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Cliven Bundy Epitomizes Nearly Everything That’s Wrong with Conservatives

10247315_812002555495002_900954080383577581_n-2Cliven Bundy is nothing more than a mentally unstable individual who doesn’t want to pay the fees he’s accumulated for the laws he’s repeatedly violated.  He’s also becoming quite the conservative icon.  Why is he becoming an icon?  Because he’s an anti-government whack job who’s gathered other anti-government whack jobs on his land in the truest form of the ridiculous right-wing mantra of “Come and take it!”  A group of armed fools honestly believing that a handful of guns can really stop the federal government if the government decides to use hostile force.

Most conservatives have no idea why the federal government has a problem with him, all they know is that he’s anti-government and he’s “standing up to the government corruption.”

But what this really breaks down to is Cliven Bundy doesn’t want to follow the laws, because he wouldn’t benefit off free land to graze on if he did.  He’s trying to claim that he doesn’t recognize the federal government’s claim over these lands, even though several court rulings have sided with the federal government.  It’s absolutely ridiculous. 

He wants to be able to have his cattle graze on these lands that he doesn’t own, all while profiting off the cattle that illegally graze on these lands.

As he’s continued to do this over the years he’s been continually fined by the government for his illegal grazing.  Now his battle with the government has essentially come to an end with two separate court orders telling him to remove his cattle and to not “physically interfere with any seizure or impoundment operation.”

And now he’s throwing a last-ditch hissy fit before he either ultimately pays his fines or face the consequences of not paying them.

I would like to point out the irony of someone claiming that land they don’t own “isn’t the government’s land” while living in a country that was founded by a government which essentially took most of its land from Native Americans.

But isn’t this typical for Republicans?  They love bashing the government and talking about “taking personal responsibility,” yet here we have this clown violating federal laws because he doesn’t want to take personal responsibility for himself and wants to make a profit off cattle that are illegally grazing on land that isn’t his.

How “patriotic,” right?

They talk about what this nation was founded on, while forgetting that this nation was founded on slavery and genocide.  That at this nation’s birth, women couldn’t vote, people owned other human beings and we were actively stealing land from people who were already living on it.

Somehow they think being “patriotic” means hating the very government that our Constitution created simply because some of our federal laws don’t support their warped delusional view of what this country should be.

You see this when it comes to abortion rights, gay rights or true religious freedom – as in the freedom to practice religion privately, and the freedom from someone else’s religion being forced on others.  Then suddenly many of these “anti-government” activists love big government.

But Cliven Bundy is an absolute jackass.

Think about this for a moment.  Upon learning that the government might be coming to forcibly seize his cattle, and knowing that he had armed supporters coming to his aid, he then brought all of his children and grandchildren to his ranch.  So what if violence had broken out?  What if his armed support staff decided to open fire?  What if the conflict had escalated into an all out firefight?

Well thanks to Bundy being a scumbag, all of his children and grandchildren would have been there and put in harm’s way.  And this doesn’t even cover the reports about some of these people planning to use women as human shields so that they could be seen on television being mowed down.

Isn’t he just a great guy?  Nothing like possibly putting all of your grandchildren in harm’s way because you’re refusing to take personal responsibility for your continued violation of federal laws.

Because again, that’s what this all boils down to.  Bundy has greatly benefitted from his cattle illegally grazing and he doesn’t want to pay the fees that he rightfully owes.

This isn’t a “patriotic stand against injustice.”  This is just some right-wing asshole who doesn’t want to pay the fees he’s accumulated for repeatedly violating federal laws.

It’s typical Republican behavior.  They love to act like they’re some “Constitutional patriots” while bashing the very government the Constitution founded.  All while doing everything they can to violate the laws which that Constitution gives the government power to create and enforce.

That is until they want the government to pass some kind of laws restricting rights for specific groups of people they don’t feel should have those rights, then they become big fans of the government.

The bottom line is, Bundy has repeatedly violated the law.  The courts have sided with the federal government and he currently owes (according to the Bureau of Land Management) around $1 million in fees.  And when all is said and done, Bundy’s going to lose.

He’s not a hero, a patriot or any other adjective conservatives want to label him as. He’s just a right-wing nut job who’s repeatedly violated the law, has profited off of those repeated violations and doesn’t want to pay the fees that he’s rightfully accumulated.

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  • Jim Bean

    What a preposterous and desperate for attention title. Bundy represents one person militantly resisting his tax obligation out of more than a hundred million (Conservatives). And this comes from the camp that reelects Al Sharpton even though he’s failed to pay millions in taxes. The hypocrisy of the Left is boundless. And, the ‘country wasn’t founded by the government.’ It was founded by people like Bundy who were ousting the British federal government.

    • Reince’s Preibus

      Al Sharpton isn’t an elected official you derppuppy. Even if he where what does Al Sharpton have to do with anything? Are you suggesting that if one bank robber gets away with robbing a bank then they all should? It’s a ridiculous argument. Second there is currently no judgements against Al Sharpton for unpaid tax. Although there certainly will be if The National Action Network doesn’t pay up. So would it be okey dokey with you if armed liberals showed up to defend The National Action Network when the IRS actually does take them to court and a judgement is levied against them? Will the “militias” that were pointing guns as US officials show up to defend The National Action Network? I highly doubt it.

      • Rosegarten

        It’s called projection. Republicans are good at projecting to avoid responsibility. It is one of the ploys of satan.

      • modera8

        And I just thought they were stupid. Hmm.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        let them keep pointing guns at officials and when the military show up watch ‘em run like rabbits
        ============================================
        jimbo is just a drunken pissed off old white guy

    • RichPan

      The constitution was written a very long time after the revolution was won. The constitution marks the “founding” of the nation. One thing can be said. The absolute lack of historical knowledge is consistent from the jack-ass who is the center of the story all the way to the douche who defends him online. Do us all a favor and take two minutes away from whatever you normally do and google “US History”… goober.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        jimbo is seriously alcoholic and very unhappy

      • Jim Bean

        The Constitution was written during the Philadelphia Convention—now known as the Constitutional Convention—which convened from May 25 to September 17, 1787. It was signed on September 17, 1787.

        The Treaty of Paris, signed on September 3, 1783, ended the American Revolutionary War between Great Britain on one side and the United States of America …

        Four years is not a ‘very long time’, Goober. (And 19 liberals liked your comment because they didn’t know any better either.)

      • RichPan

        Nice … I got you to actually search up some real info. OK …lesson 2 …. this is fun, right? Much better then trolling with all that fox garbage. Now do a search for “Shays’ Rebellion”. It’s the reason why the 2nd amendment exists. Because all those godly founding fathers weren’t “empowering patriots”. They were putting down rebellions and had no standing army. They needed an “organized militia” to deal with idiots like Bundy and his band of “armed patriots”. If Bundy were doing the same thing under the founding fathers they would have stepped on his head as fast as they could. Because … and get ready for this goober … they were pro-federal government. That’s why they wrote a constitution in the first place. I know that the facts don’t shine like all that “god-fearing, born and raised patriot, flag waving” mythology that gets your eggs all tingly feeling, but people who throw around the term “patriot” should know historical facts about their own country and not just some sensational folk-tales. Ignorance should not be allowed to hijack the American identity. It is an insult to what you claim to love.

      • Jim Bean

        Wrong again. The intent of the 2nd Amendment is to enable the people to protect themselves from their own government. You need to spend more time searching and learning and less time pontificating on what you think you were born knowing.

        “I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is
        the best and most effectual way to enslave them.” George Mason, Co-author of the Second
        Amendment during Virginia’s Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788

        “A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves …” Richard Henry Lee
        writing in Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republic, Letter XVIII, May, 1788.
        “… the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private
        arms” Philadelphia Federal Gazette June 18, 1789, Pg. 2, Col. 2 Article on the Bill of Rights

      • RichPan

        And this what they actually wrote … meaning this is your Constitution. On the powers of Congress over the “well regulated militias”
        Article One
        Section 8
        “To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
        To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
        To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;”
        Article Two
        Section 2
        “The President shall be Commander in Chief
        of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States;”

        As these militias were called and used on the successfully repelled “Whiskey Rebellion” a few years later. George mason and Richard Henry Lee sure write some nifty quotes that make you want to just stand up shoot off a round into the air. But … again … Bundy’s little “rebellion” would have been squashed back then. And for someone to write something like “It was founded by people like Bundy who were ousting the British federal government.” speaks for itself. I guess searching the dates for the Constitutional Convention and the end of the Revolutionary War is the best I’ll get out of you. No Shays’ Rebellion research? Oh well… it was worth a shot. So long goober ;)

      • Jim Bean

        Given that you thought the Constitution was written a great many years after the Revolutionary War, its probably safe to assume you don’t know who was fighting against who, and why, during that war. Consequently, its easy to see how you might be fooled into thinking that the victors would write laws that would prevent them from ever repeating that victory again, should the need arise.

      • Qpublik

        who was fighting against “whom”, not who

      • Jim Bean

        The Constitution was written during the Philadelphia Convention—now known as the Constitutional Convention—which convened from May 25 to September 17, 1787. It was signed on September 17, 1787.

        The Treaty of Paris, signed on September 3, 1783, ended the American Revolutionary War between Great Britain on one side and the United States of America …

        Four years is not a ‘very long time’

    • suburbancuurmudgeon

      What has Sharpton been elected to?

      • Jim Bean

        Be a spokesperson for Leftism.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        that’s not elected
        /////////////////////////////////////////////
        keep drinking and crying jimbo…. and let us know how poorly the ACA is doing

      • Jim Bean

        How many different monikers do you post under?

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        3,227

    • PRIME79

      Don’t forget the Native Americans. They were also ousted by people like Bundy in the founding of this country.

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      hey jimbo
      ………………..don’t pay your taxes or electric bill or insurance or anything and see how u fare
      ===================================================
      NOTE: I don’t like Sharpton; but at least he isn’t as trashy as scumbag bundy

  • Matthew Reece

    “He’s trying to claim that he doesn’t recognize the federal government’s claim over these lands, even though several court rulings have sided with the federal government. It’s absolutely ridiculous.”

    Those “several court rulings” were made by judges employed by the federal government. In any situation not involving the government, this would be recognized as a conflict of interest and the decision of such judges would be considered invalid. Also note that no government has legitimately acquired any property; governments only possess what their agents can steal.

    • Andy Kinnard

      …whuch would leave absolutely no one in possession of land rights. How, exactly would THAT work?

      What would be the proper legal authority if not the Federal Courts. That IS how our legal system is structured. If you don’t like it, suggest a superiorr model and aggitate for that change, but don’t pretend your socio-cultural ideology somehow negates the authority of the Federal Court system.

      • Matthew Reece

        The federal court system has no legitimate authority over anyone who does not consent to be bound by its decisions. Any authority beyond that is derived from force of arms and threats of theft, kidnapping, and/or murder.

        A proper legal system would be one of private arbitration where judges must compete with each other, and those who make the fairest decisions get the most requests to hear cases. It must also be voluntarily funded rather than funded with stolen money (aka taxes).

      • CopperLion

        What a delusional load of tripe, Matthew Reece!
        If the legal system were privately funded, the one who pays the most wins the case. Profit motive undermines the mere concept of equal justice under the law.
        As for judges competing? You don’t see how that creates a major conflict of interest? You don’t see how that leads to endless cycles of litigation, where one party isn’t happy with the judgment of one court, so they find another court which will decide in their favor, and the pandering continues until one party or the other runs out of money to plead their case?
        If you want to make use of government services, you voluntarily submit to taxation. If you do not submit to taxation, the government has the right to seize the property you lease from them, and provide that property to someone who will submit to taxation. The government does not steal what is rightfully theirs. If you choose not to pay for the services you have already used, the government has the right and responsibility to obtain something of equal value for those services.
        If you truly believe “might makes right,” suggesting that authority is “derived from force of arms and threats of theft, kidnapping, and/or murder,” then you, sir, are nothing more than an ignorant thug. How do you function in civilized society, where “force of arms and threats of theft, kidnapping, and/or murder” will put you in prison? Are you really so naieve as to think that violence is equivalent to authority?

      • Eddie Krebbs

        “The federal court system has no legitimate authority over anyone who does not consent to be bound by its decisions. ”

        Uh, try commiting a federal crime. Any federal crime will do. Then tell that one to the judge. Please be sure to videotape the judge’s face as you try this legal argument so the video can go viral – you might even make a few cents off the video. For that matter, yesterday was tax day. Did you refuse to file your taxes ?

      • Phil Keast

        People, a word of advice, having been down this road. Entertaining as it may be, on this matter do NOT argue with Mister Reece, you cannot win, since nothing will shift his absolute commitment to anarcho-capitalism and his refusal to recognize the legitimacy of any social organisation that is in any way based on anything other than leaving people alone to do as they see fit.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        he is rather insulated from reality.
        Im willing to wager a whole dollar that sir matthew wont DARE buck up against any federal or state or local laws while being seen
        …………….I do bet if he lives long enough he will readily use the SS funds coming his way

      • Sandy Greer

        Now there you go – spoiling the fun…

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        they have the biggest guns and stiffest army as well as the most rapid response policing
        ========================================
        that; my friend– gives them “authority”

      • Sandy Greer

        Exactly. An Anarchist ought to agree:

        Might makes right. One is only entitled to that which he can take – and hold.

        Cliven Bundy has lived off the largesse of the Feds (us) long enough.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        to quote the fonz,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        ” correct— a -MUNDO”~!!!!!

      • Andy Kinnard

        That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve read all day. You’re (again) advocating for anarchy (or the worst kind). Your second paragraph is pure lunacy (outside of limited civil court litigation about breaches of contract…and we already liberally apply that).

      • Andy Kinnard

        Um, except for the Constitution which is the legal basis for Federal Courts. You’re justifying abuse of the current system by advocating adherence to a Constitutional principle that doesn’t exist and won’t exist unless it were totally re-written. In other words, your assertion is fantasy (albeit one in which you firmly believe).

        So, no, the Fed Courts have legitimate jurisdiction according to the Constitution. You believe an ideal society (i.e., a “proper legal system”) would be different from that, but that’s a totally different point.

      • Matthew Reece

        I reject the legitimacy of the Constitution on the basis that it violates the will theory of contract and the logical right of freedom of association. I advocate abolition of the current system, not abuse thereof.

      • Andy Kinnard

        So, you’re freely admitting to being an anti-patriotic seditionist? Wow.

      • Matthew Reece

        Patriotism is a form of collectivism, nationalism, statism, tribalism, and racism. As an individualist, anarchist, and nominalist, I want no part of it.

    • suburbancuurmudgeon

      Federal land is government land. No conflict of interest there.

      • Matthew Reece

        The judge of the case is part of the same organization as the plaintiff in the case. That is a clear conflict of interest.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        “god” is too busy recovering from the crybabies on sunday to arbitrate this dispute

      • Sandy Greer

        God, you’re so funny, sometimes, LOL

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        thank U sandy— I do try 2 entertain!
        ( and that’s about all I can do as even as we can show the regressive crybabies FACTS ; you and I know that they wont listen),,,,,ergo–
        we go get’ em!!

    • evenstevens

      This is America. Love it or leave it!

  • Matthew Reece

    I am not a consequentialist, but ponder this possible outcome if you will. Bundy loses, and his cattle no longer graze the government-occupied lands. The plant life on these lands, with no cattle to keep it in check, grows large. Then a drought comes, drying out the plants and creating a large amount of flammable material. Then, someone flicks a cigarette out a car window, or an illegal immigrant builds a fire to keep warm at night and fails to put it out, etc. A major brushfire begins that would not have been so bad if the cattle had grazed down the plants.

    • Pipercat

      It’s southern Nevada, extremely low annual rainfall, the land is arid and covered in scrub brush. Lovely drive!

    • modera8

      So we should let anyone do whatever they want to on public land? If people want to put up tents or trailers or live in cars – no problem, it’s public land. Uh, that doesn’t sound like a good idea. This guy is not promoting “freedom”, he wants to do what he wants at the expense of others while making money off of it. That’s stealing.

      • Matthew Reece

        There is no such thing as public property. All legitimate property is private. If it isn’t private, then it is stolen.

      • Alierias

        So, Yellowstone, and every other National Park, The National Mall, the National Seashores, Tomb of the Unknown and every other monument, every city, county and town halls, the highways systems, sewer systems, electrical line right-of-ways, all stolen?
        Stolen from the First Peoples I assume…
        Shall we give them back to the Tribes? They are still here FYI, and pretty sure THEY want yer ass off THEIR LANDS ! And, let’s not forget the “private lands” ALSO were stolen…

      • modera8

        Please excuse Matthew. He’s not very bright. I’ll bet he’s a conservative, too ;)

      • Phil Keast

        Actually, Matthew is very bright, and he’s not a conservative, but an anarcho-capitalist who believes that if no-one is actively using something right this very moment then he has the right to take it as his own to use as he sees fit, maintaining “ownership” of it until such time as someone else takes it away from him. Of course any income generated by the use of the object he has acquired (or resulting from his labors using said object) are entirely his, and to suggest that maybe, quite possibly, he owes someone any recompense for the use of that which he claimed when the (non-)owner was looking the other way is inflammatory and logically incoherent.

        And being a very bright man, Matthew has examined his beliefs and experience using the rigid rules of formalized philosophical debate and concluded that there is, logically, no other rational social organization possible other than anarcho-capitalism, and that this position (opinion) is therefore unimpeachable, since logically, society doesn’t exist.

        A very very bright man. He has a commitment to his position that is both passionate and absolute, and while he and I disagree completely at almost every level, do not mistake him for a fool. We may not be able to agree on anything beyond the fact that the sun rose this morning, although the geographical distance between us means that statement may not have been true for him at the time I made such a statement, but do not underestimate him.

        And no, Matthew, much as I applaud your intelligence and argumentative skills, I’m not in the mood for round 2, let someone else have the pleasure.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        well written and highly accurate…..I also defended( to a point) matthew.
        =====================================
        wow– if he isn’t using his car at a certain time; I can ( to matthew)?

      • ben

        Would I be correct in thinking you are a lawyer?

      • Phil Keast

        Nope, just a mildly bored observer and commentator

      • jon moorehead

        If he were as bright as you claim, he would recognize the flaws of his argument. They also say Scalia is brilliant. I disagree. If one’s whole view point is profoundly flawed, they cannot be considered “bright” as, if they were in point of fact bright, they would not see things as illogically as they do.

      • Charles Vincent

        Societies are voluntary under what Matt believes from what I gather. They are also transient.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        he is smart and not conservative,,,,but insulated from reality

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        really! so public lands stolen from Indians is stolen over a century later?
        wow– then the Asian nomadic Indians who came here stole it from,,,,,,,,,, whom?
        it was “public” then; right???

      • Phil Keast

        In Matthew’s world, there is no such thing as “public”, there is owned and unowned, being used and not being used. The concept of “Public” anything can be philosophically proven to be a contradiction and therefore nonsensical and without meaning.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        agreed,,,, but he is more bucolic than the regressive white trash tea party crybabies who pollute these blogs

      • jenny_whyme

        Stolen from whom?

        Certainly not Mr. Bundy.

        Ah.. let’s give it all back to the Native Americans.

      • cazzy

        I want America to own and oversee the vast public lands! It’s America! I want to drive on open roads, put in by the government, and see open spaces. I want my children and grandchildren to see it too. They have done a good job preserving it so far. It’s the Koch brothers, who are total John Birchers who also don’t recognize America and want it dismantled, to be able to run roughshod on any land they can without giving two shits about our environment, land air or water! You better believe THIS is the real plan, stan!!

      • Matthew Reece

        America does not exist. Each individual person exists.

      • careyt1

        Excuse me?? Then get out of my country. America exists and you anarchists are not turning it into Somalia. Hell no!!

      • Matthew Reece

        There is no such thing as a country, and even if there was, you have no legitimate claim to it. And Somalia is not an example of the kind of anarchism that any anarchist I know of wants to create.

    • Andy Kinnard

      I’m certain the BLM’s scientific experts consider these things.

    • suburbancuurmudgeon

      Yeah and what about all the other areas of the country that don’t have cattle grazing on them? We’re supposed to let him ignore the law?

    • Alierias

      Let me remind you cattle are an invasive species on this continent; there are plenty of native wildlife to ” keep the grass grazed down”

      • Matthew Reece

        They mostly fill the role that bison once did, so while your point is correct, it is rather trivial.

      • Alierias

        Actually it’s not. The way cattle are grazed, actually overgrazed, on BML land is directly connected to the fact that since these “leaseholders” don’t own the land, they have no incentive to actually husband the grass in a sustainable manner.
        Bison, along with horses, pronghorn, elk, mule deer etc, all MOVE while they graze. They take a bite, then a step, look around, take another bite, and so on. They had a territory, before the advent of fences on the range, that spanned hundreds of miles, and one particular patch of grass might have been intensely grazed once a season, as the huge herds migrated around their territory. After the grass was eaten to the ground, the prairie chickens, geese, ducks and other birds would swoop down, break up the dung in search of fly larvae, and accelerating the decay of the dung, while adding their own, into plant useable nutrients and humus, thus supporting an entire ecosystem.
        Cattle are fenced in and grazed in one place, exacerbating desertification; they walk into water holes and streams, degrading them and eroding their banks, not to mention that they require far more water than the native species. They also favor the spread of non-native weeds, like cheatgrass.
        Taking cattle off BLM land would be a huge step toward healing the ranges. Restoring the bison would be another, and bison is way tastier and healthier to eat.

      • PRIME79

        Thumbs up x10

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        annoying cerebral overthinker MATTHEW with facts?
        ( I love it)

    • Doug Adams

      I am trying to understand the logic of your comment, “of what if this happens”. Good “God” I live in “Wyoming” and I could go outside and see miles of range land that has been hit with a drought for the last 2 years and nothing, like what you are supposing, has ever happened. But be careful, you could get hit with a car and get hurt. Geez what logic. There are meds that some people take to help with mental problems, consulting with a mental healthy counselor is helpful for many people.

    • FootlooseHorse

      Fire is a natural part of the sage / steppe ecosystem, and in a healthy environment is not considered destructive. Overgrazing by livestock alters the natural balance of various plant types, and allows invasive species (like cheatgrass) to take hold – *increasing* wildfire risk. Allowing this land to heal and return to a more natural state after extended grazing will *reduce* fire danger.

    • Eddie Krebbs

      Imagine this. Baby is born this afternoon. There is a firm statistical chance that baby may grow up and kill someone. Baby might even commit an act of terrorism.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        excellent!!!

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      until it happens it has not happened
      ==============================
      besides; too much vegetation in a DESERT?
      c’mon matthew!!

  • Chuck Lytle

    Sounds kinda like Bundy might be a supporter of welfare…getting something free and not paying taxes…

    • modera8

      Oh, but wait…wouldn’t that make him a hypocrite? ;)

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        nope— by some weird spin he is a patriot
        (see: sean Hannity)

      • Scaramongus

        Sean Hannity is a mental midget pussy that likes to talk tough.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        u must add ” highly paid ” pussy……………….
        as is glenn beck
        as is rush limbaugh
        as is mike huck(ster)abee
        et hoc genus omne

      • Peter Bartlett

        Check out John Stewart’s latest post , Glenn Beck as the voice of reason, too funny!

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        I did and shared it all over my facebook page– as well as saving it in my computer
        poor sean,,,,,,, he/beck/bolling and Limbaugh all have this quip in common:
        ” a waist is a terrible thing 2 mind”

  • Woogie Boogie Carter

    Also just a note, the executive order that was signed implementing the grazing fees on federal land was a Ronald Regean policy. …

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      as NOT seen on FOX “news”

  • kathy

    Isn’t taking up arms against your own country considered treasonous? Arrest them all charge them accordingly.

    • James

      Well, at least that’s not a dangerously slippery slope. What happens when the government is wrong and still resorts to force? Still treason?

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        The government isn’t wrong here. And if it is, we have a court system and ballot box to rectify that.

      • Alierias

        History is written by the winners — our “Founding Fathers” would have been portrayed as “Nativist Terrorists” had they lost the Revolutionary War…

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        correct– history written by victors
        that’s why we view hitler as the worst despot of all time. in reality he is #3
        mao #1
        stalin #2

      • craig

        i’d throw pol pot (?) the Cambodian leader as #3
        hitler as #4 but more people understand hitler because we won the great war. little taught in the schools on the other three.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        im with ya but pol pot killed less people,,,, and hitler did cause more global scare!

      • frumpus

        Yes, you traitor.

    • Maire Branham

      The right to take up arms is not treason – it is specifically to be able to protect oneself against tyranny – which is generally what happens when a government casts too big a shadow on the affairs of the private individual. Jeezus, we are all so screwed up!!!!! Each side is saying exactly the same thing about the other side! We can’t both be right. So what is right? Do we just keep on calling each other names and working ourselves up to a frenzy? Where’s the cool heads? Where’s the rational voices?

    • Matt

      Well, to be fair, so is standing by and watching American citizens get killed in Benghazi. But, who’s calling that out?

      • Rome

        Benghazi? What the fuck does that have to do with this issue?

      • Scaramongus

        because Benghazi!!

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        benghazzzzziiiiiiiiiiiii!!!!!
        ( that’s my opening rant to TRY 2 get a show in my name on FOX “news”)

      • Tanner Westman

        As unrelated as this is, guess what party voted to cut embassy security funding?

      • Hard Dose of Reality

        how about the 12 Embassy attacks during GW’s presidency??? which resulted in the deaths of over 50 people???

        Why don’t you Republicans rant & rave about that????

  • Commander SUPREME™

    I heard an interview with this guy on Hannity and he said he has no problem paying the fees to the State just not to the Federal government so I say let him. Let him cut a check to the state of Nevada and then the State can just turn around and hand it over to the Feds. Problem solved. Everyone is happy and no one gets shot over cows eating grass.

    • suburbancuurmudgeon

      He doesn’t recognize the federal government. Nevada is part of the country whose government he doesn’t recognize. I say we deport him.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        let him move to rick perrys texas and do this crap and see how REPUB texas treats him

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      yeah,,,,and I can say something but UNTIL I DO IT it is NOT true
      ================================================== let him sign the check on hannitys show

  • James Hardy

    This is an OPINION piece. It’s a typical right vs left distraction from the big picture. What happened to the desert tortoise that the BLM was protecting? Does that mean no Fracking or other activities that are potentially harmful to the desert tortoise are going to happen here? Let’s keep an eye on this land for a few years and see what develops there. Based on the interests from big oil and energy companies I would bet that there is something here more valuable that a tortoise. This isn’t about A man refusing to pay his way. It’s about another made up Government agency overstepping its boundaries. How many agencies do we need to keep us in line? When we don’t have a handle on climate, food, water and other resources what agency is going to save us?

    • suburbancuurmudgeon

      No, it’s about a man refusing to pay his way. Everyone else that grazes on public land pays.

      • James Hardy

        What about the tortoise the BLM is protecting?

      • robingee

        This dude was not supposed to be letting his cows eat there, ever. He was endangering the tortoises all this time.

      • James Hardy

        How can you say he is not supposed to be letting his cows eat there? They have been eating there for over 150 years? The BLM is going to use the land to be fracked, thus endangering the tortoise. The tortoise was the original reason they tried to kick him off these public lands. What about the tortoise when they start fracking? Is it still going to be protected? Every time I have seen this story reported there has been different reasons for kicking him off the lands. What is the real reason? It is not a tortoise, it is not grazing fees either. Are you guys ignorant or just trolling?

      • yamroll

        Wow this guy is really old. 150 years if he started grazing his cattle the day he was born.

      • James Hardy

        YAMROLL:Wow you can type and you are this dumb? Amazing. “They” meaning the cattle and the family. Not the one guy.

      • Scaramongus

        you can type

      • yamroll

        Hardy, you are the dumb one if you can’t even recognize the fact I was joking. I suggest you chill out.

      • James Hardy

        Oh my bad, I didn’t recognize your “I’m joking” font.

      • Deonne Williams

        Here are some verifiable facts for you James: The Nevada Constitution, ratified in 1864, stated that all state lands were now federal lands. Bundy’s family did settled in Nevada in the 1880s – 16 years AFTER Nevada signed over control to the Federal government AND Bundy cannot prove via deeds or tax payments that the public land he is claiming were ever owned by his family.

      • James Hardy

        Deonne: Thank you for posting something informative and intelligent. Now I have something else I can look into. It’s refreshing when people act human in a public forum!

      • Scaramongus

        what do facts like deeds and tax records have to do with anything

      • evenstevens

        You know what happens if I stop paying property taxes? If the bank raises my rate and I refuse to pay it? Are you a squatter that denies the concept of ownership? Sorry, but no rational citizen is willing to pay his own way and watch this freeloading piece, snub his nose at the same landlord. “America: Love it or leave it!”

      • Sherry

        They are protecting the tortoise, in fact they are killing them because of the cost to maintain them – google it.

      • Sherry

        aren’t

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      really? not paying ( while losing all court cases and appeals) his DUES??

      really? wow– im glad I read your piece.
      now Im sooooooooooooo informed of the (FOX”news” )truth

      • James Hardy

        Court cases aren’t the end all be all of the world. Thousands of innocent people sit in jail right now. Oh yeah, innocent poor people. Wall street and Bankers openly stole millions of dollars from people over the years and hardly a single person went to jail. Are those the same courts you speak of?? Google, Apple, Exxon, BP hardly pay any taxes at all. Why is this not a Government issue? I am a Liberal. CNN and MSNBC are too far right for me no less Fox News. I am not saying he is right for what he is doing. I am not defending the man. I am asking what is the agenda of the BLM? It is NOT a tortoise. It is NOT owed taxes. Do you know what it is?

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        non sequitur. I only decry the obvious façade the cretins at FOX “news” and the scumbag tea party white trash liars propagate
        =================================
        I also liberal; my biggest complaint is that the “right” never has solutions of TRUE merit– and when cornered invariably tell us that JEEESUS is the answer to everything( see: voodoo)

      • evenstevens

        Sure. It is, NOT HIS PROPERTY. Not his rights, not his laws, not even his culture to command.

      • Andy Kinnard

        The bottom line is: BLM’s plans for this land is a separate issue from Bundy’s non-exitent “rights” to let his cattle graze there or his requirement to pay fees to the established, legitimate agency of their stewardship. He owes the fees, period. He is not allowed to use the lands for grazing, period. Those facts are in no way contingent on the motives or plans or effectiveness of the BLM.

    • Maire Branham

      Thank you.

    • cazzy

      Koch brothers are behind this protest, Koch brothers are the ones that have interests in fracking and oil. Yes, lets see shall we?

  • Sandy Greer

    I’d bet good money he rants about Welfare Queens on Food Stamps – while he runs cattle on land that’s not his, and doesn’t want to lease.

    ^^^He DOES epitomize what’s wrong with Conservatives. The stench of Hypocrisy rises to the heavens above.

    He’s just another deadbeat freeloader with an entitlement complex – wants something for nothing – and thinks it his God-given right to have it.

    Seize his cattle; ranch too, if necessary. And throw his a$$ in jail for wasting taxpayer dollars chasing his butt down.

    As an aside, it turns my stomach Faux News is egging him on. Looking for another Waco, they are. Licking their chops. Despicable!

    • robingee

      Of course Faux News is egging him on, they are loving this. And they will blame Obama for everything and anything that happens.

      • Sandy Greer

        That’s exactly WHY they’re doing it:

        Fox makes him a ‘folk hero’ – TeaPug sycophants pay tribute and he buys into it – until he CAN’T back down. Soon enough, The Right has another Waco they can lay at the feet of Obama.

        ^^^Shameless people, without Honor. It’s dark souls, they’ve got.

    • Scaramongus

      What if in an inner city neighborhood a renter decided not to pay her rent because she “didn’t believe” in landlords right to own the building (because he wasn’t making fixing anything and making improvements and such) and she had a bunch of friends show up with guns? What would happen?

      • evenstevens

        It damn sure wouldn’t take 20 years to kick her ass to the curb!
        Bundy is nothing but a freeloading cry-baby!

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        to quote fonzie————
        ” correct–a -MUNDO”

  • Donna Polles

    I’m a little upset with the inaccuracies in the above article, but all that aside, there’s no way the BLM got involved because of turtles that, very recently, they were killing because of overpopulation!

    From what I understand, BLM stopped taking care of the land (which is what they are supposed to do) in the 90s and Bundy paid out of pocket to do their job (including maintaining the roads) all these years. Because of that, he stopped paying the BLM and has been trying to pay the state and county the fees instead…but they just send it back to him.

    The BLM doesn’t want any fees…its very obvious they’re only concerned with getting that land. I’ve heard many reasons why they are doing this (fracking, Chinese solar field, etc) and none of them will benefit the land.

    They’ve paid off and gotten rid of more than 50 other ranches in that same area…millions of acres. My question is; Why?

    • FootlooseHorse

      First… this is the desert… they are TORTOISES, not “Turtles.”

      Rancher Bundy was “renting” Federal public land by way of his grazing permit. At his renewal in 1993, the terms of the “lease” were changed to reduce the number of cattle he could run on the land in order to protect the Desert Tortoise (which is a Keystone Species – one that the others depend upon for the functioning of the environment). He did not like the change in terms, and stopped paying his “rent” (grazing fees) but kept on not only grazing his privately-owned, for-profit cattle, but *increasing* the numbers.

      He has lost every review, appeal, and court case *because it’s not HIS land* to do with what he pleases. He is in defiance of several court orders, and owes more than a million dollars in fees and penalties.

      You mention him trying to pay other agencies… but you can’t take merchandise from one store, and try to pay for it at another! The county rightfully refused his payments because it is not county land.

      BLM is not “supposed to take care of the land” in a physical sense – they manage it through range science by monitoring the condition and use of the land – exactly what they did by reducing the number of grazing animals on that allotment.

      The grazing permit (which is required in order to use public land) is not only canceled, but also retired – that area is ineligible for grazing.

      You may have “heard many reasons … fracking … Chinese….” but that doesn’t make them true (easy google search debunks those rumors), and in any case, it’s Federal land for BLM to manage as they see fit, for the benefit of the American people.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        thank U for this info– now I know ( to quote paul Harvey) ” the REST of the story”
        ===========================================
        and,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, to quote “saint” Reagan
        ” there U go again,,,,,,,,,,,,,” annoying a regressive with facts

    • Matthew Reece

      Also don’t forget that parts of Nevada were testing grounds for nuclear weapons. I guess saving the tortoises was not as important as threatening the world with nuclear annihilation.

      • PRIME79

        You assume that there was a full understanding of the environmental effects of their actions way back when. I doubt it, with the wars and arms races and much more pressing matters. Ever consider that maybe the nuke testing was causing the environment massive amounts of harm and after this was looked into they have been trying to correct it and heal the land? As we gain more knowledge we change what we do. Except conservatives……I pity them so.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        hey matt– a question:
        when is the last time anyone detonated a nuke in our country?
        wow…. that long ago?

      • Karl Rickard

        It was in 1992… in Nevada. Not that long ago.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        a wee bit non sequitur to associate an event over 2 decades ago with “nuclear annihilation”….dontcha think?

      • Karl Rickard

        I was answering a question – “when is the last time anyone detonated a nuke in our country?” It was in 1992. In Nevada. And 20 years is not very long at all. I made no associated with “nuclear annihilation”.

        That being said, from 1951 to 1992 the government detonated over 1,000 nuclear bombs in Nevada. At least 100 of those were above ground. I would hardly dismiss this an “an event.”

      • regressive teaparty trash

        agreed,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but if U read above U can see that imbecilic “anarchist” matthew did overtly imply this event was a stairway to said annihilation
        ==========================================
        event? im still peeing in laughter over FOX “news” lachrymose Benghazi ‘coverage’

    • Maire Branham

      I have heard that there is a specific type of metal in that area which is used to create magnets and by extension, some of our more advanced weaponry, and the rancher and his cattle need to be moved out of the way so the metals can be mined. And sold to the Chinese.

      • Krista

        I heard little green aliens landed a spaceship there, and the gov’t wants to build a base around it so they can study the technology. Yeah.. you can pretty much insert any conspiracy theory here.

      • Scaramongus

        yeah, me too!!!

  • Ibulena

    Where is your disgust for Harry Reid and his son? Like the video was not about Benghazi, this is not about a turtle.

    • PRIME79

      Are you referring to the land 200 miles away? The land that his son had some involvement in possibility of selling the land to the Chinese? If so, that deal fell apart over a year ago and is completely irrelevant. It makes for good conspiracy theory but in the real world, where this is happening, its one guy that doesn’t want to pay fees he’s acquired by continuously breaking the law. The situation would be pretty much the same if say one were to rack up a couple years worth of unpaid parking tickets and refused to pay them, eventually the law would catch up to you. No cares about a bunch of guys with guns, they pull this crap all the time and not once have they actually accomplished anything other than getting on TV, good for them. As for Benghazi….*yawn*…moving on…..

      • Ibulena

        Wonder if your family will YAWN when you pass, let alone get killed.

      • PRIME79

        Lol! What now? Whose coming to kill me? Im not sure what my family will do when Im gone, doesn’t really matter as I wont be there for it.

        What’s it like to live in constant fear like Im sure you do? I imagine its pretty stressful. So many people in the world and lots of them are different from you and this terrifies you, its so sad. No one really cares about you(outside of your family and friends…Im assuming), you really are not that relevant, know one is coming to get you or out to get you. Take a breath and relax boss, society, the world is really not that scary a place.

      • Ibulena

        It always comes across those who consider themselves “liberal” thinkers comes across as so judgmental and the mean kids to believe they know all about everyone else. YOU are the one not likening someone of a different opinion not of your thinking. I merely posted was asking where the disgust is for Reid and his son (BLM backed down the minute their involvement came out) and was not directed to you specifically. You have yourself a nice day.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        where was the white trash regressive tea party trash before 2009? when BUSH and CO was interrupting our so-called rights?
        answer– they were in some scumbag house of VOODOO( see: religion) with other white scum
        ==================================
        NOTE: im caucasian

      • Ibulena

        You just proved my point! Have a nice day.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        and,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        ………………………. you didn’t answer my easy2answer inquiry
        =======================================
        thus TOTOTOTALLY proving MY point

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        to quote saint(??) Reagan,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        ” there u go again.,………….” annoying a regressive with facts

  • PRIME79

    ” Women and children first” does not mean what these lunatics think it means. The same people that are terrified of minority violence and gays and Arab looking people and pretty much everyone else not them are constantly the only ones getting together in packs with weapons to scream and shout at people about something. Intimidation fail. These people simply look ignorant and completely, thoroughly, ,hilariously detached.

  • marie

    BuAdy’s family has been working that land sense the 1800′s! He is not trying to get something for nothing. He has stated that he is willing to pay the fees he owes to Nevada. What he will not do is pay it out to the federal government! Say what you will about the Bundy family, but I like the fact that they are standing up for something they believe in! As far as I’m concerned the government works for we the people! As of today they have forgotten that and think they can do what ever they want. Bundy and his family prove that notion wrong! And that’s where the big problem is for the feds!

    • Bine646

      Clifton would definitely of been a redcoat supporter back in the day

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        and bine is still chaffed with soiled diapers
        ==================================
        funny( aint it) how no congressmen(or women) have supported this loser

    • Marie Dooley

      He IS trying to get something for nothing, Marie. He’s been SQUATTING on that land! He doesn’t own what he’s utilizing to make a living. You like the fact that he is “standing up for something that he believes in”? So was Hitler, so was Timothy McVeigh — what one believes in may be WRONG and CRIMINAL. What a weird idea that this is admirable. Stinkin’ thinkin’.

      • marie

        technically we are all squatting because this land Originally belonged to the Indians! So why should he pay the feds? shouldn’t he Be paying the natives of this land? Well, according to your theory Anyways!

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        marie be sexy looking!!!

    • PRIME79

      Lol! You’re adorable.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        20 yrs of not paying
        ” adorable”

  • mark

    I laugh at all you liberals. You would sit right back and let all your rights be stripped from you as long as the government takes care of you. I don’t care if your liberal or conservative the government is way to big and does not have any Americans best interest at heart. Its time to take our power back and strip the government of theirs.

    • marie

      I agree 100%! I bet your comment is deleted within the hour. I know mine was, and I didn’t use any foul language or try to offend anyone. I just don’t agree with this article.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        hey skank– read my reply to mark

    • PRIME79

      What are you talking about? A guy is refusing to pay fines he racked up. People get hunted down and forced to pay parking tickets all the time. Same thing just on a larger scale. Im not sure why this is such a big deal to people. And by not paying his fees and fines he has been getting free stuff off of the government and taxpayers, they are taking care of him. And what rights has he been stripped of? I think you are completely making that part up.

    • David Shaw Jr

      You’re okay with him illegally grazing his cattle?

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      hey scumbag,,,,,,,
      where were crybaby white trash such as you/glenn beck/Hannity/nugent/michelle”no tits” malkin/ ETC when the repub BUSH administration did this crap? nowhere—no where…..
      —–that’s why we just laugh at U lemmings who follow other white trash regressive tea(bag) party scumbags into obscurity as the repub party declines due to atavistic stupidity
      —————————————————————————————
      PRAISE JEEEEESUS!!

    • Michele Mattea

      The federal government is smaller now than it has been since the 1960′s — both in absolute numbers of persons employed and as a percentage of the population. Personally, I LIKE having the FDA around to monitor food and drug safety, the postal service to deliver my mail, the military to defend my country, the Social Security Administration to help the old folks. There’s nothing about the size of our federal government at this time that is “too big”, much less “way too big”.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        to quote “saint Reagan”……
        ” there U go again,,,,,,,,,,,,” ————————— annoying a regressive republican with facts

    • evenstevens

      Your rights are not whatever you think they should be. They are not whatever Bundy thinks they should be. That crap ends about the age of two.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        bundy “thinks”????
        =========================
        bundy ==== texas tea party senate candidate

    • cazzy

      What “rights” are taken away in this country except the right to vote, the right to form a union at a company, woman’s right to see a doctor if she chooses for whatever reason, right to work for a living wage, right of the government to promote the general welfare!!

  • choo

    Very redundant article..but I agree

  • spindog

    We’re not bashing the “government that the Constitution created” that government is no longer around because I have a pen…and a phone…what bullshit for a president that has taken an oath to keep our constitution. BTW before oyu start whining about this “law breaker” just keep in mind Jim Crow laws were the law of the land until someone finally stood up to them.

  • rossbro

    JAIL ! Defy a judge, go to jail. Take his cows and land to pay for the unpaid fees.

  • TequilaMan2000

    You know who the “takers” are? These scumbag businessmen and conservatives who TAKE, TAKE, TAKE from the US, and use the country and its robust resources, markets and infrastructure to make money… but then they want to pay nothing back in return. They just want it all, and to use it freely, and give NOTHING back to this country. I can’t think of anything more unAmerican.

    It’s like borrowing someone’s business, using their resources (and costing them money), and then expecting to not pay for using that business to make money…. and thinking you have a right to take it all.

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      “job creators”

  • moe/larry & curly keys

    funny how the politicians in the regressive wing of the republican party are quite MUM about this: even scoundrels such as ted cruz and co are pretty tame——they realize he ( bundy) is a moooooocher( like the cattle “MOO”?) who- if they support– will mirror trhe so-called moochers which they denigrate ( food stamps/welfare/etc) while lambasting Obama and democrats.
    PS— hows that ACA turnout doing? where are all of my crybaby regressive rightwing losers on this one??

  • volsung

    Interesting. Bundy’s forefathers were quick to call on the Federal government to protect their settlements on Indian lands.

  • rossbro

    Bundy is just one more whackjob anti-Government asshole who wants HIS stuff for free. Conservative, my ass.

  • MLR

    Cliven Bundy is a scumbag, a welfare queen and a coward for wanting to use women as human shields. If he really had the cajones to stand up to the “tyrannical government” he should be man enough to do it himself without putting women and children in harms way. Also, if he really believes he is in the right then he should practice peaceful, civil disobedience, not the shameful tactics he and his “supporters” used.

  • Stephen Barlow

    Poster child for evolution. The BEFORE pic.

  • Carla Amstutz

    In the least, I would place a large bet on rancher Bundy’s thoughts. I can’t understand why you, Sandy Greer, would contemplate his thoughts. What many of the verbal idiots of the US don’t recognize is that there are millions of people here who don’t pay any attention to what happens in the lives of people on welfare. 1. Does it really make any sense for the federal government to ‘own’ land in the US? After all, the government is only supported by Americans who pay taxes and have paid all our lives. 2. The BLM is required to maintain water and upkeep on ‘federal land’, which in addition to lush beautiful national park lands is made up of scrub land such as this part of Nevada. 3. By allowing cattle to forage there as American’s have done for years, the cattle not only help keep the land growth tamed but also apply fertilizer after they forage. 4. Mr. Bundy has maintained water tanks for not only the cattle but also for the many varieties of wild animals which inhabit the area, a job the BLM was supposed to be doing but never took part in. 5. The US is populated with people who are too busy working to sustain a lifestyle for family that there is no time for them to place blame for ‘taking’ by pointing fingers and ranting about someone blamed as you have for being ‘just another deadbeat freeloader’! PERHAPS YOU and many others who are POINTING hatred filled remarks at any other citizen of the USA should sit back and take an inventory of your own life!

    • cazzy

      Bundy doesn’t even recognize the USA. What does that make him?

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        a tea party candidate from texas??

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      hey Carla…………….if you didn’t pay fines what would happen to you?
      …………….let us know

  • Charlie

    Ugh, please do personal fact checking before you make an ‘arguement’. The amount of parroted misinformation is astounding.
    Clive Bundy and his family has been working that land since the late 1800s, along with 40-70 other ranching families. They didn’t own all the land directly, but they do own some of it. By the way, not owning grazing land has never stopped people from having cattle graze before. Not unless that land is privately owned, which in this case the only owner of private land is Clive Bundy himself.
    Now the Bureau of Land Management took the land, not bought, in the 1930s. After some time they gave the land to the State of Nevada to manage instead as state public property. Now, the United States being a federation, gave up its right to the land to the Sovereign State of Nevada. Nevada being its own governmental entity making up the rest of the federal republic. The only land the Federal Government should own is the District of Columbia, and the various federal armed forces installations around the world.
    So now starting in the 90′s the BLM is starting to charge fees for land it doesn’t control. The only person calling shenanigans on that all the way is Clive Bundy. They kept making arbitrary regulations and changing the rules to stop the ranching of cattle in that area. These are now small time ranchers, these are people ranching on an industrial scale to feed the populace of the country.
    Mr. Bundy decided to, yes break the law, because he asserted that these laws are, not legal, and designed to put him out of business, like his 50ish rancher neighbors. Everyone here is in the wrong.
    The main point here, is the federal government rolled in with militarized police to extract taxes and fees on land they no longer directly control. The response is disproportionately heavy handed to what is essentially an administrative problem. The question is, what else are they willing to do?

    • Andy Kinnard

      All of the crucial “facts” you just wrote are incorrect.

    • careyt1

      They have NOT been there since the 1800′s that’s a LIE! Only since 1948 his parents bought it. I live in the house MY parents bought in 1958!! I guess I’ll close off the street that used to be a private road next to me because I want my dogs to have more room to run around. Cliven is only 10 years older than me! He would have been one of the Rednecks who killed the guys in Easy Rider for being “hippies!!” do not deny it!!!

  • Mike

    Wow you people believe one very uneducated view and run with it. Wake up fools look a little farther then the fools explanation posted here. You people are sick probably want to hand them your guns and say take care of me… Idiots. Harry Reid morons

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      hey mike,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, hows the regressive crybabies on the right telling us that MOOCHERS are killing this country; but THIS moocher is a “patriot”???

  • nickel

    Try to be honest… How would you all feel about this issue if Bundy were a Native American, and Romney were in the White House and in charge of the BLM?

    Second, why does a paper pushing bureau (the BLM) even need so many law enforcement agents?

    This isn’t about fees, tortoises or cattle….something doesn’t seem right. How do we follow the money???

  • craig

    somewhat harsh and high on rhetoric. funny how conservatives tell people to get used to the new normal but when they do not like something it is “evil”.

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      and,,,,,,,,,,,funny how regressives tell us the left is all about helping moochers but THIS white trash MOOCHER is now a patriot?

  • Peter Bartlett

    This man is a perfect example of why conservatives have lost touch! Google a man who recently passed named Bud Purdy, his legacy speaks for itself. A true American hero, not Bundy!

  • ConservativeAmerican

    Allen, you have a degree? You might want to consider “writing” classes.
    As for all the comments below, you people who like to namecall conservatives need to calm down and get the facts. This site is nothing but a blog site for the left.

  • Jane

    Wussy, I guess he is going to use his children and grandchildren as human shields.

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