it and whether it was legitimate. She is now under appropriate pressure and trying to backtrack and somehow explain her actions, repeatedly pointing out that she did it on her “own” and her act was not reflective of her job with the Richmond, VA CBS affiliate. It is clear that she is trying to save her job.

    https://thedaleygator.wordpress.com/2015/04/03/leftist-journalist-tries-to-get-memories-pizza-fundraiser-page-shut-down-for-fraud/

  • Frank C-man

    Well aware, yes, thanks. At least she took that step, dishonest as it was. It seems Manny is only interested in spreading a half-baked narrative. If I’m wrong and he’s truly on to something malicious where folks he cares about are being duped of their hard-earned money, then it seems he might have the courage of his convictions to take appropriate measures to prevent that perceived injustice from continuing. Doesn’t seem to be the case, though.

    I live in Richmond. That reporter from what I’ve seen has been fair in her past reporting and the station is not at all left-ward or conservatively biased. She screwed up posting that with her employer’s name on her Twitter page as if she were saying it as their representative. I don’t care to see her fired, but whatever she did, I think she let her emotions get the best of her, she clearly embarrassed the station, and she hasn’t been completely honest in her apology or her excuses.