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Fox News Accidentally Debunks Their Own Lie

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Desperate to keep the manufactured Benghazi scandal on life support, Fox News has done everything they can to keep that news story firmly in their headlines. Along with the contrived outrage over the IRS giving PACs extra scrutiny for tax-exempt statuses, the Benghazi hysteria has been forefront in their efforts to derail a possible Hillary Clinton campaign in 2016.

It was no surprise then that they’d then desperately dredge up a new story to keep the incident in the forefront, this time targeting National Security Advisor Tom Donilon and his whereabouts on the night of the Al-Qaeda backed attack on the consulate in Libya. Brian Kilmeade, who is a co-host of “Fox and Friends,” asked about the whereabouts of Tom Donilon on the evening of September 11th, 2012.

I know Fox News doesn’t fact check their stories, especially when it comes to something they can smear the president with, but they really screwed up this time. You see, when Kilmeade asked this question, it was with a photo from that night on the screen — with Donilon firmly in the picture. This piece from Media Matters shows the embarrassing screenshot from Fox in all of its glory.

To be fair, Fox has been after Mr. Donilon for a while now, as this 2012 article from Atlanticwire.com points out. As the target of a now forgotten scandal involving national security leaks leading up to the 2012 election, he’s been their whipping boy for the past year in the attempt to pin something — anything — on the Obama Administration.

I’m not a fan of Tom Donilon’s past history as a corporate lawyer and lobbyist, but let’s call a spade a spade when we see it. Fox is truly desperate to keep the Benghazi issue alive as long as possible because they and the GOP need it to carry into 2016 against Hillary Clinton. It isn’t about investigating exactly who was responsible for actually killing the 4 Americans in a city that many of their viewers don’t know is in Libya. It isn’t about finding those people and bringing them to justice — it is purely and utterly political.

The sad thing is that some misguided Fox viewers across the country will take this as another piece of confirmation bias and parrot it as fact, like this insane story from Hillbuzz.org which claims President Obama was high on cocaine that evening.

In this case, they failed horrifically. Whether this goes down in history with Geraldo Rivera’s “The Mystery of Al Capone’s Vaults” or other times when Fox ended up with egg on their collective smirking faces, only time will tell. Either way, there’s a big difference between your everyday “news bloopers” and trying to deliberately mislead the public by manufacturing misguided outrage — something we’ve seen far too often in the past 5 years.

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Manny Schewitz is a progressive from the Dirty South with an inclination to say it like it is. He is a co-founder of Forward Progressives, author of the Kvetching with Manny column, and an unapologetic Bernie Sanders supporter. Manny also maintains an active presence on Facebook, and you can follow him on Twitter as well. Be sure to check out Manny's archives on Forward Progressives for more of his viewpoints.
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  • John F N Doh

    so what exactly did they lie about ? you failed to make a point other then they asked an apparently obvious question.

    • Eric

      DUH, they lied by asking where he was at, implying he wasn’t there, when it’s demonstrable that he WAS there. But, based on your defense of Fox AND your complete lack of proper capitalization and punctuation, you obviously are a FoxBot.

      • John F N Doh

        There are several flaws to your assesment. 1) You make a flawed point assuming that i would waste time time watching faux news. I personally can’t be bothered. 2) I can imply anything i wish, it doesn’t produce a smoking gun. I shouldn’t NEED to explain to you that in order to make a point, based solely on the title of the article, one should have a definitive aha moment. However with your lack of critical thinking abilities apparently i must. There was nothing there IN this article other then typical fox news drivel. And as i already pointed out they asked an obvious question. 3) Don’t worry about my lack of capitalization/punctuation/grammar when you can’t produce a legitimate defense of a poorly written “right wing esque” type of fluff article such as this. Congratulations Eric you have made all the right wing stereotypes of the “left wing loonies” come true in only a few lines. Arrogant, self-absorbed and dumber then a brick. Fox bot indeed, maybe you ought to try to think before you post next time. And another point for you consider if you can, If you are critiquing people on what they watch simply because they pointed out obvious flaws to a fluff article, what does that make you? faux news drones are underinformed, and as such have somewhat of an excuse. What pray tell could you being so intellectually superior and all to them, offer up as yours?

      • Eric

        Wow dude, you STILL can’t punctuate properly, you display arrogance and call yourself smart while acting like you’re educated. How many degrees do you have? Also in how many languages do you communicate fluently? Obviously none, since you can’t punctuate in english, and I’d be very surprised if you knew any other language.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        I don’t see Panetta and Dempsey in that picture. His last meeting of the afternoon was with them Eric. And it’s dark outside. It doesn’t get dark that early in September.

      • NativeSonKY

        When a camera’s exposure is set to the lighting inside a room, the outside will ALWAYS look darker because of the higher shutter speed required for flash photography – any photographer could tell you that.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        If you say so. So where are Panetta and Dempsey in the photo? They were the president’s last meeting before he disappeared for the evening.

      • Caroline Sander

        HaHa Disappeared! Yeah he disappeared into his Batmobile and went to his Batcave were Alfred the Butler was waiting to serve Panetta and Dempsey some Tea and they all made plans to destroy America. OR Maybe… he had to go to the bathroom! DUN DA DUN.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        Lol. Your snide comment is not worth a considered reply.

    • MarieBlue

      o.O

      Seriously dude?
      This is literally what happened:

      Fox: “Where was Donilon during this time?! Nobody knows!”
      ::::shows actual photo of Donilon during that time:::

      • John F N Doh

        you’re assuming i would watch fox, this article doesn’t even offer up a video of the clip that i can see, so yes I am serious, this is nothing more then a left sided faux newsish slant

      • SouthernLadyNC

        It’s dark outside, dudette. It doesn’t get dark that early in Washington in September does it?

  • melloe

    It is what Fox propaganda machine does. They ask a question as if it important (like where is Donilon ) with the intent of putting the thought in the heads of their fox bats that he was not present. As stated in the article, and below, in this case it went Arie as he was in the picture. But that probably won’t stop some from seeing this as part of the non-existant scandal.

    • tommympt

      I’m surprised no one has yet claimed the picture was photoshopped
      by a Democrat mole imbedded at Fox.

  • feenix

    F those whiny GOP-ers. They lost 2 elections, they’re gonna lose the next one, and all they can do is shake their little fists and make up manufactured crises. They’re getting just what they’ve deserved for a long time now — the label of ‘political irrelevancy’.

    • marc carl

      And the country goes further down the drain. Both Dems and GOP have ruined this country with their little greed games.

      • unclemoncle

        The politicians and most of the population in this country are behaving like children. He did it, No, She did it. Grow up and stop the petty games.

    • J-Way

      Fascinating… Are people’s memories really that short? This is almost word-for-word EXACTLY what people were saying about the democratic party during the Reagan/Bush Sr years. But the dems reinvented their party and turned everything around. Republicans will be no different.

      • TarheelBill

        Ah, you mean this is exactly what GOP conservatives were saying (yet not able to in any way prove…because it wasn’t true then!). Your false comparison is fairly representative of the endemic problem of the conservative GOP bubble. If it’s negative about the Democrats and it’s on Fox News, you hear it, you believe it, and you defend it–even if there is no substantiation. There was NOTHING comparable by the Democrats in the Reagan/Bush years, as there was no equivalent to the FOx News irrationality and insanity then.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        You mean when the press was doing what it is supposed to do? You folks better look out. The press is beginning to wake up and report the truth.

      • James Moser

        Fox news isn’t the Press, its the PR firm for the republican party.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        You mean like NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, etc., etc. are the PR firms for the democrats? I purposely left out CBS because I think they have finally opened their eyes to the facts.

      • James Moser

        If that was true, what does that tell you about the shape of the Republican party that they apparently have one news organization on their side and ALL the others are apparently for the Democrats?? Doesn’t bode well for the Republicans does it. Maybe they are doing something wrong?

      • SouthernLadyNC

        I really don’t care if it bodes well for the Republican Party or not. It tells me that the majority of the TV press has drunk the koolaid too. I do not depend on FOX News for my information either, James.

      • James Moser

        So why are you so adamantly defending them here for lying? “You mean when the press was doing what it is supposed to do? You folks better look out. The press is beginning to wake up and report the truth.”

      • SouthernLadyNC

        I’m not defending them. I am defending the principles this country was founded upon. You, on the other hand, are espousing communist teachings.

      • James Moser

        This country wasn’t founded on what you think it was then. I’m espousing communist teachings??? Well what is it then? Do I know what communism is or don’t I? Because I can’t be espousing them if I don’t know anything about it. You can’t have it both ways.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        More revisionist history.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=778004266 Stephen Tighe

        lol. i guess you think this country was founded on the principles of making up lies out of whole cloth in pursuit of your political ends. but then again, from what i’ve seen, i guess god does seem to favor liars.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        This doesn’t even deserve a considered response.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=778004266 Stephen Tighe

        you’re the one trolling on this page to defend the liars on faux noise. but good. don’t respond. as the saying goes, silence gives consent.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        Communism will never have my consent.

      • Bookwench

        Communism!

        “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”

        With apologies to William Goldman, author of the wonderful “Princess Bride”

      • SouthernLadyNC

        So why don’t you enlighten me, o wise one.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=778004266 Stephen Tighe

        both communism and socialism have as their core the belief that a society’s resources, what the theory calls the “means of production”, should be controlled in common, not owned privately for profit. the major difference between them is that socialism is a stage on the path to communism wherein there still is a “state”, a governmental structure regulating activity. communism, the end state, arrives with the “dissolution of the state”, the state is no longer needed and so “withers away”. the problem is, there has never been a “communist” state. not china, not the USSR. not North Vietnam. The history of the theory of communism has been one long attempt by believers in that ideology to come to terms with the fact that it is a false, and badly flawed, theory. it’s a form of utopianism. but as a liberal democrat, i have no interest in it, other than an academic one.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        Then why do you support Progressive Democratic ideology, Stephen? Because they are the ones who control the Democratic Party.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=778004266 Stephen Tighe

        Ummm….because that agenda isn’t communist, unless you’re such a loon that anything short of theocracy is communism.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        So now you resort to calling me names? Shame…

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=778004266 Stephen Tighe

        now you need remedial english. you see, “unless” signals that i’m not actually calling one anything. “unless” introduces a condition…in this case, “being someone who thinks that anything short of theocracy amounts to communism”…which, IF YOU MEET THAT CONDITION, then you qualify as a loon. so i take it that you are admitting you think anything short of theocracy is communism. my my, the founding fathers would be aghast. and yes, then (having met the condition) you are a loon.

      • B_2

        Give it up. Name calling and resorting to correcting grammar is a sign you don’t have anything else to offer to the “discussion”.

      • Jake Criss

        Its ok, we’re all thinking it.

      • dianegordon

        Honey Child, shut your mouth wiiiiiiiiiiide open. What do ya bet you never went to college? You have no clue what communism is if you think America is even vaguely that.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        You are correct about one thing at least. I had to go to work to make my living, HONEY CHILD, because my parents couldn’t afford to send me to college when I was young – unlike you socalled “educated” folks. However, any educational professional will tell you that a college education does not equal your level of intelligence.
        As to your assertion that I have no clue what communism is, I have a pretty good working knowledge of the subject. I grew up in the 1950s and 1960s, HONEY CHILD. Our teachers made absolutely sure we learned a lot about communism and socialism in our World History classes, so don’t assume you know everything — sweetheart.

      • Kisma

        My parents aren’t putting me through college. I scrape what I can to go. Not everyone nowadays has parents that can put people through it and they have to find their own way through loans, scholarships and grants. You might want to rethink your insults before saying them.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=778004266 Stephen Tighe

        oh, so now you’re saying faux noise is communist? i like you better already. because it is, actually. they do just what the Tass-remember them? the Soviet “news” agency-used to do. Give fake translations of american speeches, tell blatant lies. i’m glad we’re on the same side that such things are immoral and shouldn’t be tolerated.

      • Jake Criss

        and stupid will never have mine. Now exit stage left before I have to spray troll-be-gone!

      • SouthernLadyNC

        I’ve already sprayed it on here…didn’t do a bit of good. :)

      • Jake Criss

        You sprayed piss. Like most skunks.

      • B_2

        Because the opinion is different than yours, it’s considered “trolling”? Typical…

      • dianegordon

        I’m gonna put money on the fact that you can’t locate Benghazi on a map. Sure bet.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        Then you would lose your money, honey.

      • Montely Wilson

        I find it interesting that prior to the Obama presidency media bias was really a none issue. Something in your line of contention smacks of disingenuousness. You might not be drinking the koolaide, but your definitely on something.

      • Jake Criss

        Or that you are part of the stupid minority. Hmmm

      • SouthernLadyNC

        No sir, Jake Criss, sir. That majority is what’s normally on this site I gather. Good night you poor, foolish folks.

      • Jake Criss

        Apparently not, we won SWEETY, but bless your heart and thanks for stoppin bye you’all come back now ya hear?

      • SouthernLadyNC

        What did you win SWEETY? The ability to take this country down? If that’s your aim, you’re certainly on the road to victory. May God forgive you and give the rest of us the courage and stamina to take it back before it is too late. To quote you: “You sprayed piss. Like most skunks.” in here and it sure does stink. How adult – it always comes down to trying to belittle others with profanity, doesn’t it? pfffft!!!

      • Jake Criss

        I don’t have to belittle you, you do that opening that mouth of yours or to put it in your language: Iz so stupidz I openz my mouf and dumb fallz outz. Oh and “take this down” FU. Have a good day dear :)

      • SouthernLadyNC

        I won’t stoop to your level. May you get what you so richly deserve.

      • Jake Criss

        Bless your heart, you can’t stoop because you’re already dirt.

      • B_2

        Dude, seriously, log off.

      • B_2

        Wow… back away from the keyboard before you stroke-out. Why are you so angry? If you disagree with someone, intelligently defend your beliefs or statement. Resorting to such immature name-calling and insults only proves you have no knowledge or facts to substantiate your defense. There’s no reason to get so nasty and personal.

      • B_2

        Again, name-calling? How old are you? Why is it that someone can’t have a different opinion? So, what, exactly is the “stupid minority”? Do you mean that all minorities are stupid? Or do you have a more profound meaning?

      • ARealHousewifeInOC

        your dumbass kool aid reference proves your dependency on fox.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        I cannot believe how rude and crude you progressives are. But why am I not surprised this comment comes from a female in California.

      • B_2

        Believe it. It’s sad, but true.

      • B_2

        Really? That’s all you have to offer? That fact that you can’t write anything more than profanity and a sound bite proves you have no point.

      • Tony

        Corporations control the narrative, out of the stations you mentioned only MSNBC is blatantly liberal.

      • J-Way

        First, I don’t watch Faux News, nor am I a Republican (and have never been), but thanks for the ASSumptions. Also, although I more closely identify with conservatives, I most definitely do NOT automatically believe everything I hear that’s negative about Democrats.

        Second, I made a mistake. I was thinking about the articles and opinion pieces early in Bush the Lessor’s reign and mentally transposed them onto his father and their mentor. I should have done a few minutes of memory-refreshing reading before commenting. I apologize for the confusion.

        At that time, Clinton’s ratings had fallen to an all-time low because of his last-minute decisions (lower than at any time he was in office), 9/11 happened and the Republicans rallied behind a suddenly hawkish president, and the Democrats lost control of both elected branches of government for the first time since 1953. Yes, only the “GOP conservatives” were saying the Democratic party was dead then, just as only Democratic liberals saying the Republican party is dead now.

        The GOP was wrong back then. Re-Brand from “liberal” to “progressive” (example: the name of this page), oust a few of the more extreme members, get a little young moderate blood in to the spotlight (remember Obama’s speech at the DNC in 2004?), watch the rise of a bat-shit-crazy wing of the Republican party, and suddenly, presto! the Democrats are back from the dead.

        The Democrats are just as wrong now, because the Republicans are on track to do the same thing. Palin never got in, and Bachman is leaving in a few years. The more extreme candidates in 2012 were shown to be fools and sidelined (the one left standing had MAJOR problems, but he wasn’t as bad as the others). The bat-shit crazy wing of the Republican party isn’t going quietly, but it is going.

        So no, just as the Democrats weren’t dead then, the Republicans aren’t dead now.

  • SouthernLadyNC

    The Benghazi hysteria as you erroneously call it, Manny Schewitz, is nothing of the kind. As far as I’m concerned, it has very little to do with politics and everything to do with incompetence and gross mismanagement by this president and his administration. Maybe from now on, you people will think before just following blindly where the Democrat/Communist party leads you. I don’t like being lied to by anyone and everyone in the administration, and you shouldn’t either.

    The United States of America does not leave its soldiers/diplomats to die without even trying to rescue them. At least it never did up until recently. And Leon Panetta’s assertion that you don’t send assets on any mission where you’re not sure what’s going on is absolutely the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.

    This photo you’re so proud of pointing to, as far as I can tell, has no identifying markings to indicate it was taken on the afternoon of September 11, 2012. As a matter of fact, the photo Fox News used looks like it was taken at night; and, according to sworn testimony by Panetta and Dempsey before Congress, the president was nowhere in evidence at the White House after their short 5 PM meeting that day on up until the next morning. President Obama is the ONLY ONE who can authorize American troops AIB (Across International Borders). If he couldn’t be found, how could he authorize action? Why wasn’t that special terrorism task force we’re paying for not activated? He said he authorized his underlings to do whatever it took to help those people. If that’s the case, why was Gen. Carter Ham told to stand down and threatened with removal from his post when he decided to continue with rescue efforts? They kept saying there wasn’t enough time to get a rescue operation underway. There was no way anyone could know HOW LONG that battle would continue in Benghazi. Those men should never have been hung out to dry and left to die like that.

    Are all of you people so enamored with Barack Obama that you just ignore the facts that have been presented to you “under oath” by several witnesses in Congressional hearings? If you’d act like Americans instead of being Obamazombies, you’d be questioning the actions of everyone in this administration. They KNEW the evening of September 11, 2012 there was no “spontaneous demonstration against some obscure video” going on there. Yet they continued to lie about it to the families of those dead men, the American public, and even the United Nations for THREE WEEKS. WHY? Looked to me like they didn’t want to upset the applecart with the election just a few weeks away – THERE’S WHERE POLITICS FIRST REARED ITS UGLY HEAD FOLKS. I want to know who knew what and when, I want to know who made the decision to let those men die, and anyone who lives here who is an American should want to know also.

    • unclemoncle

      A lot of people feel that Obama can do no wrong.

      • James Moser

        When he has done wrong, we will admit to it. Quite frankly there are many more who feel he can do no right.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        He knows how to campaign, I’ll give you that.

      • James Moser

        Right, because it was really difficult to win against a man who has lied under oath to protect a friend, who lied about where he lived for years to run for office and then had to retroactively amend his taxes, who’s own campaign manager said they weren’t going to let fact checkers run their campaign, who lied about Jeep closing down an american factory (even after the CEO called him out on it) and who called half the country lazy people who wouldn’t take responsibility for themselves.

      • JannyPi

        Don’t forget the dancing horse.

      • Caroline Sander

        Yeah and the elevator for his cars.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        Gosh, Jimmy, everything sounds like the prez except the last sentence, which by the way, was the truth.

      • James Moser

        Wow, I described Mitt Romney and you think I was talking about Barack Obama, no wonder you don’t like him. So misinformed.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=778004266 Stephen Tighe

        obama lied about jeep closing an american factory? either you don’t know your facts, or you can’t count. or both. obama said he wasn’t going to let fact checkers run his campaign? wrong again. gee, you are just falling apart here. is the medication wearing off? or one too many mint juleps?

      • SouthernLadyNC

        Sorry, dearie, I don’t drink. Oh, you haven’t heard about the factory closing? Sorry. I never said a word about obama not letting fact checkers run his campaign either. That was your cohort, James.

    • Bruce Veasey

      You are clearly politically motivated, and biased southernlady. Calling democrats communists, is where you lost the first bit of credibility you may have had,

      I’d like to ask you how many embassies were attacked before Obama took office, and how many people died in those. Can you answer that? Let me give you a hint, the body count is far higher. When you come back with some real perspective, maybe people will take you seriously, but until that point, your nothing more than a right wing zombie, parroting talking points, and whining over the president.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        First, Bruce, that was not an embassy. Get YOUR facts right. It was, at most, a compound used to house State Dept. clandestine operators when they were in Benghazi. That’s why it was such a questionable decision to send a U.S. Ambassador there without proper security when even the British and the Red Cross had left the area because it was so dangerous. Decisions like that are made by high-level government people who are trying to cover up their illegal activities – like trying to recover advanced weapons (MANPAD missiles) they gave to Al Qaeda operatives.

        Second, I do not belong to any political party because they do not represent the American people justly any more. I think for myself now and search out the truth – which you obviously do not do. The last straw for me was the 2012 Democratic Convention that gave my beloved state of North Carolina a gigantic black eye and tried to snuff out the beneficial influence of God in governing this nation.

        Third, you need to go to YouTube and view the testimonies of Panetta, Dempsey, and Gregory Hicks before Congressional Committees before you accuse me of not knowing what I am talking about. Therefore, it is my considered opinion that you are a typical left-wing koolaid drinker who just spouts what you’ve been fed from the president’s lackeys and majority of the media.

        Fourth, the Democratic Party is now being controlled by the far left (Progressives, Socialists, Marxists, Communists), whatever you want to call it who are trying to stamp out personal freedom and subjugate all American citizens to the dictates of the federal government.

        Fifth, I do not whine. I state facts when and where I find them. Maybe you need to start digging a little deeper if you don’t want to live under that kind of rule.

    • Montely Wilson

      Then what would you call 9/11 and all the other instances you were silent on? Where were you and your adamant concern then? Just say what your real issue is. It would be far more acceptable.

  • Al Cleverdon

    Oh you Republican conspiracy theorists.In the picture that I am looking at the windows lead to other “inside” rooms in the building.Where does the “It’s dark outside” theory come from. I don’t know the time frame of all of this. I’m simply responding to the picture in question.

    • Gary Luke

      Well, I suppose the point here is that this picture came from fox news, and not the author of this article. Yes, it makes some assumptions concerning the reason behind the issue in the first place, I suppose you’d have to ask Fox News themselves as to where they got the image from

    • SouthernLadyNC

      Al, if you would hone in on the full-length window just to the left of Tom Donilon’s head and just to the right of the president’s head in the Oval Office, you will see one of the columns that graces the veranda overlooking the lawn at the White House, which is distinctly visible through that window’s frame. That veranda is outside the White House.

  • [email protected]

    They need to change their behavior, but won’t because they mistakenly think the country is behind them. I tell my children, if you keep putting the same thing in you will get the same thing out. The GOP should adapt that into their agenda.

    • B_2

      Check the rating and see who’s watching what…

  • http://www.facebook.com/ssSOLOoo Kevin Solo Beasley

    REPs r now a NEW TERRORIST GROUP…… they DESTROYING AMERICA…. EVERYBODY HAS MOVED ON BUT THEY STILL HOLDING ON TO BENZ DICK…… they dont CARE BOUT AMERICA

  • Stephanie PhDiva Miller

    Hillary will still win if we have anything to do with it regardless of what they come up with! Trust that! LOL!!!

    • SouthernLadyNC

      So you will vote for a callous, Communist liar. That’s no laughing matter … it’s pathetic.

      • James Moser

        You know whats pathetic??? The fact that you already know for sure you won’t be and you don’t even know who else is going to be running. Purely partisan… which isn’t surprising. You guys are easy to spot, just look for the occasional “socialist” or “communist” comment.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        And you delusional Communist stooges are easy to spot also. So, one of you finally admits you Democrats are trying to turn this country into another communist state. Why don’t you just move to Russia. Putin will welcome you with open arms. Do you really have NO IDEA what you’re promoting? You must be one of those people who is depending on Obama and his minions to take money from some wealthy person and give it to you so you can avoid having to work for a living. Have you people looked lately to see how well communism has worked in other countries? It hasn’t!! The people live in poverty and the ruling class dictates who does what. Is that what you want for America?

      • James Moser

        First of all, I’m not a communist, and in communist countries they don’t take from the “wealthy” and give it to “you”. You clearly don’t know what communism is so you can’t question my understanding of it. Second, where did I “admit” anything? I simply stated that our constitution didn’t dictate our country was entirely based on capitalism, because it NEVER has been and most likely NEVER will be.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        I am positive I know a lot more about the communist infestation of this country than you do, Jimmy. I’ve seen it happen since the late 1950s. Our constitution dictates that the citizens shall be free to pursue life, liberty and happiness. It specifically prohibits the government dictating everything you can and cannot do; i.e., like what denomination of church you must attend, even down to what you can eat and drink. It’s based on free choice, not the government says and you obey or else.

      • James Moser

        There you go claiming to know something you couldn’t possibly know while calling others delusional. What does that make you? You don’t know anything about me so how do you know what I know about communism? You are clearly not logical and therefore incapable of logical conversation (not like that wasn’t something most people would have know from your rantings).

      • SouthernLadyNC

        Honey, you ain’t seen a rant yet. It doesn’t pay to poke a loyal American if you can’t stand the heat. Bless your little, pea-pickin’ heart. Obviously, you were born within the last 50 years or so; therefore, you have been slowly indoctrinated into the communist teachings of the “progressive” movement. Please try thinking for yourself before it is too late.

      • James Moser

        Oh “honey”, all you have done on this page is rant, so yes I have seen it. I was raised with a very republican family in the bible belt. There isn’t a single one of them that would say I wasn’t thinking for myself. And it doesn’t matter how old you are, you think you know more about everything than anyone who is younger than you? Get over yourself.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        No, you get over yourself.

      • James Moser

        Wow, you got me there.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=778004266 Stephen Tighe

        you have to admit, repeating what you said was a devastating comeback. it always has been. right back to kindergarten.

      • James Moser

        And lets also be clear on something. “It doesn’t pay to poke a loyal American if you can’t stand the heat.”??? You are the one who first replied to one of my comments. So if you don’t want the replies, then don’t comment, especially smart ass ones.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        Cursing now are we JAMES. tut tut

      • James Moser

        You know that ass isn’t always a curse word, right miss contraction police?

      • Montely Wilson

        That one is stupid on steriods!

      • ConSlapper

        I love how you tell people to think for themselves, yet provide nothing but RWNJ talking points.You have provided no proof that any of your wild assertions are true. You are the poster girl for indoctrination.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        The fact that you’ve jumped into this discussion indicates you espouse LWNJ rhetoric. You don’t believe anything I have said so far, so why should I give you any further information? I’m done begging you folks to look into this for yourselves.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Liston/100000516912149 Don Liston

        One the main reasons that the country skirted with financial collapse during the Bush administration was because ignorant people were swindled with mortgages that they would never have been able to pay. With people who have knee jerk reactions to socialism, you ask first, “Do you have ANY idea what you are talking about and what socialism is?”
        Southern Lady from North Carolina, you fit this on all counts and I don’t blame you for hiding behind a non-descript name.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        I certainly DO know what I’m talking about, which is more than you can say. Just who do you think suggested relaxing the banking standards for loans was, Don? It was William Jefferson Clinton, Barney Frank who headed the Senate Banking Committee, and the Democratic-controlled Congress. And Bush tried to warn the Congress at least 14 times what the result of their allowing people to enter into mortgages they couldn’t possible pay for would be. Look it up!!!

      • Learngate

        Again, why is she here? Three entries ago she said she was leaving but still more blathering of the talking points.

      • Morris Mole

        Does this mean to convey that when someone disagrees, they are not loyal Americans?

      • SouthernLadyNC

        Really Morris? That’s what progressive leaders have been trying to do for years. If you don’t agree with them you’re no longer a loyal American.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=778004266 Stephen Tighe

        right. i think it was that flaming liberal jim bunning (republican) who wanted to lock up everyone who disagreed with the invasion of iraq. fox news who featured night after night of commentary that opposition to the war in Iraq was supporting al qaeda. karl rove who outed a CIA agent because her husband revealed that Saddam Hussein wasn’t seeking to buy uranium from Niger. so who is it that’s been doing what for years?

      • ConSlapper

        Still nothing but assertions about ‘what you know’ without proving that you ‘know’ anything at all. Well, at least you’re consistent.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        I don’t have to provide any facts to you, just as you don’t have to provide any facts to me to “prove” your assertions. You wouldn’t bother to look up the facts if I did provide them so why bother?

      • ConSlapper

        You apparently don’t even need to provide facts to yourself. I don’t know why I’d be any different.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        Believe it or not, I had my head buried in the sand just like you guys here for several years. I finally woke up. You’re the one challenging what I said, dude.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=778004266 Stephen Tighe

        so you removed your head from the sand and stuck it in …the portajohnny tank.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        Beneath you, Stephen. I though you wanted to have an “intelligent” conversation. Guess It’s only what YOU consider intelligent. Good night.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=778004266 Stephen Tighe

        Which of Obama’s or Clinton’s laws dictates the denomination of church you attend? I’ve never heard of this law. Or are you just making things up in the squeaking gears inside your skull? And you might read further back in history. Like…late 1800s, early 1900s. Entire families, including young children, working in factories 14 to 18 hours a day to make enough money to afford a room in rat infested tenement and eat unhealthy, un-government inspected food.

      • Morris Mole

        Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness appears in the Declaration of Independence, not in The Constitution. Communism is a political structure and socialism is an economic structure that can exist in varying ways under many forms of political and governing structures. The two words are not interchangeable.
        Neither are the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        The Constitution defined what the Founding Fathers meant in the Declaration of Independence, and is a framework for the several states to work together for the good of all in a harmonious, limited manner while maintaining their individual powers. Socialism and Communism work hand-in-hand don’t they, Morris? It’s just a slippery slope from socialism down to full communism.

      • Morris Mole

        Not really. The Declaration of Independence was in 1776. It gave reason as to why the thirteen colonies would no longer be part of England. That is all it did. And it ends with a socialistic promise, “We mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Honor.”
        The first governmental document to establish the form of government for the nation was The Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union, written in 1776-1777 and not adopted or controlling until 1781.
        That one didn’t exactly do what the folks wanted at the time, so it was scrapped and on September 17, 1787, the constitutional convention came up with what we now know to be the US Constituion, not in effect until 1789.
        The Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution have nothing at all in relationship to each other.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        Bravo! You’re digging into the true history. Any idea what George Washington did immediately after he was sworn in as president?

      • Morris Mole

        Yes, I do. I am not “digging.” These are historical facts learned as a young child and a young man, many years ago.
        Now, to your question. What is your answer? The myth of popular convention, or the only answer that might come from the one contemporaneous written account?
        There is one account written at the time, and another, from one who was six at the time but not written until some 60 years later.
        We do know he went to church, and then went home to be served by some of his more than 200+ slaves. Yes, our Freedom loving Founding Father saw fit to own other people. I guess freedom only applies to some.
        So what say you to your own question?

      • SouthernLadyNC

        Not only did Washington go to church, but the whole Congress marched to church behind him, where they all asked the blessings of Almighty God upon this fledgling nation. An interesting piece of trivia, don’t you think? By the way, this church is the same small church directly across the street from the site of the 9/11/01 terrorist attacks.

        I don’t know why y’all must keep bringing up things that happened in the distant past that I had absolutely no control over as your arguments. I guess it’s just standard rhetoric you’ve been taught to deflect probing questions.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=778004266 Stephen Tighe

        and when washington stopped going to church? that showed what exactly? or when he ignored questions about his adherence to the doctrines of christianity presented by ministers when he was about to leave office?

      • SouthernLadyNC

        (O.o) Hun, I have no control over what anyone does now but me. To me it shows Washington had fallen away from God. I certainly cannot speculate why he was on the moral high ground when referencing the new country but still lining his pockets off the backs of his slaves. I guess a large number of humans have high morals when talking in the abstract, but may spout something completely different when it affects them directly. Speaking of which, y’all ready for the 140%+ increase in your health insurance premiums next year?

      • Morris Mole

        Arguments? I thought this was simply a discussion, a conversation. Nothing has been deflected at all.
        This part of the discussion began with your statement “our constitution dictates,” followed by text not in the constitution at all. It is simple, really. Merely correcting a false statement made in the course of the discussion. I didn’t bring up the constitution but rather you did.
        Now, what exactly is the probing question being presented with attempts to deflect?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=778004266 Stephen Tighe

        the constitution replaced the articles of confederation, under which there was no centralized authority. because the articles didn’t work. the declaration was a statement of grievance against England, attempting to give a justification for severing the relationship of colony and crown using more or less common principles of justice. there was no definite idea of a government structure presented in the declaration, just a protest against the injustices by the crown against he colonies. there is no mention of the various branches of government in the declaration. it was the announcement that, the crown having imposed intolerable conditions on the colonies, the colonies were declaring independence. …hence, the name….come on, fess up…you’re just a troll. a middle aged guy from indiana whose just bored now that you’re wife has left you and the neighbors won’t talk to you anymore. …you can tell me.

      • James Moser

        Also, your “handle” is very misleading. There is nothing even Lady like about you. Calling people names and telling them where to go.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        I have not been a lady in dealing with you? So sorry I hurt your feelings, Jimmy. Guess I’m not allowed to respond to your aspersions, huh? What’s wrong with suggesting you relocate to Russia? You seem to love the communist system of government more than the one set up by our Founding Fathers. It was a logical suggestion. :)

      • James Moser

        You didn’t hurt my feelings, its takes more than rambling idiot who doesn’t even know my name half the time to do that.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        Excuse me, but did you just do what you accused me of doing, JAMES. I have cast no aspersions upon your name JAMES. I don’t take kindly to petulant men calling me names either. This is what usually occurs with people who realize their rhetoric has been exposed – you cannot conduct a civil discussion on the merits so you start calling people unkind names.

      • James Moser

        Wait? So you “admit” your an idiot? Because I didn’t call you one, I just said it took more than an idiot to hurt my feelings. Your upset now after calling me delusional and a communist as well as a few other names?? What a hypocrite.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        Your exact statement: “its takes more than rambling idiot who doesn’t even know my name half the time to do that.” Obviously our wonderful dumb-down-the- populace education system failed to teach you the difference between the use of your and the contraction for you are. They were too busy working on your “progressive” indoctrination. I’ve wasted enough time on you and your views.

      • James Moser

        Yep, still don’t see where I called you an idiot. You want to talk about my use of contractions now? How petty.

      • James Moser

        Oh yes, stooge, I knew I missed one.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=778004266 Stephen Tighe

        stooge? i still love the 3 stooges. the originals though. the recent movie was crap.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=778004266 Stephen Tighe

        petulant? land sakes….i’m about to have the vapors….

      • SouthernLadyNC

        Okay. Have at it.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=778004266 Stephen Tighe

        had them. got over them. read some deuteronomy and just laughed.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        Your loss.

      • Michele Trempler

        What you have just described in your last 2 sentences is exactly the way the republicans think not demacrates

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=778004266 Stephen Tighe

        You realize that countries like Denmark, etc., that have much higher taxes, universal healthcare, free university educations…not only have solid economies, but a vastly lower crime rate, vastly fewer people in prison, and are thriving democracies. of course, they are also officially and enthusiastically atheist. George “man of god” Bush was the one who loved Putin. Remember?

      • SouthernLadyNC

        We’re not talking about “democracies” Stephen. The United States of America was set up as a Constitutional Republic. Look up the difference for yourself.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=778004266 Stephen Tighe

        i know the difference. it’s between whether citizens directly control the affairs of state or do so through their representatives. in our case, those representatives are elected. of course, at founding it was white, landed males only who had the vote. i would guess you don’t vote on principle, because, when this country was founded, the constitution didn’t give women the franchise. Other than the ancient Greeks, some of whose city-states actually had true democracy-all of the (male, landed) citizens would vote on it’s actions, there haven’t been true democracies. Why is it so important for you NOT to say “constitutional DEMOCRATIC republic”? since that’s what we are, and have been, with the franchise being broadened…oh, i just realized…all the teabag republican states have been trying like hell to restrict who can vote. now i see your point. so in your mind, the difference between a government like the Soviet Union, where a self-policing party picks who leads, and the teabagger united states, where a self-policing republican party only allows voting rights to those it expects to vote its way, is….what, exactly?

      • SouthernLadyNC

        Ah, yes. Replacement theology at its best, and if that fails, start introducing the race card. I’m through wasting my time discussing with people on whom the indoctrination is already complete. May God have mercy on you folks for what you are doing to this country.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=778004266 Stephen Tighe

        i didn’t say it would be racial. i’m sure hermann cain and allen west would get to vote. i specifically said they would grant voting rights to those it expects to vote it’s way. which is what they tried to do in ohio, pennsylvania, florida, etc. it didn’t work this time. but they’re trying again. fewer opportunities for early voting in democratic neighborhoods, with no cutbacks in republican neighborhoods. college students threatened with felonies if the try to vote in the precinct they are living while in college. they….YOU…are targeting people who you know won’t vote your way. so that, in the end, you can steal an election you can’t win. because, for all your “communist” BS, the american people are neither as stupid nor as poisoned by ideology as you’ve been trying to make them for decades. you might win by cheating. i’m sure you’ll try. because you know god is on your side. so it’s got to be right.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        Oh, you mean like the 140% of registered Democrats that voted in Allen West’s district? Oh, you mean like the 100% vote for Barack Obama in, I believe it was, 8 precincts in Philadelphia? Or how about the New Black Panther intimidation at precincts that was tacitly approved by the Attorney General of the United States during the 2012 election? I see absolutely no reason every voter shouldn’t have to present official photo identification to register and be eligible to vote. We have to do it for 99% of all other legal transactions in this country. It’s not trying to keep any group of persons from voting … it’s just trying to make sure only legal American citizens vote and only once. As far as I am concerned, we need to go back to paper ballots. It is quite evident that it was way too easy to manipulate computer voting in this last election.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=778004266 Stephen Tighe

        right. legal americans…like the 80 year old lady who has voted since eisenhower but they tried to deny her the right to vote in 2012? the new black panther party??? you mean the 2 guys in philadelphia in 2004? lmao and i actually DIDN’T mention voter IDs. You need remedial reading. I mentioned the deliberate cutbacks in early voting targeted specifically at democratic districts. Which led to people having to wait up to 12 hours to vote. Not in the rich republican districts. only the democratic working class districts. and college students either have ID and are eligible to vote,or they don’t. But I was talking about legislation aimed at felonizing the act of a student voting in the precinct of the town they live in while attending college. I didn’t say they should be able to vote if they had no ID. But, by the way, miss constitution, where does it say in the constitution that people can only vote if they have this or that particular bit of ID? Cite it for me. And I still haven’t seen your answer as to whether you respect the founders’ intentions enough not to vote.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        Shame on you, Stephen. Voter intimidation is never funny. :(

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=778004266 Stephen Tighe

        neither is making working class democrats spend 12 hours waiting to vote. but, other than faux noise, and the right wing propaganda sites, where are the reports of this widespread voter intimidation you speak of? is this the rusty gears in your head grinding again?

      • SouthernLadyNC

        Excuse me, but everyone had to wait in long lines, dearie, not just the democrats. I’m through responding to your verbal abuse.

      • B_2

        Denmark doesn’t have to worry about many of the things we do. I know that’s a broad sweeping statement, but it’s true. They also don’t have the standard of living we do in the U.S. I’m not advocating that you move there, but, before you exclaim how wonderful Denmark is, live there first. Seriously, not trying to be flippant, but go there, get a job, a house, bank account, etc… Otherwise all you’re doing to reiterating a list of statistics. And, George Bush did not “love” Putin. He was aware of his tendencies.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=778004266 Stephen Tighe

        i guess it doesn’t bother you that the wall street firms that caused the crash in 2008-2009 paid milions upon millions to their executives, while the working people who had retirement savings in 401ks ended up paying for it? well, i’m sure that’s what god wants. if he didn’t, those people wouldn’t be poor in the first place.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        I sure does bother me. So why has our esteemed Attorney General ignored it? As a matter of fact, Stephen, my husband and I are two of those “working people” to whom you refer, and I do not like it one bit that we’re forced to retire on half of what we planned. It was not God’s doing, Stephen, and you know it … so don’t try to lay this crap at God’s door.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=778004266 Stephen Tighe

        good to know that “delusional communist stooge” from your fingers isn’t a case of calling names.

      • gerrit

        ooooh the big commie threat, why do you people always want to go back to the mcarthy era and the commie boogeymen, this is a bogus issue to cover the fact that the republican party is supporting the facist capitalist regime that is really taking over the country that’s where our economy went, that’s where our jobs went, that’s why no one has gone to jail for tanking the country

      • SouthernLadyNC

        gerrit, our jobs went outside this country because William Jefferson Clinton and your beloved Democratic Party decided the companies in this country should be taxes more so they could buy votes from the poor and downtrodden. No one has gone to jail because the law makers are in the pockets of the banking industry. How many times do I have to tell you folks I do not associate myself with ANY political party in this country. They are all rotten to the core. Good night to all you sweet people.

      • James Moser

        Btw SouthernLadyNC, even if they were communist or socialist, you do know thats not actually against the constitution, right? Our Schools, Police, Firefighters, those are all forms of socialism… nothing in our constitution says our country is based on capitalism.

      • B_2

        WHAT?! Um, honestly, I don’t mean to be rude, but have you read the Constitution? Our country is not based on capitalism, our economy is. Our country is a Federal Republic. And, our schools, police, and fire departments are not owned by the Federal or State government. They are a part of a State’s structure; a huge difference than being totally controlled or owned. The difference being they are funded by local tax-payers and administered by local employees that are not government officials.
        merriam-webster
        so·cial·ism noun ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm
        Definition of SOCIALISM
        1:any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production
        and distribution of goods
        2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
        3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

      • James Moser

        Um, I didn’t say our country was based on capitalism…. The fact that it is not was kind of my point.

      • James Moser

        Arguing something is part of our State’s structure but not part of our government is sort of splitting hairs.

      • James Moser

        1:any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

        I would say that defines the things I mentioned. “Collective OR governmental ownership and administration.”

      • tommympt

        Your ignorance is showing.

      • Nonamenana

        You are a total (facts be damned and if all else fails … call them
        socialist or communist) Republican aren’t you? Putting party over
        country is pathetic. If Reagan were to run today he wouldn’t stand a
        chance because he would be too liberal for the current Republican brand.
        I know this because I too was a Republican. Of course this was before
        the party changed and decided to make 99% of it’s citizens the enemy and
        the 47% of whom for some unbelievable reason still vote for them. I’ve
        worked for the NRCC and the NRA at times in my life and the depth of
        ignorance amongst their members is staggering. Come on over to the
        other side .. the people are smarter and have much bigger hearts.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        Nope, I have no party affiliation. I prefer to find out what a candidate stands for by myself and vote for the one that most closely matches my views. Ironically, the two main parties provide good info on the skeletons in the opposing party’s candidate. You’re absolutely correct that it is pathetic to put party over country and that is exactly what the president has done and is still doing … as long as the democrats don’t wake up to what he really is doing. You wouldn’t believe me even if I told you what that was, so you’ll have to search that reason out for yourselves. I hope you don’t take too long.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=778004266 Stephen Tighe

        the constitution didn’t give women the franchise. therefore the founding fathers didn’t want women to vote. and, therefore, you are untrue to the principles of the founders. perhaps a bit of that “creeping democratism”. on your way to socialism and damnation.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        Ah, now you’re gender bashing. If the race card doesn’t work, try degrading women.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=778004266 Stephen Tighe

        you really are a troll aren’t you? the founders were gender bashing, you twit. this is great faux noise deflection. i say “a”, you say “well, if you’re going to say ‘b’ you’re obviously….”. i didn’t bring up race, you did, with your stupid black panther party comment. and i didn’t say women shouldn’t vote. you only get to vote because progressive people like me, after a lot of struggle, managed to amend the constitution to give you the franchise. if progressives had been there at the founding, women would have had the vote from the beginning. and slavery would have been abolished. all i did was to to point out that the founders of this great country, whose views you seem to revere so much, didn’t think women should vote. I don’t see how you can live with yourself. a totally inverted lying hypocrite. oh…a republican.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        Nope, I have no party affiliation. I prefer to find out what each
        candidate stands for by myself and vote for the one that most closely
        matches my views. Ironically, the two main parties provide good info on what’s bad about the other party’s candidates – especially the Democratic Party.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=778004266 Stephen Tighe

        you keep using the word “communist”. i do not think it means what you think it means. i’ve never heard hillary, or bill, advocate the dissolution of the government and common ownership of the means of production. i’m guessing that for you it just means something like “espouses views someone told me are bad”.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        A statement by Soviet Prime Minister Nikita Khrushchev seems appropriate to explain exactly what I mean.

        “We’ll spoon feed you socialism until you’re Communists and don’t even know it! . . . We assist your elected
        leaders in giving Americans small doses of Socialism, until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism. Maybe not you, but at all events, the
        day will come when your children and your grandchildren will surely live under communism!”

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=778004266 Stephen Tighe

        that’s actually quite funny. really. i just realized you’re doing a satirical impression of a michele bachman-ted cruz type. it’s quite good.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        I’m so glad you’re impressed, Stephen.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=778004266 Stephen Tighe

        i am. it’s almost as good as tina fey’s “sarah palin”. i’m sure if you put up a picture of yourself with a footlong hotdog halfway down your windpipe, you’d win an award.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        How infantile.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=778004266 Stephen Tighe

        great comeback. but every time you type, i see the picture of bachman, eyes bugged out, hotdog massaging her uvula.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        Hey, I cannot help what your mind dreams up.

      • jchastn

        eeuuw!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=778004266 Stephen Tighe

        good comeback. i’m shamed to my toenails.

      • ConSlapper

        LMAO! I’m not surprised that you’d dig up a quote that’s been a lie used by RWNJ’s like yourself for over 50 years. Not a speck of evidence that Kruschev ever said it, but you can’t be a mouthpiece for the right-wing noise machine if you actually stop to consider that the truth may stand in the way of your deeply rooted belief system.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        LMBO!!!

      • artisanr

        i hope you don’t shop at Walmart or cheer for Halliburton; THEY do more for communism than Hillary will ever do!

  • WBFD125

    That isn’t egg on their faces, they’ve been bukakeed with the truth.

  • ZWEE VEE

    For people that say MSNBC, ABC and CNN are nothing but PR for Dems just like Fox is PR for Repubs. The BIG difference is that on those channels you don’t see them constantly bashing a republican president like how FOX constantly is up Obama’s ass about EVERY SINGLE LITTLE THING that happens!

  • Shawna Mathews

    Faux news viewers would probably just say they photo shopped him into that picture…

  • hoggyboy

    Boy now this hit a nerve. It’s fine to show when a dumb action is performed. All the media has those. But this line right here is what irks me the most. Desperate to keep the manufactured Benghazi scandal on life support. Now what in the hell? These people that died after the fact of someone not responding or holding off any type of rescue are not contrived out of thin air. Yet no one that should be held accountable can be made accountable. But yeah… let’s stick a crap line like that into the story. F—ing sick! Keep it up you aholes. I hope this shit happens to someone you know and love and then say Oh we don’t need answers. “At this point… What difference does it make” is not an acceptable answer in my book.

    • jchastn

      THIS SHIT happened to over a hundred embassy employees on 13 different occasions during the Bush administration and nobody cared to have a hearing then. Why now? Ill tell you why. A black, democrat president was elected, NOT once, BUT twice. Republican racism is disgusting.

  • mattwm

    what does this prove? nothing, a blurry picture of the president with this guy in it. nothing here to even talk about.

  • bella

    Maybe they should investigate Fox news financial supporters …. I love tuning in to Fox news when I need a good laugh … it’s like having a circus right in your living room.

  • B_2

    There’s nothing “manufactured” about these issues. An American ambassador was killed and the IRS admitted targeting specific groups and people. Both need to be investigated. Look at the facts instead of enthusing blind party loyalty. If anyone thinks that leaving an ambassador to die in a terrorist attack or the IRS can dictate instead of following U.S. tax code is acceptable, by all means, carry on.

    • jchastn

      Over 13 embassy attacks resulting in the deaths of over a hundred embassy employees, including a couple ambassadors. ALL this happened under GW Bush’s watch, and nobody had a thing to say about it! The foreign service is, and has always been a dangerous profession. It gets more dangerous when embassy budgets are cut, Security is expensive and COMPLETELY necessary to run an Embassy. Republicans really need to GROW UP.

  • Alan

    It simply amazes me that some people actually refer to FOX NEWS as a valid source of information.. For a few years now, at least on my cable channel guide it is referred to as FOX VIEWS!! Just wanted to throw a little humor in here.

  • dianegordon

    DUH!

  • MartinDS

    Dems are trying to save te country while the GOP clown car merry drives into the painted cliff with Faux news’s hands over their eyes laughing hysterically in the backseat…

  • meonthissite

    Aside from being corporate dollar happy, which is a problem in both parties, I have to agree with the notion that the GOP is a gang and the Tea Party Repigs are nothing but thugs trying to reign in on the terf for their corporate mob masters. Those notions don’t belong in this country, go mess with third world countries if you want to manipulate the masses. More and more people are being educated and when they find out the facts, they vote democrat.