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The Bankruptcy of Detroit is the Future of America under the GOP

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Today it was announced that Detroit was filing for bankruptcy, making it the largest US city to go belly-up in our history. While it was no surprise that this was something that would eventually happen, the scary thing is that many other cities and even our own country are headed in this same direction. This is not an isolated incident, this is the shape of things to come if we don’t adjust our course very rapidly.

All around the United States, we’re seeing crumbling bridges and other infrastructure. Our education system is on the decline, much like the rest of the country, and through all of this the constant answer from the GOP and corporate America has been “outsource, privatize and cut taxes.” Over and over again, we see politicians promise that only by shrinking the size of government, stripping regulations and handing out more corporate subsidies will we be able to get back on the path to the “good old days” — which ironically happened to be when we had a large tax base, high taxes on the wealthiest earners and thriving unions.

Detroit didn’t crumble on her own, and it wasn’t as if this happened overnight. Detroit is very likely the dreary vision of the United States of America within my lifetime (I’m in my 30′s, by the way) if we continue to allow corporate America to kill unions, ship well-paying jobs overseas and replace them with part-time positions at Wal-Mart. Detroit is where we will end up sooner than later if we continue to buy the BS assurances that “the wealth will trickle down eventually” and keep on giving tax cuts to the top earners of the ever-shrinking tax base.

A city, or a country, cannot survive with a workforce comprised of mostly low-wage earners and only a few wealthy people paying little to no taxes. You cannot slash your way to prosperity, just as you cannot cut education funding and expect kids to suddenly become smarter, or teachers more motivated. You cannot continue to ask employees to work for less and slash their benefits, then complain that 47% of Americans are “takers” who are jealous of those with wealth and just want a handout.

Outsourcing and the race to the bottom for cheaper goods and labor is what bankrupted Detroit, and if we don’t do something very quickly, it’ll be what takes the rest of the country down as well. Detroit should be a stark reminder of what we have to look forward to in a future with a government run by the 1%, for the 1%.

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Manny Schewitz is a progressive from the Dirty South with an inclination to say it like it is. He is a co-founder of Forward Progressives, and also maintains an active and lively presence on Facebook. You can find him on Twitter as well, @MannySchewitz. Be sure to check out Manny's archives on Forward Progressives for more of his viewpoints.

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  • Allen

    If there’s a “sheep’s clothing” sot of thing … as a Mississippian in search of a life-affirming situation … I’d love nothing more than to settle in Detroit in the hopes that I’d find a welcoming homestead in the heart of the city …

    • boxerson

      I wish you were right, better a homestead then a gun in the heart.

  • Dirty Texas

    Yeah, I guess the past 50 years of GOP governance in Detroit finally did the city in. Oh, sorry… I forgot. Detroit has has Democrat mayors for more than three decades. High taxes must be the solution; Detroit has had them for many years. Unions are the future; uh, well, they were in 1905. Not so much now. Detroit is a perfect example of what NOT to do. Take the fastest growing city in the United States in the first 25 years of the 20th century, and turn it into a wasteland. California, Illinois, take a long, hard look at Detroit. In 1950, the city of Detroit was a model for the rest of the world; in 2013, it is Haiti with a much colder climate, but with the same politics. This post-apocalyptic wasteland is your future, California, if you continue on the same path of unionized labor, high taxes, over-regulation, and corrupt government. Those of us blessed by God to live in Texas will be enjoying our prosperity, and feeling sorry for y’all. Best wishes!

    • boxerson

      Texas you have got to be kidding/ You need to watch this city as the Republicans continue to take the rights away of citizens that live there.
      Detroit may have had problems with local government officials but I did not see the Federal government step in and throw these bums in jail. They needed help and what help they did get bailing out the car industry helped but it was too far gone y then.
      sad day in the history of the United States. Chicago next how about St. Louis, Arizona the whole state. My friend Texas is no better off. The rich get richer and the middle class get poorer and the poor only get less.
      Stop sending money abroad and fighting wars and build up this great country before we fall and have no one to blame but ourselves,

    • MrWereman

      Blessed by God to live in Texas? The state where the white men domineer their wives into silent submission thinking that voting for the GOP is what they want/need? Oh yeah, I will TOTALLY vote for a party that wants to be a submissive servant. Women’s rights? Hypocrisy.
      Let’s also look at the top 15 states with the worse national debt… 9 of 15 are Republican. Fiscally conservative? Hypocrisy. We all know they don’t give a shit about the poor and anyone other than a white faced male in his 50s but many Republican states will claim they’re “Christian” and have “strong moral values”. Hypocrisy. You want a prosperous America yet want to keep making bombs to throw at enemies on the other side of the world while shipping off the sons and daughters of the poor (not the wealthy or congress people) to die for a cause of perpetuating your wealth. Hypocrisy and detestable.

      You want to keep minorities uneducated so you can continue to lie to them in order to obtain votes while continuing to treat them like the slaves they were hundreds of years ago. Hypocri… Well no… Your party has made that all but apparent… I can’t back that last “hypocrisy” up because it’s stark truth.

      • go Navy

        What planet are you on? You know not one truthful thing about republicans – only dem talking points. Perhaps some day (if you ever bother to actually become informed) the scales will fall from your eyes and you will see the dems and progressives for what they truly are. Do some research, you’ll find that republicans/conservatives give FAR more money to charities to help the poor than liberals do. Libs talk a lot but do little to actually help. BTW, many more conservatives join the service (including my 2 sons) than liberals, so you can stop beating that drum.

      • MsGood Stuff

        Your the exact opposite of the previous writer just spitting out GOP talk points. If u look @the reality republican policies do not support poor people ( ex. Cutting food stamps). Liberals tend to support programs that help the poor, elderly & children.

      • dnhook

        Food stamps. The new currency thanks to the race baiter in chief.

      • John Prokop

        “you’ll find that republicans/conservatives give FAR more money to charities to help the poor than liberals do.” Perhaps. But what charities? Churches? Churches are richer than many corporations. they’re not giving it away. At the same time, they’re decimating our economy. They also may be making charitable contributions mainly as tax deductions? hmmmmmm

      • Memebusters

        Hmmm.. Katrina comes to mind when I read your post! What do they give? $20 out of their millions that they stole off the backs of the hard working slaves of this country? I’m embarrassed to see that you served in the US Navy like myself. Maybe some of your shipmates can tell you about the time in the 80′s when we were spending thousands of dollars on a single toilet seat for the ship’s head to support the military industrial complex under Bush Sr. Now we are doing the same by fighting un-just wars in foreign nations. Oh wait, your party is Christian too… Jesus was for War!

      • dnhook

        Slaves? You’re a slave to your government. You’d die without it, wouldn’t you? STFU and go watch Idol, you moron.

      • Spikeyi

        With perfect foresight, bet you most women would take silent submission in Texas over what would happen to them walking around Detroit for an evening….even if what you said were true.

      • Memebusters

        Outstanding Post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • lonestarlet

        You don’t know the first thing about Texas, its women, Christianity, or fiscal conservatism, as proved by the “stark truths” of your hypocrisy. I am a Christian Texas woman who believes in fiscal conservatism. I have my concealed handgun license, live debt-free, own my house and a beautiful 2012 car. I stopped working outside the home 11 years ago due to a chronic illness, but chose not to apply for Soc Sec disablitiy because of a moral conviction that I did not need it. My husband and I also give much to charity, both monetarily and with our time.

        Vietnam was over 40 years ago so your stupid references to our most recent war entanglements as something being equal to it are pathetic. However, I will forgive your ignorance apparently borne out of you not having lived thru that era. We’ve had a little terrorism on our own shores lately, which has affected the lives of every American, tho some more than others. So your desire to completely pull away from the rest of the world is not going to happen. There is no draft, so those soldiers are enlisting of their own accord.

        We would love nothing more than for the oil and gas resources right underneath our feet to be opened for development. That would provide cheaper energy for our country, reducing our reliance on other countries for their oil & gas, and would also provide thousands of sorely needed jobs. But the present administration will not let it happen for reasons that are supercilious, at best.

        As for the charitable Christians, we take care of the truly needy. Many who say they are “in need” are only “in WANT” of more. The culture today encourages them to take all they can get for nothing, so lines are drawn in the sand to put a stop at some point. Those are people who need to take responsibility for themselves and their families. There is so much assistance out there for those who will seek it on their own. Unfortunately so many just have to have it dropped into their laps.

        So, yes, blessed by God to live in Texas. Wouldn’t have it any other way.

    • Corey krantz

      You had me till the last sentence!

    • Matthew

      Ha! Texas is totally fucked. Gutted by Rick Perry and company. “Y’all” are fucking screwed!

      • greekdish

        In what way? They are growing faster than any other state. Only ones being screwed are Democrat run states.

      • Memebusters

        I hope you are correct! It would be great if all the ignorant right wingnuts went to Texas. Please be true!!!

      • Scott Cunningham

        Yeah!! Texas is screwed by low taxes, booming economy, vibrant growth, high employment, and a dynamic business climate. Screw that place. We need more Detroits!!!

      • Memebusters

        Well it was the Texans in the Federal Govt. that destroyed Detroit!

    • ColoradoTruthTeller

      I’m guessing you don’t live near a fertilizer plant, do you?

  • boxerson

    Because it is mostly a black city the GOP let it go. Just as they have given this president a hard time and refused to work with him not because he is a Democrat but because he is a black man. Time and time they let this happen. Shame on them.

    • dasboatless

      Actually, they were a bunch of petulant children under Clinton and carter as well….

    • tj

      Let me guess, you are black.

      • Memebusters

        Let me guess you are a Christian right? I can tell by your hateful racial slurs and how you support greed!

      • dnhook

        Let me guess. You’re an unemployed welfare recipient.

    • greekdish

      The GOP hasnt been in charge of Detroit for 60 years. To blame the GOP proves your ignorance much like the author’s

      • boxerson

        The Federal government the Republicans in Washington refused to help for a long time the bailout finally when they did it was to late come-on wake up and at least admit more could have been done had the Republicans stepped up to the plate.

    • Scott Cunningham

      Absolute untruth, and nothing but race baiting. Detroit’s problems have been going on LONG before there was a black man in the Oval Office. Besides, its not the president’s job to fix Detroit. The people of that city ran it into the round, not the republicans or whites.

      • Memebusters

        Ok… The republicans have just ran the whole country to the ground with their greed! Their “Family Values” means enslave the masses and keep the fruits of the family’s labor for themselves! Good Christians that they are!

      • Scott Cunningham

        Hmmm, so its wrong with wanting to keep the fruits of your own labor, but its moral to take from those who have earned, and “re-allocate” to those who have not? Yes, the Marxist path…. And when it fails (as it invariably does, see Detroit), look to where capitalism has succeeded, and blame that!!!

      • Robert Kaschner

        Apparently there’s some sort of “social contract” we’re all born into, even if we don’t like it. I haven’t seen it, or signed it, or consented to it’s existence in any way, but I hear it exists. Somewhere…

      • TropicDave173

        No, it’s not wrong to want to keep the fruit of one’s labors. But what of the increasing instances when the playing field gets skewed to the favor of business and the wealthy – the ones able to afford lobbyists to get those laws changed to their favor? And if you consider that productivity, corporate profits and the Dow are all at high levels, Obama’s doing a pretty poor job as a socialist or Marxist. What we DO need is a return to the days of prosperity when we had a higher tax base, more union membership and a larger middle class. Rampant, predatory capitalism is as bad as totalitarianism (I don’t claim communism because we’ve NEVER seen it in its pure form…human greed has ALWAYS interfered in whatever government exists).

      • lonestarlet

        TropicDave, your proffered solutions list is exactly the recipe for poison. Can’t you learn from history? Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome. The business owners deserve their profits, as they are the ones who take the risks. Remove them from the scene and there are NO JOBS. The conflict that exists is between the HUMAN GREED of the private sector and the HUMAN DESIRE FOR POWER that comes from govt. I’ll take the greed over the power defect anytime.

      • Animal63

        And what of the workers who made those profits possible? The business owners certainly didn’t do it all on their own, yet they’re reaping all the fruit of not only their own labor, but that of their workers as well.

      • TropicDave173

        You say doing the same thing over and over is insanity. Can we then agree that tax cuts, trickle-down economics and other Republican tactics are insane? Because they’ve been trying to shove them up our asses for thirty years now. And they DON’T WORK. Also, if you’d bothered to read, I never claimed that business owners weren’t worthy of their profit. But when you become successful, and demand increases, claiming “I did it all on my own” is egregious at best. You then rely on labor to provide you with the needed productivity.
        You might wish to see how the economies compared under different economic conditions. Interestingly, when the income disparity was far less than it is now, we had a strong middle class and a higher percentage of union membership. That has been attacked these last thirty years or so. Businesses lobbied successfully to remove regulations and laws that they saw as restrictive. But they also removed restraints on greed and allowed the shift of wealth upward to those who are already the wealthiest in the country. Remember the Middle Ages? We’re fast becoming a nation of ‘nobles’ (as the rich see themselves) and the peasantry. The middle – tradesmen and merchants back 700 years ago, now just our middle class – is shrinking fast.
        Guess what? No matter how much they spend, there are too few of the wealthy to sustain an economy. The ONLY cure to our financial woes is to provide a living wage to the working class that allows them to participate in our economy at a much fuller level. And your heroes the rich and powerful are doing what they can to see that doesn’t happen. Because if it did, then they wouldn’t have as much power, and ultimately that’s what all this is about. I don’t expect to change your mind, but the rush to rule in America is, for the most part on both sides, a quick race to the bottom. We’re already seeing the statistics siding down. Just check education, health, wealth or whatever you choose. Then tell me we need to continue polarizing ourselves.

      • rex

        so what if the Dow is up.(S&P is a better gauge ) you don’t get the money unless you sell. and if you do you owe the tax. And most of the gain on a stock held say 10 years, it is mostly nothing but inflation. yet you are taxed,on the inflated dollars.

      • Animal63

        The CEO’s did not earn 300-500+ times the income of their bottom level workers. Adam Smith, the father of modern economics himself, said that CEO’s should get no more than about 30 times their workers’ pay. 300-500+ times your entry level workers’ pay is not capitalism or the fruits of your labor, that’s corruption and greed.

      • dnhook

        Spread the wealth, right? How about get off your ass, refuse the handout and make something out if your pathetic life. Detroit deserves its fate. Flush it, raze it and build a parking lot.

      • Animal63

        Actually, many if not most of those on welfare DO WORK- at CONSERVATIVE companies like WalMart, who refuse to pay a decent, livable wage, or benefits. In fact, WalMart ENCOURAGES their workers to apply for public assistance.

      • Robert Kaschner

        I don’t know what you consider a decent wage. Probably something like 20 bucks, because you don’t know ow to stop spending. Personally, I’m able to live very comfortably on minimum wage (and I did for almost a year 2 years ago before I got my current one where I replaced two other former workers and I now get paid $10.50), because I don’t think I need a car when I can just bike to work. Because I don’t need smart phone in order to survive, and I don’t need high speed internet and a huge television. Take a look at all these people on welfare or working for minimum wage. They have more than i do, and all they do is complain, instead of fucking doing something about it, like learning the skills to get a different job that pays more. This is the problem with democracy. All those pieces of shit are given a legally justified way to steal from hardworking men and women.

      • Animal63

        “Personally, I’m able to live very comfortably on minimum wage” You can’t even afford a 1 bedroom apartment in many cities, not even in the crack areas, on a minimum wage job, even if you work full time, without at least 1-2 roommates, and/or getting a 2nd, or even a 3rd job.

        Also, in many places, a car is needed, because public transit is unavailable or unreliable, and many employers expect you to have your own transportation.

        As for cell phones, most employers expect you to have a phone where you can be reached at.

        Also, I have a friend doing social work, and most of the people she works with have no car, no electronic devices, save maybe a 10-15 year old TV, and a crappy apartment in the slums that they can barely afford on their minimum wage jobs, which are increasingly the only ones available.

      • Robert Kaschner

        Then don’t live in a i bedroom apartment if you can’t afford it. What the fuck is so complicated about that concept? Do i really need to point out every way you can possibly save money? Are you that fucking stupid? Room with somebody, or live at a co-op, dumbass. There, is that simple enough for you?
        If you don’t like public transit, use a bike. People do that all the time, biking over 20 miles just for kicks. I bike 2.5 miles to work now. I used to bike 6 when I made minimum wage. Quit you’re complaining, you’re just fucking lazy.
        I have friends benefiting from the welfare and many others on minimum wage with no benefits. They don’t even file for state tax credits, and they are much better off than what you describe.

      • Animal63

        Sounds like you missed where I said that in many cities, 2-3 people are rooming together in a 1 bedroom apartment. And co-ops aren’t available in many areas. Even where they do exist, they often have long waiting lists. So their only other option is either living with parents or other relatives, if that’s even possible, or staying at a homeless shelter, or living in a cardboard box or makeshift shanty with no heat or running water.

        And biking 20+ miles to and from your job everyday? That might be somewhat feasible in like, Mayberry, or some other rural or suburban area, but in many cities, you’d be having to go thru unsafe, high crime areas where you risk being robbed or hit with a stray bullet every day, and being all that more vulnerable to criminals because you’re not in an enclosed vehicle.

      • Robert Kaschner

        I manage a house with 27 rooms, in a city, over the summer. We have trouble filling it up when we have the cheapest rent and parking around (which as I’ve alluded before, is VERY affordable, easily afforded on minimum wage). If one city doesn’t work for you, go to another, or leave the city altogether instead of thinking society should help you out if you haven’t tried everything already. Anyone that destitute doesn’t have anything to take with them anyway, so there’s really no reason not to be flexible about where they live.
        Sorry about your fears of getting hit by a stray bullet (it’s statistically more probable you die of leprosy, and it’s not like a vehicle magically stops all bullets from touching you), but it’s not government’s job to provide you more just because you allow yourself to live in fear. If you’re in Chicago, I’d understand the fear(more murders there than all american deaths in the current wars), but most other places I would not, and i would just once again mention the fact that one is not forced to live in a specific city(you can move elsewhere). Also, it’s important to note that, if, in fact, so many people do need the cheap housing provided from a co-op, it’s not that difficult to start one, even without any money.

      • Animal63

        Oh that’s SO easy Damn, to just pick up and move.. and pay the movers or pay for storage.. then it’s first month’s rent, last month’s rent and security deposit equal to one month’s rent up front just to get into a new place. and here, the one bedroom apartments cost nearly 2 grand a month.. you do the math..

        People don’t always have the resources to move and their is no guarantee of a job once you get there. Also, one may have obligations or responsibilities that preclude them from moving, or other issues, like lack of transportation, a house you can’t sell, or a spouse or partner who’s secure in their job.

      • Robert Kaschner

        I’m familiar with the process. I’ve done it before.
        But like I alluded to before, if you have too many thing to move easily, you’re not in poverty. You just spent your money on the wrong things. It’s not like someone who can’t find a job anywhere in their city really needs to keep their couch. Sell whatever it is that keeps you from being mobile, and use that money to move. Hitch-hike/ride share if need be.

      • Animal63

        And what happens when you have a house you can’t sell? I know, let’s burn it down for the insurance money, right?

        And if you have a spouse or partner who’s secure in their job and won’t leave? Like the divorce rate isn’t high enough already.

        Hitch hike? Yeah, and risk getting picked up by someone who turns out to be a criminal, a drunk, high on dope, or just a shitty driver. You have no way of knowing if the person who offers you a lift will get you there safely, or even if you’ll get out of their vehicle in 1 piece.

      • Robert Kaschner

        Well, i suppose arson/insurance fraud could work, but I’m not under the impression people who own house are the ones most often in financial peril.
        And again, quit using fear as an excuse. God, is there anything you’re not afraid of?

      • Animal63

        Fear as an excuse? I guess all they taught you in school about accepting a ride from a stranger never caught on with you. The world is a bit more dangerous place than than what you may have been led to believe.

        “I’m not under the impression people who own house are the ones most often in financial peril.” There’s quite a few people who’ve lost their jobs in this economy who had bought a house when they had those jobs.

      • Robert Kaschner

        Of course a bunch of people lost their jobs. That’s what happens when you keep electing Keynesians.
        I’ve been led to believe the world is a very dangerous place, twice in my life having to deploy lethal force in order to preserve my own, and once again to preserve another’s. But I still refuse to let fear dictate what I do. Perhaps it has something to do with my triumphs over fear, where I have replaced my former fears with the knowledge and steadfast resolve. I have nothing left to fear, not even death, and that’s frees me from the chains that bind those weaker men.

      • Animal63

        “That’s what happens when you keep electing Keynesians.”

        Yeah, because Kenyesian economics caused all those job losses in the 1930′s, right? And Keynses’ policies sent all those jobs overseas or brought in 3rd world guest workers to do those nobs for a fraction of what Americans were getting paid. Right? Never mind the fact that austerity based economics is based on cutting jobs and thus creating even more unemployment.

        “If one city doesn’t work for you, go to another, or leave the city altogether”

        So the answer to unemployment is for everyone who has trouble finding a job to be willing to live like Gypsies, moving across the country every couple years or so? Leave the city altogether? Cities are where the jobs usually are. Not a whole lot of jobs in most small towns, and in those towns, the jobs that are available usually go to someone the employer knows personally.

        Honestly, would you be OK with your kids hitchhiking across the country, accepting rides with people they didn’t know? Because if something happened to them doing that, you’d be wondering why you let them hitchhike, and thinking you should’ve done more to protect them.

        And like I said earlier about moving, would you just leave a spouse or partner who’s secure in their job, to go across the country to find work, with no guarantee of a job once you get there, and knowing you might never see your spouse or partner again? Not to mention any kids you might have? And like I said earlier, what happens when you get there and still can’t find a job? When we still have 12 million+ people unemployed, you don’t think there’s people who’ve ended up in that situation? People who sold everything they had to move to where they’d heard they’d be able to find employment, only to find out when they get there that every job opening has at least a half dozen people lining up for each position offered, and they used up all their money to get there, and have no way to move again? Moving like you’re suggesting might be easier when you’re in your 20′s, single, and childless, but when you’re over 40, have kids in school, have a spouse or partner who’s secure in their job, not so much.

        Where do you live at anyway?

      • Robert Kaschner

        Keynesian policies have their use, but they are only effective as temporary solutions. That is why you haven’t seen much of any industrial revolution coming back after Keynesian policies were employed. To put in layman’s terms, Keynesian practices “kick the can” to either put off payment until later or pay in a different method(like when the housing bubble was replaced by the NASDAQ bubble). They have their use, but it’s like black magic (not that I believe in that), where there’s one hell of a penalty for using it. It’s really easy to realize how terrible Keysians practices are when you realize their greatest current proponent, Paul Krugman, claims an alien invasion would improve the economy, by of course employing the broken window theory (or should i say fallacy). But hey, at least you can keep a positive outlook when you’re delusional enough to think that breaking things helps the economy.

        What is it you suggest? With so many people out of work, and many more that have stopped searching for work, how do you expect to employ them? Perhaps the same way China did, by allowing their capitalists to work freely, but then tax them enough to fund their job programs that literally built ghost cities (If so, i assure you that it wouldn’t work in America, mostly because the Chinese that were employed didn’t actually benefit all that much, making MUCH less than the minimum wage is here, even if they were perfectly happy about it because they don’t expect to live with nearly as many luxuries as Westerners do)? I’m simply stating that many of them CAN get a job and/or an affordable place to stay and live comfortably on minimum wage. Never did i say that everyone could. There aren’t currently enough jobs for that. There should be, but there won’t be if you keep electing Keynesians. If you think Keynesian practices are acceptable, then you’re like a Mayan watching a blood sacrifice saying “Well, it’s not the est system, but it’s all we have. I wouldn’t change it for the world.”

      • Animal63

        How about these;

        1. Ban lobbying and switch to direct public financing of elections. Jail any candidate or official who accepts any “campaign contribution”.

        2. Reinstate Glass-Stegall.

        3. Reinstate the laws limiting how many newspapers, publications, and TV/radio networks/stations any entity can own. Also reinstate the Fairness Doctrine.

        4. Let the Bush tax cuts expire.

        5. End all tax credits and subsidies to companies that outsource, and give those to ones that create and maintain jobs here. Also end all subsidies for companies making megaprofits, like the oil industry.

        6. End the wars, close most of our bases overseas, bring the troops home.

        7. No more government contracts or subsidies for companies that pay their CEO’s more than 30 times their workers’ pay, the amount that Adam Smith recommended.

        8. End the war on drugs, release all non-violent drug offenders. Legalize hemp/pot, regulate and tax it. That’ll create a whole slew of jobs and revenue right there.

        9. Rebuild our crumbling infrastructure- roads, bridges, harbors, etc. That alone will create millions of jobs.

        10. Scrap or renegotiate all trade agreements, including NAFTA and the deal with China. Place tariffs on all goods coming from countries that don’t follow our labor or environmental standards.

        11. Deport all illegals, fine the crap out of employers who hire them, put up a fence and land mines on the border, give the Border Patrol a standing order to “shoot to kill”.

        12. Raise the top tax rate back to what it was in the 50′s at 90%. Companies can get credits, deductions, etc, by investing and creating jobs in the US.

      • Robert Kaschner

        At first you started to sound like a capitalist(number 1 represents something free-marketeers (and me too) want really badly, in an effort to reduce fascism/crony capitalism/corporatism). Then you were like TAX IT! Tax It!, so I’ll continue to assume you think tax is necessary for government to get things done. I disagree, but since that’s just a utopian dream of mine as long as the rest of the world continue to practice the statist religion, I’ll keep it to myself.

        While I support the legalization of all drugs(since creating law based upon what you think is best for another is incredibly narcissistic), I don’t see how that would really create that many jobs, considering the drug transport infrastructure already exists and people already sell it (unless you’re referring to jobs that would be meant to regulate it, which are counter intuitive to the thought that legalizing it would save money, and it once again follows the same logic as the broken window fallacy).

        As a non-aggressionist, I don’t know if I really support point 11, since then one has to claim the country has the right to kill anyone not deemed an American citizen on US territory, which brings a whole slew of power to a government I’ve never trusted since fourth grade when I learned how the Trans-continental railroad was funded. This also bring s to question if anyone renounced their US citizenship, would they be shot? Not a good policy to shoot people in my opinion, unless it’s in response to an obvious aggression. Land mines seem like a good idea though. That creates jobs, and since it’s a indirect action, it doesn’t have to give the federal government the right to kill anyone who isn’t a US citizen ion US territory. Just don’t forget where you put them.

        I do support number 9 whole-heartedly, but only if we do it by utilizing the private sector, so that we can create jobs that actually help our economy rather than turn another portion of the population incredibly dependent upon high levels of government spending that can’t be sustained unless the private sector is taxed more, which obviously hurts private sector business. This hurt can be avoided by simply spending the same or less on such infrastructure building, and contracting out, at a more local level, to any contractor, eliminating the possibility of corporate construction extorting the system and even building shitty roads (like they do now so they get to be paid for the same job again sooner).

        Point 6. For sure, a good idea. Gotta have priorities, and that’s one that I and most educated fellows will agree with for a multitude of reasons.

        In order to support the idea of tariffs and stuff, you have to be sure that when, for instance, when apple products are produced overseas, that it actually leads to a reduction in benefit for the US. This is not the case in most instances including that of Apple, because while we lose few production jobs, most of which are semi-automated now anyway, we still have the added jobs at ports to transport the product that is now cheaper for the American to afford. With that saved money, businesses that use Apple products now save enough money to employ another few people. The jobs change, but there, at least in the case of moving a few Apple jobs overseas, are no change in the total number of jobs in the country when you look at the big picture. The ONLY net change in the Apple example is that more Americans can afford the product that is still primarily American, helping american business. This is just one of many examples of how the US gets an overall BENEFIT form moving some jobs overseas. Obviously there are some that really hurt the country, and those should be dealt with individually, but creating massive tariffs would hurt the quality of life in the US for all that are not filthy rich.

        I may not like that a CEO gets so much more money than me, but I can’t agree with point 7 upon principle. If democratic rule can dictate how much any CEO is allowed to get paid, it’s only a matter of time until it dictates how much everybody gets paid, and that’s not a proper way to determine pay at all. that’s just mob rule. Of course I’d want everybody else to make less and me make more, and so would a bunch of others, and that ultimately just leads to the compromise of socialism where the only loser is at first the formerly free market, and then eventually everyone, because a government cannot replace the market. It can be attempted, but it hasn’t worked in the past, and I don’t expect it to ever work.

        I wish I was more familiar with the glass-stegall and the fariness doctrine. A quick wikipedia search on glass-stegall didn’t help, and I didn’t bother with the fairness doctrine. just by the name of it I would assume it has nothing to do with fairness, since that’s how things in politics are normally named, by something that’s completely unrelated but conjures up an emotional response. Like calling a new speed limit law the “healthy baby act” or something.

      • rex

        83 thought you said residents there didn’t commit crimes? they have a lot of empty lots need ww2 type victory gardens

      • rex

        you can buy a house in Detroit for the cost of a average used car. so don’t tell me housing is high there. They may tax you to death(thus some prefer to squat?) plaintif attys try and file in Wayne county as juries are so liberal with oter peoples money. and the high crime rate. So Detroit has highest auto cost in the nation. Thus several residents drive with no insurance. or claim their car is parked at a friend or relatives house. . And some cross to Windsor for free medical

      • Animal63

        There’s not much demand for a house or apartment in Detroit these days, and plenty of empty houses and apartment buildings there, so of course Detroit is gonna be cheaper. That is, of course, if you’re lucky enough to have a job there.

        Any town that has jobs, on the other hand, is gonna have more demand for housing and not many empty houses or apartments, which of course drives the cost of housing in those areas up.

      • dnhook

        Why do you think Walmart is conservative? They’ve marched lockstep with this administration, including support of the ACA.
        And no one is forcing anyone to work at Wally World. You don’t like what they pay, then don’t work there. It’s that simple. If people did that, then they’d have to pay more. Of course a roll of toilet paper would cost $12, but hey, everyone’s making a “livable wage,” right?

      • Animal63

        Actually Costco and Kroger pay their workers a livable wage, and yet their prices are comparable to WalMart’s. In fact, Costco is doing better than WalMart. However, in many towns across the country, WalMart is still the only place left to work after all the better paying jobs got eliminated or shipped overseas, and WalMart ran all the local competition out of business with their predatory prices.

      • boxerson

        I am black, Christian right and I am a welfare recipient You all guessed it. Your all so smart. I bet you are glad you are none of them? .

      • rex

        even a chicken doesn’t foul it’s own nest. part of Detroit’s problem is the no snitch rule. in the public schools there a student is belitteled as an oreo, if they are a good student.

  • Tim

    The headline is misleading. We all let that and many big cities across America decay over many decades, regardless of party in power. We all knew it was happening and let it happen. No surprise here, except that people may be a bit shocked by the stark images of despair and ruin that we’ve chosen not to see over all these years. We abandon these cities and the people in them as if they’re disposable. Then we either wring our hands when the spotlight again is shown on them. We all have a hand in this. Think about it.

    • jamesnic

      Aren’t you being a bit patronizing here? Asserting that if only our wonderful selves could have hung around and run things for the inept and incapable who didn’t leave, why, everything would be fine. The real questions are why 700,000 people can’t find a way to make things work, and why so many want to absolve them of responsibility.

      • Memebusters

        You got your piece of the pie so you don’t care if anyone else gets theirs. Typical response coming from your generation… Your kids thank you as they all run out and pay 100k for degrees that will yield them a small return in a decaying job market that has been shipped overseas by the Monopolies that are running our country… Really sad! I bet you are Christian too. I can tell by your compassion for your fellow man. Just like Jesus spoke of in the bible. You know the “camel and the eye of the needle verse” Oh yea, I forgot. You people didn’t actually read the bible, you just listened to the republican behind the pulpit!

      • Scott Cunningham

        So if you have a problem with this, then go out, start a business, and hire people. Don’t blame a company (which is required to remain profitable or it will perish) when it moves to greener pastures.

      • dnhook

        How is mom’s basement? Get off your welfare ass and get a job.

      • jamesnic

        You rather spectacularly failed to comprehend what I
        was talking about. You also need to retire your crystal ball because you don’t have even the slightest ability to ‘read’ anyone. People who refer to ‘you people’ are one of the biggest problems we have in this country.

    • Colleen

      Tim, I did not do one damn thing to cause what happened in Detroit!

    • Scott Cunningham

      And why not leave a sinking ship. Where is there the obligation to stay with a region/city/people that is being mismanaged to its own demise? Those with the brains and foresight to see what was happening in Detroit left a long time ago.

      Detroit is the Titanic. After it hit the iceberg the smart got into a lfeboat and paddled away with whatever they could salvage. The rest hung on hoping the situation would improve, while the “crew” assured them that all would be well, while the captain took it back for another ramming or two. When it was finally going under those still on board shifted blame to those in the lifeboats, long departed, and blamed them for the catastrophe.

  • Former Detroiter

    Lay the blame where it belongs. Coleman Young told white people to hit 8 Mile Rd. and they did. They took all their tax money with them. The city has been controlled by those who thought City Hall was their own personal bank account. It took some years, but their actions has finally brought Detroit to its knees. Stop blaming others for what the City has done to itself. I was raised in Detroit and loved it, so to say I’m heartbroken over what it’s become, is putting it mildly.

    • Raised in the D

      I wholeheartedly agree! My parents bought a house in 1978 in a quiet neighborhood on the north east side of Detroit with schools within walking distance. As time passed, the white people either moved out or (if elderly) died off. In the 20 years my parents lived there the neighborhood went from quiet, safe and peaceful to blight ridden and full of crime with no police response due to budget cuts. So they did what all the rest of the white people did, moved to the suburbs to get away from the crime in a quiet, peaceful neighborhood. It makes me so sad to see what the city I was raised in has become….

      • http://www.facebook.com/cuff.camlin Christian Camlin

        I’m from Cleveland not Detroit.But the difference is academic.I could be from Detroit,St Louis,Cincinatti,Pittsburgh ,Buffalo or Gary.Point is with a few minor differences all these communities went through the same difficulties.The Core cities slowly went bankrupt as thousands of people left for the sun belt or for the more homogenous suburbs.Point is those people took their tax dollars with them right when the cities needed them the most.Those cities experienced the wear and tear of having a large population.But when it came time to fix a worn out infrastructure the people that wore it out now lived in other cities.and the jobs they had were gone with them.700,000 people can not pay for the repair of a city that 1,800,000 wore out.You can’t blame local politicians because this happened in over a dozen Metro areas and many municipalities.All of us from these communities are nearly brought to tears to see what has happened to the communities we grew up in and loved.But if we cut any more from our nations tax base.And especially if we give the wealthy and Corporations more of the kind of tax breaks they have come to expect it will soon be our nation collapsing while the rich use what used to be their tax dollars to buy vacation homes.

  • Tim Anderson

    The comments and article fail to understand what’s really going on here…Detroit was faced with the single most devastating loss of jobs in the entire country in 2008-9. The resulting loss in jobs and tax revenue would have bankrupted ANY city in America GOP or DEM. Pretending the refusal of the city fathers, democrats, to reduce paychecks, continue unsustainable pensions (retiring after 25 or 30 years is a recipe for bankruptcy…if you work at 25 and retire at 55 and live to 90…there’s absolutely no way the state, county, or city can obtain enough tax money for this Ponzi scheme to survive)…led them down this path. California is lucky, they have the entire movie industry and Silicon Valley to cushion their economic down times. It’s widely known that California is overpaying their state workforce…situations like Ball CA where the mayor and city fathers were making 400k a year are why the state is bankrupt.
    Dirty Texas thinks Texas’s plan is the savior for America?…wrong, it’s the opposite slice of crap pie being served by the GOP…low wages that don’t allow you to buy a home, leave you with no retirement, and mean not less, but NO services because there’s no tax revenue because the working poor will pay no taxes. Someone making 15 bucks an hour only makes 30k a year, you can’t save and you can’t retire on that. Tennessee is the poster child for this GOP utopia… fire departments now charging their residents a yearly fee for response…and leaving your house to burn if you don’t pay up. TRUE STORY.
    The real truth is we must meet in the middle of these two failed plans. People in govt. shouldn’t expect above market pay for their jobs and the pension should be replaced with a much more liberal 401k plan that is matched by municipalities when the worker gets over 65.

    • Matthew

      I agree. It’s simple economics that you shouldn’t tax too much and you can’t tax too little and there really has to be a divide between what should be provided by the public and what should be privatized. I’m honestly fine not working for a union because I want to work for my promotions and my pay increases and not worry about some “scheduled deal” that my union rep has worked out for me – I feel like I would move forward a lot more slowly that way. I also don’t believe the states should be guaranteeing jobs for people who aren’t producing anything – but we also can’t be handing out corporate tax breaks in the name of job creation. Let’s go back and see if jobs were created or if yacht sales increased – I think we’ll find the latter is probably true!

      • Joshua Lee Fite

        Jesus Christ dude, you’re a genius! I’m not being sarcastic at all :) That has to be one of the single most intelligent things I have read in a loooooong freakin’ time. Thank you very much, I’ve been saying this for a long time but you said it best!

    • dbb1031

      Tim…the job loss didnt just HAPPEN……they jobs got chased out by Democrats and Unions…………please……

      • Tim Anderson

        You can call it “chased out” or “outsourced” …really the same thing depending on which side of the political aisle you’re on. Ford has been building cars in Brazil and Mexico for at least a decade. The unions surely weren’t in favor of that right? If you’re trying to make the case that employers have the right to chase wages around the world that are essentially slave wages, I would respond with “Is that the conservative ideal for America?” (I guess you can ask Mitt Romney), and that the middle class in America is only capable of surviving if the owner class pays a decent wage. BTW, most unions jobs are not the 40-50 an hour jobs the GOP likes to pretend is the norm. The BMW plant in South Carolina pays 15 an hour. 30k a year. That’s your Right to Work state’s idea of a fair wage.
        dbb…the Koch brothers and Newt Gingrich have said a reduced minimum wage would help workers. That’s the owner class fantasy. Now tell me how putting, “I got 4 dollars an hour, but lots of experience flipping burgers” on your resume is going to help you get a better job?

      • vicoilsteems

        Go back and watch fox news

    • vic oilsteems

      Exactly,and why the,greed of the big 3 ,and GOP ideology,like it says many more city’s are close to bankruptcy now.. what is different now compared to 35 years ago. Its not hard to figure out. Its not rocket science.

  • eddieaudio

    Being older than the author, I know that Detroit’s problem is the problem of the rust belt – America’s first century of industrialization (think civil war to mid-sixties) was an incredible growth period that was unsustainable on many levels. China and India will eventually have the same problem.

    The sixites marked a time of ‘white flight’ to the suburbs – this hurt inner cities because low wage earners pay fewer taxes. Had white people not been afraid of blacks – and stayed in the hood, the integration would have done ‘relations’ a world of good – cross pollination, if you will.

    Politicians in general cater to businesses a bit too much – and business rarely delivers on the promise. You’re better off letting a bunch of musicians and artists ‘homestead’ a distressed neighborhood and develop a community and a culture than expecting businesses to do that – or politicians to have the foresight.

    Perhaps Detroit will be the canary in the coal mine to force us to wake up to the corporate lies. Having stuff made in china only perpetuates the myth that our money has any buying power. Bringing the work back to the US is part of the answer, but automation / robots has replaced many of the jobs. Learning how to deign, build, program and repair the robots is part of the path to the future.

    • greekdish

      Had black people not committed the majority of crimes in Detroit and run it into the ground, had the black politicians and mayors who ran Detroit not taxed everyone to death…the white flight never would’ve happened. When you focus on wealth redistribution as opposed to creating wealth…you drive the hard workers and successful out of the area.

      This was all foretold in Atlas Shrugged.

      • ColoradoTruthTeller

        What happened in Detroit, and is happeneing all over America, was more accurately foretold in “Soylent Green” – The rich have become super-rich, the poor destitute and the middle-class and endangered species. Corporatism is far more to blame for Detroit’s bankruptcy than blacks and/or those gosh darned old taxes.

      • Memebusters

        Please take your white sheet somewhere else!

      • Memebusters

        Yea, you mean like this country has done over the past 20 years. Wealth has been created but for just a small few! You are so brainwashed!

      • Judi Blueye

        When any group is the majority in a place they will commit the majority of the crimes. DUH! Just Ask Trenton about their crime stats. Unless you are counting people pulled over for DWB offenses.

    • rex

      the effects of welfare class, taking form tax payer, giving to the welfare class crooked politicians elected to office. is the canary in the coal mine, Similar to Greece, Socialism communism does not work

  • Hypestyles

    I hope that the national news media (print, broadcast, online) go to Detroit to talk to those of us who live and work here, for some first-hand perspectives on what day-to-day life is like here and thoughts on the near future. It’s definitely not a joke and I’m not particularly sanguine about the longer-term prospects.

    • Judi Blueye

      I had a chat with a woman recently who demanded to know, “Why don’t those people just go get a job? No wonder Detroit is Bankrupt” I asked her “where?” She then went on to complain about seeing the same homeless person on the same corner near her favorite hospital for 2 years. “Why doesn’t HE just get a job.” When I pointed out that a homeless person sitting on a street corner for two years has no where to shower, change or wash clothes, has no phone number and no address to write down on applications, she got really mad and kicked me out of her house.

      • Animal63

        Not to mention that homeless people don’t have 24/7 internet or cell phones where they can be reached 27/7 ahead of a half dozen+ other people who are also applying for the same job. Also that the days of going to the counter or front desk to ask for an application are coming to an end, as more companies are only accepting applications online.

  • JohnI

    the problem with Detroit is that it did rely too much on one industry. The automotive industry made the city into the shining star it was in the 50′s and 60′s and their flight made it what it is today. The belief that somehow Texas is what we should model our country after is laughable…low wages, little regulation, and backwards laws based upon one religion is going to destroy them as well. If you want an example of how to keep a city thriving…look at Pittsburgh, PA. The steel industry left in the 70′s, and they adapted, high tech industries moved in, and they expanded on their first-class medical field. Today, Pittsburgh is often rated either towards the top, or at the top of the most livable cities. Cost of living is low, compared to other parts of the country, and jobs are plentiful for those who are looking..and yes, it is a mostly democratic city.

    • greekdish

      The belief that Texas has low wages, little regulation and backwards law is what’s laughable. Majority of new jobs in Texas are medical field, hi-tech and oil industry. They have plenty of regulations, the ideology that citizens need more regulations is comical at best. As for backwards laws…. name one. Oh right, you cant, you are spewing BS from your rear.

      You obviously dont know sh*t from shampoo.

      • John Texas

        (1) Texas added 853,400 jobs from January 2001 through June 2010. Of those, 308,800 were government jobs. That’s about 36 percent. (2) Politifact estimates that at least 250,000 jobs are minimum wage. Just those two numbers combined show that your claim of “the majority ” of new jobs = “high tech” is false.

        Politifact’s analysis shows that while (2) the true number of current low-wage jobs is difficult to determine due to the lack of fine detail in Texas’ employment numbers… (2) your statement, greekdsh, is almost certainly false.

      • Baaly

        Fact: The majority of jobs in Texas, thanks to Perry and his dickwad friends are low wage and part time. The majority of people I know have to work two jobs in order just to make ends meet.

        The reason we have a massive rate of under full time jobs is that if a person works 40 hours, they are entitled to basic company benefits, such as health care which the gun/god/greed loving GOP doesn’t want to waste their profits on. Rather have two people working one man/woman’s shift that one person who would have entitlements.

        Go back to reading Ayn Rand and follow her self centered dick mentality, moron.

      • Robert Kaschner

        I personally like it when jobs are created. I don’t know about you, but I don’t like to be unemployed. It took me a long time to get hired because nobody was hiring. Nobody was hiring because there taxes were too high to pay for all the unemployed that couldn’t find a job. As soon as state taxes on businesses were reduced, it became a lot less difficult to find jobs here in Wisconsin. Which is good, because with everyone’s hours about to get cut to avoid the looming healthcare mandates and other things (for small businesses with 50+ employees and state jobs) everyone’s starting to look for a second job, which are very quickly becoming available. Due to the more business friendly economic policies now in effect businesses are swarming to states like Wisconsin and Kansas, and unemployment will continue to decrease. With less unemployed, wages will have to increase to compete for workers, since most will already have a job.

      • Brian

        THEIR taxes are to high? I am not truly educated on this discussion, but I am pretty well informed on business. Companies pay way to much for C.E.O.’s in hopes of drumming up new business. That C.E.O. brings in his own power team to help feather his/her business team knowledge base. Depending on size of the company, generally it will account for 1/3 of expense. Now to make this number look not so bad, the fire/terminate/layoff/furlough employees of hourly or salary rate. They will drop the employee force to the bones. Now they will slowly rebuild based off available projected income. Taxes only come into play when they are trying to get that 1 C.E.O. that they feel they HAVE to have.
        I work for a company that pays the C.E.O. $1.34M per year and they have 5 Vices at 1.2M per year and it trickles down from there. They all have stock options, and to let you know what that spells out, our last C.E.O. failed, yet walked away with 6.25M.
        Taxes are to high? No, it interferes with the companies desire to pocket all the money they can. Minimum Wage that my friends.

      • Robert Kaschner

        I can’t speak of any big CEO’s. I don’t have corporate experience. But if you’re going to say that every big company is evil, by that logic, you have to assume big government is just as evil with any money it ever has the ability to pocket (I believe there’s a Von Mises quote along those lines). But of course if you were to apply logic, your veiws wouldn’t be what they are, now would they?

      • Malcontent

        The difference is supposed to be, that in a functioning democracy companies are free to behave any way they think people will tolerate and government should be run by the people’s will, by duly elected representatives. The fact that there appears to be no difference means our ‘democracy’ is malfunctioning.

        My main beef with this article is, what makes the author think that either party is not complicit in this trajectory? I see nothing but parallels between congress and CEO behavior.

      • Robert Kaschner

        That would be the case if we lived in a democracy. We don’t. The USA is a republic, that just so happens to employ a democratic vote on many things, as dictated by the constitution and laws passed abiding by the outlines of passing laws in the constitution. A democracy is just majority rule (just like mob rule). Our society is based off the following: “majority rule, minority right.” That way, when 51% decide they want to just take money from the 49%, it’s more difficult to do. Still possible, unfortunately.

      • terrykepner

        I call BS. Companies do not hire people based on taxes, they hire people based on if they NEED those people to work for the company. If you need someone, you hire them. If you need someone, but don’t hire them because you don’t make enough money to pay them and taxes, then your pricing to your customers is wrong. If lowering taxes were the only factor then we should have the best employment and best economy since WWII because taxes TODAY are LOWER than at any time since then.

        President GW Bush said after his 2001 budget was passed that even though he had lowered taxes and increased spending we would have the National Debt paid off by 2010.

        Guess what? We had a worse economy than under Clinton, and in 2010 our National Debt had doubled. And in 2008 we had the single worst economic crash since the 1930′s. Now you say we need to lower taxes! If it didn’t work in the previous 10 years why should it work today?

      • Robert Kaschner

        Nope. Taxes are not lower on small businesses now than they were near the end of WWII. Taxes were not lowered all that much in 2001, and it’s not like not having a budget passed in recent years has been helping any. The economy didn’t worsen just because of a reduction in taxes. A reduction in taxes cannot directly worsen an economy, and it can’t even indirectly worsen an economy in as little as 10 years. What, do you think having less money in your bank account magically means the economy is going to get better? You seem to forget the whole housing crash that by no means could be avoided after employing Keynesian economics for over 50 years.

      • clr1390

        Please, taxes are much lower, and most economist agree, running 2 unfunded wars and cutting taxes was not the thing to do. A reduction in taxes does do harm, because the reduction is not much for people until you get above that 400 thousand dollar mark. The higher you make the faster your taxes go down. It is a direct reason the income inequality is at all times high.

      • Robert Kaschner

        Guess what? Income inequality isn’t a bad thing (with exceptions). Do you really think it’s fair for an accomplished surgeon to make as much as a burger-flipper? I don’t. I just make sure I’m not the burger flipper.

      • Animal63

        Income inequality not a bad thing? Wrong. Not only is it the #1 cause of crime, especially violent crime, it also always leads to political and social instability, and ultimately the collapse of a country.

      • Robert Kaschner

        The cause of crime is simple and it’s always one of two things. Either it’s because fucking everything is illegal (non-violent crimes), or because people are dickholes (violent crimes).
        I think what you meant to say is that poverty is the 31 cause of crime. Which it still isn’t, not if you have any understanding of direct cause-and-effect relationships.
        Spoken like a true communist/socialist. Exactly what in the fuck would make you think income inequality leads to the collapse of a country? It doesn’t matter if people make different amounts of money as long as everybody still makes enough to live and isn’t a whiny bitch about the bad choices they made.
        “OH NO! My art degree isn’t exactly panning out the way I thought it would! I think I’ll go vote for whatever party promises me more so I can keep on not producing and still live comfortably!”

      • Animal63

        Too many people aren’t making enough money to live, even working 2,3, or 4 jobs. Not when the cost of food, fuel, energy, and rent keep rising.

        And we’ve got college grads, many with advanced degrees in fields like computers, engineering, chemistry, architecture, journalism, even healthcare, who are either unemployed or working at places like McDonald’s and WalMart, after the jobs they trained for got eliminated, shipped overseas, or given to foreign guest workers willing to do those jobs for a fraction of what Americans can afford to live on(because the countries they’re from pay 100% of their citizens’ college tuition, so they don’t have to worry about paying back student loans, and thus can afford to work for less), and that’s when they aren’t being rejected for those jobs as being “overeducated”, “overqualified”, likely to jump ship for the first job offer that approaches their education and skill level, or because the manager sees them as a potential rival for their job, and when the college grads don’t have to compete with illegals willing to do those jobs for $5 an hour or less.

      • Robert Kaschner

        Entrepreneurial capitalism solves all these problems. Because it creates jobs. I’m assuming you understand the concepts of supply and demand. Once you allow the creation of a shitload of jobs(IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR), the demand for the individual worker rises. With high demand for a worker, wages are increase to compete (like a bid) for the employee. But if you do not allow entrepreneurial capitalism to exist, by taxing the fuck out of it to pay for social programs and by mandating minimum wage to not allow for the competition over jobs to ever take place, you decrease productivity and kill any reasonable chance of high demand for any employee. Without high demand for the worker, the worker will never be worth much to the employer, thus worsening the economic inequality you so despise. You very own favorite policies are the ones that eliminate any possibility of having what you want, and THIS is how economies crumble.

      • Animal63

        “With high demand for a worker, wages are increase to

        compete (like a bid) for the employee.”

        That only works when there’s more jobs to be filled than there are workers to fill them. It’s certainly not the case when there are on average a dozen applicants for every opening.

        It’s consumer demand that creates jobs, not businesses. No business owner is gonna hire anyone unless there’s enough demand for their product or service to necessitate adding more workers to meet that demand. And when workers are barely paid enough over their heads and food on the table….

        “You very own favorite policies are the ones that eliminate any possibility of having what you want, and THIS is how economies crumble.”

        You mean policies that keep businesses from taking undue advantage of their workers, or from polluting the environment, or that ensure a safe workplace? Or how about maternity leave, workmen’s comp, or child labor laws?

        Social programs? You mean like the military, police, firefighters, schools, veteran’s benefits, the highway system, parks,.. Yeah, we don’t need any of those, do we?

      • Robert Kaschner

        “That only works when there’s more jobs to be filled than there are workers to fill them.”
        Duh.
        Follow this: Everyone wants to get higher pay — the only way to get higher pay voluntarily is to abide by supply and demand principle (this is fact, not even debatable). Either make yourself more valuable (put yourself where there’s more demand and less supply), or, if concerned for others, encourage demand for workers to increase by encouraging the formation of more business.
        There are only one thing that can encourage formation of business. Free-er enterprise. This of course encompasses a lot of things, but any sort of free enterprise is immediately sought after by entrepreneurs, because, to an entrepreneur, it’s the only way profit can ever even be made with low risk. If there’s high risk, like in a less-free enterprise environment, less people start businesses, and instead just try to find work. It’s no wonder why it’s hard to find work when nobody finds it worthwhile to start a business.

      • Animal63

        “Either make yourself more valuable (put yourself where there’s more demand and less supply),”

        We have college graduates, many with advanced degrees in fields like computers, engineering, chemistry, architecture, journalism, even healthcare, who are either unemployed or working at places like McDonald’s and WalMart, after the jobs they had trained for got eliminated, shipped overseas, or given to foreign guest workers willing to do those jobs for a fraction of what Americans can afford to live on(because the countries they’re from pay 100% of their citizens’ college tuition, so they don’t have to worry about paying back student loans, and thus can afford to work for less), and that’s when they aren’t being rejected for those jobs as being “overeducated”, “overqualified”, likely to jump ship for the first job offer that approaches their education and skill level, or because the manager sees them as a potential rival for their job, and when the college grads don’t have to compete with illegals willing to do those jobs for $5 an hour or less. Pretty much any job that can be digitalized or put on software can be outsourced. In fact, in 2008, US News & World Report recommended that college students seek careers that don’t require college, such as firefighter and hairdresser. Now, firefighters are being laid off, and how long will it be before we start bringing in Third World hairdressers who’ll work for 1/3 of what Americans are getting?

      • Robert Kaschner

        The problem here is that being a college graduate does not necessarily make you more valuable. Notice that I never said to go to college to make yourself more valuable, because it doesn’t always achieve that end.

      • Animal63

        The actual corporate tax rate is about 12%, one of the lowest in the world. Taxes could be at a flat zero and companies would still outsource, because there’s no way that an American making say, $20 an hour can hope to compete with a Chinese making MAYBE $2 an hour. Also, companies don’t want to deal with laws concerning where they can dump toxic waste, or keeping them from poisoning the air(Chinese in those areas have to wear breathing masks to go outside, and the pollution all too often blots out the Sun AT NOON).

      • Judi Blueye

        The shitload of jobs went to robots who can work for long periods without any healthcare. Now what?

      • Judi Blueye

        Right, because most unemployed people have fine arts degrees in their closets. LOL

      • Julie Gordon

        In case you didn’t notice, Wisconsin is falling to the bottom of the barrel in job creation, and there are no magical companies swarming to a state where education and services have been gutted to pay back Walker and the GOP’s donors.

      • Judi Blueye

        Jobs go to robots. People still need to eat. Do you propose we starve?

      • Judi Blueye

        A job with benefits and enough to live on?

      • Robert Kaschner

        huh?

      • rex

        fact is those with benefits are subsidized by those without benefits. The benefits are a write off for businss, and not counted as wages for the employee. Maybe they should be counted as wages, and taxed? Any money could go to healthcare, and or raise SS

      • boxerson

        there new laws on abortions, their laws on immigration and opn and on and on.

      • lonestarlet

        You need to explain what you mean here. I bet you have no clue what the “new law on abortion” is all about. It only dealt with late term abortions. If a woman can make up her mind by the time she’s 5 months along, there is some wrong with HER, not the baby. The left and their friends in the MSM did a pretty good job of disquising that for the rest of the country. As for immigration, we want nothing more than to be able to do the same thing AZ is doing. Since the feds don’t support the states on the border, we have to try and do it ourselves. And what’s “and on and on and on”???

      • Judi Blueye

        The fact is, sometimes you don’t know if there is something wrong with the baby until further along. This has happened to people I know and it is always an agonizingly PERSONAL decision that the state should have no business getting involved in. Certainly not a state that refuses to assist people who need help, such as a family raising twins with devastating birth defects.

      • lonestarlet

        Every liberal has a personal extreme hard-luck story they pull out of a hat to justify their agenda. In this case, you would have untold numbers of babies aborted while feeling pain just because of (I suspect make-believe) twins that you point to. Not worth it, hon. And there is plenty of charitable foundations out there to help with such a pair of twins.

      • Judi Blueye

        Right, so these deformed babies, who were very real and would have been my nieces, thank you very much, should endure a lifetime of pain just because you think it’s wrong the decision that their parents legally made. You are as full of crap as the imaginary charitable foundations you think exist. I am sure that deformed children having seizures due to brain malformations such as those babies had would take great comfort in that.

      • lonestarlet

        The horrible brain malformations you describe would not have been very long in being found out with today’s technology. You can see the heartbeat of a 51/2 week old fetus on a sonogram. And of course you would think there are no charitable foundations because you would never be looking for one, just an abortion clinic. However there are many parents who choose to keep such babies, despite birth defects. It’s pretty obvious your family doesn’t have anyone like that in it. Much more “{progressive” to just get rid of the problem and go on with one’s own life.

        This is getting too off-topic to continue here, thanks to Tim Anderson & boxerson’s very ignorant views about Texas. Don’t like us? don’t come here & we’ll all be happier for it.

      • rex

        yet your party does not want to close the borders. and give illegals free medical, drivers licenses, in state tuition, compete for grants and aid with legal citizens . then complain that foreign workers are taking your jobs

      • http://www.facebook.com/cuff.camlin Christian Camlin

        Dude check what is in your Chinese made Shampoo.What your trying to sell stinks to high heavens.Per Capita wages in Texas are in the bottom 20% in our country.Have been for many years.Hope when you retire you are healthy enough to work as a greeter at WalMart.Because Texas will find a way to cut Medicare and Medicaid to ribbons if the Rethuglican’s stay in control in Texas.

      • Tim Anderson

        ABC news ran a story in 2010, said Texas was leading the nation in jobs. And I thought, “interesting, I’ll watch this conservative success story.” Then they showed a machine shop hiring…11 dollars an hour to start, that’s like 22k a year. I’m sorry, but that’s not a livable wage and will never help the American middle class recover to the levels of the 1990′s.

  • One of the WE, the People

    Whether you have low income workers or not, thats not really the problem. When gas prices go up so does food, housing, etc. Everything except wages. Stop the rise of products when it doesn’t equal the pay. Don’t always blame the government because, We, the People are really the Government. Remember, we had a Wall Street Crash in the 20′s & a depression & You, at 30, weren’t here. I was. Study the history & we have become a very money hungry country. If aliens are coming here to take over our jobs, why is it they have jobs that WE, the People won’t even think about doing?

    • Kate Karwowska

      “Don’t always blame the government because, We, the People are really the Government.”

      Unfortunately, this is not the case anymore (if it ever really was). Government is “they, the corporations”.

  • Bill Webb

    All cities run by blacks for longer than 5 years will suffer the same fate

  • Neutral

    The city of Detroit has been run by a democratic mayor for the last 43 years. 7 of those years, it was run by a corrupt democratic mayor. Not sure how somebody can blame the republicans entirely for Detroit’s problems.

    • Memebusters

      It was the Mayor that shipped jobs overseas via nafta. It was the mayor that decreased taxes on the wealthy! Oh please! Think outside the box! Think Mcflye Think! Stop listening to your wealthy masters on Faux!

      • dnhook

        Faux? Did you come up with that one on your own? LOL! What a douchebag.

    • Scott Cunningham

      Entirely? How about not at all. Detroit is a case study in “Progressive” politics. All the slogans and ideas that are routinely spouted by leftists have been at work in Detroit for decades. None of these were republican policies. Now that Detroit has run out of other people’s money, the blame shifting starts. Too tough to deal with the realization that your entire socio/political viewpoint is fatally flawed. Better to double down on it than accept the fact that an unequal distribution of prosperity beats an equitable distribution of poverty any day of the week.

  • Realist12

    You can raise as much hue and cry as much as you want about this – but the damage is done, there’s mo going back to the way it used to be, unless the people rise up – and they won’t (can’t) this time.. Thats not going to happen in this country. Save yourself and your family, return to working the land where you can be self-employed and feed your family healthy food — even if it means another country. You owe it to them. You owe nothing to the United States, it is just a country among many – look after your loved ones instead..

    • Animal63

      Why can’t it happen this time?

      • Realist12

        Because of the Patriot Act, mostly. Anyone who rises up against the status quo these days can be classified as a “terrorist”, losing all of their previous rights. The big “R” just ain’t gonna happen again as it did in 1776.

      • Animal63

        That didn’t stop the French from rising in 1789, or the Russians from rising in 1917, or the Egyptians from rising in 2011. If it happened in those countries, it can happen here, Patriot Act or no Patriot Act. The elites could pass 1000 Patriot Acts and it wouldn’t protect them from a pissed off and desperate populace. They can’t kill all of us.

  • Maphesdus

    “Outsourcing and the race to the bottom for cheaper goods and labor is what bankrupted Detroit”

    That sentence is actually really bad logic. Cheaper goods are the mark of a successful economy, and outsourcing is a result minimum wage laws. If there was no minimum wage, then employers would have no incentive to outsource anything.

    You want to get rid of outsourcing? Get rid of the minimum wage. It’s the only way.

    • Robert Kaschner

      You’re goddamn right. But I would add that not only are cheaper goods the mark of a successful economy, but they are also (most directly) the mark of free-thinking engineers and entrepreneurs that can only benefit when their customer benefits.
      If you’re going to get your welfare check or mandated minimum wage, all if not voluntary coercion is removed from the whole of society while forceful coercion is only placed on those entrepreneurs that can no longer work freely. A recipe for disaster. (I’m sure you’re aware of this, I just had to post it.)

      • Memebusters

        We have been de-regulating for the last 40 years. It has brought our country to it’s knees. Read the book: The failure of Lasefaire Capitalism by Dr. Paul Craig Roberts. (Father of Reganomics) Paul Craig Roberts was the Asst. sect. of Treasury under Ronald Regan. Yup, member of the party your support! Find him on youtube. You will change your mind after listening to him.

      • Robert Kaschner

        We have not been deregulating for 40 years. If you believe that, you’re not looking around you. EVERYTHING you look at in your life is more regulated than it was 40 years ago. If you can name two things that are less regulated now than it was 40 years ago, that’s more than I can. The only thing I can think of are non-precious metals.
        I watched one of his videos. He only speculates, and his conclusions are incorrect because he doesn’t follow any consistent method in coming to his conclusions and he doesn’t use the appropriate evidence to come to the associated conclusions. He doesn’t apply the scientific method.
        You obviously are assuming I’m a republican. I am not, so don’t go assuming that you anything about what I’m thinking. I’m a non-agressionist, and I never signed any damn social contract. At no time in my life has the state ever been more a benefit to me economically or socially than it has been a harm. Nor will it ever, unless it magically decides to leave me the fuck alone. That is a fact. And don’t give me any crap saying I need the roads or some shit. Not only do I not directly need them, but the state is not necessary to build them (That is also an undeniable fact).

      • dnhook

        Wow. You’re even stupider than I thought.

      • Anne2

        Yes, by all means let’s get rid of the minimum wage. (Ex-x-x-xcellent!!) Yes, allow corporate America to pay workers what they think we should be making (hint- it will be close to nothing because in the eyes of corporations a workers is a means to an end, but they always have their hands out looking for a freebie and never want to work HARD to be truly successful. American working class can go back to the ways of the “company store” where you buy this weeks groceries on next weeks wages. /sarcasm

        Is the public school systems really so bad they are turning out the uneducated into the world instead of those actually capable of looking at the whole picture together and based on past actions allowing you to surmise a predictable outcome? Either that or you didn’t comprehend what was being taught in history class.

        Allowing corporations to pay you what they want instead of required to pay will result in “Corporate Communism” (yes, I said it.). There will be no innovation because YOU and others who might have a good idea will be too tired from trying to scrape together two nickles for your next meal and no one will have the extra cash to buy it anyhow. You will work weekends, you will not have holidays off, you will not get days off-you will get exactly what you deserve-NOTHING. They will keep you dependent on them. And if you think this will never happen maybe you should retake American history AFTER you take a reading comprehension class and this time pay attention when they are teaching you about the Great Depression and how poorly those luck enough to have a job actually were treated by their employers.

      • Robert Kaschner

        I never said to get rid of it. I explained why raising it is bad. If you don’t understand that, I won’t bother with you. It is important to have a minimum wage, but it needs to stay as a just that, a minimum, a minimum to survive.
        A year ago, I started out with 200 dollars and I lived extremely comfortably on minimum wage, because I worked hard and don’t mind riding a bike 6 miles to work in the middle of a blizzard (I fell a lot, but I eventually learned to bike in the snow)(no car saves a LOT of money, and it’s not the governments job to make sure you can have the luxury of a car). I worked hard, and I reaped the benefits. I was even able to afford a PS3.

        Obviously you never ran a business, so I don’t expect you to understand how much businesses hurt when people quit because of not enough pay.

        At my high school, over a quarter of the graduates in my year went straight into the workforce making double minimum wage plus benefits. They were smart enough to learn a TRADE (for most of them, it was welding or being a machinist). They live happy lives and many now are happily married with children. That’s what happens when you have a hard work ethic, graduate, plan for the future, learn a trade, and enter the workforce, moving if necessary. Some schools suck, so it’s harder to learn a trade. But that just means they have to try harder and learn a trade on their own time or go to college and hope for he best there. That is the fact of the matter. If you expect to make minimum wage or more with no applicable skills or talents, you’re voluntarily taking that huge risk, and it’s not government’s job to pick people up after they takes risks and fall. That’s what minimum wage is for. To keep you alive until you decide you want to make more, and go and learn a trade or pursue higher education to those ends.
        You can only ever be taken advantage of if you allow it. You’re not even forced to work for others. That’s a choice YOU make.

      • Anne2

        Actually, Robert, my reply was to the original troll poster, not your comment below it as the original poster did indeed want to get rid of minimum wage. Why discus posted it to you when I clicked on his reply button…just another mystery to me. Btw riding a bike in snow, well,walking would be faster/safer, but far be it for me to stop you from doing what you want…just keeps people in my field of work employed, so thank you!.

      • Robert Kaschner

        Ok. Sorry if I was offensive. It think I was, unless I was correct in the “not running a business” part, but I guess it’s irrelevant anyway. I just want to let people know the argument proponents of a free-er market/anti-aggressionists like to make.
        I can’t quite tell how it might keep people in you field employed… Do you make bikes, bike paths, roads, or possibly work in the medical field? I’m just curious.

      • Anne2

        medical field

      • Animal63

        Also, you will be working 12-20 hours a day, in hazardous, dusty, poorly ventilated conditions, with no safety protections, where you daily incur the risk of brown/black lung disease, getting maimed or killed in an accident(think mine or building collapses, West, TX-type explosions, or Triangle Shirtwaist-type fires), while your employer dumps toxic waste near your home for your troubles(ending up with rivers on fire, lakes and ponds unable to sustain life, and air pollution that not only renders the Sun invisible AT NOON, but can literally kill you). Also, your children will likely not finish school, if they even get to go to school, but will be working beside you when your income and that of your spouse isn’t enough to keep your family fed, housed, and clothed. If you get injured on the job, your “compensation” will be to get fired and replaced with an uninjured worker. Ditto if you get sick, get pregnant, or complain. And if you complain, or God forbid, try to organize for better pay and conditions, you’ll be declared a “terrorist” and whisked away by militarized police and sent to indefinite detention in one of the privatized prisons for profit.

    • debthedem

      get rid of the minimum wage? Why so corporations rape us more than they already are. that is just crazy!!

    • Memebusters

      When cheaper goods are offered via Monopolies like Wal*mart, It is destructive to our economy! You are so ignorant and brainwashed!

      • dnhook

        So go spend more for the same item. That’ll teach Wal-Mart.

  • Corey krantz

    Would Detroit (Michigan) be better off if Romney had let the auto industry go bust?

    • CTD

      GM and Chrysler *did* go bankrupt under Obama. You know that, right?

      • CCinRI

        And Chrysler went bankrupt under Reagan in the 80s, during a recession of his own “trickledown voodoo economics” making, so what’s your point? Will you blame Carter for that?

    • kimmilynn

      No. The auto bail out (which has since been paid back) saved my non-auto industry job and thousands like mine, not to mention the jobs of Big 3 employees and their manufacturing suppliers. Michigan, in fact, led the nation in manufacturing job growth first quarter of 2012. However, like most manufacturing centers, the plants (and thus the jobs) are located outside of the city. Metro-Detroit has an extremely unreliable public transit center, so only people with cars can work outside of the city.

      • greekdish

        The auto bail out has not been paid back kid. GM still owes billions.

  • jimhall909er

    GET RID OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!

    • Scott Cunningham

      Yeah!! Because the Republicans have run Detroit for generations and destroyed it…..

      Geesh….

      • Memebusters

        Maybe mitosis will occur in your brain someday and you will wake up!

    • Memebusters

      If only they would all move to Texas and succeed from the U.S.!! Then they can take Faux news with them also!

      • dnhook

        Sounds good to me. You libtards would be dead in a month without tax dollars from producers. Not everyone can be on welfare and food stamps like you, Memebusters.

    • rex

      since 47% of the people do not pay income tax, your wanting to get rid of the GOP is asinine, If you had to guess would you bet most of the non payers vote democratic? get rid of the republicans, and no one would be working to pay taxes to support the welfare class.

  • Scott Morris

    Typical Liberal Article full of lies and BS, which party has controlled this city for better part of a century, the Democrats and their corruption, social engineering and entitlement programs plus failure to make fiscal decisions against unions all led to the failure that is modern day Detroit, but if it makes you feel better to blame someone else…….

    • Memebusters

      The gun picture says it all! You should take your gun to the streets of Detroit and give it a test. I bet you won’t last a few nanoseconds before your billy bad ass is shot! You Suck!

      • dnhook

        At least he’d get rid of some stupid democrat voters and thugs like crayon martin.

  • vanjasper

    When the wealthy dont want to,and see no reason why they should pay ant taxes at all, and are backed by government, this is going to happen. Europe is much the same in places, The Republic of Ireland being a prime example.

    • greekdish

      The wealthy already pay the most in taxes. The issue is when the progressive politicians try to siphon off more from the wealthy and then they move away.

      Left wingers keep trying to squeeze blood from rocks.

      • vanjasper

        Really?? the wealthy pay most in taxes???? what planet is that on???

      • dnhook

        Apparently not on the one you’re from. Try reading, idiot.

      • vanjasper

        personal insults convince no one and lose your point any credibility

      • mommabear123

        10% of Americans earn 90% of all income yet only pay 70% of the all taxes. Doesn’t seem fair when you have all the facts. Does it?

      • jamesnic

        Did you read what you just wrote? Since when is 70% not the most? And do you realize that the 40% in between the top 10% and the bottom 50% are paying 30% if your numbers are correct? Doesn’t seem fair either.

      • mommabear123

        The mid 40% and bottom 50% earn 10% of total income yet pay 30% of total taxes. I know this is a hard math problem but I am sure if you go upstairs and ask your Mom for help she can explain this to you.

      • dnhook

        Fair? What does fair have to do with anything? 47% of people like Memebusters sit on their ass waiting for a handout.

      • Manny

        They may pay the most from a total number perspective. Now let’s take a look at what percentage they pay. During the election campaign it was highlighted in a very clear way. There is no reality in which Mitt Romney’s secretary paying more of a percentage in taxes is right.

    • Animal63

      You mean Greece?

  • vanjasper

    By the way, the Prime Minister of Ireland, gets more in salary than the President of the USA!!!!!

  • Rick Laviolette

    Detroit was primarily manufacturing and it was beset by decades of manufacturers operating elsewhere in tax free zones selling their type of products, automobiles. No american companies could have competed as well against those foreign interests and the politically greased palms catering to them. The products here had to cheapen to compete with tax free base against them. The more competitive Detroit became, the more the incentives for their competitors piled up. The logical course for Detroit’s manufacturers was to follow the market trends and build foreign plants and use foreign labor. No protection of companies occurred to entice them to stay. Laws and standards did not have to fit their competitors either like they did for US made products. Federal and state government stacked the odds against Detroit and other American cities and it will now take government intervention to bring them back.

    Other problems beset the City of Detroit such as political corruption within the City. It is not over. The story of Detroit during the 20th century is a story of growth and intra-region migration. The metropolitan area grew from 500 thousand people to over 4.8 million people during the 100 years. While the region was growing, people migrated from the city proper to the outlying suburbs. Crime and other factors took its toll. and the populations that remain are less than 720,000 residents.
    Without a concerted effort, the city will not come back.

  • LAGERIS

    Read Naomi Klein’s book SHOCK DOCTRINE and all will become clear–crystal clear…terrifyingly clear.

    • Memebusters

      That was an excellent book! These right wing nuts won’t get it until they are in the same situation as the poor residents of Detroit. When they wake up and their little stock portfolios are all looted. Then they will say: “It was all those liberals faults!” Still……… They need shock therapy!

  • Arrow Durfee

    Oh really? the GOP? You don’t think that NAFTA has anything to do with the deportation of American auto jobs? Isn’t Clinton a democrat? As long as you and the masses think the problems with this nation have to do with one party or another we are destined for full distruction. Have you been to Mexico lately to see the massive industrial complexes constructed there since Clinton and Bush, who also supported NAFTA? We have legislated our wealth and power away into third world countries and now we are going to pay pay pay, as our poverty increases, our cities fail and our middle class shrinks. GOP and democrats are equally guilty, all falling under the thumb of UN and NWO.

    • CCinRI

      By the time NAFTA was passed through a republican house and congress during the Clinton administration, the damage to the American auto industry was done…remember Lee Iacocca? With the offshoring of manufacturing to Asias communist third world in the 70s and 80s, the GOP sowed the seeds of destruction for Americas manufacturing jobs; all for the promise of breaking labor unions…and they’ve largely succeeded.

      • Memebusters

        Bravo! “clap!” “clap!” The nail has been hit on the head!!!!!

    • boxerson

      How about Iraq and to think we didn’t get any oil. why? where did all the oil go? Now they are building that country up with massive industrial complexes constructed by the grace of George and Dick

      • rex

        we have gas and oil, we need to build some refinery’s

    • vicouksteen

      Yeah Clinton was a republican appeaser.Nafta was a GOP crafted and pushed idea,Clinton the dick,did everything the GOP wanted including all the deregulation of financial,corporate and wallstreet laws bidding for the 1% . Its 33 years of ALECs and the extremist GOP agenda that has created the biggest gap in income inequality since the gilded age, corporations used to pay 3 dollars for every one dollar paid in tax by a worker now they pay pennies onthe dollar while workers still pay a dollar. Fix your society with those GOP numbers

      • Judi Blueye

        Wait a minute: deregulating wall street had a massive veto proof support from both sides of the elected body. You can’t blame Clinton for that: He could not have vetoed it if he chose to. We all voted those idiots in, and look what we got for it.

  • K_Ann

    I can not believe the logic calisthenics Mr. Schewitz had to perform to blame this on Republicans. Tragically, sheeple accept his garbage as facts rather than educating themselves.

  • Terry

    What????? Detroit has had Democrat Mayors since 1962…… Rachel come on…. No wonder no one watches your show anymore!

    • CCinRI

      Only people capable of pronouncing and comprehending 3 syllable words, and question everything they’re told watch Rachel. Intellectually and socially retarded lemmings watch Fox.

  • Mindy Look

    ill take a free house and lot and turn it into self susstanable magic!

    • Aanna1123

      Come on up Mindy!

  • RaiseMoreHell

    Ironic that a Hillary for President ad is running with this article. She would be, as her husband was, every bit as bad as the GOP in destroying America’s working class,

  • roundthings

    GOP? Both Party’s are to blame.
    Clinton pushed NAFTA. Obama signed on to most favored nation status for China.
    The Dems want to give people everything for nothing, the Republicans don’t want to give anything to anybody.
    To say this is the doings of one Party is simply stupid

  • Kyle Ness

    The most democratic, liberal, heavy welfare city in the states has gone bankrupt.. How Ironic!! Anyone Knows a town is doomed once slums start showing up, houses start getting dilapatated, garbage ridden, people move away to avoid crashing property values… This has been going on for years. Slums, welfare is like a spreading cancer taking a city to a slow death. Should have put the dozers to the slums 20 years ago. Simple, want to keep a city viable, Keep the Slums, dilapatated homes AWAY!

    • Animal63

      Where are low income earners supposed to live, if not slums?

    • Aanna1123

      And what makes the majority of red states on welfare and living in slums? R2W! If you look at the facts, you’ll see that I’m correct in what I say.

  • Mark

    Having lived in Detroit, both political parties did this to the city. The GOP made agreements that couldn’t be sustained. The contracts were in place and couldn’t be turned around. The riots happened and the white flight occurs and then the incompetent Dems, mayor Coleman Young, robbed the city blind while continuing the same policies that the GOP put in place. Once the jobs left, and the automobile industry started to slow down, people refused to make changes. They buried their heads in the sand and operated “business as usual”.

    That ended up in the bankruptcy that happened yesterday. Everyone had their hand in the cookie jar and stole. Both parties benefited. The rule of 85 for retiring just signed the death certificate.

    • pctrldy

      This sounds the most reasonable comment, Mark! I don’t think a particular people is to blame. Seems to me argument gets us no where. It’s the same as war. We fight…we lose….even when we win because there is always another argument. Mostly about who caused the fight.

  • Phyllis Nichols

    This is mostly about letting corporations and wealthy individuals buy up resources in Detroit for pennies on the dollar. Watch and see. The taxpayers and middle class will see their services drop while incentives are given to “job creators” to take move in and buy up property and resources with OUR money.

    • dnhook

      But you’re ok with Moochelle and Barry spending our money for parties, vacations and golf, right?

      • Animal63

        So were you this outraged when Bush and Cheney were running up the debt like there was no tomorrow?

      • Aanna1123

        Isn’t it convenient that people like dnhook forget about that!

      • Aanna1123

        What a disrespectful, racist piece of work you are! IF you could read, you would know they, like all other Presidents, pay for their own vacations! AND, just like all other Presidents, they must have a security detail with them, that the taxpayers pay for. So, before you start being accusatory about something you OBVIOUSLY know NOTHING about, get educated! Shame on you for passing on lies you get from Fox News!

      • dnhook

        Racist? HAHAHAHAHA! You fools have used that word so much it means NOTHING now.
        And they don’t pay for the fuel for AF1 ($10,000 per hour), security prep, security during, etc., etc., etc.

        And you stupid libs whipping out “Fox News” when you’re up against a wall is f’ing pathetic. I don’t get my news from the American press. The American press (including Fox News) is nothing more than a propaganda arm for this corrupt administration.

      • Aanna1123

        Nice talk! So, just because you’re black, you can’t be racist? Haaaa ha ha ha ha Your pathetic attempt of putting me down just confirms that you have no true facts. Just as a matter of fact, no other President had to pay for fuel either. LOL@S

      • dnhook

        No other president has taken a vacation a month. And no other president has a fat @ss Wookie eating lobster and drinking $400/bottle wine every day.

      • Aanna1123

        You are so full of the Fox News lies, you wouldn’t know the truth if it smacked you in the face! Believe your lies. You are totally uneducatable!

      • dnhook

        Like I said before, I don’t watch any American news, moron. Even Fox is a propaganda arm for the commie in the white house. Learn how to understand what you read, you intolerant twat.

        But you keep sucking down that Obama BS. One day you’ll choke on it.

      • Aanna1123

        And just keep calling people names. That just assures the educated that your verbiage is just threads you pull from others opinions.

      • dnhook

        When the shoe fits…

  • Spikeyi

    How many half-centuries of uninterrupted Democrat government would it take to make it their fault rather than the omnipotent and all pervasive 1%? Pull the other one, it has bells on it.

  • Scott Cunningham

    How in the world can you blame the Republicans. Generations of “Progressive” policies, Democratic party mismanagement, and Union greed have led to this. Putting the focus on the poor (as noble as that sounds), the lazy, the uneducated, the ignorant, and the criminal, has ultimately driven away those with jobs (who pay taxes), and those who create jobs. Now Detroit has nothing but poor.

    • Animal63

      It’s consumer demand that creates jobs, not the rich. No business owner is gonna hire anyone unless there’s enough demand for their product or service to necessitate adding more workers to meet that demand. And when workers are barely paid enough to afford the absolute basics….

  • Matthew Reece

    There are many economic fallacies in this article. Read Economics in One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt to get an idea of what really happened to Detroit.

  • Freezner

    What a joke! The demands on big business, is exactly what drove them out of the very cities they themselves grew. Get a clue! Why would a company leave where they are for a lack of taxes and regulations? You sound silly and devoid of common sense.

  • lonestarlet

    Those of you who are progressives commenting here just do not get it and Detroit is the proof. Everything you say is the solution is exactly bass-ackwards. Tim Anderson: you mention Tennessee as the poster child for the GOP. You are wrong ~ Texas IS that poster child and none of your statements about it are correct. It’s hard for those living where the cost of living is very high to understand that you can buy a house in the DFW Texas area for under $70K that is nice. That’s because you don’t understand the difference between “cost of living” and “standard of living”. The standard of living over most of the state is very comfortable, although few of us take $100 million vacations as your leader seems to like. We have no income tax and the tax revenues all come from sales and property taxes. So those who own property and those who spend money to buy stuff are the ones that pay all the taxes. The USA should see this example as the enduring successful method of running a government, but not a government so large & unwieldy as what obama envisions. The TX lege meets every other year and this has to be another reason we don’t have ridiculous laws for everything possible. Finally, Detroit was ruined by the dems and the unions’ contracts (most notably their pension plans). We have been hearing the warnings to them and seeing the exodus of the population for several years now. And nothing was ever done ~ must be that “too big to fail” mentality continuing to encourage no changes. Strange that liberals would decide to choose the word “progressive” for their name change as there is no PROGRESS to be seen under their governance.

    BTW “Dirty Texas” does not intend to be the savior of America. Your name-calling doesn’t bother us because we know we are in the right. We will continue to take care of ourselves the way that works for us, a states’ rights solution. But we don’t intend to stick around to let the mindset of people from Detroit drag us down. We welcome folks who are ready to work, take responsibility for their own lives, and not expect the government to support them to the grave. And as more Americans wake up to this mindset that just faded away from the American spirit, they will be saying the same thing Davy Crockett said to the Tennessee House: ” Ya’ll can just go to Hell. I’m going to Texas.”

  • Snootch

    You have got to be effing kidding me. Since 1922 Detroit has consistently elected Democratic politicians and was a union city, but the Republicans are the ones who caused the bankruptcy? We can’t learn from history if you’re rewriting what actually happened.

  • Ole Man

    Great article. And unfortunately, it’s dead on.

  • rf7777

    That is a pure opinion piece. Zero evidence presented that republican policies killed Detroit. There is a lot of evidence that Detroit was killed by not diversifying in the setting of the US moving out of its industrial phase, similar to the rest of the rust belt. Lot’s of evidence that the city was ran by ridiculously incompetent people.

  • Michael E

    The whole basis to the argument in this article is flawed.

    Blaming Republicans mainly for the economic downturn (and associated bankruptcy) in Detroit is an act of utter absurdity.

    The only real part politicians played in the success and failure of the economic viability of Detroit was that they made some good decisions under the right conditions and some horribly bad decisions at the wrong times.

    Detroit flourished in a time when the US had the leading manufacturing capabilities on the planet. Most other counties were either too far behind technologically or not growing at an equally rapid pace as the US was at the time.

    Business conditions were far more favorable to US manufacturers at the time as environmental and workplace safety regulations weren’t as stringent and restrictive and taxes weren’t as numerous and regressive as they are in our modern American society today.

    Rich people (albeit fewer of them) made great deals of money – so much that they could afford the somewhat inflated union wages and still protect their bottom line. Business owners made good money as well as their workers…times were great in Detroit.

    That was then, THIS IS NOW.

    Foreign, formerly third-world nations are growing in manufacturing power currently due to a large, moderately-educated, low-wage workforce, little to no environmental and workplace safety regulations, and enormous, worldwide companies who are willing to manufacture there because they have to keep costs down so the price of their product stays low in order to be competitive and to keep profits high so that their investors can make money on their investment.

    Some US cities (Pittsburgh is a good example) have adapted to the global workplace moving away from manufacturing and moving towards newer, less crowded, and higher demand industries like technology, insurance, education, and healthcare industries. Pittsburgh too was in the throes of bankruptcy, but with state monitored (Republican primarily) financial oversight, and a few very good decisions, have thrived (and grown) in a downturned economy.

    Simple, one-sided thoughtless finger pointing does no one any good and conveys no worthwhile evidence to back the “Bad GOP” claims… Either try harder, research more, or don’t even bother…

  • GlocKittyXe

    so, the future under the RNC will end up like what the DNC was in control of for the last 50 years? please tell me again about all the republicans that are running detroit.

  • dbb1031

    Under the GOP ??? Democrats have OWNED that city for 60 years……I lived there for 4 years………….it was train wreck………Manny Schewitz you are a f*cking clown……

  • http://www.shockandblog.com/ Jay McHue

    Manny, are you brain-dead or something? Detroit has been under the Democrats’ collective thumb for decades. Something like 40-50 years. Detroit’s bankruptcy (which Obama laughably took credit for allegedly preventing almost a year ago) is solely the result of the incompetence and flat-out corruption of Democrats and ONLY Democrats. All the “crumbling bridges” and the decline of education here are also because of incompetent and corrupt Democrats.

  • Aanna1123

    What the majority of you don’t realize, because you don’t live here, is that since this governor took office (I didn’t vote for the putz) he has done nothing but strip people’s votes from them by forcing EM’s into all cities that are predominately black! On top of that obstruction, he has made it clear that he feels the state should have control of ALL pension funds. He has done everything he can, even not paying Detroit the monies owed, to stop any kind of growth in Michigan! He takes taxpayers money to fund ‘For-Profit’ charter schools, leaving our public schools in a very iffy situation. He has given corporations additional tax breaks – from 74% to 86%. He has started taxing seniors retirement funds and has screwed over our unemployed and forced R2W on us! Michigan land is being sold to the Chinese and he wants to start fracking in our lakes! Please keep your better than thou attitudes to yourself if you don’t live here. You have no clue what happens here, the same as I have no clue to what happens in your state. We have a major clusterf**k going on and don’t need flippant comments from you! Thank you Manny for putting the truth out there!

  • Joe H

    You are delusional. Detroit is led by liberals for decades and this is the GOP’s fault? You have quite an imagination!

  • Canread

    Is this the epitome of liberal stupidity? I don’t think I’ve read anything more ignorant than this article.

  • Tim St Pierre

    So liberals have run the city of Detroit for 40+ years and between corrupt unions making it so the US auto makers can’t compete, along with continually electing corrupt democrats as officials, Kwami Kilpatrick anyone? This is some how the GOP’s fault since the voters got fed up enough and elected a republican governor? Please liberals, continue your fallacy of history revision, the rest of us who live in reality land know better.

  • mperhaps

    Why aren’t liberals celebrating? They won! All liberal unions won their battles.
    Congratulations! Assembly line welders are now the highest paid people in the unemployment line. How could you not see this coming? When the same welding jobs can be done overseas for 15.00/hr. Christ even Obama is smarter than you guys. He graduated 1st in his class at Harvard, he’s wicked smawt. Which means he was smart enough to put WHAT stipulations on the GM bailout? Hmmm? Take your time. Come on, you know. Exactly, Obama insisted on cutting the unions off at the knees before giving them a dime. Didn’t he? Obama knew it would all be a waste of time if he didn’t help GM somehow become more competitive in the international market. That’s pretty easy for you folks to understand isn’t it?

  • [email protected]

    Um, Detroit was run by Democrats for most of the past 50 years.

  • mperhaps

    Do see how far the willfully uninformed like Manny Schewitz will go to avoid talking about corporate competition. The only thing Manny will look at is the condition of the employees. He absolutely refuses to say anything about the real world. Lets do it Manny’s way: All employees have full benefits, full dental, fat pensions, what else would Manny like? Since it seems like he’s using Greece as a model we’ll add a 3 day work week, 6 hour days and everybody retires before puberty. How’s that Manny? Is that your Utopian city. Great. Now you’re an American company producing compact cars that cost 310,000.00 a piece. Who’s going to invest in your company? You don’t like to talk about that do you Manny? You’re an atrocious businessman aren’t you Manny? Liberals love employees, they love the unemployed, they love all immigrants . . .they just don’t like business owners do they? They won’t say it but their actions speak louder than their words. Liberals hate private sector business owners, they always have.

  • mperhaps

    I’m happy to see that 90% of all the people reading this trash think Manny is full of shit. That gives me hope for the world. That all of the forward progressive readers know that Manny is NOT uniformed. He knows. He’s deliberately avoiding the truth and his readers know it.

  • T. Webb

    I’m as liberal as the day is long, but seriously? Detroit is a “victim” of it’s poor choices for leadership. Coleman Young for decades was basically the kingpin of Detroit, yet he was continually reelected Mayor, and filled the government with his cronies. I lived there for decades, and the only thing truly surprising about all of this is that it took so long to get to this point. And where are the leaders responsible? Dead or retired. But now the bills are coming due for their poor decisions.

  • Canread

    The truth about Detroit
    dont watch it? then dont talk about it. this article is slanted garbage, and does nothing to look at how statism is ruining our lives.

    youtube(dot)com/watch?v=y9sTiB6JAiQ

  • Joseph

    This article really has my stumped. Hasn’t Detroit been run by democrats for decades? Maybe we should just all move to North Korea where everyone is equal and there are no evil rich people and corporations to screw everything up.

  • fdbrian

    When a CEO sends jobs overseas, they essentially sacrifice the livelihood of many for the benefit of a few. Do you think cars all of the sudden got cheaper when they moved some plant to Mexico, NO. All it did was let the company make a car for less money so the CEO and management could make more money.

  • Si Gung

    Someone forgot to cut spending when the income dropped off. It isn’t rocket science.

  • rex

    the democrats left wing, liberal, socialist are delusional.. The bankruptcy of Detroit is mainly due to Mayor K the riots, the public employee legacy cost, and the UAW bankrupting the auto mfg.

  • rex

    you can’t pay uneducated workers $80.00 an hour to turn a screw or sweep floors. The job bank alone should show the union mentality. pay to do nothing, with no limit as too how long they could be in it. when consumers chose to not pay for that, they got a tax payer bail out. Make no mistake it was a bail out of the union, not the auto company. And saying the company’s paid back most is wrong. They overlook the stock given to the unions. They still own them at GM. Chrysler UAW stock sold to Fiat. Also Fiat bought a US company for pennies on the dollar, financed by US tax dollars. Detroit traded promises of free stuff, for votes. payment is due, and they want an out state, or federal bailout. overlooking the fact the rest of the country, cities, states townships counties even the feds have their own legacy cost hardships.

  • DStroup

    Please remind me now…What party has controlled Detroit for most of the last two decades?