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The Anti-Vaccine Movement Is The Left’s Intellectual Problem With Science

vaccinesI will often see comments from readers who say things such as “you call yourself a progressive but all you do is bash the right,” or other similar statements. The fact of the matter is I will call out people who are being ignorant, regardless of where they identify themselves politically. I have previously called out the anti-science hysteria that has completely overtaken the anti-Monsanto movement, and now it is quite apparent that the same thing needs to be done with those who have taken it upon themselves to try to convince everyone that vaccines are evil. No, these aren’t just people on the far right who believe every new story Alex Jones cooks up to sell more of his survivalist gear and fluoride filters. These are people who proudly call themselves liberal or progressive and laugh at conservatives who deny the overwhelming scientific evidence for evolution, climate change and other issues of our time. Yet they will still show up in droves on every post I make on my page about vaccines to make statements that could have been ripped off conspiracy sites like Infowars, Natural News and so on.

I often share well-researched images from Refutations To Anti-Vaccine Memes and articles on my page that refute some of the most ludicrous conspiracy ideas that float around out there, only to have people claim that I’m a shill for Big Pharma or Monsanto, etc. Let’s be very clear here: if you consider yourself educated and you want to make the point that your stance on issues like climate change is based on science, then you cannot then turn around and claim that decades of scientific research are really just a plot by the pharmaceutical companies to sell vaccines. Remember the ludicrous comment by Bill O’Reilly when he stated “See, the water, the tide comes in and it goes out, Mr. Silverman. It always comes in, and always goes out. You can’t explain that.”(Source)

Yes, that was probably one of the dumbest statements ever made on Fox News, but sadly we see people on the left say equally asinine things based on discredited hypotheses like the anecdotal “Amish don’t vaccinate” story and outright falsehoods like chemtrails all the time. You cannot claim conservatives are stupid for believing that the Earth is only 6,000 years old but then state that the flu vaccine gives you the flu, when in fact the injection contains dead viruses which have zero chance of causing an actual infection. You cannot say that conservatives are morons for believing that Obama is going to send UN special forces door to door to seize guns when you spread false information yourself.

Look at this video of a guy in SW Florida who actually believes contrails from passenger airplanes at 30,000 feet are chemicals being sprayed across his backyard that are being negated by vinegar. You may think that is ludicrous, but did you know that 5% of voters actually believe this is a secret plot by the government to dumb people down? This isn’t a contagion of derp confined solely to conservatives, insomniacs, and truck drivers listening to Coast To Coast AM – this is a very real problem on the left as well.

We are currently near the height of the 2013-2014 flu season, and in Dallas County, TX alone, 35 people have died already. Many on the left scoff at misinformation from the right such as stories that claim abortions cause breast cancer, but yet every single day people on the left tell me that vaccinations cause autism or that they’re full of poisons – and there are even a few idiots who still believe a flu shot actually caused a woman to only be able to walk backwards.

Look, if we want to claim that we as liberals or progressives are superior to conservatives because we base our arguments on science and logic, then we need to actually base our arguments on science and logic. Let’s start calling out people who throw away centuries of medical research in favor of stories from fear-mongering, for-profit websites that make their money by spreading baseless rumors and accusations. If we can’t accept science over disproven vaccine myths and outright lies, then we are morally and intellectually no better than the likes of Michele Bachmann, Bill O’Reilly, Glenn Beck or Alex Jones.

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Manny Schewitz is a progressive from the Dirty South with an inclination to say it like it is. He is a co-founder of Forward Progressives, author of the Kvetching with Manny column, and an unapologetic Bernie Sanders supporter. Manny also maintains an active presence on Facebook, and you can follow him on Twitter as well. Be sure to check out Manny's archives on Forward Progressives for more of his viewpoints.

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  • shopper

    Sorry – but I really don’t totally trust the drug companies – they are companies and their aim is to make as much money as possible. Too many drugs have lots of side effects that aren’t nearly as ‘rare’ as they claim. Will agree that we need the vaccines as they help most people, but will not say they are safe for all. Wish there was a way to test babies to see if they will be able to tolerate these drugs.

    • SMDH

      Both of my children, siblings, nieces, nephews, cousins, children of friends, etc have all been immunized; please provide proof of the claim you have that these side effects aren’t as rare as “they” claim. Who is “they” and why do you believe that the side effects aren’t very rare? Personally, I’ve never seen a side effect to a vaccination and I have a very large family and a decent network of friends and acquaintances. Please provide proof to your statement.

      Most of the vaccinations that are being administered have been around for more than 20 years. The newest one being Chicken Pox (as far as I’m aware, though I may be wrong) and even that one is over 10 years old. These things are not put out for the general population without vigorous testing. To get approved by the FDA , a vaccination goes trough six stages, which can take years. The CDC tracks all side effects, so please explain your statement.

    • http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php Skeptical Raptor

      Vaccine manufacturers would make several times the profits if they didn’t sell vaccines because kids would all be in the hospital.

      Moreover, you’re an ignorant fool to believe that everyone in Big Pharma is evil and immoral. Just because YOU can invent a conspiracy, doesn’t mean one exists. I am perfectly able to make a profit AND save lives. I know that is beyond your limited education in science AND business, but it is possible.

  • Pegel

    It’s not the dead virus in the vaccine that worries me. It’s the chemicals that are used as preservatives. Preventing things like chicken pox or the mumps is great. However, the timing and number of boosters required has always made me wonder if injecting an infant that many times is necessary. If I delay getting the first shot then the fifth booster is not needed. Why then, do we get that first one so early? Especially if the mother has had the shots and is breastfeeding.

    • SMDH

      because most adults don’t get their booster shots and it’s not something that lasts forever. Research it, the information is readily available on the internet for anyone who honestly wants to know real information. If an infant gets something like whooping cough or mumps or measles, the risk of side effects or death is very high.

      Personally, I would risk the side effects than put my child through the sheer pain of any immunizable illness – and that’s exactly what people who do not immunize their children do: put their child at a much higher risk for a huge amount of pain and possible deformity. The reason there is a Chicken Pox vaccine is because of the likelyhood that when grown, you can get Shingles. I do NOT want my children going through that and the possibility of blindness that comes with shingles is enough for me to get them immunized.

      Generations of children have been immunized, why suddenly is this something that we as intellectuals think we know better now?

      • Guest

        I got vaccinated against chicken pox when I was a girl, HAD IT, after the vaccination, AND as an adult had shingles… Um… Any PHd in immunology? This is experimenting with the masses.

      • kellymbray

        You are a study of N=1. Both my kids got the shot, never got chickenpox, and will never get shingles. That is a study size N=2. Mine trumps yours. Or we could use real science which show that although the vaccine is not perfect, but it works really well and chickenpox incidence has plummeted.

      • BiggerThanYou

        You’re just one of those statistical outliers. Not that you know what that means…

    • Karkadann

      Those chemicals we use aren’t very dangerous.
      At worst yomeone might have some kind of allergy, but that’s always a risk with everything, and a slim one, too.

    • trew

      Infants are particularly vulnerable because they have not had the opportunity to develop immunity, that is why they are vaccinated young.

      • SMDH

        And not every woman can actually breastfeed. I know a woman that didn’t produce milk with any of her children.

    • Jason Tadd Jackson

      That’s shady the author was taking about. There are decades of medical research that confirms their safety. Most of those chemicals are naturally occurring and can be found in anything from breastmilk to apples. People need to stop freaking out over the world chemical all the time.

    • http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php Skeptical Raptor

      Here we go with a baseless, evidence-free statement about vaccines. It’s the same anti-science, non-evidence arguments made by anti-GMO people.

      Please, tell me how your scientific research, published in peer-reviewed journals, indicates something is wrong with the current vaccine schedule. Do you have a Ph.D. in immunology, infectious diseases, virology? Something?

      And how does breastfeeding help. It does not confer adaptive immunity which is what keeps pathogens at bay.

      Your science crap is just crap.

      • PoppinIn

        She was quite literally asking a question that you COULD have given a response to with the same links or evidence that you’re asking her to produce. Instead, you went full douche.

        Do you have a Ph.D. in immunology, infectious diseases, virology? Something?

        If so, freaking act like it. Teach. Broaden the mind. Provide the information she needs. Not make it immediately impossible to care what you have to say.

      • BiggerThanYou

        Did you know it’s a lie that carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide are poisonous in high levels!
        I suggest you go into your garage, start your car, and begin your own research!

    • idontknownuthin

      Thank you. I delayed my babies’ vaccines for that reason and breastfed for 15 months – and they were not in day care. I’m glad I did, because, (I KNOW this is anecdotal and I’m obviously not totally anti-vaccine) I’ve seen reactions to vaccines in 3 babies, and it’s scary. The last I heard, (my kids are teens now) a 2 month old is given 9 (NINE) vaccines including 2 live virus’s. And the main reason is because when babies are little, parents take them to the doctor regularly, so it helps with compliance. But I was compliant on my own schedule. Compliance is truly the only reason to do it that young. Their immune systems are more developed later anyway and it’s more effective. And remember, it’s hard to trust a system that market’s and “ear infection vaccine” that at best prevents 7 out of a 100 ear infections… breastfeeding will do better. It was 3 months on the market when I was offered that. I turned it down. It feels like a money grab. My kids each had one ear infection in their whole lives, both around 5 years old. Everyone is just trying to do best by their children… I really believe it’s the most difficult topic for early parenthood.

  • AP

    This article is neither forward or progressive, It’s propaganda.

    • SMDH

      Explain your stance on why you think that an article on the real value of vaccinating children against painful and possible deforming illnesses that were nearly eradicated is propaganda.

      Please don’t state something without defending your stance. I can state that the sky is really purple but I have to defend my position on why I think that, don’t I?

      Problem with many people anymore, they don’t want to defend their position, they simply want to attack others whose view is different than theirs.

    • Joseph

      Propaganda is an attempt to sway emotions and allow them to swamp reason. Science is a process of gathering observations, examining the facts, and using them to draw conclusions. Propaganda relies on emotions and inherent biases. Science relies on data.

      There is a mountain of evidence, millions of observations made by tens of thousands of people, all of which support the thesis that vaccines are a safe and effective way to protect against many diseases. There is nothing at all compelling to show otherwise.
      Vaccines have been proven to save lives. Refusing them risks your life and the lives of others around you.

  • Matthew Reece

    The anti-vaccine movement is largely based on research done by Andrew Wakefield. He was found to have engaged in fraud to such a degree that he was struck off the medical register in the UK. This is the equivalent of a lawyer being disbarred, so you know he did something terrible.

    • Pipercat

      I wonder if Richard Barr will suffer the literal equivalent fate…

    • http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php Skeptical Raptor

      If it were only Wakefield, we could just have him arrested and sent to Gitmo (this is my delusional mind, so let me live it).

      In fact, the DTaP vaccine was created because the previous DTwP vaccine was claimed to have too many side effects (it had a few, because of the way it was prepared, but nothing serious). The problem is that the DTwP vaccine was much more powerful in building immunity to whooping cough. This happened because of the anti-vaxx crazies of the 1980′s.

    • Sandy Lusk

      As a mother of a child with severe autism, I get angry as a bear, when people say they didn’t vaccinate because it causes autism. As you point out, there was no scientific basis for Wakefield’s claim. Autism is a set of behaviors, according to the definition and how little we know about it. The thing is the autistic are not bad people, deranged or threatening. They are honest and true. They need our help, not our condemnation. If these people would rather have a child dead from whooping cough than an autistic child, are they even worthy of being parents? No. Parenting means protecting your child and unconditional love. The anti-vaccine crowd are neither.

      • buricco

        I find antivaxers and people trying to “fix” autistics are often one and the same…

        We’re not broken. We don’t need or want to be fixed.

      • kellymbray

        Yep, the curse of the curebies.

      • mscoyote

        Totally agree. It runs through our family and we are all achievers and inventors. We don’t treat our children like they are handicapped or retarded. We value them for their superior skills.

      • JB

        Agree wholeheartedly. My son is autistic and he just is who he is. In some ways he’s more difficult to raise than my other children, and in other ways, he makes me appreciate the world for all its idiosyncrasies even more. Even if vaccines DID cause autism, which I 100% do not believe, I would certainly rather have him the way he is than suffer or die from a terrible, preventable disease.

    • charlseyjo

      My daughter almost died at 5 months old. I will always be anti vaccine. ..

      • Kmeares

        Know anyone who has died from small pox, any children paralyzed from Polio or any kids who’ve gone deaf from Measles? No. THen stfu and vaccinate you moron.

      • BiggerThanYou

        Well her fathers an idiot, so she’ll get other chances…

      • glblank

        That’s your choice, just stay the hell away from the rest of us.

      • Colin Syck Kavanagh

        Sample size of one with not a shred of evidence to back up the claims…sounds legit. Stop the presses. Vaccines kill little girls.

      • Brian

        Anecdote.
        Even if true, many more five months old actually did die of curable diseases in the past. Vaccines saved those that didn’t.

    • Dylan Kynaston

      Frankly, something that is just as plausible, if not more so, as the anti-vaccine myths, is that Wakefield published this paper to destroy the US. Lets see how anti-vaccers would react to that.

  • http://msannomalley.com/ Kathy Kramer

    ” You cannot say that conservatives are morons for believing that Obama is going to send UN special forces door to door to seize guns when you spread false information yourself.”

    Thank you for calling out this hypocrisy. I often hear people insist that “we’re not like conservatives” and, as you pointed out, mock them for denying climate change or believing that “their coming for your guns”, but then turn around and spread information that’s been discredited repeatedly by scientific fact about things like vaccines and mental illness. .

    The mental illness part is the one that really bugs me. These same people talk about psychiatric medications in the same way and claim you can cure mental illness if you’d “eat more kale”. They dismiss scientific fact because the proven facts do not fit into their narrative.

    What these people don’t realize is that when they say these things, they are stigmatizing people with mental illness by shaming them for taking medications. Some people need to take meds. Some don’t. It’s not your place to tell them they are “being brainwashed by Big Pharma” because they need to take anti-depressants just so they can get out of bed in the morning. Diet and exercise are a part of treating mental illness, but there is no one magic bullet. Treatment is individual to that person.

    • PoppinIn

      It’s not about being brainwashed, it’s about getting the appropriate treatment. Only severe cases have shown to have any improvement with antidepressants, but not many doctors are saying “you don’t need to pay me OR this company to get better. Eat right. Exercise. Talk to someone.” That’s the problem. Too many people taking pills that aren’t changing their disposition or energy levels. Not enough people getting information on leading healthier, happier lives with or without medication.

      • Jennifer

        Wow. Thanks for setting us straight. I guess the fact that vitamins, exercise, a pet, therapy, group therapy and a great support system were ALL prescribed by my doctor along with my medication means nothing. Gonna throw out those pills and the three hard years of recovery because my mental illness is not severe enough for you. You insult every single person who struggles with mental illness and should be ashamed of your own ignorance.

      • JonS

        Did you remember to change your ‘energy levels’, what ever the hell that means?

      • Brian

        And the credentials allowing you make this statement without proof are… what?

    • mscoyote

      Scientific research points out that the majority of people in the world are touchy feelies that put social oooieness as their number one priority. They even call being able to con people into things by pushing their emotional buttons intelligence. These people object highly to those who see the world differently and require data and information for decision making. I would say the extremes of this type of human were far more out of touch and incapable of survival outside the hive than many of the more extreme forms on the autism spectrum. Humans would still be running around naked and eating their meat raw if it were not for ‘nerds’ and specially gifted minds. It’s time to put the whole issue on a different footing.

  • Michael Siever

    Personal responsibility at its finest: Blaming your alcoholism, drug addiction, and obesity on bad genes, while blaming your son’s autism on vaccines…

    • SMDH

      I’m so tired of hearing the phrase “personal responsibility”; it’s a talking point and nothing more. It’s used to attack those that disagree with a view point and get those that disagree on the defensive.

      Genetics plays a huge role in things that we don’t even quite understand yet, which includes obesity, alcoholism and addiction in general, just like there is a predisposition to mental illness.

      • Michael Siever

        You missed the point of my post. So many people are quick to claim they have bad genes when it comes to their own problems (alcoholism, addiction, and obesity), because they want to be victims; however, once their children are diagnosed with something that could be passed on due to bad genes (autism), these same people are so quick to blame a third party (vaccines) for their children’s diagnoses because they don’t want to be seen as culprits…

      • SMDH

        I’m just tired of seeing that particular argument as a viable one. It has been used for many arguments, from abortion to food stamps, child rearing, homelessness or eating habits and now this. It’s been used so many times to “prove” a person isn’t owning up to his own responsibilities when there are no other arguments to be had. One doesn’t known what is happening in another persons life for the to be doing what they are doing.

        Seeing and hearing this argument and no other without proof to back up said statements is very tiresome.

        I can not recall anyone stating that their genetic predisposition to being an addict made them become one (but I will go look it up) however, I will agree with you on the vaccinations causing autism argument.

      • Dissenter13a

        Many auto-immune disorders are caused by vaccines. It is like playing Russian roulette with a needle.

      • BahlSanchin

        Poppycock.

      • Dissenter13a

        Peer-reviewed studies, submitted as evidence in Vaccine Court.

      • BahlSanchin

        “Vaccine Court?”

        Where are you getting your “information” from? Natural News?

      • Dissenter13a

        The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986, codified at 42 U.S.C. §§ 300aa-1 to 300aa-34. PDFs of relevant documents in thousands of cases, heard in the Court of Federal Claims by special masters, are available through PACER, but it is not free.

        Next galactically stupid question from the spectacularly misinformed?

      • BahlSanchin

        You conspiracy theorists are full of all kinds of unverifiable “information” aren’t you?

      • Dissenter13a

        It is easily verifiable. However, I really don’t give a frig as to whether drooling left-wing teaba9999ers like you take the time and spend the money to do so.

      • BiggerThanYou

        You get easily offended when people question your dogma! Just like the Taliban!

      • Brian

        Links?

      • BiggerThanYou

        Just because you got AIDS because of sharing dirty needles, doesn’t mean that vaccines cause auto immune disorders!

      • Dissenter13a

        I thought that AIDS from drug use was more of a lefty thing….

        Vaccines do cause serious auto-immune disorders, even according to government experts testifying under oath. And if there is a just God, you will be next.

      • BiggerThanYou

        Only conservatives are dumb enough to not endorse the use of clean needles, or discourage the use of condoms, so you’re wrong again!
        You seem to be wrong a lot though, so one more won’t hurt!

      • Dissenter13a

        Lefties are the ones sharing dirty needles.

      • Brian

        Yeah, and until a doctor says “your genetics caused this”, I’m gonna tell people who claim such they’re full of it.

  • http://www.interfolio.com/portfolio/GHerstein/ Gary Herstein

    This may be correct, but I’ve yet to see a single study that situates anti-vax as a solidly Left vs. Right issue. The measles outbreak that recently hit the news came from a mega-church, and such institutions are typically very Right-leaning in their politics. Numerous creationist groups are also anti-vaxxers. There may actually be a tendency for the anti-vax crowd to lean toward the political Left, but this has to be shown, not assumed. If there is such a study, I’d appreciate anyone pointing me in its direction.

    • Michael Drzyzga

      I’d modify your claim and say we only need to establish that anti-vax isn’t a mostly right wing movement. As long as leftists and centrists aren’t a tiny minority, the thesis still holds.

    • http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php Skeptical Raptor

      Mississippi, probably one of the reddest states ever, does not allow any exemptions, except medical ones, for vaccines. None. Not religious, not anything.

      So, you’re right, it’s not solidly Left vs. Right. But, when a right wing nut is against vaccines, I feel it’s just typical anti-science crap like denying evolution or global warming.

      I have higher expectations of the Left. But in fact, I’ve come to realize that the Left has just as many science deniers, especially with GMO’s and vaccines.

  • Pipercat

    Search Wakefield-Barr. Choose the braindeer piece and prepare yourself. Well cited and documented.

  • Pipercat

    I love this phrase: Piltdown medicine…

  • hurricanechelsea

    Let’s be best friends. This piece makes me so happy. I mean, I’m furious that the situation exists, but it’s satisfying when people speak out against it.

  • Guest

    You are starting to come off as condescending, I did not learn anything from this article

    • http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php Skeptical Raptor

      Sorry that you’re embarrassed by your lack of scientific knowledge. You can correct that by actually giving a crap about your education.

    • Mary Bacon

      That’s because it was a political post and not meant to be a scientific evidence post. Here is the short version of all the science you need to know. Vaccines save lives, anyone who claims they are dangerous is lying, or doesn’t understand science. Fake-science sites that oppose vaccines are making money selling fear and snake oil. Now you’ve learned something, You’re welcome.

      • Guest

        I am not embarassed by any lack of knowledge. I only want to encourage informative articles, not common sense condescension.

    • kellymbray

      There are many adult education classes that can help you with reading comprehension.

  • Fed up, F’d up and funny

    Why lump anti vaccine with Monsanto? I believe in vaccine, and not GMO’s. MANY countries have banned GMO’s altogether. I don’t have any desire to eat pesticides. Vaccines have stopped polio in this country, and now India appears to be free of polio as well. I have had a hysterectomy due to the HPV virus and have had my SON vaccinated so that he will not be a carrier. These issues, are different issues, and not every liberal lumps them together. Why do you?

    • http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php Skeptical Raptor

      Using “countries have banned GMO’s altogether” is the logical fallacy of Appeal to Popular Belief. Just because some countries have done that (and the stories are always inaccurate), doesn’t mean science supports it.

      The vast majority of scientific research supports the safety of GMO’s to humans, animals and the environment. Period.

      The AAAS, which establishes scientific consensus, agrees. So do most other scientific bodies.

      • buricco

        Just because the reasoning is based on a logical fallacy doesn’t mean the conclusion is inherently false.

      • A_Teacher

        Indeed, the conclusion could be accidentally correct but he fact that the argument itself is fallacious ought to make you look closer at it.

      • buricco

        Indeed.

      • Dissenter13a

        Did you receive that check from Monsanto, SR?

      • http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php Skeptical Raptor

        Yes, I contributed it to providing science education to Americans, since it appears to be sorely lacking.

      • Dissenter13a

        Ever heard of thalidimide? In many cases, we don’t find out scientifically that something is harmful until it has done a lot of harm.

      • http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php Skeptical Raptor

        Ever heard of “Strawman Argument.” So, the best you can do is pull out a 50 year old issue from a time when testing was different, and regulations were antiquated. Outstanding. Let’s play this game.

        In 1350, your expected lifespan at birth was 25 years, give or take. Those rats caused it, so let’s blame chihuahuas today for potentially causing the black plague. You know, because rats and chihuahuas are both mammals.

        Here’s the thing about science. It’s not dogmatic. So, it develops new consensuses with new evidence. Thalidomide was released as an over the counter drug in Germany in 1950′s. That was bad, and it doesn’t happen today. But with significant research, we figured out that thalidomide has potentially useful medical indications, and is still prescribed.

        The fact is, we have a scientific consensus about the safety of GMO’s, and the safety of vaccines. This wasn’t done by vote. It wasn’t done by one person arguing with another. It was done by the preponderance and overwhelming scientific and clinical evidence, something not available to us with thalidomide.

        So, what evidence, published in peer reviewed journals, that you uncovered, using your big school Ph.D. and 2 decades of world class research that will convince anyone that the consensus must be changed?

        Oh wait, you want to use ignorance and anti science sophistry. Well, anyone with an IQ above 90 wants more. But thanks for playing.

      • Dissenter13a

        We don’t have a scientific consensus; all we have is bad data, as FDA head David Kessler admitted. How can you say that vaccines are safe if only one in 100 adverse reactions is even reported?

        As for GMOs, they are well on their way to becoming the new DDT. We’re in danger of losing the monarch butterfly

      • Alan

        You mean “We don’t have a scientific consensus that I like.” Because there’s no real disagreement on vaccines. The biggest problem with regards to vaccines is that the medical community can’t convince everyone to actually received them.

      • Dissenter13a

        You extreme pro-vaxers are the left’s equivalent of global warming deniers. Whereas a scientist knows that your conclusions are only as sound as your data, an admission that the VAERS system under-tallies adverse vaccine reactions by a factor of roughly 100 doesn’t faze you in the slightest. For you, vaccine safety is purely an article of faith, not science. Like Kochs’ Suckers, nothing will disturb your immaculate preconceptions. “It can’t happen” is their mantra, too.

        I’m not anti-vax but rather, submit that we over-vax. The equation is one of net benefit, and if the risk is understated by a factor of 100, that fact moves the break-even point. By way of example, instead of recommending that everyone over 50 get a flu shot, we should be saying that everyone over 70 should. And do we really need an HPV vaccine? Probably not. But polio? Roll up the arm.

        Those who say it is a good thing are looking at the overall benefit to the herd. But if you are one of the sheep sacrificed for the benefit of the herd, it is not so great.

        If there was a just God, you would be afflicted with chronic inflammatory demyelinating polyneuritis–a disease that experts agree can be caused by the flu vaccine. CIDP is forever, and treatment costs northwards of $100,000 a year. And forget living a normal life. I would enjoy the pleasure of watching raptor and you not being able to even get into bed by yourselves and reminding you that I told you so.

        When you lie to people about vaccines, that is the life you’re needlessly consigning people to. Unless you are willing to be the sacrificial lamb, you really should stfu.

      • BiggerThanYou

        So by agreeing with the scientific consensus, you think this makes pro-vaxers “the left’s equivalent of global warming deniers.” That’s funny because it’s the anti-vaxers who are going against the scientific consensus!
        Please keep typing, I haven’t laughed this hard in a while!

      • Dissenter13a

        Your conclusions are only as good as your data, and Kessler admitted that the data is garbage. And why would government medical experts testify to the fact that vaccines cause auto-immune disorders if it wasn’t true?

        For you, this is a religion. Just like the teaba666ers. And if there is a just God, you will be next.

      • BiggerThanYou

        Sure, by agreeing with the vast majority of doctors, as well as the overwhelming SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS, that must mean that it’s ” religion” for me

        Not like you, flat world theorists who only base your opinions on evidence. LOL
        Pleas keep this up, I love showing your lack of logic!

      • Dissenter13a

        No responsible doctor would tell you that vaccines are perfectly safe, and the very first thing a doc will ask a patient when an auto-immune disorder is suspected is if he had had any recent vaccinations. If what you are saying is true, that question wouldn’t get asked.

        For you, this is religious dogma. For me, this is actual experience. Auto-immune disorders like GBS require a “trigger,” and if the only possible trigger is a recent vaccination, it is generally accepted that that is the probable cause.

        Vaccines are called “safe,” in the sense that you are not likely to have a reaction. But when you do — and some do — it is catastrophic.

        If there is a just God, you will be next.

      • Dissenter13a

        You are as ignorant as you are bombastic. The Left’s Sarah Palin … except that I’m sure you don’t look that good in high heels.

        You can’t be reasoned with, so there isn’t much point in my trying. Kind of like the teaba66666ers.

    • Mary Bacon

      I think I love you ~ I sometimes think I’m the only one in the world that is pro-vax but anti-GMO. Pro-vax does have decades of good science, the pro-GMO movement really does not. Vaccines are labeled right down to trace ingredients, GMO’s are not. The arguement is invalid, If we apply the Pro-GMO arguement to vaccines, then we wouldn’t, for example, list the preservatives, because they are not harmful and might confuse people. I am so sick of being lumped in with whack-jobs that advocate leaving your children susceptible to diseases that kill.

      • http://www.amazon.com/Blue-Emergency-Medical-Paramedic-ebook/dp/B00DC2Z648/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1373923565&sr=8-2&keywords=blue+star+reno skepticR

        I’m sorry but that is just not correct. There are literally hundreds of peer reviewed studies that say GMOs are safe

      • Dissenter13a

        Paid for by Monsanto, no doubt. I remember how Big Tobacco held off the day of reckoning.

      • Maritz

        GMO strawberries are made out of strawberries. This is the naturalistic fallacy at work. Human beings have been ‘engineering’ plants and animals for thousands of years. I suggest you try reading some ‘hostile’ GMO material with an open mind. If you want non-engineered wheat, well it’s probably out in your garden. Good luck making bread with it. ;)

      • buricco

        I’m semi-pro-vax (I am suspicious with regard to flu vaccines and attenuated polio vax, but OK with most other vax) and staunchly anti-GMO.

      • Dissenter13a

        I used to be totally pro-vaxx, until I learned that the FDA is working with bad data, finding out the hard way in having to deal with a bad vaccine reaction. Now, I advocate selective use of vaccines only. Polio? Absolutely. Flu? Not a chance. Gardisil? Again, not a chance.

      • BiggerThanYou

        So you’re proud of your HPV, is what you’re saying…

      • Dissenter13a

        No, I just happen to know someone personally whose auto-immune disorder was caused by a vaccine. And I would love to make every last one of you ridiculous left-wing teaba6666ers go through what that person did.

      • BiggerThanYou

        You have evidence of causality?
        NO, you’re just full of it… That’s what we thought!

      • Dissenter13a

        Did you read Glassberg? Didn’t think so. Evidence was presented and accepted.

    • http://shannonhubbell.com Shannon Hubbell

      I think there are significant issues surrounding GMOs involving (for instance) intellectual property, food justice, the rights of farmers, etc. However, when someone claims that GMOs in general have negative *health* effects, they are being just as unscientific as anti-vaxxers.

    • http://www.amazon.com/Blue-Emergency-Medical-Paramedic-ebook/dp/B00DC2Z648/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1373923565&sr=8-2&keywords=blue+star+reno skepticR

      Banning GMOs is illogical because virtually ALL food consumed by humans is genetically modified. Practically NONE of the food we eat exists in nature. It was all created by MAN. Rice, corn, wheat, apples, oranges, bananas, grapes, cows, pigs, chickens and just about any other food you can think of, except for maybe some fish and certain nuts, have ALL been created by humans through genetic modification by selective breeding. But the biological mechanism is the same as so called “GMOs”. A change in the gene structure of an organism in order to produce a desired trait. However selective breeding is slow, inefficient and has the DISADVANTAGE of passing along UNDESIRABLE traits with the desirable ones. Modern science has made the process better because it is faster, more efficient and has the advantage of being so precise NO undesirable traits are passed along. The result is BETTER more nutritious food that requires less land but gives bigger yields and is more resistant to insects and disease so less pesticides and fertilizers are needed which is better for the environment. Of course you have every right to not like GMOs but the fact is there is NO evidence they are harmful in any way and people who are against them don’t understand basic biology

      • A_Teacher

        There is a significant difference between genesplicing done in a laboratory and selective breeding done on a farm. I am not convinced that gene splicing is going to hurt anyone should they consume a GMO but also people should be told what is and what isn’t a GMO.

    • A_Teacher

      Because they are ignorant not because they are ‘liberal’. By your standards I am liberal but I disagree with lumping vaccines in with Monsanto’s misdeeds.

  • surfjac

    Thank you for stating that.
    I was sitting with a bunch of guys all complaining about the flu symptoms they had. I asked if they got a flu shot and there came back a chorus of NO-s. Poison, gov’t plot, all that….and I’m the only with a flu shot and no flu symptoms.

  • CeeAitchEe

    “contagion of derp” is being added to my vocabularly, post haste.

  • AQ

    Preach it Manny!

  • Stacy Mintzer Herlihy

    It’s not a partisan issue. There’s a lot of sad dumbassery on both sides. Witness Republic opposition to the HPV vaccine.

    • NameNotGiven

      Yet democrats are somewhat more likely to avoid the vaccinations and voice anti science views on them

      • BiggerThanYou

        Yup, there are morons on both sides!

  • Betty Eyer

    All the people I know who are anti-vaccines are home schooling libertarians who hate Obama and love guns. So I’m not so sure this particular insanity is bounded along political lines.

    • NameNotGiven

      Ironically yours an an anti science view! The data clearly show anti vaccine is more than a bit more common on the left.

      People on the left are also massively anti science on guns with pew finding over 87% of persons on the left believing that gun murder and gun crime is up when it has plummeted

  • Some guy

    This is one of the most ignorant rants I have ever read. I would love to have an intellectual conversation with Manny to find out where his school of thought is derived from.
    Big pharm and science make mistakes all the time, that’s why there are lawsuits against them. I personally know someone who sued a vaccine company because their kid developed autism after getting vaccine shots at 12 months and they won, because the company knows the truth. The child was fine, made eye contact, smiles, emotions, normal baby. Now he is 4 and can’t even look at the person communicating with him. Why would a vaccine company pay this family if the vaccine was %100 safe?
    People have been protesting vaccines since they were developed.
    I AM NOT SAYING ALL VACCINES ARE BAD, but some are not necessary (HEP-B is an STD, children get that vaccine in the US at birth long before they are sexually active).
    We thought (were told) DDT was perfectly safe to spray on our playgrounds…. Then our kids were becoming paralyzed for some reason. Oh, right, DDT is toxic (look up DDT/polio stats).
    For Christ’s sake, doctors used to smoke cigarettes! Science isn’t always right, but it is very beneficial for us to know what proves and safe and effective OVER TIME.
    America is one of the most unhealthy countries in the world, we consist of 5% percent of the earth’s population, and consume 50% of the worlds pharmaceutical drugs. Our vaccine regiment for children in the US is more than any other country in the world (so is our autism rate). If this is true, and big pharm, and science based GMO food producers like Monsanto are on our side, shouldn’t we be the healthiest country? It’s just kind of interesting when you look at the big picture.

    Btw- on the chemtrail thing: California has admitted to seeding clouds in order to produce snow in the mountains. This is to create more spring time melt off so the reservoirs can be preemptively filled for summer drought months. Look it up. Looks any of this up.

    • Keith D.

      Because the legal system is not the same thing as science or the scientific method. Being paid either via lawsuit or legal settlement doesn’t make the pharmaceutical company culpable or responsible for “causing” autism in their child any more than Casey Anthony or George Zimmerman being found not guilty makes the victims of their alleged crimes come back to life. Big companies pay out on lawsuits all the time when it’s cheaper than fighting the lawsuits through court, or when there’s too high a likelihood that a jury won’t be able to understand the science well enough to reach the correct conclusion.

      Hep-B vaccinations are given at birth because Hep-B exists in hospitals. The Hep-B vaccine is most effective when given within the first 12 hours after birth. 90% of children who contract Hep-B when they’re young will develop lifelong Hep-B which can be passed on to their own children or others via contact with bodily fluids since the virus can live for more than 7 days on objects even if no bodily fluids are visible. 1 out of 4 of these children who contract a lifelong infection will suffer from a serious liver disease or liver cancer. Many people infected with a lifelong, chronic infection have no symptoms and may not know that they have Hep-B, thus making it much more likely that they’ll inadvertently transmit it to someone else– someone who isn’t vaccinated, like a family member’s newborn baby. There are lots and lots of reasons that have nothing to do with babies having sex that they get the vaccine within 12 hours of birth.

      People protesting vaccines since they were developed means nothing with regard to their safety or effectiveness since there will always be some people who will protest anything no matter what. It’s meaningless.

      DDT is not a vaccine, is not a pharmaceutical, was never used in the medical community, and thus was never tested to the same extent that vaccines and medicines are tested. It did work to control malaria and typhus because it was used under controlled and limited conditions– you can research that for yourself. It did not work well as an insecticide because it was used in an uncontrolled, indiscriminate manner where its side effects far outweighed its benefits.

      Doctors are human. Doctors have also engaged in unprotected sex, used cocaine, heroine, driven drunk, beat their wives, killed their spouses, murdered their patients, and so forth just the same as any sufficiently large group of humans has also done. Today people know that smoking is bad for your health and causes disease and kills people, yet they still smoke. Your assertion suggests that simply knowing you could be harmed by some behavior will completely mitigate engaging in that behavior. Clearly that is not the case. It never has been and it likely never will be.

      Over-prescribing has nothing to do with whether or not science has proven a particular vaccine or medication safe or effective– these are two entirely separate issues which have nothing to do with each other. Just because they involve the same field of study doesn’t mean they are related in any way.

      Our autism rate is diagnosed using a different set of criteria in the U.S. than in the rest of the world. Expect the rate to change again now that the DSM-V has been finalized. Bear in mind that autism is a spectrum which is diagnosed by observing a threshold number of items from a categorized list of symptoms. This doesn’t make autism one single thing, which makes it very hard to study or to learn much about until we figure out how to distinguish between different types or kinds so that we can narrow our research focus and eliminate extraneous variables which cause problems in research currently.

      Science knows that things like CO2 emissions cause global warming, and yet we continue to do nothing to reduce our CO2 emissions. If our scientists know that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, then how can it be that we’re one of the only developed, first-world nations on the planet doing nothing to curb our CO2 emissions? It’s because it the link from knowledge to action is not as simple as one always following the other. As you’ve noted above, Americans have a massive tendency to not listen to scientists or to pay attention to research or real world results. And this is true even if your assertions are also true– and that’s what’s the most interesting thing about it when you look at the big picture.

      • A_Teacher

        I’ve had Hep B. It took 6 months out of my life. I wish that I had been vaccinated.

      • Rachel

        I… I just want to hug you right now. I’m a nursing student who is passionate about this topic and I’ve heard some of the most ignorant things from patients and healthcare professionals alike. I’ve learned some of this from my nursing classes and clinicals as well as from research using the school’s library database to get peer-reviewed, evidenced-based papers. People like you give me hope. Thank you. :)

    • A_Teacher

      Science isn’t always right?

      Plainly you don’t understand the Scientific Method.

      The Scientific method is a self-correcting one. A good example is prior to Ernest Rutherford’s gold foil experiment it was believed that atoms did not have any ‘space’ i.e. there was substance spread through out them but when Rutherford detected particles passing straight through the gold foil but also some were heavily deflected and a smaller amount were reflected back at the source he realised that atoms had concentrated masses within them. We know these masses now as positively charged protons and neutrally charged neutrons.

      Science is always moving towards the truth without regard for personal prejudice or preference, are you?

  • Annah Hand

    You just made my day. Thank you for your well written piece… it was a little bit of sunshine on this cold, cold day, which obviously proves global warming is a myth, right? ;)

  • Cemetery Girl

    I vaccinated all four of my children with no regrets. I could not count on breast milk to protect my children. I physically do not produce milk, can’t make it even though I tried everything. Still, I feel that I have a responsibility to vaccinate my kids. I have a close friend who has a young child that required an organ transplant as a baby. To avoid rejection his immune system must be suppressed, which puts him at a greater danger for diseases which normally are avoided through vaccination. His health relies on other people not spreading disease such as whooping cough or measles. His resistance strictly relies on the healthy children he’s exposed to at school to be resistant through vaccination. Parents that avoid vaccines because of scary statements they read online or hear from a celebrity in an interview, their thought that disease like whooping cough isn’t “that dangerous”, it puts my friend’s child in danger.

    • Jordon Oldfather

      Breast milk is a good start but not the sane as vaccination h

    • Dissenter13a

      Vaccination might be great for the herd, but what of the morality of sacrificing a few for the greater good? If you knew that you were one of the ones to be sacrificed, would you be down with it?

      • Cheyenne

        Have you ever seen a child crippled for life from polio? Or permanently deaf from measles? Or born blind, deaf and retarded because her mother caught German measles during her first trimester?

        I didn’t think so.

      • Dissenter13a

        Have you ever seen anyone who couldn’t f’in walk, is in constant pain, and needs $100,000 worth of drugs a year just to survive, on account of a bad vaccine reaction?

        I look at one–every goddamned day. Don’t you dare get sanctimonious on me, Cheyenne. You don’t have the standing.

        If I were God, I would happily give you Chronic Inflammatory Demyelinating Polyneuritis for a week and tell you that a flu vaccine caused it–the Government’s own expert witness testified under oath that the flu vaccine can cause CIDP, Glassberg v. HHS, No. 07-303V (Ct. Cl. 2009), slip op. at 7–and see if you would be volunteer to accept that fate for the benefit of the herd.

        I didn’t think so.

        It is an axiom of science that your conclusions are only as good as your data, and compliance with the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) can only be described as abysmal. As former Food and Drug Administration Commissioner David Kessler confessed in the Journal of the American Medical Association, adverse reaction reports the FDA actually receives “probably represent only a fraction” of the actual number encountered by providers. David Kessler, Introducing MEDWatch, 293(21) JAMA 2765, 2765. He goes on to cite one study claiming that only “1% of serious [adverse] events” are ever reported, id., and it is easy to see why. The reporting burden is onerous, docs don’t get paid for their trouble, and they know that no one else does it, either. In all likelihood, the government deliberately set it up this way so that vaccines would appear far safer than they actually are.

        The government set up a fund to compensate those who suffer bad reactions, but if you ever try to avail yourself of it, you will find that the DoJ will fight you with a ferocity that would even embarrass MetLife. E.g., Compensating Vaccine Injuries: Are Reforms Needed?: Hearing Before the H. Subcom. on Criminal Justice, Drug Policy and Human Resources, Committee on Government Reform, 105th Cong. ___ (1999) (statement of Dr. Marcel Kinsbourne)

        I’m not Alex Jones-level anti-vaxx, but I submit that we need to realize that vaccines are 50-100 times more
        dangerous than the government is telling us because their own people are admitting it, and that we should use them more sparingly. Moreover, we need to find some way to fairly compensate those who have been injured, so that you are not playing Russian roulette when you roll up your sleeve. Capeesh?

        Manny is every bit as bad as Erick Ericsson: he
        is more faithful to his dogma than his wife. When are you Progs ever going to learn that Big Gub’mint is not your friend?

      • BiggerThanYou

        I can see you- a moron, who thinks they know more than the CDC and all of the scientists who study these things for a living!

      • Dissenter13a

        You are worse than the teaba666666ers! Every once in a while, they can actually be reasoned with.

        David Kessler headed the agency, you dolt! If he is telling us that 99 out of 100 incidents go unreported, all of the CDC statistics are FUBAR. Moreover, even the government’s experts have testified to that fact in court. But I guess that you were too busy with Native American Studies to bother with actual science classes.

      • BiggerThanYou

        Wow, One guy! that’s convincing, too bad us scientifically oriented Americans, think that data must be collected and studied before making statements like that. But you think he’s right, so why question it?
        Again, you get really upset when people question your dogma!

      • Dissenter13a

        Kessler ran the FDA; he is authorized to speak for the agency, and his statements are the agency’s.

        It is an admission against interest, which carries more weight than a statement of opinion. The first thing that a scientist (which you clearly are not) concerns himself or herself with is the integrity of the data. If the data is no good, you can’t draw valid conclusions from it.

      • BiggerThanYou

        You’re the one who thinks you know more than the entire medical community, yet you keep accusing me of not understanding science. I know that scientific theory is validated through consensus, or changed based on counter evidence!
        You’re the only one who is convinced in your certainty!
        I will be happy to change my opinion, if, and when, it is dis-proven, until then- You’re full of it!

      • Dissenter13a

        The medical community already KNOWS that there is a link between auto-immune disorders and vaccination, because that is part of their diagnostic procedure. I’ve seen the docs go through the protocol, and practicing neurologists will tell you that the VAERS numbers are worthless. VAERS reporting is burdensome and time-consuming, and docs don’t get paid for doing it, which is why they don’t bother.

        When a doctor says something is “safe,” it is a relative term. Just about every drug you take has a number of side effects, and some can be fatal. If the odds are 400 in 140,000,000 that a catastrophic reaction will occur, you would say that the drug is “safe,” but that is cold comfort for the 400 who drew the short straw.

        And let’s do the numbers. If only 500 people get CIDP in a given year, 20% of the incidents appear to be from flu shots, and one in a hundred incidents are reported in that given year, how many cases does VAERS think there are? Hard to build a statistical sample….

        I’m not anti-vaxx per se, but maintain that we should be judicious in their use, weighing the costs and benefits while being mindful of the sketchy nature of the data. I think it silly not to vaccinate for measles or polio, but only a relatively few high-risk patients (15 million) should get yearly flu shots, and Gardisil appears worthless.

      • Brian

        The vast majority of scientific evidence and peer-reviewed studies goes against what you say.

      • Mandy Gagliardi

        OMG your one anecdotal personal experience screams so much louder in my ear than all the years of scientific testing and the all of the doctors with many many more years of education and practical medical experience. You have completely changed my point of view! I will now only get my medical information from booger eating blonde celebrities, right leaning conspiracy websites, and tin foil hat wearing nut jobs! YEAH!!!

      • Dissenter13a

        Since this discussion is over a year old, and only rekindled by a teaba6666er-class zealot, I will only say this once and leave it at that.

        First, vaccines work in the same way diseases do — by stimulating the immune response. Some 60% of GBS cases are triggered by the Campylobacter bacterium. The dogmatic assertion that vaccination could not possibly cause an auto-immune disease (AD) thus defies biology and common sense, and in many cases, the only identifiable “trigger” is a flu shot. By a process of elimination, doctors conclude that vaccination can be a trigger for ADs. This IS the judgment of neurologists who are experts in the field — although admittedly, you are getting it second-hand from me.

        Second, when a doctor says that a drug is “safe,” s/he means that the probability of severe adverse side effects is low — NOT non-existent. What this means is that when you vaccinate, you are taking a risk that there will be an adverse effect. We have a (highly flawed) system for compensating those who draw the short straw. And yes, even government experts concede under oath that vaccinations do cause ADs. If the scientific consensus is as strong as you claim, why would they do such a blank-fool thing?

        Third, you are presumed to have had chemistry in HS or undergrad, and know that a dirty test tube will produce useless results. If the head of the FDA comes out publicly and says that about 1 in 100 adverse vaccination effects are reported to the government’s VAERS program, and neurologists tell you that they don’t bother submitting incidents to VAERS because they aren’t compensated for it and “no one else does it, either,” a peer-reviewed study relying on VAERS data is presumptively worthless.

        Fourth, catastrophic ADs like GBS and CIDP are extremely rare — with respect to CIDP, less than a thousand cases occur each year. Do the math! If 20% of CIDP cases are caused by a vaccination, and 1% of all incidents are reported to VAERS, how many incidents will VAERS report? One to two per year. You simply won’t get enough data to perform the kind of statistical analysis you need to prove a link to traditional tolerances. Ergo, the dogmatic assertion that vaccines don’t cause ADs because there is not a statistically significant connection is absurd on its face.

        Finally, I am not anti-vax; I merely say that we need to re-evaluate the risk-reward equation. Whereas rubella is extremely contagious, and vaccination is both relatively safe and effective, flu shots are less effective and the disease less severe, and Vaccine Court specialists tell me that flu shots trigger a lot of the really catastrophic reactions. Accordingly, I would counsel that we should only give flu shots to really high-risk patients. but think that not taking a measles vaccine is daft. Furthermore, we should strengthen the compensation provisions built into the vaccine program, so that when we roll up our arms, we aren’t playing Russian roulette. You can actually get polio from taking the polio vaccine, see http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/vaccinetable.html ,and if you do, we should make you whole, as “the herd” benefits from your taking that risk.

        You people are worse than AGW deniers, because they are fed a steady stream of Faux propaganda, and if they were taught “science” at all, it was in our domestic madrassahs like Liberty University (Jerry Falwell) and Regent (Pat Robertson). You should have enough of a hard science/math background to understand the issues here.

        The difference between the conservative mind and the liberal or libertarian one is that the latter is able to see shades of grey. There are subtle nuances here, and pretending that there aren’t makes you look uncomfortably like the drooling nutters on the other side you denounce with such fervor.

  • Thomas

    Please direct me to the “overwhelming evidence for evolution.” I can’t find it. I hear scientists talking about it, proclaiming it, telling cool stories of how it happened, proclaiming people stupid who don’t believe it, but evidence, especially scientific evidence, is conspicuously absent. What happened to “Question Everything?”

    • kellymbray

      Did you get lost from another thread?

  • FreeToThinkForMyself

    I detest your premise that Republicans are beguiled by the pseudo scientists while Dems should be bright enough to not buy into the anti-vaxx ers rhetoric. I am a Republican purely because I have a fundamental understanding of economics, which I could claim Dems are blissfully ignorant of if I were to be as arrogant as your premise leads me to believe you are. I do not like Fox News or MSNBC, I believe Evolution is fact based, i believe global warming is real, and that Obama was born in Hawaii. Your article is just one more biased attempt to widen the schism among people who have managed to forget that we should have one common goal as a nation.

    • BiggerThanYou

      So you’ll come together and agree to empower the rich ‘job creators’ and belittle the poor, because being born poor and without access to competitive education, in your opinion, is their fault.
      You’re on our side? Great…Now tell us how Obama care giving millions of children access to healthcare is a good thing… We’ll wait!

  • A_Teacher

    *Some* left leaning people are against vaccinations…*not* all. Anti-vaccination people are just plain wrong regardless of their political leaning.

    • NameNotGiven

      Way more people on the left support this anti science movement that the tiny number of people on the right advocating a view of 4,000 year old earth.

      And look at the anti GMO movement. there are no peer reviewed articles, none, asserting they have caused any harm whatsoever. The left is detectable more likely to be anti-vacine, and considerably more likely to subscribe to anti science views on GMO. Persons on the left are profoundly more likely to believe gun murder and gun crime is up or the same — when it is half of levels 20 years ago

  • Dissenter13a

    If there were a just God, Manny, you would wake up one morning being unable to walk as a result of a “safe” vaccination. And then, you would have to fight with the Department of Injustice over reasonable compensation, knowing that they will fight you tooth-and-nail over every dollar.

    There is a reason why we have a Vaccine Court: Vaccines are so dangerous that none of the pharmaceutical companies would make them if they were not insulated against liability.

  • Griffin Mahon

    I don’t like to see good articles like this dedicated to dissecting issues along Republican/Democrat lines. Given the fact that this meme seems to persist regardless of party, why examine it as such? The real problem here is skepticism toward, inability to digest, or willingness to ignore, science and facts — which I think is an American phenomenon — regardless of whether it leads to homophobia, the anti-vaccine movement, or endorsement of ridiculous conspiracy theories. The real “progressive” opinion is the one that offers critical analysis of the world sans the U.S. political spectrum that has been the norm.

  • SMW

    Vaccines are full of poisons. You can read it right on the label, I’ve read the labels while sitting in the doctors office, and there are literally, poisonous, toxic chemicals in many of our vaccines. Do I vaccinate? HELL YES! Do I want the ingredients changed in vaccines? Also a hell yes. The chemicals in vaccines have been proven in many courts of law that some children are too sensitive to these toxic chemicals and it damages their heath. It isn’t fiction, or mass hysteria, it is proven fact. But not vaccinating is truly idiotic. That is not the solution. The solution is making vaccines less toxic, just based on the ingredient labels alone. People eat organic foods like crazy, then go and stick chemicals found in ice melting salts and embalming agents into their babies. It needs to be talked about, not called an “Anti Vax” movement. Mothers intuition is the reason for the “anti Vax” movement. And posts like this make it perfectly ok for Big Pharm to continue to put poisons in our population.

  • Kmeares

    Anti Vaxxers are far worse then the Creastionist nuts. Not to many people have died because Mom believed in Creation over evolution. On the other hand the US IS seeing a resurgence in Measles, several Middle Eastern countires are experiencing outbreaks of Polio and the flu has killed several people in the US already this year. Vaccines save lives. Believing superstitious nonsense about them causing autism KILLS PEOPLE. And listen you quacks you can babble about how we SANE people shouldn’t worry about you ENDANGERING your children all you want but your WRONG and I’ll explain why in terms so simple even Jenny McCarthy could understand it.

    Its called herd immunity. Lets say that you have a child we’ll call them V (for Victim) that you’ve decided you’d rather see die then risk an entirely imaginary chance of autism. Now you take little V to Europe where vaccinations aren’t always as universal and V catches Measles. Now V is lucky she’s old enough to survive it (but maybe gets some nasty side effects) but since poor little V is sick her parents we’ll call them the IDIOTS take her to the hospital because they imagine they care about their child. Now the IDIOTS have just endangered every single child under the age of 12 months (in other words to young to be vaccinated) and every single person who is immuno compromised (recepiants of organ transplants for example) they come in contact with.

    Look if you want to believe in your stupid irrational nonsense go start a little cult out in the desert. You can all listen to Saint McCarthy rant and rave like the lunatic the rest of us know she is. Just keep the children you don’t care about the hell away from the rational part of the population.

  • Jon

    If your kids are vaccinated and the vaccines do what they are supposed to do. Why are you so worried about my unvaccinated kids?

    • Cheyenne

      You should be worried about your unvaccinated kids if you’ve ever seen the damage the diseases they were invented to prevent can do.

    • BiggerThanYou

      Because people, other than yourself, know that not all people have can be vaccinated and that children have to wait for certain vaccinations. Then there are the elderly who’s vaccinations may have worn off, or who may have compromised immune systems, despite their vaccinations.Then there’s this thing called heard immunity!

      I’m glad you’re asking questions, I just hope you have the capacity to learn from the answers

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  • BiggerThanYou

    Now if we could just vaccinate children against retardation, we wouldn’t need to publish articles like this one!

  • Dutty Ret

    The problems with these diseases seem to be hitting the south waaayyy more than the north. Protect the borders and there wouldn’t be such an issue.

  • GenerallyConfused

    I would like to point out that it is not a left/right thing – please stop saying it is such. It is spread across both political spectrums and is NOT political – it’s someone who thinks they know better than a person that has spent 8+ years in school to learn of the human body, then another 3-5 years learning MORE about the human body.

    Thinking you know better than a doctor or a scientist when it comes to their chosen specialization is insanity.

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