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Libertarian Radio Host Defends Nevada Shooters, Says Killing Cops Isn’t Murder

kokeshMost people who follow me already know that I’m not exactly the biggest fan of the Libertarian party.  Not that I loathe all Libertarians (I am friends with a couple), but generally it’s safe to say that if I met 100 random Libertarians, I would probably be unable to stand at least 90 of them.

Though I am always willing to give someone a chance, I just find me and Libertarians don’t always mesh.  I think it’s this belief they seem to have that their ideology is the only one for true salvation – yet I always joke that if I were to ask 10 Libertarians to define what it is to be a Libertarian, I’d probably get 10 different definitions.

Well after reading about the Libertarian who defended the actions of the two Las Vegas shooters who killed three people, two of whom were cops, my opinion about Libertarians isn’t likely to change anytime soon.

It’s been said that the two shooters might have been inspired by the radical gun rants by Adam Kokesh.

Kokesh insisted that the two shooters essentially weren’t murderers because they were driven to do what they did because the “authority has become a homicidal institution against freedom.”

He also said that the killing of the two police officers wasn’t “murder” because cops are likely to kill people.

“Let’s say someone is going around stabbing people, like just stabbing people,” Kokesh said. “It’s not murder to kill someone in that situation. And has been pointed out about the Vegas shooting, when you have police officers that are going around and doing violent things all day long, and then they take a break for lunch, well, it doesn’t mean all of the sudden they’re innocent or they’re being peaceful because they’re taking a break from all of their other anti-freedom, rights-violating violence.”

Basically by that pathetic “logic” he justifies these murders by assuming that these two cops had either unjustly killed or would have eventually.

Wait, aren’t Libertarians all about the Constitution?  Doesn’t our Constitution have something in it about a justice system?  You know, the whole “innocent until proven guilty” thing.

But he didn’t stop there.

“Think of how many lives might have been saved by this incident. How many people would these cops have killed had they not been killed?” he asked. “We can only hope that some of the officers in America are listening, if you care about your own safety, to understand that you are hurting people, and you can only push them so far before they hit a breaking point.”

There really aren’t words to describe the disdain I have for this person.  I put him roughly in the same category that I do members of the Westboro Baptist Church.  Just true bottom-feeding scum of human existence.

Because that’s exactly what he is.


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Allen Clifton is from the Dallas-Fort Worth area and has a degree in Political Science. He is a co-founder of Forward Progressives, author of the popular Right Off A Cliff column, and an unapologetic Hillary Clinton supporter. He is also the founder of the Right Off A Cliff facebook page, on which he routinely voices his opinions and stirs the pot for the Progressive movement. Follow Allen on Twitter as well, @Allen_Clifton.

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  • Stephen Polasky

    If this guy isn’t imediately thrown off the air and never hired again by another media outlet, then we have reached a dangerous turning point in this country where there are no consequences for avocating murder.

    • Pipercat

      Mr. Kokesh was convicted of two felonies involving firearms and the possession of illegal substances yesterday, in Virginia. I think he has bigger issues to deal with right now. The sentencing will occur in September.

    • http://www.kirbyharris.com Kirby Whosoever Harris

      He is NOT on the air, he is an independent broadcaster.

  • John Spriggs

    I don’t agree with killing cops but they break the law every day and are free to do as they want .cops and elected officials need to follow the same laws that we the people have to . I swore to defend the constitution and they shit on it every day so we need to hold everyone to the same laws period.

    • modera8

      Generalize much, John? They let you near weapons? Yipes. You know, some guys in the military break the law and feel free to do what they want. Is it ok to just start shooting at them?

    • Retrodude

      Correction- SOME cops do those things. You are dangerously lumping all cops in together. There are some decent, amazing cops out there, you chump.

      • John Spriggs

        They all break the law …they speed they park illegal they knock people around they all do those things plus they shoot unarmed people but that’s OK? I was a cop until I found out its not about protecting people but controlling them so I quit an went to the fire department.

      • Lee

        Paint with a broad brush much? Whoa.

      • Retrodude

        NO, they don’t all break the law. There are just as many good, decent, honest, caring cops out there as there are corrupt ones. Let me guess- are all black people criminals and all gay people perverts too?

      • Michael Pulskamp

        John, please stay the hell away from my house! I have a gas water heater and I really don’t want you to kick in my door to put out the pilot light… Simpleton. I’m sure glad you “quit” being a cop.

    • Lee

      Ahh, all cops “shit on it” everyday. Every single one of them!

      What hysterical nonsense. Stupefyingly ignorant.

  • worrierking

    Bullshit. Most cops never even draw their guns, few every fire them. I am sick to death of these anti-government types. We have reached the point where murderers are being defended. 13 years ago we watched at two buildings in Ny fell with hundreds of cops and fire personnel inside. America mourned for these brave men and women. We have gone from that point to this. I am absolutely repulsed by many Americans today.

    • rossbro

      Agreed ! Most policemen never shoot anyone. We brothers teased another Cop brother ‘ If he had his bullet’? Like Barney Fife.

  • FD Brian

    so by this guys logic the killers shouldn’t have killed themselves and used “Stand Your Ground” as a defense.

  • Evil Genius

    At some point facts and common sense have been replaced by paranoia and hyperbole amongst the conservative movement in this country. Personally, I think it coincides with the invention of the Tea Party and their baseless “Obama is a Muslim-loving traitor” rhetoric that started before he even took office. It’s truly frightening the sheer number of people in this country who have taken leave of their senses in favor of devouring and regurgitating what can only be called propaganda promulgated by the likes of Fox News and conservative talk radio.

    • Matthew Reece

      Anarcho-capitalists are not conservatives. In fact, conservatives and progressives have far more in common with each other than either of them do with anarcho-capitalists.

      • lindylou

        Great point, worthy of more discussion. There really is NO similarity between a “conservative” and a sociopath.

      • Matthew Reece

        Anarcho-capitalists are not sociopaths. In fact, they may be the only people who are not sociopathic to some degree, as they are the only people who do not support the state or anything else that functions by initiatory force, such as the workers’ councils of anarcho-communism.

      • Colleen Conway

        You’re missing my point. The republican party encourages the crazy fringe, repeats their talking points, and then they wonder why they’re painted with the same brush.

      • Matthew Reece

        This is true, but it is beside my points.

      • Colleen Conway

        “Anarcho-captalists are not conservatives”… In theory that may be true, but in practice, republican politicians embrace and encourage the extreme rhetoric coming out of the Fox news crowd, and they pander to the very loud, far right base. The Eisenhower Republican has been drummed out of the GOP! They created this monster. You never hear them stand-up and denounce people like Alex Jones, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, etc. They have enabled this behavior! As long as republican politicians continue to stand on the podium with their arms around people like Ted Nugent and his militia / tea party friends, they will be judged as one and the same.

      • Matthew Reece

        Look up Stefan Molyneux, Hans-Hermann Hoppe, and Walter Block (true libertarians), then compare them to Alex Jones, Glenn Beck, and Sean Hannity (conservative “libertarians”). There is a large amount of difference.

      • dude

        It doesn’t matter what a ‘true’ libertarian is. It is so far beyond the point, it is silly to try and make it relevant. These people were Ron Paul loving, Von Mises Institute twisted, Alex Jones Disciple, Libertarians.

        You can’t use them to further your agenda and then disown them. Not everyone is as stupid as you believe society to be. We won’t let you hide in the shadows forever. There will be a reckoning and people will be held responsible.

      • http://www.kirbyharris.com Kirby Whosoever Harris

        Colleen, guys like Kokesh and MOST libertarians are NOT Faux News watchers, and typically disdain the Republican Party.

  • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

    vote rightwing!!!!

  • Matthew Reece

    Perhaps you should educate yourself on what libertarianism (i.e. anarcho-capitalism) is before you bash it. For example, a true libertarian will denounce the Constitution as a slave contract. Also, Kokesh did call the shooters murderers for killing the person in Wal-Mart later. As for the idea of using force in self-defense against police, I recommend Christopher Cantwell and Larken Rose on the subject, as they go in to far more detail and explain the case better.

    • poppaDavid

      The two idiots initiated violence against two human beings who happen to be employed by a police department. That is a violation of the stated libertarian principles. The killers were not protecting anyone or anything. Either denounce the violent killing of three people or renounce the non-initiation of violence tenet.

      • Matthew Reece

        Police are aggressors, therefore using force to defend against them is not aggression. The killers were protecting the entire community from two people who make a living by initiating the use of force to carry out the writings of violent sociopaths who win popularity contests. (At least until they went to Wal-Mart; then they did become murderers when they shot a civilian.)

      • poppaDavid

        Saying that “police are aggressors” is like saying that “anarchists are bomb carrying terrorists”. The real truth is determined by the real evidence.

        Please provide your evidence that these two particular human beings ever initiated the use of force against someone.

        The evidence, so far, says that they were doing nothing different from the “Open Carry Texas” people. Shall we start shooting them on sight?

      • Matthew Reece

        Saying that “police are aggressors” is a logical fact. The “Open Carry Texas” people do not make a living by initiating the use of force to carry out the writings of violent sociopaths who win popularity contests. Government police do because that is their job. If they refuse to enforce the whims of politicians, they will be fired. But even failing that, a government police officer who does no direct initiatory violence is still receiving stolen money as payment because taxation is theft.

      • poppaDavid

        There is no “logical fact” present in your statement. You offer an opinion, nothing more. Please produce evidence that these two humans had initiated force against innocent people. So far, you are ALL Bias and NO Fact.

        I happen to live in a community where the population has collectively hired police to protect our lives and property. Neither you nor Christopher Cantwell has any right to tell us that we cannot hire them.

        You say that someone “who does no direct initiatory violence is still receiving stolen money”. We discussed this months ago. You are the recipient of stolen property because you claim to own real estate. Does that mean you volunteer to be a target for murder? Get real. The penalty for theft isn’t a death sentence. Under libertarian principles the punishment for theft is loss of the stolen object and some financial penalty for diminished income or value.

      • Matthew Reece

        Government police officers sign up to initiate force on behalf of politicians, and to receive as payment money which is stolen through initiatory force or the threat thereof (which counts as initiatory force). This may be interpreted as a declared threat by police officers against all civilians in the jurisdiction of their police department. If they refuse to do this after being hired, they will be fired for not performing their duty. Thus it is a logical fact that police are aggressors.

        Did every single person in your community agree to this? If there is even one dissenter, then it is immoral to force such a person to accept this service or pay for its provision. But if this is a private police operation which is funded voluntarily, and everyone is free to stop supporting this operation and hire a competing police operation for protection if they so choose, then there is no problem.

        We did discuss stolen property, and I made clear that the guilt for crimes must die with the people who committed them. A Cherokee cannot say that I should surrender my property because my ancestors drove his ancestors from it 200 years ago because there is no way to know what would have happened to the property without such an event, no way to punish the people who had a part in the criminal act, and therefore no way to restore what should have happened by libertarian principles. (Though this may be a bad example because I am a small part Cherokee.)

      • poppaDavid

        To paraphrase your first paragraph, substituting your offered private police force.

        [The private] “police officers sign up to initiate force on behalf of [their customers ], enforcing their edicts, whatever they may be, rather than simply dealing with situations where a person or property is harmed, and to receive as payment money which [may have been] stolen through initiatory force or the threat thereof (which counts as initiatory force) [as directed by their customers].
        “This may be interpreted as a declared threat by [private] police officers against all civilians [as directed by their customers]. If they refuse to do these things after being hired, they will be fired for not performing their duty. Thus it is a logical fact that [private] police are aggressors.”

        You statements are equally true or equally false when applied to both public and private police departments. Refer to the history of the private Pinkerton Police force for examples.

        When we discussed real estate, you wished that the crime of theft remained with the original thief and didn’t transfer to the person who knowingly received the stolen goods. You wished that the crime of theft ceased to be a crime if the real owner was dead or unable to hire a private police force. You wished that real estate could be claimed away from historic owners.

      • poppaDavid

        Did everyone agree? No. The rules for establishing taxes and other regulations have been in place in our community since before any of the current residents were born. Everyone who has chosen to live here came under those rules when they arrived here. If they don’t like them, they are free to withdraw from the rules by withdrawing from the community. Just as you are free to withdraw from your community, your state and this nation. When you chose to stay, you voluntarily chose to be under those rules.

        When talking about land ownership you contend that the guilt dies with the people who committed the crime, and no way to restore what should have happened. Apply the same standard to federal and state governments. The guilt for stealing personal rights dies with the people who committed it and there is no way to restore what should have happened. Logically, if native Americans cannot recover their rightful land ownership, you don’t get to recover your personal rights.

    • dude

      It doesn’t matter what a ‘true’ libertarian is. It is so far beyond the point, it is silly to try and make it relevant. These people were Ron Paul loving, Von Mises Institute twisted, Alex Jones Disciple, Libertarians.
      You (Libertarians) can’t use them to further you agenda and then disown them. Not everyone is as stupid as you believe society to be. We won’t let you hide in the shadows forever. There will be a reckoning and people will be held responsible.

    • http://www.kirbyharris.com Kirby Whosoever Harris

      I disagree that a TRUE libertarian will denounce the US Constitution as a slave contract. Also all libertarians are not anarchists. And anarcho capitalists like Rothbard (its creator) was NOT against the US Constitution or anarchy, just an anarchist based economy.

      • Matthew Reece

        All true and consistent libertarians are anarchists because a state is inconsistent with the non-aggression principle, which is the essence of libertarianism.

      • http://www.kirbyharris.com Kirby Whosoever Harris

        I disagree, I guess because I am a minarchist NOT anarchist. I believe you need some government. And I consider myself consistent.

      • Matthew Reece

        A state that funds and carries out its activities in an NAP-compliant manner is no longer a state, but just another competitor in a free market.

  • Tillmann Puschka

    you’d think that cops, of all people, would have a great interest in getting this gun problem under control, but cops themselves often come from the furthest, most obscure corners of right wing authoritarian ideology. perhaps they should concentrate on profiling white males who are armed and give minorities a break for a change.

  • MLR

    My brother is a cop, has been for almost 20 yrs and he’s never had to draw his gun yet. He has never killed anyone. This Kokesh needs to be in jail for encouraging violence against others.

  • WSClark

    Is this what we have become?

  • chaserblue

    When did we morph into a Philip K. Dick novel? I must not have been paying attention because I thought that Minority Report and pre-crimes were still the stuff of science fiction, not something that could get you gunned down like a dog. WTF?

  • https://www.facebook.com/stacy.turner Stacy Turner

    Tyler Durden would beat the shit out of John Galt.