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Florida’s Fraudulent Voting Witch Hunt Produces a “Shocking” Number of Cases — All Republican

voter-fraudThe issue of voter fraud and new restrictive voter ID laws has taken this country by storm the last couple of years.  Republican legislatures all across the country have taken “a stand against voter fraud” and passed highly restrictive new laws which they claim will reduce the possibility of fraudulent voting.

It just so happens that Florida, with their Republican Governor Rick Scott, is one of these states claiming strict voter ID laws are needed to prevent the possibility of rampant voter fraud.

Well, an investigation by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement has concluded, and their findings are absolutely stunning.

Upon concluding their investigation, they reported a staggering—two cases of voter registration fraud.

Yes, after several months of investigation following the 2012 elections, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement found a whopping two cases of actual voter registration fraud.

Oh, and the kicker?  The two cases consisted of two voter registration forms fraudulently filled out by a man who worked for the Republican party.  He admitted to stealing the identity of his former girlfriend’s ex-husband and filling out the two forms.

Well, the number of cases might increase considering two more cases do remain open, though it’s clear Governor Scott has moved on from this investigation.

I guess that’s what happens when you try to invent a problem that has never existed.

And this pattern of not finding “rampant” evidence of voter fraud isn’t just in Florida — Republicans all across the country are having trouble finding evidence that fraudulent voting is a threat to our election process.

But Republicans haven’t let these kinds of facts stand in their way of passing highly restrictive new voting laws in numerous Republican-controlled states which they claim will reduce the number of cases where people have tried to vote or register to vote illegally.

Though, let’s be honest.  Anyone with even a shred of common sense is well aware that these laws have nothing to do with “voter fraud” and everything to do with keeping people who often don’t vote for Republicans from being able to vote at all.

Because even if there are a handful of cases each election cycle where some sort of voting fraud is found, it pales in comparison to the tens of thousands (if not millions) of Americans who will be disenfranchised due to these highly restrictive voter ID laws.

So while Republicans claim they’re trying to solve one problem, which we all know is a blatant lie, they’re actually creating a problem in their efforts to keep those they wished wouldn’t vote from actually voting.

Because conservatives know that their best chance at “winning” isn’t having better policies than Democrats — it’s simply doing all they can to keep Democrats from being able to vote.

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Allen Clifton is from the Dallas-Fort Worth area and has a degree in Political Science. He is a co-founder of Forward Progressives, and author of the popular Right Off A Cliff column. He is also the founder of the Right Off A Cliff facebook page, on which he routinely voices his opinions and stirs the pot for the Progressive movement. Follow Allen on Twitter as well, @Allen_Clifton.

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  • mmdccbslm

    I’m switing for the paragraph with the indictments and convictions.

    • JAMEJO

      switing?

      • Laiane

        I’m going to guess “waiting.”

      • JAMEJO

        That was my guess. I liked the word, and wondered if it really existed, and if it did, what it meant.

      • davidsherr

        You don’t swit?

      • Michael McAngus

        I don’t.
        I use anti-pispeant.

      • mmdccbslm

        combination ‘fatfinger’ and ‘typo’.

        “WAITING” …… LOL

    • alphadeus

      You using Windows 8 by any chance?

      • mmdccbslm

        ‘fatfingers’ are release-independent. :)

  • Jesse Scotia

    You would have to have a massive voter fraud conspiracy involving tens of thousands of people in one state in order to affect an election. Two people out of Florida’s 8 million ballots cast in 2012 is a whopping 0.000025% of the vote.

    • Richard Verdejo

      Actually, all we’ve been treated to is “Legislated Disenfranchisement”…laws and regulations enacted in order to diminish the voter pools while the GOP still holds the majority in several States over the last decade and some.
      You don’t need a “massive voter fraud conspiracy involving tens of thousands of people” when all that has to be done is gerrymander the laws and regulations in the respective States…much like the “Jim Crow Laws” worked in the past.

      • alphadeus

        When corporations get their way and are able to use block voting based on their amount of employees in each state they are located.
        They’d be able to vote ‘in their employees names’ a millisecond after midnight on the day of the election and disenfranchise every employee they have or have the right to the number of votes of their employees to be counted as ‘people’ and then devote every democratic vote with their own block.
        Wait and see..soon banks will be able to cast 100,000 votes plus by the signature of one CEO and then the people of America will be truly disenfranchised.

      • Cathryn Sykes

        Considering that corporations are now “people” I’m surprised it hasn’t happened already.

    • ns4853

      You have no idea how deep voter fraud goes. Just because they haven’t be able to prove it does not mean it doesn’t exist. Any amount of voter fraud is too much. Those two people you mention and that the liberal press loves to flaunt actually involved many cases of fraud by those two individuals.

      • imapayne

        And they were your beloved Repubs

      • ns4853

        All the more reason you should be demanding that the problem gets fixed. But you don’t. Why is that? It’s because you know that the illegal voters are more likely to vote for a democrat. So crooked or not, you don’t want to fix the system.

      • Bud Tuggli

        You can’t fix something that isn’t broken. Either prove your assertion that voter fraud is rampant, in spite of all the evidence that it isn’t – or GTFO.

      • Kevin Currier

        Didn’t you hear him? He cannot prove it. He just knows it’s there. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to go hunt some witches.

      • CherMoe

        Actually, we DO want to fix the problem that exists … and that is the Republicans and their gerrymandering, their “faulty” voting machines, their lying robocalls telling people to vote on the wrong day or at the wrong building, “losing” their ballots, tearing up their applications, etc.

      • Bud Tuggli

        Just because they haven’t been able to prove leprechauns don’t exist doesn’t mean they don’t, either, ns. Or unicorns that fart glitter, either. What an imaginary world you must live in…

      • James Daley

        That makes no sense at all. If you can’t prove a problem exists how do you know it’s a problem? If they (the GOP) can’t provide any evidence this is a massive problem, then they should take it upon themselves to go in search for it to prove to the country that it is. Just cause the GOP says it’s a problem without proof doesn’t mean a thing and drives down their credibility. This isn’t like religion where you just believe cause your told too.

      • Cathryn Sykes

        “Just because they haven’t been able to prove it does not mean it doesn’t exist.” So on the basis of something that no one has even been able to prove exists, you’ll add a bunch of regulations that will make it difficult for American citizens to vote. Wow. How patriotic of you! And before you start whining that anyone can get a photo ID, that can be a little tough here in Texas, where the nearest office that issues them may be a hundred miles away, require your birth certificate or other paperwork many people don’t have or is open only when you have to be at work or in class. But then again, since the poor, the elderly, the working class and students is exactly who you don’t want in the voting booth, it’s all good, right?

  • Pipercat

    New headline: Florida voter fraud cases double!

    • Mr. Smith

      I wonder what will happen when republicans start getting turned away at polling stations for lack of proper ID and student residency restrictions?
      New headline: “Republicans no longer need ID and Republican students can vote in their school district and home district. Democrats must show 3 forms of photo ID and students can’t vote in their home district because of living at school too many months out of the year, not considered to be residents of their school district.”

  • Pipercat

    New headline: Florida voter fraud cases double!

  • MrWereman

    I would consider gerrymandering, restricting voting hours, dates and locations and having political parties invest in companies that make voting machines (Romney’s son investing in that Ohio company) as the truest forms of voter fraud.

    • Michelle Rhoades

      That’s election fraud not voter fraud and it is rampant.

      • isome

        No, voter fraud is not rampant. In fact the objection to these new laws that you Republicans insisted be implemented was two-fold: 1) voter fraud is NOT an issue based on the number of cases (less than a tenth of a percentage point if I’m not mistaken, and 2) the laws passed do next to nothing to prevent it.

      • William

        I think Michelle was saying that election fraud is rampant

      • FlemingBusinessOwner

        No. It is not. The GOP’s effort to keep people from voting – in areas that vote against them – is indeed RAMPANT. THAT, Michelle said, is “election fraud”. It isn’t really – but is still crooked and very wrong.

      • Michelle Rhoades

        Thank you, I was making that distinction. Election fraud involves things like Throwing out voter registrations of the opposing party or programming computer voting machines to register every other vote for one candidate as a vote for the other. That’s the illegal voting activity that they need to enact stiffer penalties on and police for.

      • Nate

        Umm 1/10 of a percent is .1%. It is closer to .0000001% of proven cases.

      • AFV

        Mitt Romney voted in Massachusetts claiming his sons basement as his primary residence. And he was a tax dodger… We sure did dodge a bullet.

      • ns4853

        Get your facts right. Romney paid more than he needed to pay. Do your research before you spout off and look like a moron. And you say we “dodged a bullet?” Wake up to what’s happening in the world.

      • Crysta

        Indeed, he paid like 15%, when he only needed to pay 13%…

      • CherMoe

        Proof, please. He only showed ONE tax return and the country was told to go fly a kite because we weren’t getting any more information from them, according to the snobbish, elitist Mrs. Romney who told everyone to quit “picking” on her husband.

      • Al Mahany

        And the buffoon got what he deserved. Sorry Mitt, no Oval Office for you.

      • disqus_6AeSbMRBY2

        The White House; the only house that Romney COULDN’T buy.

      • Scaramongus

        Well it’s not like he and his ilk have been trying to buy it.

      • Imtoooldforthis

        I find it remarkable that people want to see every tax form Romney ever filled out but if they were asked to make public the same items they would site privacy issues. Nobody is going to agree with me but my taxes are between me and the IRS and nobody else is entitled to look at them just as my faith is between me and my God and nobody else is entitled to interfere with it. Remember the old saying all I HAVE to do is pay taxes and die? I’m not taking his side on any issue because there’s something about the man the puts me off him but I am saying don’t require him to do something you wouldn’t.

      • harry

        Except you are not running for office. It’s in the rules and requirements he knew before.

      • Imtoooldforthis

        Show me the rule that states he has to publish All his tax records if he’s running for office. He may be required to show one to three years worth to prove he lives where he states but not the amount that idiots want.

      • cattnipp

        and we workers pay 15% in PAYROLL taxes alone…. and then income taxes on top of that 15%

      • Jerry Caldwell

        We have no idea what he actually paid. Every return he released was eligible to be amended. It is likely and plausible he got a fat refund cause his horse lost. 8 )

      • ns4853

        Figure up how much 2% of several million dollars comes to.

      • Kevin Currier

        Still 2%.

      • AFV

        Not withstanding his Caymen island shenanigans Romney accepted amnesty for his UBS account. And as he would often point out when talking about illegal aliens, only criminals can accept amnesty. Then there was the personal charitable space he was renting from the Mormon church. Makes me wonder who would lobby for such a loophole. A rich Mormon perhaps? His 13% is half what my percentage is. Probably yours as well.

      • CherMoe

        Proof, please.

      • doridori

        YES, wake up! Can you IMAGINE what Rommy would have done with all the chaos in the world and NO expertise at diplomacy at ALL? In fact, the Mormons believe that war in the Middle East would be a GOOD thing so that Mormons will rule the world when WW III is over. NOT making this up! LOOK it up!

      • Betty Caron

        And you know Romney paid more because??? Hiding assets in other counties to avoid paying taxes is rampant among the top 1%ers and should be a crime.

      • DJD11

        He paid slightly more than he was legally required, by claiming less of his “charitable” donations, and made sure everyone knew it.
        I would be willing to bet that after he lost the election, he went back and amended his return.

      • ns4853

        At least he only voted once.

      • Bud Tuggli

        That you know of. If the verification system is as bad as you think it is you really can’t be sure of that, now, can you, NonSense?

      • eye4u

        no wonder you got Alfred E. Neuman as your avatar. Perfect. Some of the other dolts on this site should also adopt him as their representative. Facts don’t matter if you’re a liberal. Or on the dole.

      • AFV

        Ha ha! Obama’s your president. Elected twice! Won both electoral and popular votes! Ha! The only way for you to get your way is to cheat and have the supreme court appoint a dolt who can’t pronounce the word “nuclear”. See what happens when you embrace stupidity? lol thanks to stupidity like yours we’ll have at least another 16years of democratic rule. Where’s your God now.

      • Scaramongus

        Can you explain what you mean by fact?

      • jd

        isn’t election fraud caused by voter fraud? you gotta vote to get elected. and making machines that only vote one way…your definition of election fraud, and a voter votes on that machine, isn’t the voter who may have signed the official voter rolls properly now liable for voting illegally? doesn’t the voter now become a suspect because how do we know that the voter didn’t know that machine was rigged or not?

  • Anne2

    The Republicans can keep crying “voter fraud” as the reason Mittens lost to Obama or they can face facts-we’re on to their tricks and don’t want their double-dealing asses making decisions based on the money being placed on their palms. We want those we put in office to represent the needs of the people, not big business.

    • cattnipp

      I have had three people tell me that the reason Romney did not win in Ohio is that voted turnout was 130% of the number of actual residents in the state of Ohio……. for some reason they felt that was a legitimate statement ..seems to me that if the folks did not exist they would have had trouble registering to vote….. more likely the electronic machines that were set (proven by actual video files) to change votes for Obama into votes for Romney somehow managed to screw up the entire count, OR even more simply…. the GOP came up with an impossible story and their followers took it as gospel truth.

      • alphadeus

        If it appears on fox it must be true…murdock, 2013

      • ns4853

        That’s mostly true. But if it appears on MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, or CNN, you’d better check their facts.

      • alphadeus

        Well as fox news watchers have been found to be more misinformed then those who don’t watch any news soured at all…id say the other stations are one step ahead to begin with and as their views are much more likely to search the facts out then fox watchers they are two steps ahead..and as fox has the right to lie to its viewers legally that makes anyone who watches another news source three steps ahead of fox viewers and two steps ahead of fox hole dwellers…sort of makes a rabid righty a little ignorant..ok, a lot ignorant

      • Ellen Backke

        Yes, and many Fox viewers are unaware that a court ruled in Fox News’ favor in a case in which the judge ruled that news media has no responsibility to report truthfully….(news is now entertainment). Keep in mind that this was a case in which Fox was being sued. With this ruling, no news media has to report truthfully. Propaganda anyone?

      • ns4853

        “Well as fox news watchers have been found to be more misinformed then those who don’t watch any news soured at all…”

        I assume you mean “source.”
        1. How do you know that? Was it an MSNBC poll?
        2. Did they do the same poll for the liberal stations?
        3. Or are you just making things up like most liberals?

      • gemma liar

        explain why fox “news” trumpets how Obama spends MORE than any president,,,yet on a PER CAPITA basis ( that’s accuracy) he spends less….. explain how FOX “news” cried cried cried about FOUR ( yes: 4) dead in Benghazi yet forgets and buries the 4400 PLUS DEAD SOLDIERS IN the rightwing fabricated war in IRAQ,,,or how FOX ”news” pundits CRY for smaller govt and CONSTITUTIONALITY yet all they want is vaginal ultrasounds and money for THEIR constituents ( see: repub governors TAKING fed money and endorsing Obama care) ,,,,silly me! TEA PARTY rallies with NO ASIANS or africans anywhere in audience???? VOTE REPUBLICAN!!!! we need the levity of their self immolation and eating each other in the party!!

      • ns4853

        There’s not a single bit of truth to anything you said. You must get your “facts” from the Al Jazeera network. But I couldn’t expect any less from a lib-idiot.

      • gemma liar

        nope,,,,,,,,,the congressional budget office,,,, a NON partisan office… wanna try again rightwing FOX “news” watcher? OHYEAH I FORGOT– whats up with FOX “news” having al Jazeera ads on its network??? cannot WAIT 2 hear U distort THAT truth,,,,

      • ns4853

        Simple. Fox New is the #1 watched news network. Can’t blame Al Jazeera for going with a winner.

      • gemma liar

        I was waiting for that stumblesome reply,,,,,,,, by extrapolation your “logic” means that McDonalds is BEST as they “serve” the most people……..so its OK for your hallowed FOX “news” to place true radical MUSLIM propaganda on its airwaves??? LETS HEAR IT FOR NS 4853!!!!

      • ns4853

        I give up. You’re too stupid to be able to express any rational thoughts. Good luck in your make-believe world.

      • Bud Tuggli

        Like I’ve been saying, NonSense. If you think you’re losing, you pick up your ball and go home. Face it, friend. Facts are foreign to you.

      • gemma liar

        make believe??? your GOD in the SKY is NOT make believe??? well answer me tis: O delirious one: if god ( your god) is so powerful,,,Y’know- curing cancer and building churches for his flock et hoc genus omne,,,,why WHY why cant YOUR god “GOD” cure an amputee? until YOUR ersatz GOD does that U are without a “leg” to stand on conversationally

      • catt

        my friend….. we are here to worship God and show our concern for God’s creation…. of which we are doing a poor job, unfortunately. How is it that you have been led to believe that God exists to do your / or our bidding? is it the purpose of a parent to do whatever their child dictates? Look up the word ‘hubris’ and learn where you should NOT dwell

      • catt

        I am sure it would be much more balanced than either MSNBC or Fox “news”

      • Scaramongus

        ns4853 – So far in this entire thread you have had said absolutely nothing of substance.

      • catt

        you forgot to mention the 14 attacks on our overseas embassies and consulates which resulted in over 20 deaths between 2001 and 2008…. which never caused the GOP to bat an eye or call for an investigation

      • doridori

        Actually it was an unbiased ‘test’, lol.. Fox News watchers were always WRONG, where as people who ‘guessed’ were right at least half the time!

      • gemma liar

        donnn’ be dissin my negga dogg”!!

      • Cathryn Sykes

        If it appears on FOX, it’s likely to be true?
        I wouldn’t count on FOX to accurately recite the multiplications tables!

      • Al Mahany

        Faux Noise, you mean. The scary part is that so many people will watch Faux Noise, not bother to turn on any real news show, and accept Faux Noise as commandments from God.

      • ns4853

        Fox is the only major network that is not controlled by the liberals. That is why you hate it. Libtards want to control the thinking of everyone. They just can’t stand to have anyone disagree with them.

      • gemma liar

        hows that atrophying of your lying repub– and tea bag party– working for ya? lemme know

      • ns4853

        Actually, it’s been working pretty well. How’s the English language working for you? Great sentence structure, spelling, capitalization. Did you skip school when you were young? You seem to be using some other form of communication that I barely recognize.

      • gemma liar

        hey kreskin,,,,,,,,how about words like comiconomenclaturist? or should I further embellish my lexiphanic vocab? Decrying your napiform steatopygous “wife” ( if U actuallu HAVE one) and she probably adds 2 that anatomical misfortune by being micromastial ( a GREAT visceral combo with “steatopygia”) I shorten some words and don’t capitalize just to annoy low IQ inbred pseudo-intellects such as theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee…( notice the extra “e’s”?? that’s for theeee) you pusillanimous cretins are the biggest threat to the PROGRESS of this great nation,,,,,the regressive religious shrinking movement (Grant Williams anyone??) Ok king nugatory,,,send another jejune comment so I can eviscerate you again

      • ns4853

        Great job of faking your vocab. Now try punctuation, capitalization, and sentence structure.

      • ns4853

        Hey liar, Your gasconism and gement shows you’re accustom to geophagy which makes your sabulous personality a result of being a bantling and having a bedswerver with a belonephilia that loves to bathe in bodewash.

      • gemma liar

        EVIDENTLY u ARE STUCK IN THE “b AND g” SECTIONS OF WHATEVER BOOK u ARE READING FROM,,,,, u HAVE TO BE more CLEVER THAN THAT,,,DONT u?

      • doridori

        WOW, Gemma Liar ROCKS!

      • gemma liar

        they are from GOD silly,,,where have U been? republican (TM) jesus which espouses NO RIGHTS for GAY amercians,,,, limited rights for WOMEN,,,,,not helping old people or sick people or KIDS,,,,republican jesus saves !!! ( the wealthy)

      • gemma liar

        if it appears on FOX U don’t need to check “facts”…… its the opposite of truth 75% of the time

      • ns4853

        Typical lib-idiot. There’s just no room for any other opinion but your own.

      • gemma liar

        opinions? that’s what FOX uses as FACTS,,,I prefer graphs and charts and REAL numbers to OPINIONS,,,example: Christians opinion is JESUS is GOD,,,the FACT is: GOD is TOO big to be defined by a finite being ( such as MAN)
        OPINION: Obama is born in kenya
        FACT : he was born on an American island called hawaii
        ============================================
        OPINION: trickle down economics is best path for all-around USA prosperity…
        FACT: ( do I REALLY need to excoriate you here with this one??)

      • StartyBartFarst

        Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black. And of course anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot.

      • gemma liar

        fox news,,,,, fair and balanced. Karl Rove saying mitt won: and where is littledick morris??? My fave is the skanky flatchested ( and hating her life because of it) michelle ” name changer” malkin,,,,,, shes burning phosphorus with self hatred transposed upon all that isn’t what she demands,,,,FOX “news”… praise jeeeesus and pass the tithing basket. Anne Coulter anyone?

      • ns4853

        You don’t happen to be a woman hater? You sure sound like a chauvinist to me.

      • Bud Tuggli

        Your responses remind me of the 5 D’s of Dodgeball:
        Dodge, Duck, Dip, Dive, Dodge!

        Typical “low-information voter”.

      • ns4853

        That reminds me of the Obama voters. Dumb, dumber, dumbest, dumb as shit, dumber than shit.

        Typical Kool Aid drinker. Jim Jones would have loved you.

      • Bud Tuggli

        Actually Rev. Jones would have preferred you to me. I’m not one to accept a drink from someone I don’t know. You, on the other hand, accept just about every line of crap you’re handed as long as it comes from El Rushbo’s corpulent lips.

      • gemma liar

        anyone notice that limited IQ rightwing cretins such as my ‘MAIN MAN” ns4853 ALWAYS quote FOX “news” jargon with such ‘pithy’ comments as “KOOL AID DRINKERS”??? LETS ALL HEAR IT FOR little fella NS 4853~~~!!!!

      • cattnipp

        please, be kinder to those who just plain do not know better….. attacking them does nothing to bring them to edification….. suggesting ways they could improve their knowledge would be preferable to making them more defensive of their views.

      • gemma liar

        allow me to edify: 1st– I am a TOTAL chauvinist…and I have been highly successful with SLIM pretty NATURALLY large breasted women ( I cannot and WILL not sex flat chix) 2nd- woman hater? “women” such as malkin who show their disdain/self hatred in the way the conduct themselves… those I hate. I don’t hate PALOIN: shes sexy as all hell! shes an idiot but I would LOVE to sex here frequently! ( NOTE : I have a 5’6 133 lb double D chested girlfriend and I do NOT cheat; so palin has to pay me a lot and I doubt she will) Im a self employed CHEF who (since 1989) has contracted ( lease; subcontract,ETC) kitchens exclusively in adult strip clubs in the south FLA area ( Memphis 1997-98) so I kinda sorta ABSOLUTELY know about women. I will NOT “bore” U with what I look like as I cannot prove it in this writing; nor do I care what a smarmy skinflint such as U will “think” as U are typical in scope of all rightwingers: argue everything even when proven wrong. If U don’t know MY type of woman GOOGLE Marilyn Lange photos….. she is-in my opinion- the best looking woman I have ever seen,,,, even at her age today she is still staggeringly appealing. Marilyn Lange,,,,go ahead: then practice your quotidian onanistic tendencies to her playmate ( 1975 of year) stunning pics. If U want to get back and hurl further insults at my Teflon self please feel free,,,,,

      • cattnipp

        there are men who do their most profound thinking with their penis……. happily it is NOT the majority of men that do so….. however I am sure you understand these men exist, sadly many of them are in power in the GOP….. they explain that it is a waste of time to send a girl to college because she will never use her education and should wait at home under her fathers rule until he finds someone to turn ownership over to……… they also claim that a woman should relax and ENJOY rape because it is God’s plan…. Thankfully not all GOP/TeaParty males espouse these disgusting views in public but it would be appreciated if those of greater intellect in the party were to quiet the sex-driven idiots

      • ns4853

        “seems to me that if the folks did not exist they would have had trouble registering to vote.”

        cattnipp, are you sure you don’t want to take a little more time to think that one through?

      • cattnipp

        You are saying that the State Elections Board of Ohio does not have enough IQ points between them to realize they had at over 130% of their entire population REGISTERED TO VOTE and investigate it before election day??? That is a slanderous accusation, that would mean every man, woman, child, fetus, dog, cat, and field mouse had been accepted as legal voters……… I do not for a second buy it——- you see, people don’t just line up and claim the right to vote, they have to REGISTER, and that registration is looked at by the Elections Board employees………….. that is why states like Florida purge all Hispanic sounding (or foreign sounding)names from the voting rolls.

      • ns4853

        You are either very naive or just a plain fool. I’m not sure which.

      • gemma liar

        WHY WAS not VOTER REGISTRATION SO VEHEMENTLY SUPPORTED by rightwingers BEFORE 2008???? ( HINT: white president)

      • Kevin Currier

        Shouldn’t need to. If I did not exist, it would be difficult for me to take any action, including to vote. Seems like pretty standard logic to me.

      • doridori

        The machines for sure were rigged in Ohio in 2004 and Rove had his minions set to do it again in 2012. ANONYMOUS announced that they had found out and blocked Rove and sure enough! Rove went ballistic when Ohio did not fall for Rommy as was supposed to happen.. on Fox NEWS of all places.. quoting Rove “Wait, wait, wait! It’ll CHANGE here in a minute!” lol

    • ns4853

      Needs of the people? Don’t you mean entitlements for those that are too lazy to work?

      • imapayne

        They are not entitlements if you work and pay into the system. I am disabled and receive SSI. Social Security I paid for since I was 11 yrs old so take your “Lazy’ thoughts and shove them up you A$$

      • ns4853

        And how many “takers” don’t work and pay into the system? MILLIONS! If it doesn’t apply to you, don’t get your panties in a bunch.

      • Crysta

        If you don’t like, it, you can just stop paying…

        Or you can move to Mexico…

        The REAL takers, are the big businesses, who rely on PUBLIC FUNDS to supplement the unlivable wages they PREFER to pay (That number is likely into the 10s of billions, 3 Billion from Walmart alone)

      • Al Mahany

        Or move to Somalia, where they have the “small” (non existent) government that you conservative types like. Better bring your gun and lots of bullets because if someone is shooting at your ass, forget police protection from the “small” government you think is so great.

      • Cathryn Sykes

        Almost all of those “takers” have paid into the system. Then they lost a job, got sick, had a family crises, or could only get a job that barely paid the rent, so, yes, they got some help from you and me. Which doesn’t bother me at all. Since someday, I may need some help to. But you, of course, never, ever will. Right.

      • ns4853

        “Almost all…?” How do you know? Where are you getting your facts from? Must be MSNBC or maybe AlJazeera network.

      • gemma liar

        im totally enjoying seein al Jazeera ads on your BELOVED FOX “news”

      • ns4853

        Me too. Love it!

      • LarryEWells

        Your attitude and your “facts” are just so much horsesh*t!! No one gets social security without paying in or being disabled PERIOD!!! Most of the “takers” are hardworking Americans who don’t owe taxes because they don’t make enough, thanks to rethuglican policies keeping wages down.

      • ns4853

        Forty seven percent of people pay no federal income tax. Nearly 48 million people receive food stamps (about 1 person out of 6). A family of three on welfare can receive almost $62,000 in welfare payments (almost a billion dollars per year is paid out by the government for welfare). For a family of four in NY state, a child can receive free government funded health care if the family’s income is under $92,000. Government entitlements should be for people that truly need them, not for those that are not really in poverty or disabled.

      • jeffos

        You are a liar. And stay away from me and mine cause this military vet and father of a U.S. soldier will stand my ground against your crazy , angry and cruel , mentaly ill life. And it is you and your religous allies that want to control peoples thoughts. That is the very definiton of religous. The scientific process is all about open mindedness you fool. If you can’t prove it , don’t even start with me. You need to stfu and gtfo.

      • ns4853

        A liar? About what? You are a completely wack job. You make no sense at all. It’s people like you that need to have their guns confiscated.

      • gemma liar

        religion== loserville/superstition/ control/ income,,,,

      • ns4853

        Total wack job. Have you gotten off you meds again?

      • ns4853

        Ya, when the family is making $90K I don’t see why the taxpayers have to provide free medical assistance. But that’s just me.

      • gemma liar

        ns 4853 is a small dicked- and smaller minded rightwing chriatian who “thinks” bush policies were ok for America,,,please be kind to those as NS 4853 who are socially and structurally handicapped

      • gemma liar

        so a child getting free health care is a sin in your myopic view?????

      • Anne2

        On this NS, I’m calling your BS-Only One state pays 60k in welfare and that is Hawaii for a mother and two children and I seriously doubt they are living it up as a gallon of milk is almost $9 and gas is $4.50 per gallon there. And many states have CHIP programs and it’s for the CHILDREN-now tell me you are begrudging CHILDREN having the medical care they need if their family is incapable of obtaining insurance, BUT if a family of four in New York makes over $7,850, they pay the full premium for that insurance through the state. I simply have no idea where you are pulling your numbers from but they obviously aren’t factual. This is the NY state website-easy to read graph for you-http://www.health.ny.gov/health_care/child_health_plus/eligibility_and_cost.htm and another comparing total amounts of public assistance available per state to the minimum wage-with state amounts for a mother and two children listed compiled by a non partisan source-the Cato institute-http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/the_work_versus_welfare_trade-off_2013_wp.pdf

        Thank you for allowing me to point out that your knowledge is based on ignorance. :-D

      • gemma liar

        who the hell are YOU distorting poor “ns 4853″ with those silly little things wich are anathemal to He and other micropenile FOX ”news” watchers called,,,,,”FACTS”???? who the hell are U to shed truisms and light upon any and all subjects??? why cant we all just let simple minded coelecanths suchs as “NS” live his little little fantasy??? SHAME ON YOU!!!! (ps– I LUVVVVVVVVVV U!)

      • gemma liar

        ok brainiac,,,, how about all the rich rich rich companies who OUTSOURCE jobs( started by Reagan) and also pay NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TAXES??? that’s worse U small dicked white trash crybaby. awww,,,did U again fall down and go “boom”??? go tithe at some nice TAX FREE church

      • ns4853

        Brilliant comment. But how could I expect any less from a lib-idiot?

      • gemma liar

        awww,,,, did ns 4853 (again) fall down and go “BOOM”???

      • cattnipp

        Amen……. I paid into Social Security for well over 30 years…. and now that I am unable to work, they are claiming I did not become disabled until 18 months AFTER a Rehabilitation Medicine Specialist declared me unable to work…….. I have been progressively disabled since the early 1980′s, my occupational therapist tried to put me into a wheelchair just before the turn of the century (but I refused) …. I made the choice to have NO life or activities outside the 36 hours a week I was putting in at my job because I did not have the strength or the stamina ….. often family members would have to stop by and take my grocery list to the store for me….. finally even eliminating all outside activity was not enough and I was fired for not being able to keep up at work any longer.

      • Anne2

        No, I actually mean the ‘needs of the people”. Those people too lazy to work” as you call them include people who have served this country and gave more than a just few years of their lives (they actually gave parts of themselves in the literal sense), those people include the elderly who have worked and paid into a promise made by FDR. Those “too lazy to work” actually include the working poor who are actually just trying to get by and to make sure their child doesn’t go to bed hungry. When asshats start screaming about entitlements and the 47% they sound like jealous little children that are clueless. You know, those little brats, that no one likes to be around, who start screaming, crying and throwing tantrums-wah, wah wah “he got a bigger piece than I did”, wah, wah, wah, “it’s not fair!”. You sound ridiculous, no one asked to be poor or hungry or having to chose heat vs food vs shelter vs medication to stay alive-poor is just that POOR. They have less and don’t want to be in that situation any more than anyone else would. They say the proof is in the pudding, in the state I live in people on public assistance get less than $500 a month total, so if you and the other brats screaming “entitlements” want to try living an entire month on less than $500, (yes it includes rent, food, heating, gas and insurance on your vehicle-everything for an entire month), please, do it, then in a month come back and tell everyone how entitled you actually feel.

      • ns4853

        Cry me a river. Your state assistance of $500/month is in addition to federal welfare programs and most likely other state assistance programs. It’s been proven that people can stay at home and not work, even though they are fully capable, and collect as much as $35,000 in government benefits… and many people do.

      • Anne2

        Many people do? Site your source Brat.

      • Bud Tuggli

        He doesn’t have sources, Anne2. Doesn’t believe in them.

      • cattnipp

        more than 50% of families that get food stamps have at least one family member working full time………. Walmart TEACHES their employees exactly how to apply for food stamps because if they were to pay a living wage they would only pocket 22 Billion dollars a year….. & they don’t believe they could live on so little

      • Cathryn Sykes

        The net worth of the top eight Walmart heirs, none of whom has had to work a day in their lives, is $90 billion. $90 BILLION. Yet Walmart pays so little in wages and benefits that it’s estimated that taxpayers are susbsidizing each store to the tune of $400,000 plus in ADC, foodstamps, etc. Who is the “moocher” in that equation?

      • ns4853

        The wacko libs love to blame big business. But of course, you support them by shopping at their stores, buying their goods, etc. You’re HYPOCRITES!!!

      • Grace Marie

        “of course”… no, ns4853…. I, for one, DO NOT shop at Wal-Mart or other business where I know they do not pay their fair share of taxes or pay a living wage. Yes, I spend more, but I feel much better supporting small business and do so. I buy … small, union, American made… and I sleep on a soft pillow at night. Do you?

      • ns4853

        Do you shop at Walmart? How about all the other greedy big companies? Do you shop there? If so, (and don’t tell me you don’t), then you are supporting them and that would make you a hypocrite.

      • LarryEWells

        I don’t I shop at Costco . They are cheaper and pay a decent wage (Costco Average $47,000- Walmart $ 17,000 a year) and earn more per employee hour than the leeches who own walmart.

      • cattnipp

        I do not shop at Walmart, (for some reason I feel like I can’t breathe in that store, and their merchandise is not inexpensive it is cheap, I can’t afford to treat my clothes and small appliances as disposables) …… but I do shop at Winco Foods because my food stamps go farther shopping there, and my son has a Costco membership so he sometimes picks up things for me there and occasionally I shop at Target………. Costco believes their employees are worth a living wage, and I do not think Winco or Target have spent tens of millions to lobby congress against raising the minimum wage (Walmart has)

      • ns4853

        They teach their employees how to apply for food stamps? Where did you get that information? I’ve known people that work there, including management. I’ve never heard of any such thing. I doubt Walmart would like hearing that you are spreading stories about them that aren’t true.

      • doridori

        ns4853…. you are not worth responding to. Half of Americans are either dumb as a stump or Batsh1t crazy. YOU may be both!

      • ns4853

        Can’t you people read? I said “entitlements for those that are too lazy to work.” I didn’t say “those that are handicapped, UNABLE to work, unable to find a job…” I said TOO LAZY to work. Geez, I can see why you libs voted for Obummer. You can’t read and comprehend correctly so you don’t know what’s going on in the world. And BTW, I don’t expect to win a debate with any of you “Forward Progressives.” I just love to watch you get all worked up and continue to show your ignorance. Your posts are filled with inaccuracies, “facts” that you can’t back up, and things you make up as you go along. Your democrat/liberal Obama-worshipping fantasyland-believing misinformed lib-media-loving gullible Pollyanna world you live in is falling apart before your eyes and you can’t even see it. Jim Jones would be very proud of you.

      • LarryEWells

        While your ignorance and your argument fizzle down to zero (your intellect) you seem to be the one who lives in a fanasty world!!

      • ns4853

        You’re an idiot. No point in arguing with an idiot.

      • Bud Tuggli

        We only argue with you in the hopes that we *can teach a pig to sing, NonSense!

      • ns4853

        That goes to show how stupid you really are. Pigs can’t sing. No wonder you fell for the Obama crap. You’re just too gullible (dumb).

      • Bud Tuggli

        I might be gullible, NonSense, but at least I understand the allusion in my statement. I rest my case.

      • gemma liar

        hey kreskin,,,,, 73% of all food stamp recipients are either OVER 65 or UNDER 13 ( parents get them and feed kids) but U chowderhead Christian trash don’t wanna hear that,,,, funny how trash rightwing politicians decry Obama care yet repub governors want it IN THEIR state,,,Funny aint it??? hows that decaying and self fighting in that repub party working for ya???

      • ns4853

        Whoa, take it easy. Your blood pressure! You don’t want to have a heart attack… you may have to depend on Obamacare. We all know that’s a death sentence.

  • Ignatz

    Voter fraud happens, at a bureaucratic high level. It does NOT happen by somebody trying to sneak in and vote as somebody else. Think about how STUPID that would be:

    1) You have to know that the person is registered to vote at that polling place. How would you know that?

    2) You have to know that they haven’t already voted. If they have, you’re caught and going to jail.

    3) You have to hope they don’t vote LATER. If they do, they will know you voted fraudulently, and start looking for you.

    4) You have to hope that nobody in the place KNOWS the person you are impersonating. And considering how local most polling places are, it’s very possible. “What? You’re not Jim. He lives down the street from me!” And you’re going to jail.

    5) You have to be able to imitate the person’s signature.

    And if you get by with all that, you get ONE extra vote.

    Who the hell would do that?

    • Michelle Rhoades

      Most existing voter fraud (which obviously isn’t much) involves voting using someone very recently deceased. But even then problems 4 and 5 still are valid.

      • cattnipp

        They did find one case of voter fraud that had been going on for a little over 5 years when identified………. The live-in girlfriend of a respected member of the Republican Party continued to vote ‘absentee’ for 5 years after her demise….. I believe she agreed to stop doing so and no charges were filed.

  • Mike Williams

    Good thing they didn’t investigate in Chicago….

    “Vote early, vote often, death is not an excuse.”

    • Connie Crusher

      What is the right wing addiction to Chicago? I mean really, you nuts get a bone and hold on like a starving dog. Get over yourself.

      • http://www.flickr.com/photos/my2_cents/ My2Cents

        It is where Obama lived when he burst all the TPOG bubbles

      • DoubleDogDiogenes

        Just the usual racism because of a black president. Nothing new there.

      • ns4853

        As they say, if you are losing the argument, yell “racist.”

      • Bud Tuggli

        And as they also say, if you are losing the argument, yell “libtard” and walk away from the thread. You’re not fooling anyone here, ns. You have nothing but your own fevered imagination as a reference source here.

      • alphadeus

        If you cant attack the message attack the messenger…they cant stop the people from liking the none republican viewpoint so they pick on the president..he’s not American..but Rupert Murdock is, he’s not white, but Marco Rubio is, he wasn’t born in America but Ted Cruz was…..they hate the president as much as they love the riches money

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        It’s a harmless joke left over from the old Daley Machine. Doesn’t happen anymore. Daley’s kid did a reasonable job.

      • Mike Williams

        This guy has it right.

      • Mike Williams

        It’s a Chicago thing. If you don’t get it, then your not reading your history books. I’ll give you a hint. Dirty politics was refined to an art form in Chicago. Perhaps it is you who should get over yourself.
        Just so there is no doubt. Go Bears, Bulls, Cubs, and Sox.
        I grew up in a Chicago suburb called Illinois.

      • ns4853

        Brush up on the history of Chicago and what is going on there today.

    • Ton_Chrysoprase

      You really don’t learn, do you? Each an every investigation in the matter has turned out that voter fraud is a) rare and b) perpetrated almost exclusively by Republicans.

      • Mike Williams

        Yeah, I really learn. I learned that you know nothing of Chicago’s political history, and have absolutely no clue that it was a humorous remark to a ridiculous political landscape in Florida.

    • Ton_Chrysoprase

      You really don’t learn, do you? Each an every investigation in the matter has turned out that voter fraud is a) rare and b) perpetrated almost exclusively by Republicans.

    • jdubhub68

      The investigators would find a straw man.

  • lestye

    Actually, if you read the article from the link…there were over 100 cases of voter registration fraud committed in at least 4 counties, by the GOP’s vendor, hired to canvas communities and get people registered. Then again, these were the ones that were caught, by election officials, because the forms were so sloppily filled out. How many more were more carefully completed and didn’t get flagged as questionable?

    • cattnipp

      To be fair….. questionable does NOT equal fraud….. my writing is barely legible due to tremor. While I could understand someone saying my form was questionable it would NOT be fraud.

      • lestye

        Absolutely, cattnipp…a shaky signature isn’t fraud. But when registration workers, working for the GOP, turned in 10-20 forms per day with the signatures in the same handwriting…and with non-existent addresses…that’s fraud.

    • alphadeus

      Voter suppression in florida by the GOP for having 180,000 people unable to vote as they GOP believed they were not legal, felons or out of staters was the real thing that needed investigating..especially as they all came from high minority areas..that the oldest and most likely to fail voting machines went to these areas and that the GOP who run the states have never talked about upgrading the machines for nice new ‘unable to be conned’ machines in these areas, why?
      You can bet if it were high right wing counties they’d have those machines fixed and triple checked before the vote started and if a machine broke down during voting they’d have the supreme court replace them in about 10 minutes while they serves coffee and donuts to the waiting voters to make sure they didn’t leave or get sweaty waiting

  • lestye

    Actually, if you read the article from the link…there were over 100 cases of voter registration fraud committed in at least 4 counties, by the GOP’s vendor, hired to canvas communities and get people registered. Then again, these were the ones that were caught, by election officials, because the forms were so sloppily filled out. How many more were more carefully completed and didn’t get flagged as questionable?

  • DoubleDogDiogenes

    Voter suppression is high treason. Feel free to remind you local Republicans of that fact!

    • James Daley

      Facts…………republicans aren’t really down with that!!!!

  • Sideswiper

    Anybody –
    Name one election in Florida that could or would have been changed by the only TWO (2) cases of actual voter registration fraud that were found by Florida Department of Law Enforcement? – Please explain in detail how these cases might have influenced elections and provide the vote count as evidence that they would have effected the outcome of any election held in Florida.

    • cattnipp

      I can name one that may have had a different result if there were not Florida National Guardsmen pointing weapons at people in certain voting districts and telling them they had no business at the polls…. 2 poling places torn down the night before voting was to take place and a dozen ballot boxes not even retrieved, the election officials telling the church pastors they did not need those ballots —— but when the Democrats asked for these things to be looked into the GOP screamed about the democratic process and wasted money so loud that the Supreme Court choose to give the election to G.W. Bush.

      • ns4853

        Can you give specifics about what you claim?

      • Bud Tuggli

        LOL! My man, you have big brass ones to be able to make this statement with a straight face after all the fact-denying you’ve been doing.

      • ns4853

        I’m still waiting for the facts. Stop avoiding the issues.

      • Austin Gag

        The biggest problems in the Florida election you’re talking about were:
        1. Crappy Ballots- The positioning of the punches and what the punches actually meant were just confusing.
        2. Weird Punches- Some punches weren’t through the whole way, others had been depressed but weren’t punched through, others had been left hanging from the ballot card.

        #1 Couldn’t be fixed w/o another election
        #2 Was “fixed” by throwing out the “non-perfect” ballots, which statistically shouldn’t affect the outcome. IE: If you have an even mixture of flour and sugar and you remove half of it, both halves still retain the same percentage flour vs. sugar.

      • cattnipp

        except when looked into the ‘weird punch’ ballots were 3 to 1 clearly marked for Gore

      • Austin Gag

        My point was that statistically, the weird punches should have represented an equivalent distribution of the whole. (That is unless for some reason, those who voted for Gore were worse at punching a hole)

      • Kevin Currier

        Except that people aren’t uniform. Members of the same community, ethnicity or culture have a tendency to think or vote the same way, and dissenters tend to be outliers statistically. This is the reason that gerrymandering the districts works so well: grab one or two communities that vote the way you do not want, and surround them in the district with more communities that vote the way you do want, and you have a district that reliably votes the way you want while effectively eliminating some of the votes for the opposition.

      • Austin Gag

        Correct people are not uniform, but one’s political opinion and someone punching the ballot wrong are two independent events. IE: If a population is split 50/50 rep/dem and 50% of the population incorrectly punched their ballot then statistically saying ~%25 of the incorrect ballots are rep and ~%25 are dem.

  • anuran

    Coming soon: Literacy tests, Poll taxes and proof that you’re a Real American, not just a “14th Amendment ‘citizen’ “

    • daclhill

      I thought you ws going to say “Real Republican”.

    • cattnipp

      Some states are saying the only REAL proof of citizenship is a US passport………. (the bonus being that only the well to do can afford one)

      • ns4853

        Only the well-to-do can afford a passport? Really! I hope you are more informed when you vote than when when you post… but I doubt it.

      • Bud Tuggli

        “I hope you are more informed when you vote than when when you post… but I doubt it.”
        You took the words right out of my mouth when I was getting ready to respond to you, ns.

      • cattnipp

        I am disabled and there is no way I can afford a passport…… your conclusion that this makes me stupid is rude and classist….. but of course you are not of the ilk to believe you are “better than”

      • cattnipp

        I am disabled and there is no way I can afford a passport…… your conclusion that this makes me stupid is rude and classist

      • ns4853

        I think you’ve been dipping into your cat’s catnip.

      • cattnipp

        and I think you are only happy(?) if you can behave in a hateful manner towards others and believe that folks who do not agree with you should not be allowed to live and breathe….. good day sir

      • Kevin Currier

        Passports can often cost the equivalent of a week’s groceries, and you wouldn’t get one in the first place unless you were able to afford going on a trip somewhere outside the country (which means you’re able to afford transportation, currency exchange fees, hotels, various fees from whatever brought you outside the country to start with…)

  • Steve mcsteve

    Why is there an ad to refund obamacare in the middle of this article?

    • Steve mc Steve

      *defund

    • theabby

      I think there are different ads for each person…

  • http://www.spinnwebe.com/ spinn

    WHAT! TWO!

    Let’s immediately disrupt and disenfranchise as many voters as we can! Those two cases should no go unheeded! I don’t care if we need to make it difficult for 100,000 other voters, THIS! WILL! NOT! STAND!

  • Alan Porcella

    Long lines at the voting booth discourage way more voters than anything else, and that is where Republicans are really focusing their attention. While everyone is worrying about ID’s. Republicans are busy making sure voting waiting in line times are at least 8 hours long when it comes to Democrat leaning Districts. 15 minutes max in Republican ones.

  • alphadeus

    As we have control of the states from the last election then we should as liberals level the playing field and disenfranchise the rich and the corporations, the lobby groups and the superpacs…and do it all in the name of legality…by the time the right get them overturned it would have crosses 2016…its not voter fraud if the right do it..so as we are in government its not voter fraud then either…is it?

  • labman57

    Florida has a multi-faceted game plan to disenfranchise certain voters. One tactic has been the culling of registration forms, seeking to invalidate applications based on a purely political agenda.

    Targeting registered voters from demographic groups which traditionally vote for the opposition party candidates — under the guise of eliminating non-existent voter fraud — is the wrong side of history.

    Florida’s bout with electoral bulimia is a policy desperately in search of a justification.

  • labman57

    The (publicly stated) rationale for all of the restrictive voter ID laws emanating from Republican-controlled state legislatures — “voter fraud”.

    There is a world of difference between voting fraud (i.e., fraud perpetrated by the voter at the precincts on election day) and voter registration fraud. There is very little evidence for the former in the U.S. (other than that being perpetrated by O’Keefe’s not-ready-for-prime-time players), yet conservatives are hell bent on enacting legislation to combat it, suggesting an ulterior motive is at play.

    Mailing out voter registration forms to non-eligible or nonexistent individuals is not, in of itself, election fraud. Completing and submitting said forms is a form of election fraud, but these acts would not affect an election unless the regional election authorities validated the registrations and then somebody actually attempted to vote using this fake registration.

    If Republicans sincerely want to tackle real election fraud, then they should focus their efforts on deceptive practices used to prevent some citizens from voting, as well as what happens to the votes after they are cast.

    In other words, election fraud DOES exist … except that the fraudulent party is rarely the voter:

    - it is the political party tactician who attempts to mislead a subset of the public with respect to date and/or location of the voting process, or the hired thug who attempts to intimidate selected citizens who show up to vote,

    - it is the opposition party’s tactical team which fronts faux candidates to run against an authentic party candidate in state primary elections,

    - it is the contracted or county voter registration worker who throws out registration forms, or the state official who decides that some registration forms or provisional ballots “appear” to be fraudulent (e.g.., the last name ends in “-ez”),

    - and it is the local election official who conveniently misplaces ballots or runs out of ballots at precincts that traditionally vote Democrat.

    With respect to the voter ID legislation being pushed forth by Republican-controlled state legislatures, GOP legislators should simply cut to the chase and proclaim that the only Americans who have a legitimate right to vote are those who are registered members of the Republican Party.

  • Carolyn Clark

    Greed is a mental illness. Republicans are mentally ill. Their heads are in the sand.

    • ns4853

      Stupidity is often curable but democrats just don’t seem to want to take the time or make the effort to improve their thinking. And apparently some liberals have their heads up their horses butts.

      • Marine1

        It’s interesting, and very telling, that when confronted with facts Republicans resort name calling, scare tactics, obfuscation, lies and deceit. They have no platform, and they have nothing, no accomplishments to flout, other than obstructing our President to try and make him fail because that is all they can do. With no agenda, no accomplishments, no history other than lying, cheating, stealing and trying to scare everyone to vote them, they are losers.

      • ns4853

        Lots of accusations, no proof. Funny thing is, you’re accusing republicans of just the things that dumbocrats are noted for.

      • Bud Tuggli

        You haven’t offered proof of *anything you’ve alleged, ns. We all know why you can’t and/or won’t. Why don’t you just go back to whacking off to your pictures of Ann Coulter? Or is Sean Hannity more to your style?

      • ns4853

        Typical Obama administration tactic. When you don’t have any ammunition, insult or try to discredit the enemy. You must have gotten that out of Saul Olinsky’s book, Rules for Radicals.

      • Bud Tuggli

        All right, NonSense. I don’t have to insult you to make you look silly. Just offer some verifiable proof of the claims you make – and that automatically excludes WorldNetDaily, the Drudge Report, and anything from Free Republic – and I’ll retract my statement. You have called a number of other posters to this thread by various repetitive names but I guess I’m not surprised you can’t take it when someone else brings the heat. So, as I’ve said before, NonSense – offer proof of your claims or GTFO.

  • suburbancuurmudgeon

    There’s a simple solution that Australia implemented:
    Everyone is registered to vote.
    You get fined if you don’t vote.

    • James Daley

      That would be a great idea……..

      I can see the headlines now in the conservative media:

      Obama Vote……it’s taking away your freedom and raising taxes

      I want the freedom not to vote cause I’m a “REAL AMERICAN”

      Obama & Dems will take your freedom away and make you pay the IRS.

  • Marine1

    New Nationwide Study of Election Fraud Since 2000 Finds Just 10 Cases of In-Person Voter Fraud Sunday, 19 August 2012 09:29 By Brad Friedman

    Exhaustive analysis finds fraud that might be deterred by polling place photo ID restrictions “virtually non-existent.”

    A new nationwide analysis of 2,068 alleged election-fraud cases since 2000 shows that while fraud has occurred, the rate is infinitesimal, and in-person voter impersonation on Election Day, which prompted 37 state legislatures to enact or consider tough voter ID laws, is virtually non-existent.

    In an exhaustive public records search, reporters from the investigative reporting project “News21″ sent thousands of requests to elections officers in all 50 states, asking for every case of fraudulent activity including registration fraud, absentee ballot fraud, vote buying, false election counts, campaign fraud, casting an ineligible vote, voting twice, voter impersonation fraud and intimidation.

    Analysis of the resulting comprehensive News21 election fraud database turned up 10 cases of voter impersonation. With 146 million registered voters in the United States during that time, those 10 cases represent one out of about every 15 million prospective voters.

    10 cases. 10 cases of in-person voter impersonation that might have been deterred by polling place Photo ID restrictions — restrictions which, according to study after study, could keep as many as 22 million perfectly legal eligible voters from being able to cast their legal vote.

    But, again, the Republicans who have been enacting these laws are doing it for exactly that reason: to keep those who are most likely to lack the type of state-issued Photo ID required to vote under these new restrictions — the elderly, minorities, the poor and students (read: Democratic-leaning voters) — from being able to cast their legal vote.

    For those in the corporate mainstream media still unaware of what this is called (this includes you, NPR), it’s called Voter Suppression.

    And this exhaustive new study, once again, makes that case crystal clear…

    The ‘voter fraud’ fraud

    There is much to take from the new analysis, including a searchable database of all known election fraud cases in the country since 2000, detailing the type of fraud involved.

    Here are a few highlights from the study by News21, a program of the Carnegie Corporation and the John S. and James L. Knight Foundation, headquartered at the Walter Cronkite School of Journalism and Mass Communication at Arizona State University.

    In-person impersonation fraud — the only type of voter fraud that can even possibly be deterred by polling place Photo ID restrictions — is incredibly rare, and the least likely way to commit voter fraud.

    According to the study, of the few cases of voter fraud across the nation since 2000, “fewer than five tenths of one percent of the total cases in the News21 analysis are voter impersonation.”

    The News21 database shows one of the rare instances of voter-impersonation fraud occurred in Londonderry, N. H., in 2004 when 17-year-old Mark Lacasse used his father’s name to vote for George W. Bush in the Republican presidential primary. The case was dismissed after Lacasse performed community service.

    The database shows the nine other voter impersonation cases were in Alabama, California, Colorado, Kansas and Texas. All were isolated and showed no coordinated efforts to change election results.

    Absentee ballot voter fraud

    Where voter fraud is a problem, it’s almost always done by Absentee Voting. “This is one of the most frequent instances of fraud,” the News21 analysis finds [emphasis ours]:

    There is more fraud in absentee ballots and voter registration than any other categories. The analysis shows 491 cases of absentee ballot fraud and 400 cases of registration fraud. A required photo ID at the polls would not have prevented these cases. “The one issue I think is potentially important, though more or less ignored, is the overuse of absentee balloting, which provides far more opportunity for fraud and intimidation than on-site voter fraud,” said Daniel Lowenstein, a UCLA School of Law professor.

    Felons or noncitizens sometimes register to vote or cast votes because they are confused about their eligibility. The database shows 74 cases of felons voting and 56 cases of noncitizens voting.

    We have long argued against the push for absentee voting and/or Vote-by-Mail that both of the major political parties continue to advocate for, since it allows them to micromanage their own voters to increase turnout, etc. Unfortunately, it makes it makes it much harder for the citizenry to oversee the accurate tabulation of those votes, and also creates striking additional security concerns. Such as it is, however, this report underscores again that where actual voter fraud is a concern in this country, it is by and large via absentee voting that it is accomplished. Republican polling place Photo ID restrictions, however — passed under the guise of deterring “voter fraud” — do absolutely nothing about adding security for absentee votes.

    Moreover, voting by felons and noncitizens, which is rare, but frequently done accidentally when it occurs — since the laws for felon voting are different in each state, and noncitizens are occasionally handed voter registration forms when obtaining driver’s licenses — is also not curbed by polling place Photo ID restrictions, since both former felons and non-citizens are usually allowed to obtain state-issued driver’s licenses that can then be used for voting purposes.

    Insider fraud

    As we have also asserted for many years, where election fraud occurs, it is usually not regular old voters who do it — since the risks of huge fines and long prison sentences make the risk of casting one illegal vote incredibly stupid and virtually worthless. Rather, it is election insiders and campaign officials who are most likely to carry out coordinated schemes to defraud elections. The analysis by News21 “shows 185 election fraud cases linked to campaign officials or politicians involving absentee or mail-in ballots.”

    Furthermore, the ability to commit fraud via absentee ballot is also much greater than the very risky notion of in-person impersonation, since, as John Fortier of the Bipartisan Policy Center notes in the News21 study, “the person casting the ballot can be pressured or coerced.”

    Again, the GOP polling place Photo ID restrictions being enacted around the country — even if we were to pretend they have anything to do with deterring voter fraud (and they do not) — do absolutely nothing to actual deter fraud and vote buying and selling via absentee ballot. That is no accident. These laws have nothing to do with deterring fraud and everything to do with enhancing the suppression of legal voters.

    Republican National Lawyers Association fraud

    One last point. We first began covering the voter suppression beat, in earnest, shortly after the 2004 election when we were the first to identify a high-level Republican astroturf group calling themselves the “non-partisan” American Center for Voting Rights (ACVR), as operatives of the Bush White House and the RNC. Specifically, the ACVR was headed up by a man named Thor Hearne who had served as the General Counsel for Bush/Cheney ’04, Inc., and as a star of the Republican National Lawyers Association (RNLA), before pretending to become a “long time voting rights advocate.”

    The job of the ACVR was to create blatant propaganda to help make the case for the polling place Photo ID restriction we are now seeing in many states. After the ACVR was outed as a GOP voter suppression scam organization, and forced to disband, the RNLA took up much of the slack in creating false “voter fraud” propaganda for incurious wingnuts and Fox “News” fans to eat up.

    Often, when Rightwingers are forced to offer evidence for their unsubstantiated claims of “massive Democratic voter fraud”, they’ll point to the page set up by the RNLA to detail such allegations, even though, if one bothers to read it, it does not contain what it pretends to contain.

    That page, you’ll be shocked to learn, was also found to be a fraud by the News21 analysis:

    Voter-impersonation fraud has attracted intense attention in recent years as conservatives and Republicans argue that strict voter ID laws are needed to prevent widespread fraud.

    The case has been made repeatedly by the Republican National Lawyers Association, one of whose missions is to advance “open, fair and honest elections.” It has compiled a list of 375 election fraud cases, based mostly on news reports of alleged fraud.

    News21 examined the RNLA cases in the database and found only 77 were alleged fraud by voters. Of those, News21 could verify convictions or guilty pleas in only 33 cases. The database shows no RNLA cases of voter-impersonation fraud.

    So, in short, the page created by the RNLA to help push for polling place Photo ID restrictions, offers absolutely no evidence of the type of fraud that might be deterred by polling place Photo ID restrictions.

    Who coulda guessed it? Oh, yeah. Us. For years.

    So we have yet another study, officially finding what we have known, and argued here for years. But it’s good to have still more independent corroboration, and the wide breadth of this study, and its very helpful searchable database, are certainly most welcome.

  • James Daley

    The problem I see is when this legislation was being put forward why didn’t the democratic legislators in those states affected, the DNC and for that matter the media should have made an issue out of this while the GOP was drafting this legislation. The million dollar question should have been “Before this legislation is to be voted on or passed, Please provide ironclad proof that this is a problem, how did it affect the last few elections, and how many cases have been proven or prosecuted”? If those democratic legislators put up a protest or objection and held the GOP’s feet to the fire to prove this is a problem we would not be here today. As much as I think this is wrong, the democratic legislators in those states have no one to blame but themselves for this getting traction and passed. Enacting major restrictions and hardships to citizens for the purposes of voting is a major deal. When no proof of this fraud exists in the severity that is being stated by the GOP. There should be some kind of investigation or consequences paid for this misinformation. So why is there none? The answer is that many democratic legislators don’t have the balls or backbone to stand up to the crazies in the GOP. If they had, this wouldn’t have happened. The Dems and sane voters need to realize the GOP doesn’t want to govern, they want to rule. This just makes that reality more possible.

  • James Daley

    Another thing about voting is why doesn’t the congress pass a law requiring voting to be on the weekends and early voting everywhere. The fact this country votes on a Tuesday is the stupidest thing in the world. Super Tuesday could become Super Saturday.

  • Joe

    The one thing I never understand about articles like this is the fact that true ‘fraud’ isn’t the issue. The primary issue people have is illegal immigrants voting, or people that should otherwise not have voting rights (certain criminals, visa holders, long term visitors, etc.). It isn’t quite outright ‘fraud’ in these cases, but it is impossible to accurately gauge or investigate. Why is this such a difficult concept to understand?

  • Al Mahany

    So why are these white collar criminals not being prosecuted by the Justice Department? They are stealing our democracy and giving it to their Wall Street buddies.

  • ns4853

    Just wondering: How many of you Forward Progressives believe that those here in this country ILLEGALLY should have the right to vote just like a LEGAL citizen?

    • ns4853

      Amazing. Not one of the Forward Progressives here want to comment on this issue. None want to say that illegals and non-citizens should not be allowed to vote but yet you are quick to say you are against safe-guarding the voting system. How are you going to stop illegals and non-citizens from voting if you don’t safe-guard the system? I doubt any of you will come up with a cohesive answer. How about just using the honor system. Bet you like that idea.

      • Bud Tuggli

        No one wants to see illegal votes cast, ns. That includes votes cast by people who claim one of their children’s basements as their primary residence.
        The fact that voter fraud is so rare proves that the system worked before it was ham-handedly monkeyed with in order to suppress certain “classes” of voters.

      • ns4853

        Cut through the crap. Just answer the question: Should those here in this country ILLEGALLY have the right to vote just like a LEGAL citizen?

      • Bud Tuggli

        I’ve already answered that question, NonSense. There are already adequate safeguards in place to prevent those people who should not be voting from casting votes. If you can prove this statement is factually incorrect, I invite you to provide a verifiable link to actual data that does so. Otherwise, NonSense, as I’ve said before – GTFO.

  • TwitPalin

    That’s awesome. freaking scumbags

  • ns4853

    I want to thank everyone on this site for their input. I really enjoyed getting all you left-wing wackos all worked up. It was good for a laugh or two to see you try to cover up your stupidity by trying to explain your idiotic, irrational thinking. Your love for Obama and his cronies has reached such extremes that your minds have become warped and your thinking has fogged to where you no longer can put together cohesive thoughts. Again, thanks for a good time. I’m going to love to watch as Obama eventually is exposed for what he really is… a fraud, a liar, and a typical Chicago thug who has covered his tracks so well that he has made complete fools of all of you naive sheep bastards and suckered you into falling for what Clint Eastwood called, “…… the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people.”

  • doridori

    SO! One Republican off to jail.. RIGHT? Right? right?????

  • David Dill

    Let’s also note the lack of extra voting days or extended poll hours in only certain districts that were once there.

  • Viktor Yuschenko

    Wow you folks are BLIND and IGNORANT, bunch of haters.
    All them dead people voting for Obummer, and the Black Panthers intimidating voters in Philly.
    Y’all need to get off the KoolAid and WAKE UP!

  • Imtoooldforthis

    Doesn’t matter what party a person is with. Two cases of voter fraud is two too many. If a Republican does it or a Democrat does it they need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.