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The Nevada Shooting Shows the Dangers of the Anti-Government “Bundy Movement”

cliven-bundy-1By now it’s no secret that the two Nevada shooters were far-right radicals with ties to the infamous Cliven Bundy standoff back in April.  And while I normally would say that we can’t judge a whole group of people based off the monstrous actions of a few, I don’t exactly feel that way in this instance.

These two shooters had clear anti-government sentiments and purposely targeted police officers.

Is that really so different from those who gathered at the Bundy ranch, almost giddy about a possible armed showdown with federal agents?  These same people were planning to use women as “human shields” against federal agents.

Or what about the armed Bundy supporters who set up checkpoints along Nevada highways, trying to ensure federal agents didn’t come near Bundy’s ranch?

Then there’s the hooded gunmen in Utah who threatened the lives of federal agents who were simply out driving around on duty on that day.

For a while now, many of these anti-government radicals have seemingly been itching for an excuse to “rise up” against any form of government possible.  Not only that, but up until Cliven Bundy was caught on video going off on a racist rant, Fox News had been essentially propping him and his supporters up as “conservative heroes.”

But it didn’t take long for the ugly parts of these anti-government radicals to surface.  After all, is it really that surprising to have seen Bundy’s racist rant, then hear that these two Nevada shooters (who were Bundy supporters) were also white supremacists?  It’s clear that for many of these anti-government radical conservatives, racism is prevalent.

Granted there was never bloodshed between Bundy’s supporters and armed federal agents.  But many of those who showed up to support Nevada’s welfare rancher were preparing for just such a firefight.

So when conservatives make the argument that guns aren’t the problem, it’s mental illness that’s the problem, is it really that far-fetched for someone like myself to see radicals who believe in armed rebellions against our government as being “too mentally ill” to own guns?

Because that’s exactly who these Nevada shooters were.  However, just a few weeks ago they were proud, patriotic Americans supporting Cliven Bundy against the big bad federal government by way of their Second Amendment rights.  Now a few weeks later they’re murderers who killed two police officers and another innocent bystander.

Am I saying all Cliven Bundy supporters are capable of such a heinous act?  Of course not.  What I am saying though is that these radical anti-government movements are becoming more common and they’re empowering crazy people to believe that such disgusting acts are warranted.

And you can mark my words, if Fox News and the conservative media continues to perpetuate these radical anti-government lunatics as “patriots” or “heroes” (until they go off on racist rants or murder three people) we’re going to see more shootings such as the one we just saw in Nevada.  Because they’re actually convincing these people that their lives are worth sacrificing for the “greater good” of the anti-government movement and the “second revolution” many of them believe is coming.


About Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is from the Dallas-Fort Worth area and has a degree in Political Science. He is a co-founder of Forward Progressives, and author of the popular Right Off A Cliff column. He is also the founder of the Right Off A Cliff facebook page, on which he routinely voices his opinions and stirs the pot for the Progressive movement. Follow Allen on Twitter as well, @Allen_Clifton.

  • Lee

    To be fair, Jerad Miller was clearly psychotic to begin with. He was in legal trouble since his arrest for selling cannabis. Then, he had a chronic pain issue (wisdom teeth) which went un-healed. Dealing with chronic pain, as many people can relate, is hard on a person and there is a strong chance he turned to the black market for other solutions to his chronic pain. He probably started taking something much stronger like morphine or oxycodone. Which, conveniently, kick-started his paranoia and psychosis. Follow the baby steps along to the bloody conclusion. Then, he was forbidden from owning a firearm due to his felony conviction. The next thing you know, boom, he’s at Bundy’s ranch raving about “freedom” (not being able to own his gun) and a few short weeks later, involved in a mass shooting. It was a “revolution” or whatever. Does that sound like something coming from a sane person? Of course not.

    This is clearly a mentally unbalanced person that slipped through the cracks. His psychosis went un-diagnosed, and then was amplified into a major league explosion that took many lives. Sadly, becoming cliché in the USA.

    We need to become more advanced in our identification of the traits that lead to these mass shootings, instead of reacting in a knee-jerk hysteria and pretending we are shocked when this happens weekly. Like we’ve never seen this horror film before! Come on. Let’s dig deeper instead of pointing fingers.

    • aspromised

      Yes, i know what chronic pain can do to a person, but how do you explain her? She had no such “excuses”. Her GRANDMOTHER gave her gun and survivalist books for Christmas! She was born and bred with this mindset. She is the one who “finished them off”, too.

      • Bine646

        I received homesteading n survival books for xmas. Also have a few guns- should i be worried im going to turn extreme too? I mean this seems to be the formula right?

        My guns were handed down from my GRANDFATHER!

      • SkippingDog

        It depends. Are you planning to engage in armed revolt against the government?

      • Bine646

        Like our founding fathers?

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        ahem–
        proper English would be:
        ” as our founding fathers did” not “like our founding fathers”
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        would that be the same founding fathers who decried equality for all americans and eschewed religion in our government?

      • Bine646

        You have resorted to following me to correct english on a message board when you post the most horrific english i have ever witnessed- classsic

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        following you? how bovaristic can U be?
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
        NOTE: those who claim such bavardage do hope to be followed as they ( you in this case) are acutely aware of their lack of anyone wanting anything 2 do with you
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        I notice my edification of what I do/where I do it (et hoc genus omne) was a bit too much for your pedestrian self to assimilate
        seems U are really having a wonderful life there my coelacanth!!

      • Bine646

        Keep proving how boring your life is

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        yep– financial freedom ( NOTE: NOT wealthy; but passive residual income substantially higher than my microscopic bills) and living 15o yds from atlantic ocean in pompano beach is quite boring in the summer as we have no waves; thus skin diving is the option.
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        hows YOUR land locked white trash area treating ya? lotsa churches?

      • Bine646

        In colorado? The rockies? You should travel more before you die gpa, take advantage of your senior discount

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        (a) why would I want to (again) go to Colorado? I do not snow ski and the climate sucks; no ocean and im not a broncos fan
        (b) my 6day old avatar photo shows exactly how OLD and infirm I look/am
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        UUUU were sayin’ sumpin’?

      • Bine646

        300 days of sunshine n you not being athletic enough to ski makes it right for me. Family is in san diego so i can surf when i visit 3-4 times a yr. Living the dream really

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        anytime your puny ass wants to “athletic” me let me know. we can start with basketball ” gian keys” crybaby motif: I give U 12 points–up to 25; we play “3s” and “2s” and U tell me which hand I have to shoot exclusively with. left or right- I give U that choice. Then we can saunter into the weight room for (a) wide grip pullups,,,,(b) bench press ( c) powerclean and jerks (d) parallel squats
        …………………… if U survive that and I don’t die laughing we can perhaps try archery or free dive (depth and time) in this fabulous WARM ocean…..
        not enough? I suspect U have joined gian “homunculus” keys in power yachting and squash

      • Bine646

        Ill let my “kneeegrosss” know- you guys talk the same- very simple, very ignorant

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        it is “kneeeegroEs”; not ”kneeegross”
        and——- it sounds like ( reads like actually) U have slithered away from any/all mano-a-mano challenge!!
        the audience is applauding again

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        OH: excuse my “faux pas” here—
        I am quite certain the lexiphanic words I populate your infantile rants with must bore U to know U have to use GOOGLE ( et al) to stay on top of the conversation
        **********************************************************
        cry back soon!

      • Bine646

        Such a sophisticated choice of words until you become to lazy to spell “you” and rather put “u”- youre a clown

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        UUUUUUU4GOT2PUT a ‘ in between U and RE
        ##########################################
        UUUUUU were sayin’ sumpin’?

      • Bine646

        Yawnnnnnn noppeee, look at the time

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        aww…………… u faw’ down and go BOOM again?
        love catching U at such simplicity and error
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        regressive white trash traits– U should run for (tea party) office,,,,,if U had any money

      • Bine646

        Your daughter got a 4.065 bahahahaha you are such a retard its amazing hahahahahahaha

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        4,065
        read ‘em and weep

      • Bine646

        Its amazing how you keep going, most would stop when they realize they look like an idiot, you keep going….like an idiot

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        please look it up online; dont let stooooopid ol’ me show up–
        let me make it easy: google ” 4.5 ” gpa
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        U do– u DO know how 2 use GOOGLE; donnnn’cha?

      • Bine646

        Gone to 6 yrs of school, i will tell you one more time that gpas stop at 4.0. Thats the higest you can get. Im sorry

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        ?? bachelors???
        and U misspell HIG(h)est??
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        allow me to “help”
        if ( if) U take classes which are “honors” or “AP” and U get an A in those classes u get 5 ( five) credits instead of 4
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        do I really need to do THAT math for you?????
        thy bumbling here is perched upon mt everest

      • Bine646

        HAHAHAHAHAHA WAIT WAIT- are you beinh serious. Holyyyyyyyu crap

        You could take 15 classes a semester, still on a 4.0 scale. No wonder you flip burgers at a strip club- you are a moron

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        the proletariat infused ‘learning” at your college has ( a) failed in TEEEECHING you how to spell such luminary words as “beinh” (b) obfuscated the truth regarding higher rewarding of upper echelon classes to those with ‘upper’ IQ’s
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        do write back soon,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, you are akin to republican/ regressive socio-political cretins: providing quotidian nugatorial edicts (Q.V.) for ” we the people” to feel the weight of gravity pulling us earthward as we go limp from levity by our laughter

      • Bine646

        The guys who is confusing credit hours w grade point averages is calling me what? A bridge Victor- go find a high one

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        wrong answer
        U really insist upon showering us with thy oligophrenialty!!!
        credit hours??????????

      • Bine646

        Guy flips burgers at a strip club who thinks you can score higher than an A (4.0) is talking about mental retardation? Bridge victor, go fly

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        I don’t “think” a 5.0 gpa is available
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        its common knowledge: however “common” is not within thy small fingered grasp
        burgers? hellllllll yes!!!
        best profit margin remains fried foods for drunks
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        my triple peppercorn brandy bordelaise ” au poivre” sauce adorns my chateaubriand tenderloin.
        ………..of which U ( a) cannot pronounce ( b) have never heard of/eaten (c) will never be able to afford
        will that be swiss or cheddar? I haven’t got all day; heat play san Antonio later!!

      • Bine646

        Colleges and Universities use the unweighed grading scale of 4.0. Weighed scores do not come into play. I am sorry to break it to you, you are a clown

      • Bine646

        Youre the a$$ clown using a high school scale to determine class rank based on the difficulty of classes taken. Not the gpa scale used by colleges- its incredible you keep going

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        I really wonder if U know how idiotic U look!
        LOOK IT UP!!!!

      • Bine646

        Your sliz daughter go to MIT? Na I didn’t think so, googled it- Miami uses a 4.0 gpa scale, MIT converts to a 4.0 for students after 1970.
        So how did your daughter graduate Miami with a 4.065 gpa when its only out of 4.0? Ill wait, this keeps getting better.
        Daughter goes to college, daughter cant afford life after, daughter must show dad her bra size so he can continue to flip burgers to support her-classssic

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        I wonder if U realize how idiotic U look
        most colleges DO use a 4.o “limit”
        —————————————————
        I named 3 in an earlier post to you ( uggh) which do NOT limit it at 4.o
        LOOK IT UP—-
        (hint: start with the legendary M.I.T. — lemme’ know how DAT fits ya’)
        look up a site called education . blurtit . com /
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        they claim a 6 is possible; which I also mentioned in prior posts
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        I gotta go as its a SQUAT day at gym; amd very very stuck in “L’Ennui” trying to educate your regressive blockheaded crybvaby white trash self
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        look things up b4 U cry; my computer doesn’t do well with the lachrymosity of imbeciles such as thee

      • Bine646

        Is Miami one of them? The university webpage says no. So how does your daughter graduate w a 4.065 when miami grades on a 4.0 scale? Keep going moron, lets hear it

      • Bine646

        Google- Colleges report GPA (grade point average) on a 4.0 scale. The top grade is an A, which equals 4.0.

        Sorry Buddy

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        U didn’t google 4.5 GPA
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        hows gian keys flat mom doing? U smallish losers with poor genes really do hate life!!

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        hey wait-a-minute!!!
        gabriella ONLY got a 4.065???? an I f*cking paid nearly 40K for that when a potential 5.0 can be done??
        I want my car back

      • Bine646

        What arent you grasping here- a 4.0=A. You cannot get higher than that- this is elementary, not rocket science

        If i was u id jump off a bridge bc youre a waste of oxygen n life

      • Bine646

        Age of 23 I bought a harley that cost 23,000- bought it cash…your daughter went to miami, shes a slut. She lovesssss harleys

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        nope—- she loves the joke: ” whats the diff between a HARLEY and a HOOVER”?
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        the position of the dirtbag
        she drives a 2012 audi a4 20T
        ……………. she wanted a Camaro and I said no

      • Bine646

        wait wait wait- she went to college and got a degree and expects daddy to buy her a car? bahahahahhahahahahahaha

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        its in my name and under MY insurance
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        U really don’t know anything about finances do ya???
        I preferred her to put down 60% on her condo …… much better investment than a silly import

      • Bine646

        sureeeeeeeee, college degrees allow you to afford condos and cars- why you spend the money- clownnnnnnnnnn, go flip a burger

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        ,,,,,,,,,,wrong again– college “paper” offers the recipient the ability to go out and TRY to get a higher paying job which may allow the purchase of autos and domiciles
        your inability to write logically imbues the truth: U have no college ‘paper’ despite thy jejune rant attempting to prove ( on a thread!!) otherwise

      • Bine646

        Sounds like your daughter shouldnt of choose a bullshiz major then hahahaha. Shes an idiot aswll, like her father

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        yeah,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,U probably right!
        after all; at her age of 25 she already has a business which netted her 67K last yr; and she has already paid (in full) the money I laid out for all over her equipment/furnishings/ lease to me and is fully self sufficient. sounds to me she made some really crappy choices business-wise; eh? now im involved with teaching her the nuances of stocks/options/ futures trading.
        poor bine,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, still crying

      • Raul Miller Miller

        This is easily the dumbest discussion ever

      • Bine646

        Thanks for adding to it

      • SkippingDog

        They were only “Founding Fathers” after they won, which would have been impossible without direct military assistance from France. The success of the endeavor is the distinguishing feature that separates founding patriots from forgotten traitors.

      • Bine646

        Americaaaaaa

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        no one is calling U a gun nut–
        we are calling U a spinner

      • Bine646

        Only spinner is your daughter when shes on my d

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        wow!!
        sexual innuendos from a small dicked “man”
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        she is 5’7 128 with D cup:
        too tall– and big where it counts– to be a spinner
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        bine rules!!!

      • Bine646

        Every girl can spin vic, esp since shes a sliz. Its a talent. You know ur daughters bra size- not creepy at all

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        if I didn’t know everything about my daughter— and all women in my life–
        ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, that would be creepy.
        ———————————————————————
        hope U are enjoying my new photo from 4 days ago: gotta luv the grotesqueness of my anatomy. especially the flowing uncolored hair perched atop that thelphthoric body!!
        ———————————————————————–
        hows your internet porn-watching “coming” along?
        gratis yet? :))

      • Bine646

        Its called privacy ya creep

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        hey nefling: shes an adult and loves when I show her off as my kid. she also asked that I place her photo up here occasionally but I said ” get your won profile”
        ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, privacy? when consenting adults consent its not “private” anymore———– but I do promise I will tell her of your “galahad” defending of her here
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        keep crying

      • Bine646

        Sounds are retarded as her father- must be in your genes

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        graduated UMIAMI with a’s
        ………….now has her own photography studio and her own home ( 75% paid off already)
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        and a pet ‘jack russell’!!!

      • Bine646

        A’s in college- you get GPA’s in college there dad- stop searching her underwear drawer for bra sizes n pay attention to what matters hahah- keep proving how much of a clown you are

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        hey crybaby,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, she got A’s in college
        on individual exams ETC
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        she got a 4.065 (avg) from NOVA in davie FL which placed her in the top 3% of admissions in her entry year
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        care to show your superior (???) comprehension again?

      • Bine646

        HAHAHAHAHAHAHA well the highest possible is a 4.0 you idiotttttttt, that made me laugh pretty hard. Thanks for making my day

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        not when U take college entry advanced courses as a junior— it is called an HONORS course : at least here in civilized states with people who have and spend MONEY on EDUUUUUUCAY-SHUN

        theoretically someone can get a 6.o but I have never seen that
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        welcome to the expensive schooling in southeast FL

      • Bine646

        You are an absolute retard- the grading scale ends at 4.0. This is a national grading scale, no it does not go to 6.0- this isn’t AOL you freaking clown. You are a joke, not this is getting embarrassing- its apparent you didn’t go to college and weren’t very good in school

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        u just showed that U indeed have never been to college

      • Bine646

        Have my BS in Biology and Masters in Micro, I work at the University- what were you saying again Victor- bc you just made yourself look absolutely stupid. We are still laughing at you, maybe you should just stop and go that way

        “my daughter got a 4.065 avg gpa in college bc she took college credits in highschool” BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

      • DavidD

        In the future why don’t you two take your private weinie measuring contest some where else.Please have some consideration for the rest of us and not clog up the comments.

      • Bine646

        Freedom of speech bro- not my fault this clown follows me around making himself look stupid

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        by responding to and eviscerating his lachrymose infantile rants I am ” following” him??? he does overinflate his nugatory self importance—
        weenie measure? Im still awaiting his accepting of my athletic / physical challenge ala “small man” giam keys

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        was erroneous: it is NOT possible to get a 6.0
        a 5.0 is tops; at least in REAL colleges such as UM and TULANE and BRANDEIS
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        gpa’s are calculated and use an ongoing sliding average scale when factoring in “a’s” and “b’s” ETC
        we who have actually paid to get gpas and paid for kids gpas know this
        …… UUUU were sayin’ sumpin’???

      • Bine646

        5.0 is not an option- i have no idea where you are pulling this from but you are 100% wrong and continue to look like an idiot. However at your age you are most likely use to it

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        already explained how to get a 5
        YOU— as an archetypal micropenile regressive white trash NO MONEY pissboy is showing– ignores easy2find facts!! my age? I look better at this age than U do at your age. years of doing things correctly an pretty good genetics have insured me sexual and aesthetic successes
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        write back again; broke school boy!! ( 6 yrs!!!!)

      • Bine646

        Broke school boy? I graduated w a degree where i dont have to show my daddy my bra size to get a car. Your obviously a retard who cannot grasp a simple grading scale- its ridiculous

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        it must scare U to simply look online to answer this–
        again: she ( thru my beseeching VIA invaluable info which I have adhered to in ” rich dad/poor dad) has acquiesced to not getting “republican” screwed by buying a car w/ financing ( pay more for what goes down in value) and instead in around 82% paid off on her 2200 sq ft condo in Hollywood hills.
        im a retard? damned successful one– especially with big chested women all of my life
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        I love watching socially inept slubberdegullions such as U fail over&over&over with chics
        you are broke– allow me to describe ” broke”
        (a) your income is less than your bills
        (b) your net worth is less than what U need to be financially independent at your age( and I know U do NOT know that financial/chronological formula)
        (c) u live in a land locked area. people of means may HAVE a home ( or 2 ) in scumbag land locked areas; but ALWAYS own a home -paid for– in an area of superior climate and oceanic ( or at LEAST) waterfront landmass
        *********************************************************
        now– about your disappearing RANt about attempting to “play” me at anything athletic? what TRUE measure shall we begin with? 4square? darts?

      • DavidD

        She was attracted to a criminal and with him lived as one.She rode with an outlaw and she died with him.The fact she liked guns and survialist books is besides the point.She wanted those things as a means to an end.
        Most people who own weapons and have an intrest in survivalism are not criminals.She was a criminal and caused a lot of grief and destruction to innocent people.
        I have lived most of my life in the rural South.I have weapons for self defense and to protect my animals.I don’t particularily like them but they are a tool for my survival.
        I garden and have built my own structures.Does this make me a survivalist or just a guy trying to get by ?I grew up around this lifestyle and it’s normal for me.
        Context and attitude need to be considered when looking at a situation.

    • richard

      I’ve heard the same rhetoric from other right wing extremists and it is impossible to make a distinction between Jared Miller’s rants and the rants of Alex Jones and other right wing extremists and white supremacists. Do all of them have chronic pain? Are all of them psychotic? Are all of them prescription drug addicts? No, the new right wing paramilitary extremists are now a societal aberration. They exist without prosecution because of the liberties guaranteed to them by a United States Government that, ironically, they profess to hate and want to overthrow.

      • Bine646

        I wonder if black gang members are suffering from chronic pain? All i hear on the radio (hiphop station) is about toting guns n murder. All gang members promote is killing and violence.

        I mean the homicide rate in Chicago or chiraq as they call it now is directly related to right white extremists?

      • richard

        Black on black violence is just as appalling the Miller’s murder of two policemen. The huge difference is that black gang members in Chicago are not organizing nationwide to take over the United States government, and to their credit, they have the good taste and civility not to parade around Chilis with assault rifles scaring kids and families.

      • Bine646

        Gangs in chicago use handguns not assault weapons to and i quote “prove a point to the politicians.”

        Gangs in chicago are tied to national gangs such as the the bloods, crips and mexican cartels. They shoot children in parks, teens on the streets and innocents in their homes as well as police officers. Maybe they arent trying to “take over the govt” but they certainly taken over many neighborhoods and cities throughout the united states. Why isnt this national news day in and day out?

      • Raul Miller Miller

        Amen to that

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        bine is here– spinning!!!!!!!!!!

      • Bine646

        You ever notice noone comments on your posts, you have to reply to them- kinda like a dog who wants to play, gets annoying after awhile. Are you a dog victor?

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        I like that! catch U spinning: and U cry!
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        poor bine; languishing and watching his white trash regressives fold up
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        don’t 4get to blame blacks for being black

      • Bine646

        What time do you start cooking at the strip club?

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        my slaves work: im usually tues/wed / thurs but tonight ( after gym and basketball) im heading up to “MONROES” in WPB to ‘pitch’ acquiring their kitchen. Already have 2; MONROES is a bit far ( 33 miles) but runs a sweet club with lotsa employees ( they beeeee 85% of my money over the past 2 decades) and I just get them going –after acquisition of course– and then stock them with well paid ( cash and tips) cooks. I bring the provisions once-a-week; pay the ‘slaves’ and take the money home and count it!
        —————————————————————– here is an even better part! just acquired my “L.L.C.” in florida for ” TOP #10 PRODUCTIONS” which will be sponsoring antique cars shows ( and bike shows) in dade/broward and palm beach counties; I wont bore U with how much these venues make as im certain money isn’t readily available in your life’s dialogue: but trust me— a bunch of Viagra driven old white guys with pristine classic cars with no where to go ( ‘cept shows) do shell out the bread to ‘show’ off their vast array of autos. We were involved with “JUMPIN JACK ” promotions; hes got physical problems (as well as onsetting alzheimers) so I decided a nice TAXABLE source of income will help keep IRS from wanting to peek (!!) at my cash-ola business with the exploitive and very profitable strip club venues. NOTE: strip clubs usually do 1 or 2 shows a year; churches and shopping malls as well as firefighters and police also pay for our ‘services’
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        will U have cheddar or swiss with your burger?

      • Raul Miller Miller

        Stop the B.S, when people have $$$ they have no need to brag about it

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        not bragging ( as im NOT wealthy; just well off),,,,,the cretin I am admonishing attempts aspersion about what I do- hence I edify him.
        care to try again?

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        please note: not only does lachrymose BINE still listen to “radio” but he LISTENS to urban “music”????
        poor bine– evidently cannot afford to buy an ipod and is not mentally able to even burn his own discs of “music” he likes–
        tommy timecard/larry lunchbucket BINE has more problems that even DR Phil can unearth

      • Bine646

        Yawnnnnn

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        ran out of infantile verbosity again??/
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        poor bine,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, whacked again

      • Bine646

        You just bore me, too immature

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        evidenced by your continual replies?
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        ya didn’t answer me!! will it be swiss or cheddar on ya’ burger?

      • Bine646

        Flippin burgers at 65, what a life you live

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        im 65????
        NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO—–!! don’t tell the kneeegroes I outplay on the courts in hoops!!
        ( perhaps U meant 6’5,,,,,,,,,,,,,, im flattered but must be truthful: im a hair under 6’3)
        >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
        UUUUUU were (were) sayin’ sumpin’??

      • Raul Miller Miller

        Ok, enough with the “bored” lingo, I’ve seen this same response from you on far too many blogs today. Get a new line please, you’re “boring”

      • Bine646

        Ive been on one blog today

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        I suspect he means over a period of time,,,,,,,,but as we know U crybaby regressives cherrypick ” info” for ur own usage,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, we are NOT surprised
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        the translation for micropenile imbeciles who use ” yawn” ( Q.V.) is :
        I cannot keep up/ im getting my ass kicked here

    • DavidD

      I had chronic kidney stones last year .At one point the VA said they couldn’t do anything for me and sent me home with a big script of pain pills.
      Later I was at the emergency room so much the local hospital thought I was going to die and shamed the VA in treating me.
      My point is this ,We all go through all sorts of trouble in life but the vast majority of us don’t think that gives us the right to make other people suffer.We believe in the rule of law and we know life is not always great so we don’t break faith with other people and soldier on.
      From what I’ve read and my expierance in working institutions this guy’s main problem was that he was a stone cold criminal.
      The fact that he was enthralled by another criminal like Bundy is no mystery.They shared the same worldview that it’s ok to take what you want and do as you want regardless of the people around you.
      If you enshrine this belief as a political philosophy then you end up at a trial like Nuremburg or more likely your associates take you out for their own self advantage.
      Let’s point fingers and hold these people responsible for their words and their actions.This guy was throwed off in the end but he must bear the responsibility for that.He knew what he was doing was wrong but he did it anyway.

  • Veritas vos Liberabit

    Here is this hypothetical scenario: Conservative/Republicans retain the House in November(very realistic at this time). They also regain the Senate(not so realistic, but not impossible at this time). Then in 2016, they regain the White House(again, not so realistic, but also not impossible). Now the question: Would these “mujahadeens” wannabes still consider themselves an “anti-government” movement?

    • richard

      I think they would stand down en masse as soon as our African-American President left office. It seems that melanin cause paranoid ideations of violence in white Tea Party members.

  • rossbro

    Let’s get the idiots who threaten others in jail, where they belong.