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Can We Please Stop Allowing Southern States to Ruin This Country?

southern-idiotsSometimes liberals joke that we should have just let the South secede and become their own country because we would have been much better off.  And while I know that’s not literally true (though I’m sure some will argue that it is), history tells us that in this country we’re constantly held back from progress by these Southern states which thrive on ignorance.

First we had slavery.  The Southern states nearly ripped this country apart just so that they could continue to own other human beings and deny African Americans their freedom.  This country literally fought a civil war because of the South.

I always found it ironic that the states fighting to keep slavery claimed to be “defending their Constitutional rights.”  Only in an ignorant, delusional mind could you want to secede from a country (of which you claim to be an avid patriot) because that very same Constitution you claim to hold so dear doesn’t support your ignorance.

But isn’t that the argument they always use?  “I’m standing for my Constitutional rights!”  Because, well, they believe that our Tenth Amendment somehow gives their states the right to violate the Constitution.  Which it doesn’t.

But then next up was women’s suffrage.  And while it wasn’t just Southern states which opposed it, until women were finally given the right to vote, it was illegal for women to vote in every Southern state and they strongly opposed giving women voting rights.

Then, of course, segregation.  Another little “gem” from our history that we look back on today with utter disdain that Southern states overwhelmingly supported.  Once again, our nation tried to move forward – and Southern states tried to hold us back.

Same thing goes for interracial marriage when Southern states claimed “states’ rights” once again, with many saying that it was against their religious beliefs to “allow the mixing of the races.”

Now days it’s the fight for gay rights and same-sex marriage that has Southern states up in arms claiming the same nonsense they have for over 150 years.  Forcing them to recognize same-sex marriage, or give homosexuals equal rights, is – you guessed it – a violation of their religious freedoms and states’ rights.

Enough is enough.  I’m sick and tired of these backwards, knuckle-dragging Southern states constantly holding this country back.  Every time we try to make a bold move and move this country forward, we have to battle with people who long for the days of segregation, women being barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen and a gun holster on everyone’s belt.

It’s no wonder most of these people don’t believe in evolution.  It’s been over 150 years since the civil war and somehow generation after generation of people within these Southern states remain just as ignorant today as they were back then.


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Allen Clifton is from the Dallas-Fort Worth area and has a degree in Political Science. He is a co-founder of Forward Progressives, and author of the popular Right Off A Cliff column. He is also the founder of the Right Off A Cliff facebook page, on which he routinely voices his opinions and stirs the pot for the Progressive movement. Follow Allen on Twitter as well, @Allen_Clifton.

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  • MLR

    And they will continue to hold this great country back as long as left and center continues to not take midterm and local elections seriously. Like I’ve stated before, I think it’s nuts that this country elected Barack Obama in 2008 and then didn’t bother to show up for the 2010 midterms. If we want to keep lunatics like Michele “crazy-eyed” Bachmann and Ted “out for himself” Cruz we need to take at least midterm elections just as serious as presidential elections. Oh, and maybe we should insist on requiring psychiatric evaluations as part of the vetting process before allowing ANYONE to hold public office.

    • IRISH BULL

      I couldn’t agree with you more. I personally believe the mid terms this year are possibly more important that the POTUS election in 2016.

      • cozyk

        Because we have seen the presidents power is very stifled without the support of the senate and congress.

      • Alexis Betancourt

        Ditto

      • Robyn Ryan

        There will be, if she doesn’t leave the Senate.

      • Robyn Ryan

        Which is why ‘Senate Majority Leader Warren’ or ‘Senate Appropriations Committee Chair Warren’ is more important than ‘Chief Executive Officer Warren.’

      • garry lafferty

        There no senate majority leader Warren idiot it McConell

      • frozen01

        The point went right over your head Garry. It’s not that Warren IS the majority leader, it’s that she COULD be.

      • garry lafferty

        So could dick Durbin, others.

      • GOTBOOTH

        And she’d be the first Native American to hold that office!

      • garry lafferty

        There no mandate for congress they been in charge sense 2010 they have done nothing. President Obama was elected by the people . Voter turn out 2016 will be then midterms.

    • http://www.trulynomadlydeeply.com/ Chris Allbritton

      Absolutely agree with you about taking mid-terms seriously. But really: anyone seeking higher office already probably already rates highly on the megalomaniacal and narcissistic scale.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        except me,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        I like the free stuff

    • http://www.sohrob.com Sohrob Tahmasebi

      It’s like people forgot basics from civics class. The president is only as powerful as the Congress he’s governing with. The left needs to be much better about getting that message out if they hope to make any real impact.

      • James Hummel

        The southern states don’t have civics classes.

      • Terry Knepper

        no, but they have football….

      • James Worcester

        Geaux SAINTS

      • Reality Check

        But I can name a few Southerners with degrees from Southern schools who have accomplished more in a day than your bigoted tail will in a lifetime: Tim Cook, Jimmy Wales, Ted Turner, Robert Gibbs, to name a few off the top of my head.

        Should I pull a list to further silence you and your bigoted jokes and asinine statements?

        I’ll hang up and listen…

      • sharongibson

        I don’t think anyone is suggesting that *all* Southerners are ignorant. Houston, Texas is home to some of the best world-class teaching and treating hospitals in the country. Yet this is the same state that wants to ban critical thinking in the classroom, put Creationism in the science lab, open carry in grocery stores and jeopardize health care for women.

      • Steve Reynolds

        Houston is a liberal bastion in a conservative state. True story!

      • jim salmon

        I am from the south….and where I come from 1865 plus 150 equals next year as you quoted….Also we are all from the same race, unless you know something about palioanthropoly that I missed in school! Northern moron!

      • disqus_ISCI1t4XZS

        Ted Turner was a big racist, don’t forget that.

      • garry lafferty

        Federal government has to carry red states they don’t pay enough tax’s do to low wages.

      • Robyn Ryan

        who?

      • Guest

        No they dont

      • James Worcester

        James, pull up your drawers, your ignorance is showing

      • James Worcester

        Geographic bigot.

      • Reality Check

        But I can name a few Southerners with degrees from Southern schools who have accomplished more in a day than your bigoted tail will in a lifetime: Tim Cook, Jimmy Wales, Ted Turner, Robert Gibbs, to name a few off the top of my head.

        Should I pull a list to further silence you and your bigoted jokes and asinine statements?

        I’ll hang up and listen…

      • sg

        Ted Turner is a liberal.

      • Robyn Ryan

        Define ‘accomplished.’

      • Robyn Ryan

        Knowledge makes a person unfit to be a slave.

      • garry lafferty

        GOP has NO message they won BS scare tactic. made up story’s. I don’t get that except low voter turn out hurt Democrats.

    • Kayjulia

      Well said I couldn’t have said it better …. good job!

    • Charles Vincent

      What do Reagan, Bush Sr., and Bill Clinton all have in common?

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        a lot— pandering to base to get elected; raising debt,,,,,, signing legislation which ( eventually) sucked
        ==========================================
        Clinton balanced budget( on a technicality)

      • Charles Vincent

        Well those are a few. I was going to say all three were better leaders and statesmen, and all worked with and got legislation through a congress controlled by the opposite party.

      • Barbs

        But they were all white!

      • Charles Vincent

        So… the color of a persons skin is irrelevant.

      • Kim Serrahn

        It should be but it’s not looking like that right now.

      • Charles Vincent

        Care to expound on that statement?

      • Kim Serrahn

        we think we have come so far as to not see the color of someones skin, but in reality for most in the south that is the first and only thing they see. Case in point. I have relatives in NC and if there is a person of color on a register at their local Walmart they will either wait for a white person or leave their cart behind , because they do not want anyone like that touching the things they want to buy. So we will not stop until the whole world is mud colored. And I think the first comment got put in the wrong place. Bad cookies. Sorry if I bothered you.

      • Charles Vincent

        You didn’t bother me. I can only speak for me and I don’t see color its how I was raised. I merely wanted clarification on your original statement.

      • paul

        Your relatives must be morons, because if they don’t like Blacks then why would they live in NC…and based on the fact that they are in Walmart says enough by itself….

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        Agree, but it is hard to work with a congress that vowed to never cooperate with Obama. That is the biggest difference between then and now.

      • Charles Vincent

        I wouldn’t cooperate with Obama either, he’s a liar and a fraud and unfit to hold the office. In fact I think that congress should grow a pair and either censure Obama or impeach him. He has committed offenses worthy of either charge.

        On a side note hope you have been well and that the job is going well and that all is well with the family.

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        List the offenses, then explain how he got elected twice.

        Hope all is well with you too.

      • Charles Vincent

        He killed US citizens without affording them due process of law as per the 5th amendment;
        “No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”

        Here are the many articles supporting this fact;

        https://www DOT google DOT com/search?q=obama+kills+3+us+citizens&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb

        And
        Jonathan Turly on Obama
        https://www DOT youtube DOT com/watch?v=AjDMO1Np6ik

        https://www DOT youtube DOT com/watch?v=41kij0HuOmw

        Noam Chomsky on Obama

        https://www DOT youtube DOT com/watch?v=8mA4HYTO790

        https://www DOT youtube DOT com/watch?v=f5pur4-dfiY

        “then explain how he got elected twice.”

        He hoodwinked the majority of the voting public twice.

      • James Worcester

        The “citizens” who were killed had leagued with Al-Queida against the true citizens of the U.S. Once a citizen does this, he becomes an enemy combatant. Enemy combatants are not afforded the rights granted under the 5th Amendment (RE: “except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia”). End of story.

      • Charles Vincent

        Doesn’t matter they had not attacked or harmed anyone. and 2 the proof they had ties to radical Islam were thin.
        “nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;”
        Again they were not actively engages in attacking or plotting any sort of attacks.
        Run on back to the window you were licking Chief.

      • James Worcester

        And you know this because you were there? Or you read it on some blog?

      • Charles Vincent

        I know this from reading MSM and senate commentary on the subject. This really isn’t a right or left issue both parties have been lamenting on this but it hasn’t gone anywhere because congress lacks the spine needed to do something about it.

      • James Worcester

        Sources, please…I’ve read exactly the opposite in MSM, and the senate reports have been ambiguous.

      • Charles Vincent

        Exactly the information was ambiguous as in not clear either way which is why the 5th amendment for due process applies. the administration didn’t prove he was an enemy combatant and either with Awilaki or his 16 year old son and the friend of the son. the link to the white paper shows the rather ambiguous standard. Moreover the drone killings in Pakistan were conducted in secret and with out the Pakistan governments approval from the articles I have read and it states in that DoJ white paper that is against international law.

        https://www DOT google DOT com/search?q=New+york+times+article+on+citizens+killed+by+drone+strike&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb

        http://msnbcmedia DOT msn DOT com/i/msnbc/sections/news/020413_DOJ_White_Paper DOT pdf

      • disqus_ISCI1t4XZS

        Good riddance to the whole klan.

      • b wiilyz

        Im sure you believe George Zimmerman wasn’t guilty of anything too right. You know, killing citizens without due process

      • Charles Vincent

        That was self defense and is entirely off topic here.

      • Bill

        Self defense, MY ASS! He initiated, and escalated the entire incident! If he hadn’t been a racist bastard, and had listened to the 911 operator from the beginning, Trayvon Martin would still be alive, AND Zimmerman would not have had to claim “self defense” to justify a murder charge… and it WAS murder!

      • Charles Vincent

        Learn to read the court documents it clearly states Self defense in them, and it states the Acquittal by a jury of his peers. You are entitled to your opinion but you do not get to make up the facts. Again Learn to read you ignorant mouthbreather.

      • Connie Chastain

        Even those charged with treason are guaranteed due process by the Constitution.

      • James Worcester

        Once a person takes up arms against America, regardless of their nationality, they are enemy combatants, and due process is removed from the equation.

      • baystater

        Yeah? What did Shrub do when he lied us into a nonsensible war that took 4500 American lives? That SOB should’ve been impeached and jailed along with his evil sidekick Cheney.

      • Charles Vincent

        The same thing Obama did with Afghanistan and Iraq and Libya and the proxy wars in Syria and Egypt. This link shows the real stats that matter;
        http://www DOT freerepublic DOT com/focus/news/3110069/posts

        As far as Bush and Cheney perhaps they should have been. But what they did doesn’t give Obama a pass.

      • Chris

        You get your “news” from Freepers?

      • Charles Vincent

        I get news from a variety of sources its not good to rely on just one source, and those numbers are verifiable.

      • Chris

        A variety? Sure, like Fox, the Blaze, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Glenn Beck?

      • Charles Vincent

        Nope guess again variety doesnt mean MOTS it means across the whole spectrum.

      • Bill

        The “FreeRepublic” is NOT a credible source, as it is nothing more than a partisan, hack site, with no actual “evidence.”

      • Charles Vincent

        That’s your opinion, you can independently verify the pertinent facts in the article. I did before I posted it. Learn to research Billy boy.

      • woad2112

        You might want to read this part again Charles…

        “except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger”

      • Charles Vincent

        They never proved he was an enemy combatant.

      • Charles Vincent

        Google the DOJ white paper

      • Sandra Burleson

        You mean, like starting two wars for no other reason than profit? Oh, wait, wrong President.

      • Charles Vincent

        Obama started three proxy wars and continued both Iraq and Afghanistan. In addition he escalated the conflict in Afghanistan sharply. You should know what your talking about before you speak.

      • Sandra Burleson

        “Three proxy wars and continued both Iraq and Afghanistan.” Do tell, please, I would really like to know. Are you trying to blame him for the Israel/Gaza nightmare, the mess in Russia, and the horror in Syria? How did he do that?

      • Charles Vincent

        Syria is on Libya and Egypt are the others.

        http://startthinkingright DOT wordpress DOT com/2012/02/09/obamas-utterly-failed-policy-with-syria-egypt-iran-libya-iraq-afghanistan-and-the-entire-middle-east-is-a-clear-and-present-danger/

      • Sandra Burleson

        Those people have been trying to kill each other for centuries, they don’t need any help doing that.

      • Charles Vincent

        You don’t understand what a proxy war is ma’am. Secondly read the articles before you comment

      • Charles Vincent

        Syria is on Libya and Egypt are the others.

        http://startthinkingright DOT wordpress DOT com/2012/02/09/obamas-utterly-failed-policy-with-syria-egypt-iran-libya-iraq-afghanistan-and-the-entire-middle-east-is-a-clear-and-present-danger/

        http://www DOT nytimes DOT com/2014/05/04/opinion/sunday/president-obama-and-the-world DOT html?_r=0

        http://www DOT nytimes DOT com/2012/12/09/world/middleeast/syrian-rebels-tied-to-al-qaeda-play-key-role-in-war DOT html?pagewanted%253Dall

      • Charles Vincent

        http://www DOT nytimes DOT com/2012/10/23/opinion/roger-cohen-working-with-the-muslim-brotherhood DOT html?_r=1&

      • History

        I’ll give you the drone strikes, but you can’t lay Iraq and Afghanistan at his feet. We were already engaged in combat there. To have packed up and just left would have further destabilized an unstable area. We got out of Iraq as quickly as we could…yet there are some on the right that call for us to go back in, still. Afghanistan is a cluster. The troop surge was at the request of the Generals involved. It was a bad situation when Bush drug us into it and nothing has changed.. I don’t see a graceful exit happening and the best we can do is minimize the damage.
        As for Syria, Egypt, and Libya…not dragging US soldiers into that fight isn’t the same as starting them.

      • Charles Vincent

        Uhh proxy wars was my point and you missed it. I can blame the escalation of the conflict at Afghanistan on Obama he is the one that did it and that cost troops their lives.

        Syria is on Libya and Egypt are the others.

        http://startthinkingright DOT wordpress DOT com/2012/02/09/obamas-utterly-failed-policy-with-syria-egypt-iran-libya-iraq-afghanistan-and-the-entire-middle-east-is-a-clear-and-present-danger/

        http://www DOT nytimes DOT com/2014/05/04/opinion/sunday/president-obama-and-the-world DOT html?_r=0

        http://www DOT nytimes DOT com/2012/12/09/world/middleeast/syrian-rebels-tied-to-al-qaeda-play-key-role-in-war DOT html?pagewanted%253Dall

      • History

        Oh I see, no matter what happens on the planet and who the players are, for you “Obama did it. “

      • Charles Vincent

        No when the next idiot comes along and does this sort of crap I will blame him not Obama unlike those on the left and Obama who blame bush or Reagan or whom ever make a convenient scapegoat instead of blaming your precious wunderboy Obama.

      • History

        Now you’re just being disingenuous.
        Shouldn’t that statement read, “next left wing/democrat/liberal comes along” because we both know (after going to the sites you posted that work) that you really would never criticize a republican/right wing/conservative president. Be honest.

      • Charles Vincent

        Ooh so close history… Party affiliation is irrelevant. Stupid does not discriminate based on party if you haven’t figured that out yet you have larger issues.

      • History

        ” unlike those on the left and Obama who blame bush or Reagan or whom ever make a convenient scapegoat instead of blaming your precious wunderboy Obama. ”
        That is a partisan statement along party lines and you made it. So, who has the issues?

      • Charles Vincent

        So you’re saying they don’t blame bush is that it? Furthermore that portion of my comment is out of context presumably in an attempt to create a straw-man argument.

        My full comment in context;

        “No when the next idiot comes along and does this sort of crap I will blame him not Obama unlike those on the left and Obama who blame bush or Reagan or whom ever make a convenient scapegoat instead of blaming your precious wunderboy Obama.”

        Notice I said next idiot not next democrat/liberal/progressive, or republican. Which is an inclusive phrase referenced here; “No when the next idiot comes along and does this sort of crap I will blame him”.

        “So, who has the issues?”
        Apparently you are the one with issues since you have clearly demonstrated a willingness to engage in contextomy, in a poor attempt to create a straw-man argument because you cannot fathom that people have legitimate and factual reasons for disliking the current administrations policies.

      • History

        ” unlike those on the left and Obama who blame bush or Reagan or whom ever make a convenient scapegoat instead of blaming your precious wunderboy Obama.” In context it’s still a partisan statement. Pointing out the partisan nature of your statements isn’t a strawman when we’re talking about partisan statements

      • Charles Vincent

        No because I think both sides do the same shit that not partisan it’s called seeing the big picture. Second the left consistently blames all our problems on others instead of placing blame for the Obama administrations mistake on the Obama administration where they rightfully belong

      • History

        First you claim to be non-partisan then you slam the left. Do you see the hypocrisy of your statement?

      • Charles Vincent

        Umm it isn’t hypocrisy we are talking about Obama not past presidents other than the lefts favorite scapegoat Bush Jr., quit engaging in hyperbole. If you want we can discuss the things bush actually did wrong it’s a list almost as big as obamas and just as well documented. Or perhaps Reagan choose your poison but stop going off the rails because I am slamming your golden boy Obama.

      • History

        Hyperbole: an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to betaken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”

        Pointing out the hypocrisy of your statement isn’t hyperbole.To state, “I think both sides are the same, but that side does things I really don’t like.” , nullifies the first half of your statement. Either they are the some and both sides do it, or you don’t think they are the same and are making a hypocritical statement.

        You have some real problems with comprehension and cognitive dissonance.

      • Charles Vincent

        Not really and your lack of being able to use adult words proves my point both side do it but right now I am not concerned with the right because right now Obama is the problem that’s not hypocrisy it’s dealing with current events. But keep up the name calling it’s the first sign of cognitive dissonance. i.e. I have presented something that goes against your ideological point of view and instead of refuting my argument with facts you resort to puerile insults like some toddler on a playground.

        On a side note hyperbole also means to exaggerate, which is what you were doing.

      • History

        Hyperbole :exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.
        Let’s use the entire definition.
        Exaggerated or extravagant the statement isn’t to be taken literally. Regardless, I was doing neither. You are the one who has resulted to name calling, not me.
        Perhaps you were writing that comment to yourself, since it applies more to you than it does to me.

      • Charles Vincent

        “You have some real problems with comprehension and cognitive dissonance.”

        You made that statement and yes all of your posts here have been either condescending or peppered with insults that’s you not me I merely reciprocated. Do you even read what you write?

        And you still haven’t refuted anything I said you just went off on a tangent about how I am being partisan which is a gross assumption on your part based solely on my assertion that Obama is doing a poor job as president and recycles bush policies. None of which you have refuted. Have a nice time being willfully ignorant and an intransigent koolaide swilling mouth piece for a two faced snakes on either side of the same coin.

      • History

        Sorry, blame shifting isn’t an effective debate tactic, and that is what your are trying to do. While the statement you quoted above may be condescending it’s not resorting to ” puerile insults like some toddler on a playground”. That’s all on you. I’m done with you. Go find someone else to vent your impotent rage on.

      • Charles Vincent

        I shifted the blame hahaha right… Do you want your ball? Before you go home that is…

      • proudvet

        Not true. The informed and patriotic electorate voted to put him in office, twice. I am totally disgusted with the Republican’s in office. Every time a bill comes up that is beneficial for all our Veteran’s they vote it down. Of course what can be expected from a party that idolizes and claims the draft dodger poop stain Ted Nugent is a real American patriot. Republican’s, we will send you to fight but when you return, screw you.

      • Charles Vincent

        You need to read what I wrote your comment is off topic and non sequitur. further more you might want to check the amount of bills that came out of the house and were shelved by the dems and harry reid in the senate.

      • Connie Chastain

        He got elected with voter fraud; an old Democrat practice from way back.

      • darylhannah

        Charles is obviously from the south

      • Charles Vincent

        No Charles is from Colorado. Way to make yourself look like an idiot.

      • Sandra Burleson

        WTF difference does it make, where he’s from? I don’t agree with him, but being stupid does not = being from the South.

      • Robyn Ryan

        He’s still our legally elected President. Please stop embarrassing US in public.

      • Charles Vincent

        Stop embarrassing yourself Robyn it’s congress’ duty to actively thwart unconstitutional actions by the duly elected president the founders knew this and so should you.

      • Rochelle Lynn Dunlap

        This “Congress” vowed to thwart President Obama the minute he was elected in 2008, long before he supposedly made any “unconstitutional actions”…where does it say anything about that in all your research?

      • Charles Vincent

        Right next to all the bills that came out of the house that were shelved by Harry Reid. And next to that the democratic obstruction of bush and all the prior government shutdowns on either side of the isle Missy.

      • Charles Vincent

        In this spirit it may be remarked that the equal vote allowed to each State is at once a
        constitutional recognition of the portion of sovereignty remaining in the individual States
        and an instrument for preserving that residuary sovereignty. So far the equality ought to be
        no less acceptable to the large than to the small States; since they are not less solicitous to
        guard, by every possible expedient, against an improper consolidation of the States into
        one simple republic.
        Another advantage accruing from this ingredient in the constitution of the Senate is the
        additional impediment it must prove against improper acts of legislation. No law or
        resolution can now be passed without the concurrence, first, of a majority of the people,
        and then of a majority of the States.
        James Madison, Federalist # 62

      • Charles Vincent

        Stop embarrassing yourself Robyn the founders knew gridlock was appropriate to block unconstitutional laws.
        In the legislature, promptitude of decision is oftener an evil than a benefit. The differences
        of opinion, and the jarring of parties in that department of the government, though they
        may sometimes obstruct salutary plans, yet often promote deliberation and circumspection,
        and serve to check excesses in the majority.
        Alexander Hamilton, Federalist # 70

      • Robyn Ryan

        That’s why we have a bi-cameral congress. Not gridlock.

        Hamilton was an ass.

      • Charles Vincent

        Sorry you’re wrong again they talk about that in the federalist papers as well. And Madison concurred with Hamilton. Jay was the only one who didn’t comment on this subject so 2/3 of the federalist thought gridlock was a useful and necessary impediment to passing bad laws.

      • Charles Vincent

        Also please explain why a PhD like you doesn’t know these basic things about our government.
        For reference;
        Robyn Ryan
        Retired Air Force Major Ph.D., American Studies, UH-Manoa 2004 Married to Blue Max, blues guitarist. 2 Bull Terriers Member, Krewe of Pirates

      • Bill

        I don’t much like the guy either, but your assertions that he’s a “he’s a liar and a fraud and unfit to hold the office” are more than a little over the top, don’t you think? How about you list some examples of just how he’s a “he’s a liar and a fraud and unfit to hold the office.”

        BTW, you cannot use Campaign Promises to show that he’s “a liar,” as that would be EVERY politician in office, as well.

      • Charles Vincent

        He is a liar time magazine voted his two headed lie about the ACA as the lie of the year. He is a fraud because he intentionally decieved the public with the above stated lie. And he is unfit to hold office for the same reasons.
        How about you learn how to stop drinking the Koolaide and then learn to read.

      • Sean Jones

        Good thing the right leaning Supreme Court was there to stop this horrible, illegal piece of legislature…….

      • Charles Vincent

        and they would have had they not been lied to by the architect of the bill Johnathan Gruber. Please stay current. And then there’s that new SCOTUS case on the ACA that will most likely kill the law.

      • Quirkydude Kev

        you’re an idiot

      • Charles Vincent

        Hmm time called Obama’s to quotes the lie of the year. And new video suggests that he was party to the fraud perpetrated on the American citizens known as the ACA, I am afraid you are the idiot for believing what the lying fraud told you.

      • rboberg

        Bush lied and thousands died–The health insurance companies have skimmed off 30% to 40% of your premiums for themselves and not allowed 40 million Americans to be insured- And you complain about ACA– Do your homework- Ignorance kills.

      • Charles Vincent

        You might want to do yours and hope your in a state that has a state run exchange dillhole and try reading the actual law before you talk about it turd burglar. And be quick before your willful ignorance kills you.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        well; whats thy “opine” regarding a president who CANNOT work with a part of congress which has already- years ago– loudly proclaimed ( even before said president took office ) that THE#Y will NOT ever pass anything/work with said president? ( that insipid proclamation was chronicled )

      • Charles Vincent

        Perhaps they saw through the smoke and mirrors before most other people.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        ask yourself– is that their job? Hmmmmm,,,,,,,,,,,,, their paid job is to govern. they have not– they have blocked all attempts- right or “wrong” to lead America forward. Best part??? YOU KNOW that if ( somehow) repubs take senate and now the dems obstruct the crybaby shitbag rightwing FOX ”news” and cadre will be crying a thousand times louder. bottom line? repubs are scum ; even worse than dems– the production(??) they have achieved is visible.

      • Charles Vincent

        It’s definitely their job to not go along with unlawful or unconstitutional behavior. Personally I think they all need to be fired and we need term limits among other things. I have no doubt that should the senate switch their will be obstruction by the democrats and in that event I see the whole nuclear option the democrats voted on biting them in the ass.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        so; by extrapolation you state that everything the dems TRY to pass in unlawful?
        chuck– your a buffoon. just keep chewing on the 324/2 billion wasted by tea party trash in house led govt shutdown. the fiscally prudent party

      • Charles Vincent

        No I was saying in general not specific T.

      • Cat Marcuri

        Sorry, Charles, but I have to completely disagree with you. It was Dubya who got the Patriot Act passed, and through that document enemy combatants do NOT have those rights. Therefore, the President is not to be held responsible, because he WAS given those powers by Congress (although the idea that they gave those rights to a black guy who got elected next is probably giving them complete hissy fits). So far, Obama has done absolutely nothing deserving of jail time, or even impeachment. If he HAD, you know damn good and well that the Republican House would have already held the hearing. But he’s done NOTHING, so they can’t do anything to him. All they can do is constantly manufacture phony complaints to try to make him look bad. Reality? They’re making THEMSELVES look bad. People are paying attention, and the Republicans are on the edge of talking themselves completely out of power of any kind…sad, but true.

      • Charles Vincent

        “but I have to completely disagree with you. It was Dubya who got the Patriot Act passed,”

        Congress passes legislation not the president.

        “and through that document enemy combatants do NOT have those rights.”

        They did not prove any of the three to be enemy combatants.

        “Therefore, the President is not to be held responsible, because he WAS given those powers by Congress (although the idea that they gave those rights to a black guy who got elected next is probably giving them complete hissy fits).”

        The president is the commander in chief of the armed forces he only need a declaration of war from congress, further more he can commit troops for a period of time or order missions with out congress in that period. He used the war powers act to order the drone strikes. He had sole discretion in the killing of the American citizens. therefore he is the one to be held accountable.

        ” So far, Obama has done absolutely nothing deserving of jail time, or even impeachment. If he HAD, you know damn good and well that the
        Republican House would have already held the hearing. But he’s done NOTHING, so they can’t do anything to him. All they can do is constantly manufacture phony complaints to try to make him look bad.”

        Your blind devotion to the party line look ridiculous ma’am. Please stop drinking the koolaid. Inclosing people like you need to be kept very, very far from the leavers of power.

      • Andrew Nason

        Are you really that fucking stupid. There was never a vote by congress to go to war. Bush Used his power to jump us into waR IN iRAQ. tHE VOTE WAS NEVER HELD! rEALLY you fucking moron that was why the cry went out and that is why Your fuck buddies can not leave this country on risk of arrest for war crimes they Have already been convicted in international courts.

      • Charles Vincent

        Hahahaha this discussion isn’t about bush or his flunkies bud. It’s about Obama and his flunkies. Please learn to read. Second this ad hominem filled post means you have no argument or have the mental capacity of a child who struggles with adult words an concepts. Have a nice day mouthbreather.

      • Charles Vincent

        “The Iraq Resolution or the Iraq War Resolution (formally the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002,[1] Pub.L. 107–243, 116 Stat. 1498, enacted October 16, 2002, H.J.Res. 114) is a joint resolution passed by the United States Congress in October 2002 as Public Law No: 107-243, authorizing military action against Iraq.”

        http://en DOT wikipedia DOT org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution

      • ChickensUnited

        Ummm… ‘levers of power.’

      • baystater

        Charles thinks it’s Obama’s fault when things go bad, but it’s Congress fault when it leads to Bush.

      • Charles Vincent

        Bush didn’t write or pass budgets congress does and congress authorized Iraq. Obama signed directly the orders to kill 3 American citizens via drone strikes which is a direct violation of the 5th amendment. That sir is Obama’s fault and his alone as he did not consult congress.

      • Sandra Burleson

        I remember Bush and Rumsfeld got up and lied their asses off about Iraq, to get congress to sign off on it. Remember “yellow cake,” and “weapons of mass destruction?”

      • Charles Vincent

        That was information that came out of UN and nato reports they didnt just cook that up as well as our own intelligence community. here is a list of quotes from snopes that they consider true from government officials on Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction et. al. so it wasn’t just Bush and Rumsfeld.

        http://www DOT snopes DOT com/politics/war/wmdquotes DOT asp

        I see a lot of democrats on that list, so if Bush and Rumsfeld lied so did they.

      • Sandra Burleson

        FINALLY, something we can agree on. I know that there were Democrats on that list- probably the dumbasses from my state. They all lied.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        oh,,,,this just in: phil Jensen ( R) south Dakota says business should be allowed to NOT serve African americans. *( read it before U bitch about how its legal/ etc)
        those freedom loving tea party repubs!!!

      • Charles Vincent

        Stupid doesn’t discriminate based on party or creed et al T.

      • kduke

        Uh, that was their official position right after the first election. Remember? “Our job is to keep him from getting re-elected.” Before he had taken office. So perhaps the ‘smoke and mirrors’ are what they have been dazzling your brain with for all these years.

      • Charles Vincent

        No I was referring to the smoke and mirrors from his first election but I guess my post was too subtle and you didn’t catch that. I knew he was full of crap during his first election bid and I surmise others did as well.

      • lindylou

        Lyndon Johnson, the wheelingest-dealingest of them all!

      • Robyn Ryan

        LBJ…..

      • Brenden Donaldson

        so much fail

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        that made a lot of sense. shouldn’t U be praising jeeeesus?

    • Cole Howard

      also, when it comes to gay rights, the “religious right” are the ones who back the recent laws like prop 8 and the bill in Arizona which was recently vetoed! I saw we tell the religious right that , “ok, u want to play politics, then churches in America are no longer tax-exempt”!!

      • Cat Marcuri

        I agree. If a church wants to participate in government, then they need to pay taxes. The reason they DON’T pay taxes is because they’re SUPPOSED to be using that money to help the poor and sick and orphaned. Don’t see any of THAT going on, do you? I say, that mentality is outdated. Time to tax the bastards, just like every other meddling corporation.

      • Alexis Betancourt

        So true and about time that they tax all religious organizations and cults.

      • Robyn Ryan

        If churches paid taxes, we would have a budget surplus.

      • OMG_LOL

        Nooooooooooooo!!!! I feel you on the sentiment, totally do… but I do not want the churches taxed. “No taxation without Representation!” and Separation of Church and State are the only things keeping us from falling back into the Dark Ages and Burning Heretics. They are tax exempt so that they can stake no claim in Gov’t.
        Churches should be disbanded for engaging in politics and their leaders deported… but never should they be given the opportunity to take the collection plates and turn them into political action committees because they pay taxes. NEVER.

      • Rumpole43

        Uhhhh, which corporations? The small ones which do pay taxes?

      • Alexis Betancourt

        Oh don’t you know that Joni Ernst stated “we have lost a reliance on not only our own families, but so much of what our churches and private organizations used to do. They used to have wonderful food pantries. They used to provide clothing for those that really needed it. But we have gotten away from that. ” The magic word here is “used to have”. Now we know where the monies for this goes.

      • Belle

        Apparently you don’t go to church then. So you judge something you know nothing about. I find it funny those of you who know nothing about a particular topic, are quick to judge and condemn. As if your trying to make an excuse for your ignorance.
        As a former Northerner, I moved South ten years ago. I see plenty of churches, including the one I attend OFTEN paying utility bills, food and clothing for poor people. When was the last time you did that?
        The article is biased and not based on facts.
        First of all, Northern states also had slavery. Guess you didn’t want to know that little bit of truth did you?? My ancestors served for the Union, and it wasn’t to free slaves, but to preserve the Union. Perhaps you “knuckle dragging” heathens should learn true history before you make any opinion of it.

      • Christie Densmore

        Well said. My ancestors fought for the South and NEVER owned slaves. Also read Lincolns speeches he didnt care about slavery, only preserving the Union.
        Southern states are not the only ones to have issues with segregation (care to look up what happened in New York when school buses tried to bring black children to white schools?). The Southern states are not the only one opposed to same sex marriage.
        Just another little nugget of truth the KKK was founded by democrats.
        I can also assure you as someone who has a biracial child.living in and from Georgia, I have experiences far more prejudice from people.from PA than anyone.locally.
        This is an I’ll thought out and not well supported article.

      • moussetaffy

        Yes, about being ill thought out. But I perceive the article as being tongue-in-cheek, not to be taken seriously.

      • Mark Brewster

        At the time the KKK was FOUNDED, the parties had the opposite ideologies they have today, too. How “convenient” for you to forget that little tidbit.

      • OMG_LOL

        Allow me to add Nugget of Truth #2 Lincoln did care about slavery, but like all politicians, his motives were socio-political, not altruistic.. nothing new there. But somehow progress is still made.
        Nugget of Truth #3 – The “Democrats” of the civil war era are not the same democratic party of today, nor is the Republican party the same as it was.
        and Nugget #4, the “Republican” party was actually kicked out of the electorate caucuses TWICE in its history. just a little perspective without judgement there. Everyone’s a history buff these days….

      • Diane E Mitchell

        As a fellow Southern transplant, I have seen nary a church in this large college town that would think to help someone who wasn’t part of their own congregation. Unless they are from an undeveloped country and can use the guise of “help” to spread their gospel.
        While I think that the verbiage in this article is a terribly harsh, this is a case of the squeaky wheel getting the oil. The ideas that a lot of the southern politicians try to push on the basis of religion are terribly backwards and condescending (take the latest abortion amendment proposed in the great state of Tennessee).

      • OMG_LOL

        “Apparently you don’t go to church then. So you judge something you know nothing about. ” I’m gonna go out on a limb here, and say that your probably don’t know the person you responded to before you said this? because, that’s the pot calling the kettle black, in two sentences. Just sayin’, that’s a commonality and I don’t see how you two don’t get along better, LOL.
        And yes, this article is biased (particularly the knuckle-dragging part), but also is based upon fact. It’s true the north had slavery too, but the whole point of the civil war was that the northern states were willing to give it up for the sake of good sense and the Union. Or did -you- perhaps miss the point of that war? there goes the pot, calling the kettle black again.
        You would make better argument if you didn’t sound so reactionary and judgemental – you know, everything you pointed out as wrong about this article and the person you responded to. :(

      • trapperrick

        The northern states had abolished slavery decades before the Civil War. The slave states that seceded did so for the protection and preservation of the institution.

      • Nancy

        When are we going to stop letting California and the LGBT ruin this country?

      • Sarah Williford

        Actually I do see quite a lot of that going on. You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about.

      • Connie Chastain

        The left has used churches for political activity for generations. I guess you think it’s okay when your side does it?

    • Alexis Betancourt

      You are so right.

    • Sam Brosenberg

      Pathetically true. This month’s election turnout (36.4%) makes me want to vomit.

    • LJRhodes

      Midterm elections are actually just as important as presidential elections, if not more so. Congress is where all the power is. Whether we get this or that law, whether we repeal this or that law…whether we go to war. All done by Congress. Even presidential vetoes can be overridden by Congress.

      So, for people not to turn out to vote in a midterm is absolutely disastrous not just for a democratic society, but for democracy itself.

    • garry lafferty

      GOP are nuts Obama the best president we have had in along time. Better then Reagan on there records . Bush w election was rigged the world laughed at us when Bush was reelected. The world was glad to see Obama reelected except the terrorist and GOP fascist.

    • Chris Cox

      The South’s fight was more complex than any of you “Progressive” morons could fathom.

      Lincoln wanted blacks rounded up, & sent back to Africa, & had he not been assassinated, it may have happened – which would have taken away the modern-day “Progressive” self-righteousness.

      The KKK was just as active – if not more active up north – & today, it’s splinter groups are heavily recruiting – up north.

      But let’s go back to reversing the dogma: read Lincoln’s opinion of blacks in general – from the Lincoln-Douglas debates, & it will reinforce the reasoning of Lincoln’s desire to have blacks shipped back to Africa.

      See, Progressives: whatever it is, you blame on everyone else: you are ten times more guilty.

      • Chris Cox

        Why did the Civil War start, w/the cannons firing on Ft. Sumpter to break up a NAVAL BLOCKADE???

        Slavery eventually became the excuse to perpetuate the war, but it was started over trade agreements & foreign royals meddling in American politics, so they could sell weapons to both sides, & thus position themselves to pick a winner – the discount on weapons ensures who the winner will be.

        Then, it’s simply a matter of the foreign royals to cash in favors from the victors who received the heaviest weapons discount – favors that benefit the foreign royals – like the eventual establishment of the Federal Reserve – which is a bank, the queen of England OWNS to this day.

    • OMG_LOL

      aaaaaand for the record, 8 months later, left and center (especially in my backwards state of FLorida) completely neglected the mid-term elections. I’d have to say, you nailed it. :(

  • lebaby

    I am one of those who seriously wish they all would leave the US and go somewhere else to live like cavepeople.

    • copylefty

      This is not a solution. I’m a progressive living in Texas and I do my best to influence those around me to think like I do. It’s a challenge, but what I have found is that even people who are conservatives and disagree with me are generally good, decent people who only want what’s best for their families and America in general. They just believe that the way to achieve these goals is different than we do.

      I will not defend racists or bigots – there are many in the south, but they’re not as prevalent as many people think. They are a minority that’s over-represented because they’re loud and lack shame… However you are guilty of the same faults they are when you use terms like ‘cavepeople.’ If you really think that everyone in the south deserves to be categorized into such a disgusting generalization, then you’re the one who is ignorant – ignorant of the reality of life in the south. By making a generalization like that you’re no better than a racists who flies a confederate flag.

      • Rab Simpson

        “This is not a solution.”

        It is if the regressives point blank refuse to get with the programme.

        Where I live we’ll hopefully be seceding from a poisonous union controlled by psychotic, money grabbing right wingers before the end of the year (our independence referendum is in September), meaning that instead of trying to change a system we currently have no voice in (Scotland’s vote hasn’t decided a Westminister election in recent memory) we’re breaking away so that we can make our own decisions without the influence of the ultra-greedy, and we hope our friends who live south of the border (in England and Wales) who’re also disenfranchised will be inspired to do something to improve their lot also.

  • Cyndi Williams

    When I read this, I thought I’d accidently stumbled on a debate piece from a middle school. While some points might be relevant and ring true in some individuals, as a long time liberal resident of East Nashville, I can tell you your ‘speech’ is as hate filled and bigoted as any extreme conservative I’ve ever encountered here in the South, which from your mouth, curdles on the screen. Maybe you should take a page from Dr. Martin Luther King,Nelson Mandela and Gandi when they were standing against ignorance and fear. What they did, brave and smart, was to never talk smack about others they felt were keeping them down… they won through kindness, contact and standing their ground to show hate cannot live where love stands. Good luck to you in your maturing into a compassionate adult.

    • robingee

      We know that there are pockets of Liberal progressive smart people in the south. But when I visit my family in NC, I see the Confederate flag everywhere as well as religious billboards telling me I am going to Hell if I don’t fight abortion and that “This town listens to Rush Limbaugh on 88.1 AM!” – it’s a whole different mindset down there and you have to admit that.

      That being said, no one thinks that 100% of southern people are ignorant backwater rubes.

      • Dubalub

        Being from NC, I’m going to go ahead and tell you that you’re wrong. I hardly ever see confederate flags. Maybe it’s just your family that’s backwards. I’ll agree that there is an annoyingly large number of religious billboards, but confederate flags? You’re off your rocker. It’s not a “whole different mindset.” Maybe you just generalize too much.

      • robingee

        My family that is backwards? They don’t have the Confederate flag, they are progressive liberals. Their neighbors have one and the convenience store down the road has one. Telling me I am “off my rocker” when I am looking at a billboard selling guns that says “Defend The Constitution” is completely off-base.

        The way you are speaking to me makes you sound like one of the people the author is talking about. You are making his own case for him.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        robingee——————- im with ya but lets face it: you and I wont ever change the “thought” pattern of these crybabies,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        they like who they are

      • copylefty

        Wow… you criticize the author for supposed hate-speech, then start dishing out insults to someone who provides a little anecdotal evidence. I’m not going to disagree that generalizations about southerners are unfortunately overused – I’m from Texas and I know there are many progressive thinkers in the cities here, but I’m also well aware of the all the redneck assholes who would love to reinstate slavery and secede from the union so they could create a religious state.

        I hate it when people make statements about Texas that basically categorize all of us as ignorant hicks, but I understand why they do so. All of us tend to generalize, and there are plenty of idiots in Texas who make us lok bad all the time. The same can be said for NC – just look at the governors of both our states.

        You need to check the insults and open your eyes. I don’t blame you for defending your state since I do the same thing. I know many good people from both states, but I also know plenty of assholes from both states as well. Avoid the insults though, or you end up looking like an asshole yourself.

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        Maybe you and s/he don’t visit the same parts of NC.

      • mrm1138

        That’s a good point. I was just in NC a couple years ago for a wedding in a suburban/rural area. It was the type of place where a white man could get away with saying, “Shit nigger damn!” as his own personal catchphrase. (I know this because one of the groomsmen did that very thing.) After the wedding, we then went to visit a friend in Chapel Hill, and the difference was night and day. (It probably helps that Chapel Hill is a college town.)

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        I hear Chapel Hill is a really great town!

      • mrm1138

        Yeah, it’s beautiful! I generally like college towns, so that helps.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        I a native of south FLA— Caucasian. I firmly believe that all confederate flags should be gone. they LOST,,,,they stood for slavery ( among other stuff) and were the home of the KKK
        ===================================
        funny how ” Christians ” decry moslem or jewish flags,,,,,but confederate flags??
        ” dat beeee OK”

      • James Worcester

        Tegu, Confederate flags stand for slavery in the minds of of the North (for the most part). The home of the KKK, the city in which it was founded, is Kokomo, Indiana. The Confederate flag was hijacked by the KKK in the manner that the Navy Jack was hijacked by the Teabillies.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        good stuff U state!
        I still think the conf flag should be mothballed

      • buricco

        I’d say prolly about 10-20% of upstate New Yorkers are “ignorant backwater rubes” though.

    • Rab Simpson

      Don’t be so butthurt, and don’t be so blind to the backwards thinking that surrounds you. In all likeliness you drown it out because you see it and hear it every day, this is what our senses do, why do you think you don’t notice your nose unless you specifically look right at it?

      When people attack ‘the south’, it’s an attack on backwards and regressive thinking, because that’s what the south is famous for. We all know full well that there are some progressives in southern states, but like morality in the bible and sweetcorn in fecal matter, they are few and far between.

      It’s an attack on concepts and ways of thinking, not people. If people take offence to these attacks, maybe they need to take a long, hard look at themselves and wonder why they identify with such negative things.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        to agree totally with your quip about blindness……….
        ” there are none so blind as those who WILL NOT see”

    • MLR

      You think this piece is filled with hate and bigoted?? Why don’t you try going to some conservative websites and read their articles and their comments section? They will make you cry in disgust. When I first started reading the comments section right after PBO got elected I literally became depressed and started having sleeping problems. Call me naive but I had no idea that level of hate and racism still existed.

      • copylefty

        Sad but true… What I find frightening is that the racists have used PBO’s election and re-election as if it’s some personal offense, and how DARE that black man think he can be President??? These are unfortunately very real attitudes of some sad and ignorant people in America and it’s a disgraceful stain on the rest of the nation.

      • cozyk

        My hope and prayer is that that those generations will die off and the upcoming generations will be more enlightened,

    • Adam Brian

      you know ther is a time for dicourse love kindness i do agree however there is also a time for hate anger and just a straight up ass kicken.

  • Frank Koch

    I’m from the South this article is bullshit for the most part, and you wonder why we respond so appropriately to this with Fuck You

    • Justin

      The author is from Texas.

      • I’m Only Here to Read Comments

        Which claims to be a “whole other country” and threatens to leave the US on a regular basis. I say let them leave and take all the illegals with them so they can create their own country.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        and as I am a suffering cowboy fan,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        leave the great uniforms– take everything else

    • Luke

      I understand that your feelings may be hurt. However, replying with poor grammar, name-calling, and vulgarity does more to support the validity of the article than to refute it.

    • robingee

      If you are a smart, liberal progressive person, you will understand that no one thinks 100% of southern people are like this and you will also understand why the author is citing the examples that they are citing.

      You will also respond in a thoughtful manner and not just blurt, HEY FUCK YOU because that makes you sound like the kind of person the author is describing, don’t you think?

    • wiredpup

      Do you pray to your god with that potty mouth?

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        only when he wants something
        (NOTE: ‘prayer’ is actually begging)

    • vinman043

      It’s your attitude that gives the south its reputation. Think about that.

      • cozyk

        Yes Frank, you did us southerns no favors with your rant.

    • Rab Simpson

      Interesting surname, any relation to Charles and David?

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        ” he is sister”,,,,,,

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      brilliant comeback,,,,,
      tea party regressive material

    • duchat

      Same to you, buddy.
      With love from New Jersey.

  • Frank Koch

    Your a bunch of bigots

    • Harry Johnson

      You’re

    • Rab Simpson

      Seemingly, you’re bright orange.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        orange pekoe “TEA”

  • Heather Ashe Malone

    I’m from the South and I’m a liberal… Just saying there’s more of us than you think.

    • Christopher Salihe Payne

      Every time I see an article like this talking about how the South is and has been dragging down this country, and by extension, the entire world, for decades, a few people pop up with an almost identical, “I’m from the South, and I’m a liberal” type statement.

      If there’s that many more of you guys than the rest of us think, then how come it’s so hard to tell?

      The Confederate Secret Police isn’t a thing (yet), so you guys can come out from your attics and basement hiding spots to vote and whatnot :P

      • Rick Catdaddy Blankenship

        We do vote, we speak out and participate to no avail, that being said what is your solution to the ignorance of the South?

      • surfjac

        Get out now while you still have your sanity.

      • Sunny Ray

        Free mandatory education.

      • Chris Lee

        I’m the only liberal in a large family of all conservatives in Oklahoma. I always vote blue but around here, it’s kind of like spitting into the wind. We try but we’re just hopelessly outnumbered.

      • Dave

        Only because I moved out of OK. Thought I was the only democrat in OK. So I left.

      • SueTX

        I’m the only liberal in a very large conservative family in south Texas. It has made for some extremely tough family discussions when I will NOT allow my LGBT friends to be disrespected. I’m very vocal about Marriage Equality & other touchy subjects.
        But I raised my kids right! Though not as loud as I am, they both vote progressive.
        Personally I will never vote for a republican again, not even for dog catcher. It’s going to take at least 2 generations to clean the crazy out of the gene pool here.

      • copylefty

        I’m like you Sue, a liberal in a family full of whacko Texas conservatives. I’ll never vote for a Republican again either, and I’m doing my best to get anyone who will listen to me to change their voting habits as well. It’s a slow process but eventually we’ll have an impact.

      • Steve Giovanis

        It’s only a matter of time before the demographics of Texas turns the political tied.

      • cozyk

        So happy to see the southern state liberals speak up here. Does my heart good. Because I am surrounded here in SC by conservatives, and it’s very difficult to find like thinkers.

      • buricco

        I think people like you are the key to cleaning the crazy out of the south and out of red parts of the north. :)

      • cozyk

        I like that…cleaning out the crazy!

      • cozyk

        Exactly! Both of my children are progressives. Although their father is not, I taught them “reason” and progressive is what they chose. I did not teach them what to think, but HOW to think for themselves.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        must be fun at thanksgiving and Christmas dinners

      • Cat Marcuri

        We are also liberals in the very conservative state of Arkansas. We are outnumbered too, but we keep fighting. The more kids we get educated and thinking, the bluer the state will go. It is going to take time, but we WILL change the mindset. I have faith, because I talk to the teenagers around here, and they’re not like their folks. I consider that a good sign.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        U are a winner as U keep trying,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        Im very appreciative!! I was in west Memphis and Jonesboro ( door2door sales as an 18 yr old- out of Memphis) and even though I was just a teen stoner then I did see the regression all over ( as well as Alabama and Mississippi)
        faith cannot move the mountain without the shovel
        ========================================
        keep doing what U are doing: progress will not be stopped!!

      • cozyk

        Same here Chris Lee. Shame on you Christopher Salihe Payne for assuming we are hiding in our attics! I expect more from a progressive thinker..

      • william

        I am a transplanted NY’er living in Fla only because I can’t afford to live in NY anymore,, I am a far left wing liberal I believe in pro choice, lesbian and gay rights and voted for Obama both times, I also voted Democrat and Green in 2010,, maybe a voice in the wilderness, but I’m independent and won’t vote along party lines,, I have volunteered with the local Dem party and the Green party…. and I’m going to vote with my beliefs and conscience in Nov and 2016,,,which the way things have been going for the past 4 yrs,, will be voting against any GOP incumbent and will be voting for Hillary in 2016

      • Erin Anne Coyle

        Amen William! I am exactly like you except I am from NY and now live in GA.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        mirrors my sentiment except I grew up in south fla

      • cozyk

        We DO vote. We have 100′s of years of culture to undo, and we are fighting for more progressive thinking. Support our efforts and stop shaming us.

      • Sandra Burleson

        I haven’t missed an election since I registered to vote AT 18. Never voted Repuglican, never will. As for the “whatnot,” wouldn’t you like to know? PS: I live in Alabama.

    • LittleMissSunshine1

      Me too Heather.

    • ChiTownGrl

      Can you tell me where? I live in the south and I can’t find any.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        go to tea party rallies,,,,,,,,,, hand out at bars where white congregate
        go to bowling alleys or biker pool halls

      • ChiTownGrl

        Really? Wow!

    • Rab Simpson

      But seemingly still vastly outnumbered by people desperate to drag everyone back to the stone age.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        amen

    • Melissa

      I am from southern Alabama, and I am a liberal. I find that younger generations in the South are more liberal. That being said, the younger generations are often disillusioned when it comes to elections. There is a pervasive attitude of ‘It doesn’t matter if I vote. It won’t change anything. Republicans always win in *insert southern state*’

      Also, there is so much of a stigma attached to being liberal it is hard for some people to go against their families and sometimes friends. Additionally, articles like this attacking southerners does not entice young southerners to vote ‘like you’. Even as a liberal, feminist, atheist who very happily speaks out about her thoughts and beliefs, I found this article to be very insulting towards myself as a southerner. It reminds me of those Christians who will, in order to explain to me why I should be Christian, exhibit nothing but hatefulness by telling me how I’m ‘going to hell’ and rejecting me on a personal level (this is, for the information of prejudicial non-southerners, a rare occurrance).

      If you want us ‘stupid southerners’ to listen to you, it might help to stop calling us ‘stupid southerners’.

      • Jennifer Vice

        I agree mostly, but we have to own up to some of this when friggin Roy Moore gets elected….Geez!

      • Adam Brian

        the point is to not explain to the southern states anything. Just let them have their own country. Besides southern states are a drag on the economy and progression. I am for letting southern states succede. This will never happen without war though because of the souths dependancy on northern money. The south would succede then go bankrupt the next day. So the solution is to limit the powere of southern states in politics and this should have happened after the civil war. The south should never have been allowed a seat of representation on the federal level. This can still happen today once people get tired enough and i think they are. I know i am and the people who think like this are in to many positions of real power that affects the northern population so its definitely time to do something.

      • cheapscot

        OMG how can someone be this ignorant?

      • Adam Brian

        Ignorant. Lol the northern state governments need cleaned up to but the south is just a major drain on the economy. Does that hurt your feelings. Too hard to hear that southern states take all the northern money. That’s what your mad about is the simple fake that states like Kentucky missisippi Alabama Georgia etc all put less In than they take out. Fact fact fact. This is what I’m really talking about.

      • James Worcester

        And what video game did you learn that from, Kid?

      • cozyk

        You are part of the problem,.

      • Adam Brian

        Before any of this can happen the Federal government needs cleaned out to. I know southern states are just as crooked as the northern states but the difference is southern states are a big time economic drain. This is a fact. That’s all I’m saying so deal with reality.

      • duchat

        The south would then cry, “taxation without representation.” Can you say, “original Tea Party?”

      • Jason Welzin

        THIS.

      • cozyk

        I was thinking the very same thing as I was reading this. An article that would IMPROVE the conditions in the south would be more like this…… “.BLUE Popping up all Over RED States”. That would encourage more and more progressives to speak out! Some are reluctant to go against their families, but there is strength in numbers.

      • Sandra Burleson

        Melissa, I’m 57, and I am also a liberal, feminist, agnostic (swear there ain’t no heaven, pray there ain’t no hell), and I speak out. Get some really strange looks from the bible thumping conservatives, when they don’t try to “convert” me to the dark side.

    • cozyk

      Southern liberal here too. My only complaint to the writer here is that he colors the ENTIRE south with the same brush. That makes it more difficult for us on the left to change It .Because those on the right take statements like yours as a compliment.

    • Sandra Burleson

      Thank you, Heather. Me, too.

  • robingee

    I have liberal, progressive family members that live in the south and they and their kind are doing all they can to move things forward but man, is it HARD. They are just drowning in ignorance and religious oppression down there. But you gotta keep fighting.

    • suburbancuurmudgeon

      As the man said, “You can’t fix stupid.” I admire their persistence, but I think it’s a losing battle.

      • robingee

        Can’t give up though, I mean women got the right to vote and slavery ended. Little by little.

    • cozyk

      I’m familiar with that difficulty. FB has reunited me with many of my classmates from high school. I’d say the ratio is 1 in 50 progressive to conservative.The political debates have gotten pretty hot. I have been defriended when I make a point that they don’t like. When people don’t like what they see when the mirror is held up, they run away. 40 years ago, in high school, none of us was really aware of what we stood for and how we saw the world. As we age, we find out who we are. Little did I know that some would be so backward.

  • duchat

    Well said! And I’m not joking when I say that I’d like the South to secede.

    • Ibby

      I moved to Atlanta in 1971 from New Jersey. I encountered more bigited , predudice people in NJ growing up than in Atlanta. I wish you would stop lumping everyone together and understand that there are good and bad folks everywhere.

      • duchat

        You are illiterate. “Bigited” should be spelled “Bigoted.” “Prejudice” should be spelled “Prejudiced.” If you can’t even spell these important terms, you are obviously too uneducated to understand them.

      • Jacqueline Reddy

        You are obviously to pretentious to get the message he was trying to put out there. It was a good message and a kind one. Shame on you. I am quite educated. I have the degrees. I understood what he was saying and I am not so pretentious and intellectually immature as to use a misspelled word to negate a very good point. Somehow it makes me doubt you are educated beyond Kindergarten.

      • Jacqueline Reddy

        *too

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        or interject “also” into the sentence

      • duchat

        PhD, as a matter of fact.

      • Jacqueline Reddy

        Somehow I doubt that. But if so how about acting like it.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        “im jethro bodine…..gotsa 6th grade edgy-cation”

      • copylefty

        OMFG, you are a grade-A douchebag. You’re as big a problem as any bigot in the south. Focusing on grammar and spelling while ignoring the message is an easy way for you to make yourself feel superior when in fact you’re as ignorant and blind as anyone you criticize.

      • duchat

        Hey, I don’t think that all Southerners are illiterate or bigoted. In fact, I would invite anyone from south of the Mason-Dixon who is literate and progressive to move to the North prior to formal secession and sealing of the border. The remaining people can stay there and rot in their cesspool of ignorance.

        Oh, and by the way, I spent ten years living in Texas and another year in North Carolina, so don’t even think of suggesting that I don’t understand what the South is really like.

      • Rab Simpson

        Grammar and spelling goes a long way in telling you about how much some people value a proper education.

        From a lot of what I’ve read, ‘book lernun’ isn’t very popular amongst southern populations.

      • copylefty

        I don’t disagree that grammar and spelling are important, but on an internet forum when people are firing off quick comments, often while at work, these things get overlooked. It’s not like this is Ibby’s resume. I’m actually one of those people who cringes when they see misspelled words because I’m a good speller. It always came naturally to me, and I have a degree in Mass Communication which required two years of journalism and editing so typos literally jump off the page at me. I was simply pointing out that duchat was ignoring the central issue of the comment in order to avoid responding to Ibby’s criticism.

        You and duchat are guilty of the same thing – lumping all southerners into categories you assume to be true… The south has some of the best universities in the entire nation. Accusing the entire region of illiteracy because some of the residents are not well-educated is another generalization that irks those of us who don’t fit your perceptions of southerners.

        Aren’t you from Scotland (I think you mentioned that in another comment)? Would it be fair for me to call you a kilt-wearing, scotch-chugging savage rapist who has nothing better to do than rebel against your betters like the English have been doing for hundreds of years? I didn’t think so…

      • Rab Simpson

        “You and duchat are guilty of the same thing – lumping all southerners into categories you assume to be true…”

        Read the rest of my comments here and you’ll understand just how false the statement above is.

        Also, since when have Scots been stereotyped as rapists? Kilt wearing, whisky guzzling savages I’ll give you, because we’ve been these things in the past and some of our population still are (not that there’s anything uncivilised about wearing kilts or drinking whisky), but rapists? No more than any other country which has been involved in imperialist conquests (and we only found ourselves party to this thanks to our political union with England).

        The problem with stereotypes is that more often than not there’s a certain level of truth involved thanks to the behaviour of people within that group in the past, and note has been taken. What we have to do is make sure to shed the negative aspects of said stereotypes, and from what I’ve seen (thanks to the southern state voting records and the outspokenness of the teabillies) a significant portion of the population in these states revel in their backwardness.

        I understand how personal vanity can take a hit when people describe those around you in an accurate manner due to how they conduct themselves in public, but you need to understand that no rational progressive is going to label *all of the people in the south* as toothless, banjo playing, sister banging, negro hating, jew zombie worshipping, gun toting, mouth breathing morons, only those who fit the description.

        The sad part for you is that there are still a great many who fit (at least part of) that description who can vote and consider it their civic duty to ‘keep out the libruls’ at all cost.

      • copylefty

        The rapist thing isn’t a recent criticism, but in the past, like during the 18th century, the British often accused political dissidents of savagery, which included crimes like raping British ladies. They were supposedly all sex-crazed barbarians :-)

      • duchat

        I earned my Masters and PhD degrees at the University of Texas at Austin, so I’m not criticizing Texas’ finest. It’s the rest of the people — the white, uneducated, churchgoing bible-thumpers — that seem to cause most of the problems.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        he won a spelling bee,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        never gets laid/ makes no money/ is overweight………
        but won a spelling bee ( at his church)

      • robingee

        Atlanta is a major city. And yes, there are bigots in NY and even NYC! Gay people are still being attacked here. But when it comes to the mindset, it is just different down south. You feel it the minute you get there.

  • I’m Only Here to Read Comments

    Yes, you just have to look at places like Chicago and Detroit to see how the Southern states have held this country back.

    • PRIME79

      Lol!! I love how all you right wingers say the exact same things over and over. Detroit and Chicago are yalls go to cities to cry about. Thing is the southern STATES are far more of a problem, as they are entire states and they make up an entire region of the Union. Nice try though, come back with a legit argument instead of just repeating the same things over and over and over.

      • Jacqueline Reddy

        Not a right winger. I am a Progressive Liberal. And a North Carolinian and I agree with him. Moreover shame on you and shame on this article for perpetuating divisiveness and hate within our ranks, We have enough trouble from the Tea Party and Libertarians without causing unnecessary dissent among fellow lefties and liberals. Again, shame on you.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        rightwing parroting he be!!

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      those are cities,,,,,,,,,,,,,not states…… care to attempt to include THE STATES which house those cities as holding back America?? NO???
      ===================================================
      I didn’t think so

  • Ed Hanratty

    I for one have given up on the idea of the “One forward looking nation” myth and have become much more focused on progress on the state level. Yes, it irks me that the Red States take much more in federal dollars than they pay out in taxes. But I’ve come to look at that as foreign aid. I respect that there are progressive people in Red States and I sincerely hope they can effectively work towards change. But in the Northeast, we have near unanimous marriage rights, reproductive rights, and stronger than the national average environmental protections, minimum wages and workers rights. Federally, I would love a stipulation that no state is permitted to receive more than 10% of their taxes paid in the form of revenue – especially when I see Southern Senators filibustering Hurricane Sandy aid and Wyoming getting more Homeland Security dollars per capita than NYC or Boston. But at the end of the day, you get the government you deserve, the federal system is rigged to protect just enough red state power that any serious change on the national level is really a pipe dream. If Arkansas wants to erect a 78 story Crucifix on every public football field, hell, let them. I consider traveling to these states like traveling to Canada, or India for that matter: I may enjoy my brief stay here, but it’s not my home and these are not my people.

  • WickedCats

    There isn’t much that can be done unless people stop staying home and get out and vote!!!!!

  • Max A. Butler

    While there is no denying the awful past of the south, there is also no truth to speaking in hasty generalizations or stereotypes. Other than clicks on a page due to an incendiary headline, what is the point of this article? What forward and progressive cause does this push forward – exclusion of those who think differently? The south doesn’t have a monopoly on ignorance in our country.

    • copylefty

      Bravo… You’re not getting any upvotes from this crowd but you just stuck them right where it hurts the most. I’m disgusted by the number of people in these comments who think the entire south should just go away as if it’s beyond saving. They’re so out of touch with the reality of the situation here that it makes me wonder if they even realize how bigoted they sound, whist complaining about the bigots in the south.

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        The entire south appears to be beyond saving every time I read about something that happens down there. Like the woman in Mississippi whose baby was taken away because the judge thought her not speaking English would harm the baby’s development.

      • James Worcester

        Provide some credible evidence of this happening.

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        http://thinkprogress DOT org/justice/2014/03/13/3400651/mississippi-judge-who-took-away-immigrant-mothers-baby-said-lack-of-english-would-cause-developmental-problems/#

      • James Worcester

        And now…the rest of the story. According to the Mississippi Bar Association, Judge Sigalas has been suspended from the bench, and quite possibly may be disbarred. Judge Wingate, also a Mississippi judge on the Federal level took swift repairative actions. Kudos to MSB and Judge Wingate.

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        Good, but it shouldn’t have happened in the first place. I’d like to think that kind of thinking isn’t common in the South, but from what I’ve read, it isn’t.

        http://thinkprogress DOT org/justice/2014/03/17/3410511/this-one-statistic-tells-you-all-you-need-to-know-about-how-racist-the-death-penalty-is/#

      • williamwalker

        Then you should take the time to visit the South, speak with the people there, and you’ll see how individual belief and thought is quite diverse.

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        I’ve been to the near south (Tennessee and Kentucky). Very nice people but as a group the South has some lunatic ideas. I will NEVER willingly go to Mississippi or Alabama.

      • Sandra Burleson

        Then you’re missing an opportunity to lose your own bigotry. I agree about the lunatic ideas- but not all of us, in Alabama, are completely batsh*t crazy. At least, not in public.

      • lheurebleue

        Drove through both on the way to New Orleans from Kentucky. I thought southern Kentucky and Tennessee were bad enough, but Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana were just one long stretch of potholes, swamp, alligators, shit stink and prejudice. New Orleans was interesting, but still a mess, and that was before Katrina.

      • Rab Simpson

        The perceptions of the south are created by the south. If you have a problem with people talking about it I suggest you get to changing how people think in the south, and maybe then the majority of insane incidents (most often involving guns, the bible, hating groups which aren’t straight/white/cis/male, or a combination of the above) won’t originate in the south.

      • copylefty

        Believe it or not, I spend an awful lot of time trying to do exactly what you’ve suggested. Changing people’s attitudes and perceptions about politics, race, religion, and other issues to try and get them thinking differently than they’ve been taught for their entire lives takes a long time, and is fraught with setbacks. I know I’ve changed some people’s minds, but I know there are plenty of people who refuse to even consider thinking about things the way I do.

        Fortunately demographics are in our favor in the South, and in 20 years things should look quite a bit different than they do now. For now we’ll take any small victories we can get… I think the fact that Houston’s mayor is a lesbian in a gay marriage who just won a 3rd term is an excellent example of one of those victories. Things are changing here – and it’s a direct result of hard work by me and people like me speaking our minds.

      • MLR

        I’m from TX too but fortunately for me I live in a heavily Democratic area and racism here is almost non-existent. Well in public anyway.

      • Rab Simpson

        Keep up the good work!

      • James Worcester

        Save your breath, my friend, you are addressing a bunch of funky Northern bigots…harder to get through to than the KKK.

      • cozyk

        bravo!

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        agreed,,,,,,bigots everywhere– but as Im a southerner and lived and visited nearly all southern states,,,,,,,,,,,,TRUST ME: high concentration of them in south

    • Rab Simpson

      You have to identify a problem if you want to fix it.

      “The south doesn’t have a monopoly on ignorance in our country.”

      Not a monopoly, but given the people elected by southern states it appears to be going for an extreme majority in the ignorance department.

      • copylefty

        Unfortunately the Republican party has fixed the maps in their favor all over the south. When they took control of so many states in 2010 they literally redrew all the districts to heavily favor themselves and it has been terribly effective. This has led to a whole lot of crazy fools being elected to represent us who really are terrible, backwards, ignorant people. Texas is one of the worst with Ted Cruz, Louie Gohmert, and others representing us in Washington.

      • Max A. Butler

        If generalizing the whole south as shown in this article is your idea of identifying the problem, you will have issues fixing the problem.

        The use of elected officials as a measure of ignorance bodes ill for more than just the south.

        “The perceptions of the south are created by the south. If you have a problem with people talking about it I suggest you get to changing how people think in the south, and maybe then the majority of insane incidents (most often involving guns, the bible, hating groups which aren’t straight/white/cis/male, or a combination of the above) won’t originate in the south.”

        As what point did stereotyping become appropriate?

      • Rab Simpson

        It didn’t, because I wasn’t. Pointing out things as I see them isn’t stereotyping, it’s observing.

        Additionally, I make no generalisations. A majority of votes win a vote (unless we’re talking about Florida in 2000 but that’s a whole other can of worms), this means a majority of those who voted caused the problem.

        Are you going to tell me that progressives in the south aren’t voting now?

      • Max A. Butler

        I understood you to be defending the article by saying it was identifying the problem. The article stereotypes all southerners and makes a hasty generalization in describing southerners as people “who long for the days of segregation, women being barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen and a gun holster on everyone’s belt.”

        As far as segregation goes, out of the top 25 most segregated cities in the US, only 6 are in the south.

        If you look at the states with the most hate crimes according to the FBI, only one state in the top 10 is in the south – only 3 in the top 25.

        You should check out the recent article in The Atlantic “The South’s Stunning Embrace of Gay Marriage.” As cited in the article, a recent study shows the south is evenly divided on the subject of gay marriage.

        More than 50% of southern voters are Republican for sure, but I think you are misinformed when you reference “an extreme majority.” Check out the Cook Partisan Voting Index. According to it, there isn’t a southern state that is more than 65% Republican.

        I know this might sound crazy, but there are some Republicans who don’t fly the Confederate flag and long for the days of segregation, women being barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen and a gun holster on everyone’s belt.

        The south certainly still has ignorant and backwards-thinking people, but so does the rest of the US. Perhaps ours are just a bit more vocal. All that said, this article is still a ridiculous and offensive generalization.

      • Max A. Butler

        I understood you to be defending the article by saying it was identifying the problem. The article stereotypes all southerners and makes a hasty generalization in describing southerners as people “who long for the days of segregation, women being barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen and a gun holster on everyone’s belt.”

        As far as segregation goes, out of the top 25 most segregated cities in the US, only 6 are in the south.

        If you look at the states with the most hate crimes according to the FBI, only one state in the top 10 is in the south – only 3 in the top 25.

        You should check out the recent article in The Atlantic “The South’s Stunning Embrace of Gay Marriage.” As cited in the article, a recent study shows the south is evenly divided on the subject of gay marriage.

        More than 50% of southern voters are Republican for sure, but I think you are misinformed when you reference “an extreme majority.” Check out the Cook Partisan Voting Index. According to it, there isn’t a southern state that is more than 65% Republican.

        I know this might sound crazy, but there are some Republicans who don’t fly the Confederate flag and long for the days of segregation, women being barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen and a gun holster on everyone’s belt.

        The south certainly still has ignorant and backwards-thinking people, but so does the rest of the US. Perhaps ours are just a bit more vocal. All that said, this article is still a ridiculous and offensive generalization.

      • cozyk

        Although heavily outnumbered, those of us that lean left are fighting the good fight. We could use people in other parts of the country cheering us on rather than tearing us down. You are no better than the closed minded that you are accusing all southerns as being.

      • James Worcester

        And most will be gone this year

    • Sandra Burleson

      That “awful past” is there, yes. But every state in the US could show their “awful past.” Seems the Northern states were there, long before Alabama and the Southern states were brought in. Do you think slavery started in the South?

  • James Worcester

    Pardon me, Allen, but your latest article is every bit as bigoted and prejudiced as were the responses to the Civil Rights marches in the ’60′s. I would invite you to come here and see our interactions. We are civil, cordial and courteous, and not all, or even the majority, the “knuckle draggers” you purport us to be. Sincerely, James Worcester, Laurel, MS.

    • suburbancuurmudgeon

      Baloney.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        agreed,,,,,,,,,,,,,ive been all over the south: redneck trash

      • cheapscot

        You do realize that generalizations of a people or region like your “redneck trash” statement is bigotry, right?

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        when the vast majority of what I have encountered is that,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        ……………….. I remain steadfast. if 95 out of 110 sharks bite me I will state that sharks bite

      • cozyk

        you sound just like some of the extreme right that I read about. Think about it.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        nope– the regressive extreme “right” wants blacks and women and gays and latinos in the 2nd class section,,,and the white trash regressives keep laying that toital garbage about JEEEEESUS as some panacea — fuck religion. jeeeesus aint GOD; the BIBLE is full of crap……any questions?

      • cozyk

        I live in Greenville SC. Have you been there? I don’t agree with the political thinking of my neighbors, but “redneck trash” they are NOT.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        perhaps–
        but my travels– quite a lot actually– showed me that generally the south is redneck trash

      • James Worcester

        Your brilliant retort has made me see the Light! smh

      • cozyk

        Her user name is cuurmudgeon. , that should tell you a lot.

      • Charles Vincent

        suburbancuurmudgeon isn’t a she hahahahaha.

    • Rab Simpson

      The voting record in southern states exposes a lot which contradicts your comment.

      If the people in the south are so civil, cordial, and courteous, why do they elect the likes of Rick Scott?

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        he has money and great connections,,,

      • Rab Simpson

        If this were all it took no progressives would be elected anywhere.

      • cozyk

        It’s clear you don’t get it. Your arrogance, and your ignorance is distorting your thinking. Do I wish that the bad parts of my heritage did not still exist? ….SURE. Is the change happening? Yes, slowly but surely. But remember, the south is also known for it’s hospitality, and they don’t call it southern hospitality for nothing! We are steeped in a tradition of helping our neighbor, coming to the aid of those facing hard times, and I refuse to throw the baby out with the bath water. There is a lot of good in the south.

      • cheapscot

        Why did Wisconsin elect Scott Walker?

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      unless U are black and court their daughters

      • cozyk

        My white sister is married to a black man. My entire extended family has accepted him with open arms.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        im sorry,,,,,did I speak with you at all?

  • Connie

    It’s hard in the South. I am a liberal and I live in SC, right outside of Charlotte, NC. Charlotte is actually more progressive than a lot of southern cities but that’s mainly because there are so many people here from the north. I moved here from Arkansas, and I will say that, unfortunately, from what I saw, this article is pretty accurate. I always felt out of place in Arkansas and feel much more comfortable in the Charlotte. While I met a few liberals there, only two were actually from Arkansas. The rest were from…you guessed it, up north.

    • Rick Catdaddy Blankenship

      You should have moved to Eureka Springs, there are more hippies there than in Austin :) I like Charlotte too.

  • Lauren Partin

    An entire article on a generalization? As a southern liberal, I found this deeply insulting. Also ignorant on the author’s part.

    Sincerely,
    Barefoot and Pregnant in the kitchen
    (From Texas)

    • real_world_truth

      As a Southern liberal, I found it to be far too true.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        same here,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, south florida liberal centrist.
        to the tea party cretins: go live as a black man ( or woman) in Mississippi or Alabama ot Tennessee and let us know how that tastes

    • Rab Simpson

      Maybe you need to understand that it’s not aimed at people, it’s aimed at a way of thinking employed by a considerable portion of the population in southern states who appear to be going out of their way to hold onto something which never existed in the first place, the good old days.

  • John Roberson

    I am from and have lived in Georgia for most of my life. I am not a college graduate. I am not a liberal, but neither am I a conservative. And while I do understand this article is written for a leftist audience, I feel like you need a little bit of an eye-opener in the truth of things, Mr. Clifton.

    First, the Civil War was never about slavery until President Lincoln made it so with the Emancipation Proclamation, which he held off on giving to prevent European support of the Confederacy and reignite public support for the war. Until then, it was about money, as all wars are, and influence in Congress. The North wanted to install insanely high tariffs on all Southern trades, which would have bankrupted the South. And they achieved it because Northerners had a higher pertinent population than the Southern states did. Money is why the Civil War started. No other reason. When the South traded anyway without paying the tariffs, Union troops moved to seize Charleston and shots were fired. War followed. Slavery wasn’t the issue for another two years.

    Secondly, Women’s Rights and Segregation movements may have been stalled by Southern states. True enough statement, but you’re deluding yourself and your subscription base by thinking everyone in the South thought that way. The people who believe to their core that racism and sexism are right have always belonged to a very vocal minority of the population.

    And finally, on the subject of LGBT Right to Marry, again it belongs to a very vocal minority. Most people don’t care one way or the other. I happen to support it, even though I’m a knuckle-dragging Southerner by your own estimation. Perhaps you should learn how legislation works before you assume everyone in a state senate believes this or that should be law? It only takes two or three yays on a bill to force a vote.

    My point is, to paraphrase General Colin Powell, you should surround yourself in business with people who don’t always agree with you; if you have a yes-man, one of you is redundant. Running a country is little different but obviously larger in scale to running a business. Southerners have done wrong to the business. So have Northerners. Liberals and conservatives are equally to blame for the courses we take, as well. Slapping all the blame to one generalized group is ignorant, at best, and dangerous, at worst. Being that you claim to have a political science degree, you should probably understand better than most that your choice of words make all the difference in how people receive your message. You may want to meditate on that for a while. Good day, sir.

    • Rick Catdaddy Blankenship

      If you don’t think the Civil War was about slavery from the git-go you’re being naïve. It simply was at the very CORE, about slavery.

      • John Roberson

        Slavery was already on a decline in support by the 1840s and 1850s and Northern states, which relied on industry/textiles, were abolishing slavery rather rapidly. Southern economy at the time depended on slave labor to do farm work, primarily in cotton. So when new states were being added after the Mexican War ended in 1848, Northerners wanted them free and Southerners wanted them declared slave states, because it meant votes in Congress. Votes meant the Southerners would keep slaves for their farm work, thus stay in business.

        So here comes the Compromise of 1850 which made it so there would be an even number of slave states and free states. No one is happy, but everyone takes the small victory. That is, until Kansas get uppitty, has a mini-war with itself over freedom or slavery and comes out free, thus tipping the balance.

        Next came the Three-Fifths Compromise. Because slave states were the minority in the Senate, Southerners fought to keep the House by counting their slaves as part of their population and thus get more seats in the House. The problem with that is they would have to acknowledge slaves as people instead of property. The Three-Fifths Compromise maintained slaves as property, but alowed three out of five slaves to count as population for the purpose of determining how many House seats Southerners would have. The abolitionist movementpicks this up and runs with it. Still, no one is happy.

        The South gets too powerful economically becauseof the cotton trade. Cotton is in high demand in Europe, so Southern plantations rake in the money. The North doesn’t like that this wealth is being earned on the backs of slaves (understandably). Tariffs are imposed in an effort to curtail the amount of exported cotton and decrease the amount of money going into platation owner pockets. Southerners, liking their wealth, make a deal with Europe seperate from the free states and noncompliant with the tariff laws.

        Abraham Lincoln runs for election on an anti-slavery platform, but he isn’t an abolitionist yet. The seven Southern states who rely on cotton for income declare succession if Lincoln is elected. They succeed. Lincoln orders troops to seize Charleston because of the tariff violations. This causes the outlying Southern states (TN, KY, NC, and MO) to succeed. The Civil War starts.

        Europe still wants its cotton, and European money from the cotton trade is funding the CSA. But the Civil War is affecting cotton exports. Europe begins to consider offering troops and equipment to the South in order to secure more cotton (sound familiar?), but they are hesitant to do so because of the South’s pro-slavery views. Slavery was already universally outlawed in Europe at the time.

        Lincoln, who didn’t want to abolish slavery because he knew fixing relations with the South would be hampered by it, gets wind of this. He is also being hounded by abolitionist leaders and constituents about the war effort, because thus far the Union Army was ineffective and the South appeared to be on the verge of winning. Additionally, the war was too costly ink money and lives, and public support for the war was waning.

        Enter Gettysburg. The Union showed the South could be defeated, but only as they were. If Europe entered the field, the Union would lose. So here comes the Emancipation Proclamation to grant freedom to any slave who fights for the North. Public support skyrockets because the North was already very anti-slavery (yet still very racist), and Europe gets blockaded by legislation because supporting someone who’s ideals and values seemed misaligned with their own would be political suicide in the face of their people.

        Idealogically, the anti-slavery movement made a heavy contribution to the Civil War. But the war began, from a Southern perspective, because of money and power. Now, I am not a pro-slave bigot even if you could manage to interpret these posts as such. But thinking someone said “you can’t have my slaves” and then started shooting makes you the naive one in this dynamic.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        good stuff; highly accurate historically

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        and,,,,,,it wasn’t very civil

    • disqus_mmZU8TPsvi

      Every state that seceded had slavery listed as the #1 reason as to why their state rights were being violated. I have read every single one of them. Just read their declarations. Now the south wishes to have other reasons as the primary ones so they don’t look like they were supporting slavery. That’s called rewriting history.
      2nd, by the time federal troops attacked Charlestown, fort sumter had already been attacked and the fort there taken. The attack on the fort were the opening shots.
      I doubt very much that it was a minority that tried to stop women or any other rights. It wasn’t until 1996 that a majority of southerners agreed with interracial marriage for example. And that was just one lagging behind the rights given.
      When the majority in a state’s congress (it is easy to find out how many voted for or nay on any given bill), it certainly says that a majority are agreeing with anything. Now that is not everyone, but saw a generalization that most people think denying rights is fine, it works. Many southern or red states have passed with great majorities, laws to discriminate against gays, they passed jim crow laws to do the same decades ago.
      And liberals who would vote against such things are usually a minority in red states (hence the being a red state). It is the conservatives who vote to discriminate against people. And we get your message loud and clear, you wish to discriminate and hate.

      Skip Moreland

    • Rab Simpson

      “First, the Civil War was never about slavery”

      This is categorically false, with the declarations from the southern states themselves contradicting you.

    • John Roberson

      First, Skip, I don’t spread hate or discrimination except toward people who chose to annihilate or eradicate another people, and stupidity. If you want to make broad assertions about my character based on a few paragraphs of text which disagree with your viewpoint, do so in a forum I can’t respond to.

      Second, Mr. Simpson, I commend you. Mostly for your replies to other comments, but commend you nonetheless. You seem to argue from a place of logic rather than knee-jerk speculation and regurgitated high school lessons. I respect that. That said, I take issue with you commenting on eight words out of a much larger sentence and paragraph which was intended to provide context for the eight words you latched on to. I assert that I failed to provide the intended context. Allow me to elaborate.

      The Civil War did not start as the end-all, be-all, winner decides the fate of slavery in this country. President Lincoln originally did not want to abolish slavery because repairing the Union was a greater concern to him and the national abolition of slaves would inhibit that. In fact, a peace conference was held in February 1860 while President Buchanan was still in charge, but it failed because of a lack of Northern compromise on the issue. President Lincoln thought he could convince the CSA to return to the table until the Battle of Fort Sumter occurred. Slavery may have been the primary cause of secession, but it wasn’t the cause of the objective of war; and that is not saying the same thing.

      When South Carolina threatened to secede in 1837, slavery wasn’t even mentioned. The reasons in 1837 did not abate, they worsened and came to a head in 1860.

      Secession was a right reserved by the states when they formed the alliance of 1789 by the treaty called the Constitution of the USA. Remember, in 1783, Great Britain granted independence to thirteen new nations in North America by the Treaty of Paris. [If you do not understand that simple basic fact, you cannot begin to comprehend the state's rights issue.] Those new nations allied in a confederation of nations under the Articles of Confederation. That experiment was a failure so they tried again under the Constitution. They never surrendered their autonomous independence to the federal government and, in fact, when they acceded to the Constitution, New York, Rhode Island and Virginia expressly retained the right to secede.

      John Adams and Ben Franklin made their views on secession very clear in the Declaration of Independence. When the government no longer serves, defends and protects the rights of the nation or the individuals who constitute the nation, it is the right of the people to leave it or change it. Thomas Jefferson not only co-authored the Declaration but he and James Madison wrote the Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions as well. It is more than obvious that they believed in the right of secession. Others who made public arguments in support of the obvious right to secede were James Mason, Gourverneur Morris, Daniel Webster (until he flopped when it was more advantageous to argue otherwise), John C. Calhoun (after he flopped for the same reason), Robert Livingston and most of the Founding Fathers (even, of all people, Alexander Hamilton).

      The New England States threatened to secede in 1803. They did it again in 1812-1814 (see the Hartford Convention). Secession was discussed at the Philadelphia (Constitutional) Convention. The Fathers wanted to create a weak central government and reserve to the states all of their independence and sovereignty other than as to those limited issues enunciated in Article I. As to those, they believed that uniformity of laws was to their mutual best interests. All other powers, including the right to leave the union, were reserved. That was the whole point of Article IV and amendments IX and X. In each instance that a state or group of states threatened to secede, it was because the federal government was becoming the very draconian monolithic monster that the Founding Fathers had tried to prevent. 1860 was no different.

      By 1860, the south was paying 75% of federal taxes but 75% of federal revenues were being spent in the north. Although the constitution itself required that escaped slaves be returned to their owners (Article IV, Section 2) northern states were passing laws which nullified the constitution. The Fugitive Slave Law was intended to stop such unconstitutional behavior but the federal government did nothing to protect southern property rights. Northern industrialist prevented the south from industrializing. By excise taxes they made it all but impossible for southern planters (who had no choice but to continue farming because the north wouldn’t let them branch out into other endeavors – the north needed the crops and the taxes) to trade on international markets and then the northern bankers and merchants set rock-bottom prices on southern goods. Politically, the 1860 elections proved the south was disenfranchised completely. Lincoln won by a landslide without carrying a single southern state (and he wasn’t even on the ballot in several). The south had no voice in Congress, the Executive was an obvious northern institution and the Supreme Court was at the mercy of the President and Congress.

      The government no longer served, defended or protected the rights and interests of the south. The southern states did the logical and legal thing. They reasserted the independence they had never forfeited and formed a new alliance of nations. In response, Lincoln and the north invaded.

      Slavery was protected by the Constitution at Article I, section 2, Article IV, sections 2 and 9 and Amendments IV, V, IX and X. In 1860, the northern dominated congress passed the Corwin Amendment which, if ratified, would have become Amendment XIII. It would have prohibited any future amendment from abolishing slavery. The south did not have to secede to protect slavery. The federal Constitution did that for them.

      Now, I do not, have not, and never will be a proponent for hate and bigotry. Some of the most upstanding and worthy people I’ve ever known identify with groups some of you will claim I despise. Despite what you take from my posts on this article, I likewise do not agree with the South’s stance during the Civil War, even though technically and legally speaking the CSA was not wrong at the time (morally and ethically is a different argument).

      Unfortunately, Mr. Clifton decided to be incendiary in his attack on Southern ideology and political leanings, and the best Southern response to it at the time of my initial post was a giant F.U. So I asserted what I know on the subject in broad generalities, similar to Mr. Clifton, although I made an effort to not be offensive about it. Clearly, I failed in the latter attempt.

    • copylefty

      There are so many things wrong with this comment I don’t know where to even start…
      1. The civil war was most definitely about slavery. There were other issues as well, but slavery was central to the conflict.
      2. Running a government is VERY different than running a business. Your point about surrounding yourself with yes-men is valid (Lincoln filled his cabinet with political enemies) but governments and businesses exist for two very different purposes and their goals are completely different. This myth that they should be run the same is a gross misunderstanding of the purpose of government and has led to all kinds of problems in our society. Business focuses on profits. Governments should focus on everything except profits…. it’s literally a contract between the rulers and the people which cedes the people’s authority to those in charge so they can regulate interactions among citizens, businesses, other governments, and other entities and has NOTHING to do with running a business.

      • John Roberson

        I agree with you that the purposes for business and government are different. However, the way in which that purpose is fulfilled are not very different on a fundamental level. People and projects still require management. A board/legislative body still votes up and votes down policy. Money is still the contributing factor to what can be done and when it can happen. A president/CEO is still the figurehead scapegoat for what succeeds or fails.

    • duchat

      The “states rights” and “money” argument is what has been used to brainwash southern schoolchildren into believing the big lie that the Civil War wasn’t about slavery. The idea in promulgating such a view was to ensure that segregation took hold post Civil War, and subsequently, so that other right wing and racist views, like being against the Voting Rights Act and favoring voter ID laws, could flourish in the South.

    • Joe Cogan

      Don’t be absurd. State and Confederate officials made it clear that their primary reason for secession was the preservation of slavery.

  • your an idiot

    Wow, the ignorance is strong within this one. I lived in rural Ga for 16yrs ,a few in rural Ky , San Diego , and Chicagoland for 10yrs, I’ve spent time in over half the states, the most racist place I’ve been ? Chicago, one of the largest melting pots of the country if not the biggest, where everyone hates each other because of skin color, religious beliefs and nationality. Hate crimes here are a daily occurance on gays and middle easterners . So maybe you should travel more often before you run mouth spitting up all that ignorance

    • copylefty

      Your name is misspelled… if you’re going to call someone an idiot, at least get the grammar correct. It should say “You’re” an idiot.

      Now I’m sure I’ll get some grief for this since I defended someone else’s misspelled words above in an earlier comment, but I think it’s ironic that you’re calling people ‘idiot’ while making yourself look like one at the exact same time.

  • Paul Miller

    I’m from New Orleans. Been here my entire life. And as ignorant as some of the people are here to a lot of things, I have never run across anyone here that sounded nearly as ignorant and uneducated as the guy who wrote this article. He obviously hasn’t read a history book in his life and is making assumptions based on what he and his buddies believe to be true while they sit at Starbucks and have a blind debate about southerners, our way of life, and the supposed drain on society we have always been. I find it funny that slavery was mentioned, as if it only existed in the south, and according to the author here, was only supported by the southern states. Those people were free to own slaves, per the constitution, signed by northerners and southerners alike. If the north wanted to make a bold move, they should have made it then, and stopped it before it began. Only they didn’t. They supported it. Southerners use the constitution as a scapegoat because that’s what it was created for. Furthermore, we aren’t dragging the country down, we are trying to stop liberals from ruining it. The majority of this country used to think just like us, and those were better times here, in every way. It’s the liberals like the author of this article who are ruining this country. With your disdain for others, and your attitudes. Always fast to point the finger, but refuse to look in a mirror. In closing, I agree with one thing. I do think the south should secede. It wouldn’t be very long before the north comes beggin for our help, trying to get us to fight their battles for them because all they have are bleeding heart liberals who would rather try and postpone issues rather than settle them from the get-go. I also think it’s pretty funny that the author himself is from the south. Probably got beat up by some rednecks in high school, or had his girlfriend taken by some fella from Texas with a cowboy hat and rebel flag on his truck, and has since developed this fervent disdain towards the south, and has consequently decided to spread his bullshit to the rest of the Sheople who are ignorant enough to follow him in his crusade against the southern conservative. Truly sad. Please educate yourselves, people. Stop listening to people like this. They are only here to stir the pot, not to make the ingredients better. God bless you all :-)

    • Sunnysmom

      A full page of anti-liberal rant ended with a “God bless you”. lmao Please. As it were, I tend to agree this article has many elements of ridiculousness.

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      which GOD??? the dead dried out jewish fella?

    • copylefty

      Wow, what a load of BS… I hear so many conservatives pining for ‘the good ol’ days’ when everything was better, and when everyone thought the way you do… let me tell you something: this is a myth perpetuated by people like yourself who refuse to accept the fact that reality has a very liberal, progressive bias. If you’re so keen on returning things to the way they were, please tell me when exactly you’d like to go back to. Is it the 1960s when the civil rights movement peaked? Or the 70s when women’s liberation was at its peak and no-fault divorce became the norm? Perhaps it was the 1980s when Republicans took over again and we saw nothing but corruption and war from our federal government.

      You accuse liberals of being quick to judge yet you are guilty of the exact same thing. The difference is that liberals are quick to judge those who refuse to accept that progress is the ultimate state of any society which is searching for an ideal situation for ALL of its citizens. Without progressive values we would be at the mercy of people who refuse to believe that science shows us how the universe works, who believe that anyone who isn’t a white protestant is somehow a second-class (or worse) citizen, and who believes that anyone who doesn’t believe in the same god as you is a heathen who should be kicked out of America, simply because they don’t share your beliefs.

      I know I’m labeling you with generalizations about white conservatives in America, but I felt it was only fair after your dick-swinging rant about the author getting beat up by a redneck and thus now hating his birthplace. Did you even consider that maybe he took inventory of the social situation all around him and made rational decisions to come to his conclusions? No, you were ‘quick to judge,’ as conservatives just love to say about liberals when you in fact don’t know shit about the author or his history.

      Please take your ‘good old days’ and your disgusting assumptions that liberals are somehow not educated (probably the most laughable assumption you made in the entire post since it’s an easily demonstrable fact that liberals are significantly more educated than conservatives) and stick them up your ass. They’ll have company there with your head.

    • Joe Cogan

      Thanks for illustrating why articles like this one get written in the first place.

  • Sunny Ray

    If I was senator I’d be ashamed to keep my state so deep in ignorance. But that again show how much they care about people vs their career.

    • Rab Simpson

      Ignorant populations are easily led and will vote for candidates tossing out buzzwords like ‘jeebus’, ‘dem commie libruls’ and ‘who wants more guns?’

      Little do these people realise that more often than not they’re voting against their own best interests. This is why the majority of welfare recipients are white southerners who’re under the impression that it’s actually black city dwellers.

  • Cory Stevenson

    Given that stupid is everywhere. But this guy is a fucking moron!!!

  • keithbreedlove

    He’s just pissed that most in the South don’t believe in the destructive beliefs that he holds. Being a self-proclaimed elite of the Liberal persuasion, you’re wrong if you disagree. As for the “backward” things he points out — segregation, woman’s suffrage, interracial marriage, etc., it was DEMOCRATS that kept these laws from being overturned. Even LBJ was heard to comment when the Civil Rights Act was being passed that “the [insert plural N-word here] will vote [Democrat] for the next 200 years.” And that doyenne beloved by Progressives, Margaret Sanger, was a rabid racist who started Planned arenthood with the express purpose of inducing pregnant black women to abort their own babies — and she gulled black ministers into promoting this genocide in their churches. As for the COnstitution, it’s there to protect us from government over-reach. Of course, for Progressives, their over-reach is fine, because it’s for the greater good (defined by them, the elites), whereas over-reach by Bush or Nixon, say, is just plain unconstitutional and evil. So, who’s really holding America back?

    • James Schroder

      You ignore, of course, the fact that the southern Dixiecrats all become republicans when Johnson signed the Civil Rights Law of 1964. In today’s world, being a Tea Party member or a republican is tantamount to being a declared member of the KKK or worse. Spin it however you want, but you remain a prime example of the knuckle-dragging racist homophobe that Allen describes so accurately.

      • keithbreedlove

        James, I wasn’t going to bother to reply, but this is just too easy to resist. Aren’t Liberals supposed to be the tolerant ones? The ones who want to coexist? The ones who want diversity. Your reply shows just how false that idea is, all wrapped up in your own self-righteousness. You need a diversity of opinion. watch Fox [Real] News, or Glenn Beck, or Hannity. And if you still think things should be changed, try reading the Constitution (rather than dumping on it) to see how that’s supposed to be done. And BTW, maybe Tuesday’s election in Florida is a foretaste of what you Obama-zombies can expect.

      • Dave

        More crap from the Fox Nazi Channel.

      • keithbreedlove

        Too bad you only seem to speak and understand fascist. k

      • Dave

        Maybe I should have said the republican Ministry of Propaganda…

      • keithbreedlove

        At least they are fair and balanced. Not unbalanced with tingling legs like the grouprhinkers at msnbc. And sorry for all lower case. No disrespect but I have a beer in my other hand. K

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        ahhhhh,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, the “joie de vivre” of regressive white trash tea party sucklings!!!
        (alcohol and prescription drugs)

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        INBREDS SUCH AS keith BREED INBRED THINKING

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        I agree with keith here: constitution should be read and adhered to ( except the parts that white trash tea party regressives do not like; say—— 14th amendment,,,, ACA,,,,,,,,,roe VS wade)
        funny how U shitbags cry OBAMAS COMING 4 YOUR GUNS!!!! yet he has no legislation aimed at that.
        GO NRA!!! sell more guns!!!!
        FOX “news” diverse? funny how they ignore how scott walker is trying desperately to screw with votoing in his ( slipping away) state,,,,of how GOV C CHRISTIE is now a big mess politically,,,,,,
        BENGHGAZI!!!! FAST AND FURIOUS!!!!! KENYA,,,!!!!

    • Navy Brat

      Thank you, you illustrate my point beautifully.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        read my reply to that coelecanth

    • http://www.trulynomadlydeeply.com/ Chris Allbritton

      Ok. 1) the democrats of the time were conservatives. They’ve since either died or joined the Republican Party. Every. Single. One. Why? Because the Republican Party is more to their liking ideologically. See how that works? The attitude of the at-large South hasn’t changed; only the political labels of its politicians. And, just to blow your mind, Lincoln, who founded the Republican Party would probably be a Democrat today.

      2) Your quote about LBJ is wrong. What he actually said, according to his former press chief Bill Moyers, was “I think we just delivered the South to the Republican party for a long time to come.” And that was true.

      3) Margaret Sanger was no racist. According to Wikipedia, backed up by real sourcing, she:

      a) was, indeed, classist and urged contraception as a means of improving society, thinking the “undeniably feeble-minded” didn’t need to reproduce. She also promoted sterilization or segregation for the profoundly retarded. She advocated a strict immigration policy. These views are, of course, abominable, and no one at Planned Parenthood would advocate any of this at all today. However, Sanger also denounced euthanasia, the Nazis and believed contraception should reside in the hands of adults.

      b) was absolutely against bigotry of any kind. She helped open clinics in Harlem, at the request of the Urban League, secured funding for the Julius Rosenwald Fund and “opened the clinic, staffed with black doctors, in 1930.” She received the approval of W.E.B. DuBois and earned praise from MLK.

      She also opposed abortion, by the way. It was dangerous to the mother, she thought, and it was morally wrong. I disagree with her on the moral issue, but to say she started Planned Parenthood as a means to induce women to abort their babies is just factually wrong. As is almost everything else you’ve stated. Try reading something other 2-minute hate sites.

      • keithbreedlove

        This is too good to pass up but I need a keyboard and not a blackberry. Cu soon.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        brilliant reply!! we all are quite appreciative of when some micropenile cretin *( you) gets called out on YOUR poor “facts”………………… and U reply such.
        FOX “news” and tea party dogma times 10

      • keithbreedlove

        I guess the picture I’ve seen of her at a Klan rally must have been photo-shopped.

        Look she though untermenschen shouldn’t procreate, and one less black baby born was one less black person to walk the face of the planet. And the whole idea of eugenics that she believed in and espoused is abhorrent. Who’s to say what constitutes quality in human life?

        And I’m really sorry that you don’t see the immorality of abortion. Simply put, it’s the termination of human life. And unfortunately, it’s done too frequently for mundane and selfish reasons. If a girl/woman can’t handle having a baby, they should put it up for adoption, NOT kill it. And as it being less of a person because it has not been born yet, the proof that life starts at conception (and should be cherished) is that left on its own, it will continue until birth, and then beyond. That’s assuming that the baby isn’t neglected. The Progressives, especially under this president like to bash the so-called 1%ers for being selfish (despite their penchant for donating to charity). Well, how selfish is it to snuff out a life because it’s inconvenient, or makes you fat?

        And by the way, I appreciate that you are keeping this civil, unlike a previous knucklehead who, when he had nothing else to say, pulled the MSNBC race card and called me a racist.

        Regards,

        Keith

      • http://www.trulynomadlydeeply.com/ Chris Allbritton

        OK. Just because some Klansmen appropriated her image doesn’t mean SHE supported racism. Her actions and her writings pretty clearly showed she wasn’t racist.

        As I said, she WAS classist, which is unfortunate. To the best of my knowledge she never equated race with class, but that is what you do when you say, “she though (sic) untermenschen shouldn’t procreate, and one less black baby born was one less black person to walk the face of the planet.” That’s NOT what she thought, and the Wikipedia article, using original sources, clearly states that.

        She was in favor of restricting immigration in the early parts of the 20th century, that was poor WHITE europeans (Irish, Italians, etc.) and Asians. Not black people.

        But yeah, I agree with you that her views on eugenics was abhorrent. But I simply will not agree with you on abortion. I believe in the women’s right to choose up to the limits espoused by Roe v. Wade. Until a fertilized egg has a shot at living outside the womb, it’s not a real person.

        “The proof that life starts at conception (and should be cherished) is that left on its own, it will continue until birth, and then beyond.”

        If that were true, every single fertilized egg would result in a baby and that’s just not true. Many, many fertilized eggs spontaneously abort on their own. So obviously fertilized egg ≠ baby in 9 months. It might; it might not.

        And I’ve never met a woman who aborted because it “makes you fat.” That’s just ridiculous and it really minimizes the intelligence and decision-making ability of women.

    • Rab Simpson

      “He’s just pissed that most in the South don’t believe in the destructive beliefs that he holds.”

      You mean like stubbornly trying to deny rights to anyone who isn’t white/cris/straight/male? Hold on a minute! That’s what a majority of people in the south tried to do!

      Ignorance is bliss, but only for the ignorant, it’s a nightmare for those of us who have to put up with you.

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee–ligion is whats screwing the planet- and especially America:
      try some modern history– circa 2010
      =================================
      govt overreach? lets all play with what the tea party scum states do in OVERREACH

  • Bill

    I suggest that the author of this article, and those who agree with what this article says, are true ignorant ones. If you read past todays history books your will find that the Dutch and northern business men were the ones who brought the African Americans into northern ports who then sold them to southern plantation owners. Closer to the start of the war, the federal government increased troop numbers and built more forts in the south. How would any of you feel if more forts and increased troop numbers grew where you live now? Sounds like northern aggression to me. Also if you look past today’s history books and really read about the issue, there was only a small percentage of slaves that were treated poorly and beat. So continue to believe southerners are ignorant if you so choose but to me the writer of this article and those who agree are the ignorant ones and would greatly benefit from a good history lesson.

    • James Schroder

      Bill, the cleaners called. Your white sheets are ready, but your pointy hat needs a little more starch.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        he was busy at church,,,,,,, he collects the tithe

    • Navy Brat

      One thing that no one takes into account is the very different education received by kids in different parts of the country. As a child of a military family, I attended 24 different schools, from San Diego, CA, to Little Compton, RI, and everywhere in between. The most interesting was the transition through 4 consecutive schools in the 7th and 8th grade. From lower MI to southern VA, and back to Northern IN. Believe me when I tell you that American History is a different subject depending on where you are taking it. Biology. World History. People in different regions are taught the prevailing ideology from the beginning, through all of the formative years. The south teaches their children what the believe, as the north does, and the cycle continues down through the generations. The paradigms are deeply set, and no amount of rhetoric will change them.

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      hey bill,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, that’s irrelevant.
      maybe I should mention that dinosaurs ruled at one LONG time?
      =====================================================
      try some modern history– circa 2011

  • FD Brian

    If the south had their way, the SEC would suck at football.

  • Kim Hillstrom

    Don’t forget a slave in everyone’s field. We recently moved to Floriduh for the weather. There are not enough of us Northerners down here to make a difference. Yet. Hopefully their gene poole here will evolve soon and join the majority of the country in granting human rights to EVERYONE.

  • Thatguy

    Normally I don’t comment too often on trash like this article. While I support equal rights for Gays, oppose Slavery(before anyone tries to call me a racist) and support women’s rights(before I’m called sexist). It is not the governments place to legislate morales. SHOCKER right?! The Federal government is not ment to tell us whats right and whats wrong. Perhaps rather than fighting and name calling you should take a look in the mirror, and ask “How can I make the world 10% better WITHOUT shoving my beliefs down another persons throat” People come around and grow and go oh hey I was being a jackass by fighting this movement what does it hurt? But when you challenge a group of people on issues that they fully support why do you expect any less? Perhaps if liberals COMPRISED and consertaves COMPRISED as well our country wouldn’t be as jacked up as it is. The State of this Nation is not one groups fault or anothers it’s everybodys. Because some liberals; cry racist if you disagree with the POTUS while some consertiaves cry commie if you disagree with them. How about we all take a step back and breath then work like adults without the name calling to fix our nation. -end rant-

    • Rab Simpson

      “Perhaps if liberals COMPRISED and consertaves COMPRISED as well”

      If I’m reading your comment correctly I think the word you’re going for is ‘compromised’, and while that’s a reasonable idea in theory it doesn’t work in practice as the regressives are constantly pulling to the right and calling for compromise when they’re not in the driving seat, which only serves to continue pulling things to the right.

      There was a cartoon I once saw featuring Obama and an unnamed republican politician. There’d be a certain distance between them in the first frame, in the second Obama would move half of that distance to the right (so the 2 could meet in the middle), and in the third frame the republican had moved the same distance to the right, meaning everyone had become more right wing. That isn’t going to help anyone in the general population. Right wing policies are designed to create a vacuum between the rich/powerful and the poor/powerless, and those poor suckered morons in the south without 2 cents to rub together are enabling the rich/powerful to screw them without even so much as a reacharound.

    • duchat

      I’m in utter disbelief at the level of illiteracy exhibited in your post, Thatguy. I feel nothing but pity that you grew up with such inferior schools whereby you were left so unprepared to confront the world.

      This having been said, no one is suggesting that you or anyone else cannot hold whatever beliefs you like, no matter how ignorant or repugnant they might be. Rather, you simply cannot enforce your beliefs on other human beings who might be negatively affected by them. For example, if a person believes that blacks, women or gay people shouldn’t be able to vote, that’s all fine. But to take action to prevent these people from voting is where the line gets drawn.

  • gmartini

    Mean comment alert:
    “Enough is enough. I’m sick and tired of these backwards, knuckle-dragging Southern states constantly holding this country back.”
    Not too worry, not too worry. They also do not believe in providing health care for their citizens, many eat like total merda, many are obese, and manyengage in other unhealthy habits. So…what are the odds that we won’t have to wait too long for a good portion of these, “backwards, knuckle-dragging” morons to die off???

    Yeah, I know—not soon enough, unfortunately.

    • Rab Simpson

      Huge swathes of their populations are elderly, so even if there wasn’t epidemic level health issues, their generation of regressives will soon be gone, leaving behind a more socially aware youth with a much smaller contingent of right wingers to deal with.

  • Judy Easley

    And those of us who live in Southern states are tired of being maligned. I’m a liberal, I usually always vote Democratic, and I’m not racially prejudiced. And yet you are lumping me in with what you perceive a Southerner to be.

    Honestly, I have followed your writing for a long time now, and I am just about ready to stop, because of your obvious prejudice. The South didn’t own all the slaves, and all Southerners did not own slaves. I grew up in the Midwest, but remember separate schools, restrooms and water fountains, I was in the 7th grade when our schools were integrated. So that wasn’t just the South.

    Generalizations hurt everyone. But you are alienating a lot of us who live south of the Mason-Dixon line. Please keep your rants aimed at conservatives, and not at your fellow liberals.

  • bee

    I need to make sure I move first.. I hate it here :( So backwoods!

  • Joe Cogan

    Many of the people in the South who vote for the GOP have been kept in poverty by their policies, but are swayed by Republican appeals to God and guns when it comes down to election day, because they have little else to cling to, and the Republicans intend to keep it that way. This article doesn’t help by dismissing them as ignorant yahoos who aren’t welcome on the progressive side. What we need to do is not dismiss them, but show them how they’ve been lied to and conned into voting against their own economic interests by a bunch of snake oil salesmen, who are largely responsible for their poverty in the first place.

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      all about power and control…… bingo

    • duchat

      Exactly! And the best way is to invite them to leave the south and to move to the north, where they’ll learn that life here isn’t as terrible as they’ve been led to believe.

  • White Person

    Correction: “generation after generation of [WHITE] people within these Southern states remain just as ignorant today as they were back then.”

    • Rab Simpson

      In fairness, large portions of the southern black communities are very religious (in some cases even moreso than their white counterparts) and can be just as ignorant as their former captors.

      Black people who call themselves christian have very short memories.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        sadly they remain enslaved by theselves

  • http://www.facebook.com/ralphwa Ralph Ardito

    The make believe Southern drawl is to much….

  • http://www.facebook.com/ralphwa Ralph Ardito

    Im an American first, a Mainer second, and reside in a little town called Belgrade third. If I was to move to Texas I would still be an American…..

  • Adam of Portland

    Some of those states are gaining ground due to universities or industries that are growing, which results in a gradual shift of policy (possibly due to transplanted residents). Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill is becoming a driving force in NC, and is now a battleground state in national elections. Wouldn’t have seen that coming 20 years ago! Virginia is a similar case.

    If New Yorkers continue to retire to Florida, there will be a considerable shift in voting patterns there as baby boomers pass away and the next generation older people come.

  • Dan Bourne

    Many of our prayers are going to be answered when our grandparents generation (WWII & Vietnam era) ceases to walk the earth anymore. I have never met a bigger group of so called “Great Americans & The Greatest Generation” that spread hate, bigotry, ignorance, and religious BS. Its sad that the older generations tend to hold back our progress which they won’t even be alive to see in most cases. It seems they are determined to hang on to some old idea of what the US used to be like in the 1950s and 60′s and that they would rather die than see racial integration, gay rights, and legalized drugs. I don’t want to generalize but I have met so many older folks that just don’t get it and get filled so full of lies by Fox News that they think the US is completely different than it actually is on the street. I’m hoping the baby boomers and the new Millenials can work together to stamp out racial and sexual divisions, let the religious rederick stay with the religious folks it is not welcome in our government as the first Amendment was written to serve just that purpose. My message to all you old folks that can’t let go of racism and hate – We are leaving you behind, you are losing, your ideas are dying, your culture is embarrassing and serves a legacy of a time the US wants to move on from and change. Embrace change, its what makes your life better, my life better and ensures a solid future for our kids.

  • CarlaK

    I happen to be from the south. Born and mostly raised in Texas. I am ashamed of my home state. I miss the good ole days when Ann Richards was governor. I look forward to Wendy Davis at the helm. There are many rednecks in our country. But it is not just in the south that rednecks exist. A lot of people all over the country are ignorant back wood republicans. (retards) Just because I am from the south does not mean that I am stupid. I happen to be a huge believer in equal rights, for everyone. I do not believe in segregation. I do not believe in slavery. I do not believe in grouping together people into one category just because they happen to be from the south. Just because the majority of the people here happen to be ignorant enough to vote republican, does not mean that the south in whole are ignorant.

    I agree that the majority of the people in the south are crazy for voting republican. Please do not group all of us together in this category. It would be like saying that all the people from the north are cheap psychotic bastards. It’s just not true.

    • duchat

      More power to you, CarlaK. C’mon up north and settle here. You’ll be welcomed. Why should you have to continue to exist in the midst of the cretins that surround you? You can do better, and we need people like you here.

  • Ken Laurent

    I was never one to joke about letting the South secede from the union. I was always been quite serious about it. I take issue with Allen Clifton saying he ‘knows’ America would not be better for it. Of COURSE it would. I just ask that we keep North Carolina.

  • Hijack Hermes

    What makes you think the Yankees are so damn smart?

    • Rab Simpson

      Intellectual superiority and putting value in actually learning new things instead of wallowing in ignorance (mostly inspired by KJV) in most cases.

      Are there exceptions? Of course there are, but the attitudes of huge swathes of people in the south towards education and scientific discovery (especially if it interferes with their baby cheeses) mean the south will remain a quagmire of easily led sheep until the attitudes change en-masse.

  • Gb

    If Obama was a dictator, or “strong leader like Putin”, he would send troops and tanks to Texas and the Southern Red States to enforce Obamacare and any Governors that didn’t comply would be executed by his death squads. These people are ruining our country from within, I wish Jesus would come for them already, and leave the rest of us to clean up the mess they made and straighten things out..

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      these white trash “Christians” would hang jesus.
      then the religious trash would find some other cretin to follow– say: Reagan?

  • Wendy Krug

    I try to be open minded but sadly Mr. Clifton one would be hard pressed to disagree with you. It is obvious that the red States at this juncture are doing everything to drag this Country backwards just as fast as they possibly can. I also see the richest percentage using these peoples ignorance as a tool to forward their agenda. Thankfully I still live in a blue State (Illinois), and while we might be viewed as having crooked Politicians, we haven’t slid backwards as far as others. Progress is the only way humanity will survive.

  • keithbreedlove

    Allen, I’ve got a challenge for you and your Progressive minions. Read the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution (they go together, you know), with the Bill of Rights, and tell me what’s not to like. I want our laws to adhere to that, and if we the people don’t like it, the amendment process can be used to change it. Look around the world and you will not find anything close to the founding documents that we have. Other countries change their constitutions regularly. The EU wrote a 1,000-page one (ours is about 17 pages). And no others celebrate and attempt to protect the individual like ours does. Like I asked, what’s not to like. Your ball.

    • Rab Simpson

      The individual? What about society in general? Unless you’re on a deserted island by yourself, you’re part of a bigger whole, something that libertarians really need to understand.

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      would that include sam adams writing ( Tripoli) how America is NOT founded upon ANY religion???? I do like your inference to amending: perhaps U might tell that to the regressive tea party trash who cry about abortion/ 14th amendment/ ACA,,,,,, and of course screwing womens rights on a state level ( praise jeeeeeeesus)

      • keithbreedlove

        Your history is a little off. It was either John Adams or Thomas Jefferson (and I think it was the latter) and his statement was in the context of the European nations at the time where the crown decided the religion. Up until the French revolution, France was Catholic, as was most of southern Europe (remember Spain’s Most Catholic Majesty?). America had no government-established religion, and that was the point he was making. And Jefferson was also taken out of context when he wrote to a friend, in a private letter, abou the “separation of Church and State.” And that statement has been misused by the courts to overturn the 1st AMendment and force limitations that were never intended by the Founding Fathers. Read “Original Intent” for more quotes from the Fathers.
        You’ve obviously never been to a Tea Party or listened to their arguments. It’s not about imposing religion on anyone, and they are certainly not trash. the Tea Party (parties, really) want adherence to the spirit of the Declaration of Independence and to its implementing template, the Constitution. A lot of people who align with the Tea Party believe that the COnstitution should be changed — term limits, abolish the IRS, etc. — but you don’t see or hear them making end runs around the Constitution (Art. V, I believe) and having judges impose the changes. As for abortion, how is intentionally killing a living being any time between conception and birth (and sometimes immediately after) anything but murder? There are viable alternatives to abortion for those embarrassed or inconvenienced by pregnancy. And how ridiculous are the priorities of the Progressives and the Left (oops, synonymouse)? Bloomberg qanted to make Big Gulps illegal and Mme Obama wants “healty diet choices” for kids, and they put the power of the government behind those efforts, but then they push killing the unborn.
        And which women’s rights are being screwed? From your picture, I see that you’re allowed to love the person you choose to. you can apply for any job and hope to do any work for which you’re qualified, and all things being equal, earn marginally less than your male counterparts (5 cents difference on the dollar). And if you’re like Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Barbara Boxer and many more, you can even run for office and screw everybody else.
        But, thanks for the very civil disagreement. Name calling and infantile references to sexual anatomy as some of the respondents have used is demeaning to them and to the discussion.
        regards,
        Keith

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        john adams……..the government of usa not founded–in any sense–upon the Christian religion. look it up before U get back–
        tea party???? did NOT exist until black democrat took office; yet we had TONS TONS TONS of overreach of govt by bush,,,,waaaaay too much spending; no where to be seen or heard when we killed 4400PLUS amercian soldiers and maimed 1000′s more,,,,NO WHERE– so don’t drivel me with some nonborn fetus life.
        bringing Bloomberg into this conversation is as sequitur as bringing in todd aiken or scott walker or any other localized “hero”. they all suck up to their base. tea party rallies? Ive seen photos and videos enough( more than enough) 2 know that no Africans or Asians and nearly no latinos attend. white trash aging “Christian ” scum– yes- scum. when they cry about THEIR dead jew jesus as GOD and want that nonsense driving legislature they are indeed destroying what out founding fathers wanted. they were NON EXISTENT b4 Obama; ergo they are a political tool of the white elitist john birch ( part 2) which abhors all that isn’t white and right and religious.
        ======================================
        Pelosi/ Hillary/ boxer etal???? lets compare them to palin and Bachmann and the idiotic and forlorn skanks on the right. shall we?? shall we compare track records???? I doubt it– you are not stupid; just stubborn. as for my using aspersions demeaningthe anatomy of imbeciles I choose to eviscerate -well; deal with it!! your crying about that is just a smoke screen.
        womens rights are being stifled. gays rights sullied and slowed to a crawl. funy how Christians cry about “war on Christmas” yet the same scum religious trash bemoan moslem places of worship anywhere near where CHRISTIANS don’t like it. hindus don’t bitch; moslems don’t—–just the elitist scum in Christianity(NOTE: most Christians are normal and peaceful; but the trash I mention is LOUD– therefore trash)
        I read and watch; I research and look at as many graphs and charts from CBO and us treasury, this president is better than the repubs of past– that’s why the TRASH cries; they are lemmings who FOLLOW rather than inform themselves.
        when they get a platform with substantial remedial policies I will listen; maybe even vote for! when they use the same parroted playbook ( ” Benghazi,,,,spending,,,,,,Kenya,,,,,,war on Christmas,,,,, fast and furious,,,,,,food stamps,,,,,,, nanny state”) as all of their co NON-informed friends in the scum church they attend I will continue my rants and recognize that they ( tea party especially) has no true concrete platform– they still think “trickle down” ( see: cut taxes on billionaires) creates jobs. job creation is simple– supply and demand

      • keithbreedlove

        Oooohh,I touched some sore spots, and you’ve got issues. Sorry about that, and I thought we were having a reasonable discussion of our differing points of view. I see your a typical Progressive that can’t stand anyone who thinks (yes, THINKS) differently than you. And you really ought to try to understand the various religions you try to compare because your arguments merely demonstrate your ignorance of all of them, whether you believe in them or not.

      • whitetrashteaparty

        well; considering I have THOROUGHLY read the TAO; the BHAGAVAD GITA,,,,, CONVERSATIONS WITH GOD…VARIETIES OF RELIGIOUS EXPERIENCE ( the toughest by far) as well as many other spiritual books such as ” the road less travelled” and ” how to be a genuine fake” and ” jonathan Livingston seagull” and ” zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance” and,,,,and…. ( U hopefully get my drift) the only thing U “touched” was my laughing at your lachrymose replies. Religion is flawed and outdated. When someone who shows logic and facts enough to enter an expostulatory conversation with me I do in fact stay interested; after all—-learning is a building block-
        I do have issues: my issue here is scumbag white trash crybaby religious trash who want JEEEESUS ( theirs; not the actual teachings of that interesting man) integrated in legislation so they ( white aging trash) can delude themselves as being “supreme” elitists when in fact they are charlatans devoid of ant ability to inquisitively think.
        ………………….please accept my apology for using names and words not in thy skill set
        ………………its one of my lexiphanic “issues”

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        hey sh*tbag,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,no reply? a weeeee bit out of ur league???
        my apology: I didn’t know you truly were that ill and UN informed

      • keithbreedlove

        Sorry, did you say something worthwhile? Why is it that you guys can’t carry on a discussion without name-calling. It’s pretty infantile. And there you were trying to impress me with all the books that must have been really painful to read, trying to fill that hole in your soul. But, I know that YOU have nothing to look forward to because the world ends with you. When the screw turns and Conservatives come back to pull us out of the hole you and Obozo have gotten us into, let me know if you need help emigrating. Might I suggest Uganda, or some other enlightened place? Now just go away!

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        awwww,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, did inbreed love faw’ down and go “BOOM” again???
        I LIKE THAT–I REALLY DO!!! the “hole” Obama has us in,,,,,,,,,,,,,, which- in adherence to your paralogism– means that we were NOT in a GOP led HOLE when OBAMA crawled out of Kenya and mars and seized control!!!
        the hole Obama has us in!!! Hmmmmm,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, stopping wars; job creation already SHATTERING the NON job creation by gw bush and friends,,,,,, our stock market hitting all-time highs( my portfolio is obese now) and that silly deficit shrinking,,,,
        hole in my soul? should I pander to a fake ( dead jew) god who U lemmings suck into? awwww,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,my poor soul!!!
        here is a news flash U stupid small dicked loser: when we die———-
        we die

  • Karen Bradley Ehler

    Agree and empathize. It’s so frustrating.

  • B1988

    I find this post very disrespectful. I’m a southern democrat… Not all southerners are ignorant just because we vote one way or another, just like not all northerners are Yankee trash. You should be ashamed of writing such filth but I’m sure you’re not, you seem like a liberal version of Rush Limbaugh.

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      doubtful as rush makes a TON more money and is a TON overweight,,,,,and has lied about drug usage/possession and has evidently cheated on multiple wives

  • B1988

    And by the way, has no one else noticed his bio says that he is from Texas? Last I heard Texas is a southern state, therefore is this entire post not somewhat contradicting? He writes as if he is from the north.

  • C M Concepcion

    Many years ago when I lived in DC and worked for the government, I had a brief conversation with a Army officer on his way to work. During the conversation, he mentioned that he was a Civi War re-enactor. When I asked him why he did, his reply was that he was following the tradition of his great- grandfather who fought for the Confederacy. When I opined that slavery was part of that tradition as well, he became rather indignant and insisted that the Civil War was NOT about slavery. He then asked me where I was from, and I responded, Boston, which fought on the right side of history, so we don’t need to reenact it, because the result is going to be the same. Needless to say, I became his least favourite person very quickly and called me an Yankee apologist, which I found interesting, as I mentioned that I was from Boston. Just before he he got off the train to his job at the Pentagon, I mentioned that all of his current freedoms came as a result of us Yankees. He walked away puffed and out and angry. I spent the rest of trip smiling.

  • Avice Mendenhall Woodard

    Actually, they were fighting for their rats. I heard a poor white confederate soldier proclaim, “We’s a fightin fer our RATS!”

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      the letter “I” is tough to pronounce while missing frontal teeth

  • Luke

    Howdy.

    Just to set the record straight, not everyone in the South is a knuckle-dragging moron. I am a 44 year old, white, urban, professional male who has voted Democrat since the day I turned 18.

    While your hot and juicy anti-Southern rhetoric might make the readers in other places all warm and fuzzy inside, your lack of insight toward the shifting dynamics in places like Texas (for example) proves you’re little more than a screaming mimi with no original ideas and no desire to do some research.

    In short, you could have allies here. You could try reaching out the oppressed and appalled liberal minority down here. You could try making alliances and finding people to help spread your message.

    Instead, you resort to the same tactless, tasteless, incendiary nonsense that jackasses like Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter use every day. Congratulations, you are now in the same boat as the worst humans talking politics today.

    • duchat

      Please, Luke. Let me reach out to you as one progressive to another. I want you to move to a civilized part of the country and get out of Texas if you possibly can. You’d be welcomed with open arms as a refugee from oppression.

  • Matthew

    While the south has held the country back in history, i do feel that isn’t the case with marriage equality. Sadly, there are bigots and concerned Christians screaming about their constitutional rights all over the country.

    • duchat

      This is true, Matthew. But I do think the situation is worse in the South and that there is more widespread homophobia throughout the region than there is in most of the rest of the country, with certain exceptions, for example Utah, Arizona, and perhaps, Idaho.

  • Annie2591

    I have frequently commented on threads that the south holds the entire country back. Inevitably I get two types of responses: insulted southerners who remind me that extremists are everywhere, and savvy persons from other states all over the US who are dealing with the insanity- who remind me that extremists are everywhere. But just look at a voting map. There is no denying that this CANCER in our society has a greater concentration in the south. There is no way to completely eradicate the ignorance, racism and clannishness that has existed here for so long. But if you really want to help break up the “southern strategy,” support democratic candidates down here in every way you can. Find Dems who have a snowball’s chance in hell of winning and support their campaigns, post their pages, get them known. Support and encourage your college Dems. Statistics show the young people are sicker of them than you are. But they need encouragement. Hold film screenings, send pizza. Just do anything to encourage the Dems in the south. Notice what happened in Virginia? It’s not impossible.

    • duchat

      Noble sentiments, but I’m a bit more of a realist, and at this point in time, the vast majority of democrats do not have a snowball’s chance in Vidor of winning an election in the South. Moreover, those that do win are seldom progressive democrats, and more often, yellow-dog democrats, like Joe Manchin of West Virginia. In short, I’m not willing to wait for the South to recover from the scourge it’s lived under, and would, therefore, prefer secession or outright ejection from the US.

      • Annie2591

        So what are we progressives in the south supposed to do, leave our homes and businesses? A lot of these buffoons would gladly secede but they don’t get to run away with a state just because they’re ignorant. Please vote in 2014 elections, people!

      • duchat

        Actually, yes. I would suggest selling your home and business and moving north. Sad, though it may be, history is full of people being effectively forced to abandon ship and start over elsewhere when the political climate became intolerable.

      • duchat

        Yes. Do leave. The North should provide assistance in re-establishing progressive migrants from the South.

    • cheapscot

      Just replace “the south” with “the republicans” and your comments would make more sense.

  • Joe

    this is a ridiculous article, they way you made these sweeping statements about the south and mentioned nothing about intolerance in the north east (boston st. Patricks day parade?) makes me sick.

    • Joe Cogan

      I agree. The intolerance of the parade organizers towards gay groups is appalling. That is what you meant, right?

    • cheapscot

      Agree 100%

  • http://msannomalley.com/ Kathy Kramer

    It’s not just the South now; it’s all the red states in the middle of the country, too. I find that the attitude is just the same, but it’s easier to single out Southerners because they have a history of this kind of thing and they have the loudest voices. Northerners and Midwesterners of the conservative persuasion tend to be a little more “discreet” (for lack of a better word) in being racist, but they are racist. It’s almost funny in a way, Northerners & Midwesterners can be just as loud and ignorant and racist as the Southern Redneck stereotype; yet if you ask them, they see themselves above Southerners.

  • darcy

    It will take 20 years for the nation to change(the south)I wont see it but I am certain it will never go back to what the TeaParty wants.

  • dgoakley

    The knuckle-dragging, slack-jawed, bug-eyed, ignorant yokels reside in every state of these United States. Yes, we do have our share of cretins here in Florida but they are not lonesome cretins, nationally speaking. Anyone who pays attention sees it every day.

  • http://www.prospectctucc.org/ Michael Powe

    Southern racists and bigots carry water for their northern counterparts. The long-term success of their political actions could not occur without critical support from closeted northern bigots. No Southerners voted for Walker, Snyder, or Kasich.

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      to quote the sterling character “FONZIE”………..

      ‘correct-a-mundo’

  • Matthew Reece

    The ironic thing about the Confederacy seceding to keep slavery is that leaving the Union deprived them of the benefits of the fugitive slave laws, which meant that slaves in the Confederacy could gain freedom by escaping to the Union states rather than having to go all the way to Canada or Mexico.

  • Pat Phagan

    Allen you have had a lot of intelligent comments in the past but this erases most of the good you have done as the liberals in Texas regain a foot hold as far as I am concerned. To lump a whole region into one group is as wrong as you can get without being on Fox News. Fewer Southerners fit your labels especially among the young and educated. Many are more intelligent than you and less religious and less prone to hold on to antiquated mythical beliefs. I think that qualifies them as more willing to accept forward progress by using critical thinking skills and logic than Bible thumping editors who haven’t yet fully accepted evolution or science. Pointing a finger at a whole region and painting them with the perceived mistakes of their ancestors is about the best religious hate mongering I have seen on this site. What Tea Party office are you running for now or are you just spinning for Cruz? Are you being bribed by the Koch brothers? How much? Wow?

  • tb

    Wow. That’s some “forward thinking for progressive action”.. You people are very open-minded and tolerant. How much time do spend patting yourself on the back because you are so evolved… If more people were like you it would be utopia..

    • Kerry Norton

      Yes it would be.

  • John Doeman

    Not all Southerners are ignorant, religious myth believers, or stupid yankees like Allen.

    Bring your favorite weapons and your will, bitch.
    We’ll leave the lights on for you.

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      yea but the noisy scumbags who portray the south are the most vitriolic.
      my favorite weapon? letting progression progress. equal rights for all good americans,,,,,, not just white trash aging regressive religious ( see: VOODOO/superstition) scumbags who think guns and jeeeesus is salvation
      note- im a southern born ( coral gables fl) middle aged self employed Caucasian male .
      bitch? mine is in the photo shown with her mom….. I suspect yours -if any– is anatomically incorrect which mirrors you; thus your angst

      • TheSotSays

        Hey Chef, the one on the right, that must be you in drag is it?
        Who does your toe nails?

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        your flatchested overweight mom after I give her some very inexpensive booze. she does lap up a lot!!
        hows the smallish ”homunculous” gian keys? still crying loudly?
        actually that’s my gals mom– but I suspect strongly your inability to read ( see: white trash) inhibits your inert comprehension; as the answer to your small dicked question was answered BEFORE you asked
        ========================================
        seems we all love when no money small losers such as you remain here–!!
        ………………your lavender cape awaits

      • TheSotSays

        And here I thought you’d be telling us you nailed them both at the same time

        Anyway if that’s you in the picture dressed like a homo, you’re a lot shorter than I thought. I didn’t know they hired midgets as cooks. You’re not even tall enough to get a bag of flour out of the cupboard.

        I can see you though as pastry “chef” at the Whitey House; standing on tippy toe to hand Wacky Barry a cup cake.

      • sot sucks weenie

        sorry little fella; im 6’2 1/2 210 lbs with a 34 waist and 46/47 chest ( jacket) . im not a pastry chef; that’s a totally different mule. U being poorly “informed” does show up here a lot. im a self employed chef who has my business in a unique application of that — one u will never find anyone else doing ( yeaah me!!)
        didn’t screw her mom but luckily I have entered over 300 women in my life. NOTE: TWO (2) have been what we call ” flat chested” and NONE of those unfortunates since 1987 ( im allergic to small breasts and plastic ones).
        please enjoy my “selfie” photo as it shows the physical condition I stay in ( weights/ surfing/ basketball) and recognize that looking good and sounding good and having money is magnetic to the slim big chested chics here in south ( east) florida.
        hows your quotidian onanistic foays into the intenet porn world doin’ 4 ya? keeping your alcoholism worthwhile?

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        hey gian keys small guy—— no reply? too busy spanking your infantile weenie to internet porn??

  • Kim Serrahn

    Sadly it’s all the in-breeding that has happened in the past that has created the south as we know it today. Now before you all get you tail feathers in an up-roar not everyone in the south are married to their kissin cousins and that is a good thing.
    If we can change the way people think then we can effect real change. But it’s getting them out of the mire of the bible being above the Constitution that will be the challenge.

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      ” the mire of the ( voodoo) bible”…………………….. to quote FONZIE—-
      ………………… ” correct-a-mundo”

  • Richard Adams

    The south is in the dark ages for 3 reasons – 1) lack of education – 2) the influence from their church (and there are entirely too many churches here – i doubt the validity of most) – 3) unwillingness to accept anything new and different – i would cite lack of education as the main problem though

    • Kerry Norton

      Amen!

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      domination by church: power and money

      • Richard Adams

        Power and money are the only things the church has ever given a damned about

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        and ,,,,,,,,,,lets not forget cloaking it under salvation”————which is MIND BLOWING to be idiotic enough2 “think” there is life after death
        ========================================
        me? Ive had heaven and hell here on this planet already

  • 13bigdaddy13

    The federal government was far too lenient after the Civil War.

  • John Doeman

    Allen Clifton is an ignorant, racist pos to ignore.

  • agio

    1,761,761 people in Georgia voted for Barack Obama in 2012. Are you saying we should just say, screw them, because it’s just too much of a challenge?

  • Burt Lancaster

    Funny how on nearly the last paragraph of this article I was asked DO YOU SUPPORT TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE? You mean the kind where you only get married once it’s until death till you part? Yup. I don’t care if that kind of marriage includes gay and straight people…

  • Ronald Dykeman

    People, the U.S. civil war had nothing to do with slavery. Many people throughout the south were looking at ways to gradually abolish slavery. Slavery was on its way out. The south split away because of Abraham Lincoln ordering them to set free all the slaves before they could send them to school, and get them some kind of skills so that they could make it as free people. Incidentally, many freed slaves fought for the confederacy. The south really had the right idea, so please dont be so unduly harsh on them!!!

  • wtfbamboo

    I stumbled upon this article on Facebook and thought I would read it; I suppose it was the incendiary waving of the Confederate flags that got my attention. All I can say is that the article is neither forward nor progressive. To lambaste southern states and most of its residents with these ludicrous claims of never ending bigotry , racism, homophobia and ignorance is, well, bigoted and ignorant. I am not familiar with this website so perhaps it is a place to vent and rant and blast conservatives. I won’t linger here long enough to find out. The writer touches upon subjects that are relevant but only to inflame and belittle Southerners and paint them all with the same condemning brush. The only remedy offered was that the South could secede, yawn, that’s such an old joke. And for the record, I am not a conservative, and I am not a Southerner and I abhor racism and homophobia and religious intolerance. I am familiar with the mentality being described in the article, and when I did live in a Southern state I met some people who fit the mold depicted. I have met these kind of people in Northern states as well. I now live in Florida which by geographic location one could say is a Southern state, but by transfused population it is not. The writer closes the article with an all inclusive damning and demeaning statement about all Southerners. The statement reflects more about the writer than they do about Southerners. >>>It’s been over 150 years since the civil war and somehow generation after generation of people within these Southern states remain just as ignorant today as they were back then.>>>

  • Gelliant Gutfright

    Little known, but…Here is Texas, “Wimmin” were legally considered “minors’ (without the ability to enter into a legally binding contract) until 1967! A single woman who wanted to buy a car, had to have her Dad or adult brother co-sign the note!

  • John Bottomley

    Stop the sterotype then and allow the real South be seen. There are more rebel flags flying in Pennsylvania than North Carolina and as long as this nonsense is what the rest of the US sees, that is what the rest of the US is going to believe. The South of today is not what this article is trying to paint. People to not save up an entire working life to retire here because it sucks.

  • Jim Jackson

    Why can’t Blacks dominate the southern vote? Are they Republicans too?

  • williamwalker

    Though the author is from Texas and I understand his frustration with the historical slowness of progress in Southern politics, I don’t agree with his stereotyped analysis of the region. Should all liberals flee the land with their spouses and children to avoid the coming destruction?? In the end, he is also being short-sighted and even ignorant. Historically, the small mindedness in the South is not region-wide, and is almost always a type of ultra-conservative propaganda spread to uneducated voters that directly benefits the wealthy and/or powerful. Because let’s face it — in the most corrupt of societies, money and power do get things done. The author does concede, albeit marginally, that slavery, anti-suffragism, segregation, and anti-gay sentiment existed outside the South. But he does not even hint at other facts of history — that entire regions of the South voted against secession but were overruled or “outvoted” by more populous and powerful regions, that many Southern settlers did not agree with “Indian removal” policies, that major civil rights leaders that helped lead change came directly from the cradle of the South, and that some of the more recent court cases challenging anti-gay marriage are from Southern states. Absolutely — the charming, friendly South can also be a very hate-filled, scary place, especially when it comes to loudmouth, politically motivated people who should keep their traps shut. Yet it is a crucible of shockingly public beliefs where the ones holding back the region are heard the loudest right before they collapse onto themselves and slow acceptance and social integration of the new ones begin. It’s like a fire where the oldest scrub pine is cheap, flames up quick, and gives off more heat than smoke, but in the end burns out very quickly into a heap of ash while a new piece of oak is going to cause a lot of smoke, but is very long lasting. Eventually, when the old scrub pine is more trouble than it’s worth, they’ll try the oak again, now aged, for a better controlled and higher quality fire. In conclusion, the political resistance to gay marriage in the South is about to collapse, the embers will quickly burn themselves out, and for all the effort we see today being put into this particular form of hate — it will first try to convert to something else (religious freedom, etc.), then slowly vanish, and finally politicians will deny they ever did such things in 20 years. Sorry, but an author claiming an entire region of people are “backwards, knuckle-dragging” who are “constantly holding this country back” does nothing to encourage forward thinkers who live and work in the South, nor does it help improve relations in the already inevitable win coming in the region. Corrupt Southern politicians are nervous about the coming change and are wondering how to keep their seats after the years of ignorance they sowed. So, no, the South is not holding the country back — it is in fact doing what it has always done. It is following the country’s lead, resisting and fighting publicly in order to buy time, time needed to slowly skew and change their message without public attention in order to save face and appear strong; time needed to allow society to figure out how to compromise and make the new system of beliefs appear permanent and as a characteristic that has always been there. It is a very different process, and I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, but one that would be difficult to change in the region. He can rightfully whine about how slow the South is to change, but he can’t say the South is all ignorant nor that is it to blame for holding the entire nation back.

  • suburbancuurmudgeon

    Shoulda let them secede…

    • williamwalker

      Harry Turtledove has written some fascinating works about what would have happened if the South had won the war, or been allowed to secede. I stopped reading after the fourth book, because it was all about horrific bloody unending war — most of Europe’s wars in the 20th century ended up being played out on American soil. That, I think, is a real possibility, or more likely, there might have been reunification after a few decades of the secession experiment.

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        If you want a fascinating read, get American Nations by Colin Woodard. It traces our development in terms of the regions settled by our ancestors, not by states. It explains a lot about modern political cultures.

  • MEquals88

    these bastards are holding our country for ransom, and are continuing to get away with it!

  • Idontevenlikethesouth

    If you want to start an article using reasons we started the Civil War, maybe you should actually know Something about what started the Civil War. Don’t rely on your third grade history knowledge, because we are not taught real history. We were also taught that we liked Native Americans.
    So much for southern people being the only ignorant ones.

  • Anathalee Sandlin

    The author might want to take a look around and see what’s also going on in Kansas and Oklahoma. It’s not just the Southern states holding this country back. There are pockets of racism, anti women fanatics and bought and paid for politicians all over this country. Oh, and the author seems to have a limited understanding of the slavery issue. The North also had slave owners and there was more than slavery at stake during the Civil War. And if you notice there are red states everywhere passing laws that take us back sixty years. Does this writer even watch the news? And I mean the REAL news.

  • Jason

    You people are absolute morons. Christ all mighty your level of stupidity is absolutely astounding. Reading that ridiculous and inflammatory article has sadly taken away precious minutes of my life I can now never get back. The south is why we can’t make progress in this country? Give me a break. Liberalism is a disease of the foolish and delusional. Clearly you all have the illness. So very sad.

  • Alexis Betancourt

    Thank you Allen. You are always so good at your commentaries. Keep giving us your best.

  • Adam B

    Allen,

    I was raised in south Dallas, so I have experienced a little bit of southern discrimination. That being said:

    As a proud liberal southerner, I’m sort of flabbergasted at the huge tendency of northern liberals to completely shirk responsibility for societal ills in their own back yards. You’re absolutely right that the south fought against civil rights. I would add that southerners also fought for civil rights. I would also add that the north didn’t just jump wholeheartedly into civil rights either – Boston, MA fought desegregation about as hard as Little Rock, AK. (You don’t hear much about that one, though.)

    But now? I hear people (mainly well-to-do white liberals) throughout various parts of the country talk as if the south could just disappear, racism would be solved and we could all just go along with our lives. Never mind the horrors that go out of their way to set POC children up for failure in every major city I can think of – Dallas, Houston, New Orleans, Los Angeles, Chicago, New York City, Philadelphia, D.C.? How about redlining that goes on everywhere? Or cops shooting POC youth in the back? Or class based school funding that leaves middle schools with 125 kids in one huge room with only a few corkboard bulletin boards on wheels for walls? Or incredibly segregated hoods that few, if any of these well-to-do white liberals would dare venture into for more than an ironic gang-sign selfie? Or the fact that I’ve had good POC friends in some areas of the north (since, generally, the north is much whiter than the south except for in cities where they have parity) be told that they wouldn’t be served at restaurants or allowed to shop? Or universal gerrymandering? Or the crop up of Voter ID laws and rollbacks of early voting and other voter hurdles that try and keep people away from the polls not just in the south, but pretty much everywhere you can find Republicans?

    I think these people would be a little hard pressed to find the good folks of Harlem, Brooklyn, Long Island, Brownsville, Compton, Oakland, Watts, Long Beach, South Chi, West Chi, East Chi, Detroit, Flint, North Philly, Camden, West Baltimore, Southeast D.C. able to confirm that racism is mainly a southern phenomenon. But treating racism as a mainly regional (southern) problem is an amazing tonic for these people – it lets them sleep peacefully at night in vastly white suburbs without having to worry about the ruined lives that they contribute to and benefit from. Washes the blood right off their hands.

    You can say it’s the southern bloc of the GOP, but no – it’s the GOP. You can say it’s the southern-based GOP, but it’s the GOP. If we’re just putting the word southern before words and groups we don’t like, then yeah, the south is really awful! I suppose that John Thune, Roy Blunt, Murkowski, Marco Rubio, Crapo, Risch, Kirk, Coats, Chuck “soylent green” Grassly, Pat Roberts, Moran, Susan Collins, Johanns, Fischer, Heller, Kelly “I’m fucking crazy” Ayotte, Richard Burr, John Hoevven, Rob Portman, Pat Toomey, Ted Cruz’s Canadian ass, Orrin Hatch, Mike “tukar jrrrbs” Lee, Ron Johnson, Mike Enzi and Barasso are just 100% blameless here? Peter King, Michelle Bachmann, Mitch Daniels, Tom Corbett, John Kasich, Sarah fucking Palin, Paul fucking Ryan, Rick fucking Santorum, Rick Snyder, Pat Toomey, Scott Walker. Contrary to popular belief, the lot of them was not in fact born in Meridian Mississippi – and they and their supporters (both outside and inside the south) are to blame for their actions. The fact is, they went along with every quadruple-world-record-filibuster along with their southern pals?

    The author is from Texas – so he should know that our backwards ass elected officials are elected by about 10% of the state every midterm election. The south isn’t overwhelmingly red, it’s overwhelmingly apathetic and without hope. If every person voted, it would be blue tomorrow.

    And another thing. I think it’s kind of problematic for the north to export their fuckups down south and then blame them on us. (See, H.W. Bush, G.W. Bush, Ted Nugent, etc.) The fact is, before Obama, our last progressive presidents were Clinton (AK), Carter (GA), LBJ (TX). I think southern liberals have the best chance to save this country, and maybe we’ll all be better off if we spewed a little less bigoted bullshit about each other (this article included.)

  • http://www.easttnnews.com/ John M Disque

    It is the basic human fear of change and difference that holds us back.

    Most of the south is very rural where people want a predictable and uncomplicated existence. You love the things everyone else loves and you hate the things that everyone else hates or else…………. you’re the enemy.

    The issue is a matter of heritage and culture. The problem is: many of the
    things they take a whole lot of pride in are despicable and immoral but they
    will fight to the death to conserve them.

    A lot of it has to do with the power of the church. In the south… “being Christian” is all you have to be in-order to be labeled a good person… so every criminal and hate-monger labels themselves Christian and continues the chain of cultural ignorance.

    The southern way of life used to be about farms, food, family, clean air, mountains and health. All of that is worth preserving but….. they’re convinced that someone is trying to steal that from them so today it’s all about hatred, racism, pre-judgment, fear and violence.

    It’s to the point where all a southern politician has to do is say, “I hate Obama” and they pick a million votes so they all say “I hate Obama.”

    What the average southerner is not understanding is: they’re sleeping with their enemy and they always have been. Their big threat was never the black man or the yankee or the homosexual or the liberal. Their big threat was that Christian politician.

    • williamwalker

      I agree with your statement except for one uncomfortable truth — during the colonial and early national period, the South was the LEAST religious part of the nation. It was, however, a major economic powerhouse in agriculture for the next century. The ones who benefited, of course, were just a few wealthy plantation owners (especially true for certain “founding fathers” out of Virginia). Politics in the South very quickly got tied up into the old feudal system of Europe — those with the land and wealth made the rules, even in this new democracy where, for the average 18th century Southerner, the American “dream” was to own their own piece of land, farm it, and get a piece of the pie that the plantation owners seemed to have. After the Second Great Awakening, the South really turned more religious culturally, especially among the poor and small farmers that weren’t getting ahead in society. It was at that time that the feudal and religious systems merged closer together, in one instance culminating in the formation of the “Southern Baptist Convention” in 1845 — where it was explicitly put forth that the Southern church leadership felt agitated by the abolitionists of the North, and therefore needed to split away. However, this merger of power was not handled uniformly. Even today, in the more mountainous regions of the South, religion has more sway than feudalism whereas in the flat, agricultural regions, feudalism is more powerful than religion. That is only culturally speaking. Politically, the two made great bedfellows when it came to pre-enlightenment European conservatism. So, I would say the enemy was not necessarily the Christian politician, but the Christian-Feudal politician who continues the tradition of “plantation politics.” Their mantra is let the downtrodden accept their lot and may all evil protest and revolution against conservatism be suppressed. Yet, knowing progress is actually good, the formula is to raise a fuss whenever perceived threats to their power arise, only to secretly accept the coming changes while slowly shifting the attention of the masses to another issue. There have always been progressive voices, but these are drowned out by the Plantation Political propaganda machine before election time.

  • CeeDub

    As a Southerner who holds a high degree of disdain for whacko Republicans, I have to call out Mr. Clifton for the same kind of ignorant generalizations and crude insults that drive me crazy when it’s someone on the right spewing hateful nonsense. Yes, history shows the South lags behind on progressive social issues but to characterize an entire region this way reflects the same reflexive stupidity that makes me cringe whenever I hear a Ted Cruz or a Michele Bachmann open their mouth.

  • ST

    You guys are a bunch of idiots. Southern States don’t hold this country back. That’s your opinion. Mine is that states like New York and Oregon hold this country back. Southern states are still defending states rights, like the right to outlaw same-sex marriage. And most Southern states still support the 2nd amendment. The left is screwing up our country. They want to make everyone ‘feel good’ and have no one actually take responsibility. Last time I checked, the reason we pay so many taxes is because the left-run government hand out money to people so they never have to work. That’s just my opinion. If you disagree, I respect that.

  • mikey

    Your article is great but you forgot to mention the biggest impact of the south. In chorus with greedy businessmen, the southern “right to work ” slave lobor wages policy destroyed the northeast garment industry, the carpet industry and have been attempting to steal the auto production from the north.
    Both my mother and my father lost their jobs to the southern slave wages, anti union and tax scam south. It was like a foreign county was enacting tarrifs to break our economy!!!

  • kimquistador

    This is a terribly fallacious article. I have lived in the south for my entire life, and I am extremely progressive and socially liberal. I hate this sanctimonious attitude from Northerners, because it is almost wholly unfounded. Let’s go point by point.

    1) The Civil War was not fought only over slavery. It was primarily fought over which kind of society the US would move forward with – agricultural or industrial. Industrial won. While the end of the US as an agrarian country certainly meant the end of the abhorrent and completely unacceptable practice of slavery, the ascendency of industrialism caused new problems that we are still dealing with today in all 50 states (see Triangle Shirtwaist Fire, ecological devastation, Detroit, et al).

    2) In the case of women’s suffrage, it wasn’t the “North” that was on the vanguard, but the West. While women in Massachusetts and Pennsylvania were continuously denied the right to vote, women in Utah, Washington, and California began to expand suffrage to women. The West and the North are two culturally distinct areas of the US. It’s not fair to claim it when you want (Washington, California, Colorado, et al) and blast it when disagree with its policies (Arizona, Utah, et al).

    3) Segregation – this is a common claim that non-Southerners make that is totally untrue. The South was no more segregated than the North. While this segregation was more entrenched in the laws in the South, and Jim Crow basically extended slavery for another 100 years, blacks in the North didn’t fare significantly better. From “Africans in America” on PBS: “Despite the actions of abolitionists, life for free blacks was far from idyllic, due to northern racism. Most free blacks lived in racial enclaves in the major cities of the North: New York, Boston, Philadelphia, and Cincinnati. There, poor living conditions led to disease and death. In a Philadelphia study in 1846, practically all poor black infants died shortly after birth. Even wealthy blacks were prohibited from living in white neighborhoods due to whites’ fear of declining property values.” Also, let’s not forget where redlining began and was most prevalent – not in the South, but in Philadelphia and New York. Still today, in 2000, for instance, the US Census Bureau found that residential segregation has on average declined since 1980 in the West and South, but less so in the Northeast and Midwest. Indeed, the top ten most segregated cities are in the Rust Belt, where total populations have declined in the last few decades.

    4) Interracial marriage – anti-miscegenation laws began in colonial times and applied to all 13 colonies. After Independence, all new states, both free and slave, maintained these laws.While the North and West repealed them before the South, the North was never a bastion of love for interracial families.

    5) Gun laws – hate to break this to you, but according to Guns and Ammo, the top 10 most gun friendly states are as follows: 10) New Hampshire, 9) Missouri, 8) Kansas, 7) Alabama, 6) Wyoming, 5) Kentucky, 4) Utah, 3) Alaska, 2) Vermont, 1) Arizona. That breaks down to 2 Northern states, 5 Western/Mid-Western states, and only 3 Southern states. There are no southern states even in the top 5! The problem here is not the South; it’s the West (notice TX didn’t even make the list).

    6) And finally, marriage equality – the North has been way out ahead of us on this issue, and I dearly hope that the South will soon capitulate on this matter. See, you got at least one thing right! Pat yourself on the back!

  • Georgian

    Wow, is that meant to be satire? The “facts” are all incorrect and all happened more than 60 years ago. People and states throughout the country supported slavery and discrimination of all sorts. We’ve come a long, long way since then, largely through the efforts of southerners. The article is just a hateful, lie-drenched rant about a huge area of the country which has produced some of our best presidents, civil rights leaders, businesses, entertainers, writers and poets, agriculture, foods, charities, etc. How does this person propose to “stop allowing southern states to ruin this country?” Kill us? Take away our right to vote? Discriminate against us? Turn us into slaves? Seems that an article actually addressing “ruin” in the country would focus on corruption in politics, pointless foreign wars, denial of climate change, imprisonment and probation of 5.5 million people for drug offenses, welfare and medicare fraud, poisonous pesticides and fertilizers in food and waterways, etc.

  • GA

    First off, to the author: you’re an idiot. I’ve lived in Georgia all of my life and most of the people in my age group (40-45), support equality (ie gay marriage), do not tolerate racism, and are fairly educated on how the government works. Ignorance is not about geography, it’s about what you are taught from a young age. If you really want to talk about racism, look at the segregation of the public schools in the north, New York, Washington D.C., and Chicago make a mockery of Brown vs. Board of Ed.

  • David

    It’s easy to bash the South for most of those reasons. Not all of us believe those statements! I am sure that Northern States and big cities have pleanty of crazy people running around saying racist things. The greatest thing about America is the right to your own opinion. Good or bad no one should agree with censorship or disbanding the union. Yes believe the South has a sad history of hatred to many groups throughout the years but this country would not have the growth today without these bumps in our past. Looking at bad points in history and casting judgement is where stupidity starts. Continuing to fight for good causes and making our country great should be the message we send out. Even though this story has lots of truthes in it. It also spreads more hate than probably entended.

  • David

    I see my comments were taken down because I did not agree with author. Censorship is worse than being a racist!!! I hope you get fired.

  • LibertariansFTW

    Grouping an entire populous together and saying they all have one negative trait? I thought that was prejudice but apparently it’s forward and progressive.

    Y’all are hypocrites.

  • mark nathan

    It’s not just the southern states look around at congress the party of no and you will find racism is well represented throughout. Congress is a mirror of who we are. I had no idea racism was so alive and well, since the election of President Obama. It no longer is as blatant as it once was, it mostly hides behind smiles and doors. We have a long way still to go. You will never change the heart of a true racist and they are mostly old and unwise. Time is not on their side.

  • Judy Tinsley

    Sorry to dispute the many myths of this article, but the South DID NOT cause the civil war. I resent being called a “knuckle dragging” Southerner. I do not support the TEA PARTY or the Republicans. What I do resent is the name calling of the South’s rich history and traditions. I support gay marriage and the Right to Choose. Crap like this article only serve to fan the flames of discord.

    • Zach Reid

      look. I live in the south and went school in Charleston SC and I’m telling you: the south caused and started the civil war

  • Nick

    First of all you are blind by your own idea of hating a small portion of southerners who actually believe this. You can’t go around blaming the southern states for blocking progress when the power itself lies in the people. That’s the most narrow minded thing I have ever heard in my life. If you actually researched the war between the states you would realize that Jefferson Davis wanted to abolish slavery as well and that abraham Lincoln the great emacapator wanted to send all of the African Americans back to africa. It’s your lack of intelligence and blind trust in what the history books tell you and the lies the news media gives you that makes you ignorant and for that you are blocking progress. This nation will never move forward with anything until you stop hating what you know nothing about.

  • Trish

    Having lived I both the South and North, I agree with much in the article. However, integration was fiercely opposed in the North as well. I think it was Dr, King who answered when said when the struggle in the North began, (I paraphrase)–now the hard part begins.

  • EMH

    I’m southern and couldn’t agree more. Please don’t think we’re all that way!

  • JLG

    Its not really fair, though, to categorize all people from the south as “knuckle dragging” and holding the country back. Are those people holding back progress? Absolutely. But there are a lot of liberals in the south (speaking as a proud liberal trying to help turn Texas blue), more with every generation and I would argue, every time these people move farther to the right. They alienate those who would like to see progress made in all the areas you mentioned. So as someone who is trying really hard to help create areas of progress in the south, please don’t discount us all. In fact, did you know that all the major cities in Texas voted for Obama, percentage-wise in 2012? Change is coming.

  • William

    I’m from the south and im not going to go all crazy with my grammar and spelling so shut up I’m on my phone. I feel as if this article is just as ignorant and arrogant as you claim the southerners to be. Check your facts before you write a public article bashing an entire region when it’s simply not true. Stay up north where you obviously belong and vote for what you believe in. Just because we don’t agree with same sex marriage, we like guns, and we have a massive amount of care for people around us doesn’t make us “drag your country down”. It’s “our” country and it’s diverse. Either deal with it or move to another country.

  • Amy Day Royall

    I don’t disagree, however there are other backward states in this country. All of these teabaggers didn’t just come from the south.

  • Jamie

    Way to generalize, dipshit. Rather than bitching about how backwards this place is, I’m in Jackson, MS, teaching public high school and actually fighting to make the South a better place.

    Put down your latte, get out of your Volvo, and do something useful (ie, not take cheap shots at an entire region via your keyboard).

  • LoriBelle

    Ok, there are a lot of us southerners who aren’t knuckle dragging imbeciles. We are fighting as hard as we can to change the mindset down here. It’s a tough fight, but one we will win.

  • Lisa Faye

    I completely disagree with this entire column. I tell you why. The whole story is not being told here. Not even close. And, if you have the complete story it paints a whole different picture. Ok, for example, when the slaves, that erveryone used & had in those days from coast to coast, were set free in the South, a lot stayed on. My descendants helped them build homes for them & their families on a pieces of land that was paid off eventually by them by working the fields, alongside my family of tobacco farmers. The ones that went to N.Y. & West, well you see, they got caught up in the cross hairs because, even though the slaves were “free” in some states mostly the northern states, dragged their feet a bit. And, many were put back in chains. See, little facts of history that’s left out of this little ditty of a story. The northern states were the very last to get slavery off their books. I have family jewelry from Europe that was stolen by the northern soldiers. Many of us do. Not to mention the awful things they did to women & children, MY family & burned down complete towns.  If anywhere in the world was treated in war the way the southern states were, there would be khaos. So, as a little refresher on your history might be in order before sounding off & not having the entire story.

    • Sue Roediger

      perhaps you family did act humanely and responsibly – but very many did not, they created a pattern of indentured servitude that was, in some ways, worse than slavery.

  • Reality Check

    Yawn… as if the “Northern States” have a clean nose. This is class A bigotry, delusion and hypocrisy at its finest.

    True, the North had a larger number of abolitionists and progressives during that period, but they also had blatantly racist laws preventing free black people from actually getting rights as citizens. And also, lynch mobs. Which was why it was the North, not the South, that hosted the country’s most violent race riot in history.What started out as a protest against the Union’s draft policy, ended as a full-on assault on any African-Americans unfortunate enough to exist and get caught.

    And you point out the civil rights era as if only the south made fools of themselves? You should read Thomas Surgue’s book The Origin of the Urban Crisis.

    And modern day racism isn’t blatant outside of the south? What planet do you live on? What about Cali and its many connections to the Aryan brotherhood? Or the Aryan Brotherhood police raid in Northern Ohio in 2005? Or the voter intimidation in Philadelphia in 2008? Or Rodney King? Or the Cheektowaga, NY incident a few weeks back? And speaking of the civil rights movement, let’s not forget about the Boston bus crisis, or what led to the riots of Rochester, Harlem, Bufallo NY and Elizabeth and Jersey City riots as well (just a few to name). I could go on and on and on to further prove that you northerners are more deluisional and brainwashed than the Jonestown cult members ever were (and speaking of bigotry, I always enjoy reading online where atheists celebrate the Jonestown incident by praising their Atheist idol – who wasn’t a southerner mind you – on manipulating innocent christian families into a mass suicide. Real classy, coming from people who preach unity and peace).

    I’m a black man living in the south and I love it. You people portray it as some third world region and it’s rather easy, especially for those who have never visited. But as they say, No one retires and moves to the North. And that’s true considering more and more northerners are flocking here daily.

    It’s quite ironic as you people call out the south for mythical modern day bigotry that’s as blatant here as it is anywhere else, yet in the same sentence, your bigotry is put on display by childish namecalling, nonexistent stereotypes, and incessant hate-filled drivel. Hypocrites?

    But while you guys are locked away in twenty feet of snow, suffering from moderate to severe depression, we’ll send a postcard from the golf course, the mountains, the beaches, Hollywood East, etc, aka all the places you vacation in. Because other than to visit a crime plagued city that smells like piss and looks like used toilet paper and is overflowing with more trashy and ratty lunatics than all of the south combined (New York), why would anyone ever want to visit the North when we have everything the North has to offer, except for better weather, friendlier people and far prettier women?

    • Reality Check

      And how could I have possibly left off Donald Sterling feom the list? YET another fine example of the California racism that people oddly claim doesn’t exist.

      • Sue Roediger

        There are racist individuals everywhere — here in California we deplore people like Sterling. I live in a very multi-ethnic town — I
        go to the park and see such wonderful diversity sharing the place without incident.

  • Chris H.

    Way to be a complete dick about it. Call everyone in one region of the US “knuckle-dragging” if you want to exasperate the people that are actually trying to make a difference.

    You want change? Stop being a dismissive little baby. In fact, don’t be dismissive about anything. Ever. That’s a one way ticket to the same ignorant bullshit we in the south are struggling against. Try to fix it from the inside- the people who actually live in the south are the first to be affected by these things. Do something to alleviate the widespread poverty, the thinly-veiled racism, the broken school systems (not like there aren’t plenty of great schools here to measure everything else by).

  • LN

    Read a history book you moron. Segregation happened everywhere in this country and so did slavery even beyond the civil war up until the industrial revolution. It’s disgusting that you call yourself progressive and call for tolerance yet you do not have tolerance for those who do not think exactly like you do. You feel like you can no longer tolerate ‘Southerners’ you lump them all into a group like the world can be defined in black and white. It can’t and Slavery was wrong. I don’t hear any one trying to go back to that. I strongly suggest that before you go around bashing and generalizing an entire group of people while calling for tolerance, you think again. Now that is irony.

    • Sue Roediger

      There was no segregation in the sense of different facilities and Jim Crow law in most of the North or here in California.

  • http://leaveyourdailyhell.com Robert Schrader

    You do realize that slavery was instituted and maintained by democrats, right?

    • Sue Roediger

      Google – Southern Strategy …. the old racist Democrats have all migrated to the new Republican party

  • Robert Hatch

    While I agree wholeheartedly, I feel the need to point out that at the time the southern states were claiming constitutional rights to keep slavery there was nothing in the Constitution against it (and if anything there were implications for it, but that is up to interpretation), thus it was, at the time, a valid argument (granted a stupid one too, but no less valid. There are plenty of times a stupid argument has validity under law as much as it still makes it wrong which we all hope to one day make our legal system free of such issues). Also keep in mind that argument raged for over 100 years before the war began. In that time there were plenty of horrible instances both North and South, but granted the South had many more. After the war all is correct in the article, unfortunately the terrible history of how we, as a country, behaved to slavery is a mark this country has to bare. It is a scar which will be visible for all time. All we can do is try our best to acknowledge it while not trying to fester it and let it heal, but it will always be a scar. I suppose that is a bit off the point though.

  • Sandra Burleson

    Isn’t lumping those of us who aren’t ignorant and bigoted a little bigoted on your part? I’m mortified, to see the way some of my fellow Southerners act, but not every Southerner is like that.

  • Richard Tingley

    All I can do is offer my deepest apologies. I keep trying to drag the plethora of ignorant people around me into the future and they keep fighting it like a dog getting put into a bath tub.

  • Joshua Allen Hanks

    Some parts of the South are more progressive. Mainly the large cities. Many progressives in the small towns don’t stay though. They either move somewhere like Austin or out of the South entirely, like i did. We have to remember that state politics there are corrupt, gerrymandered, and represent the good ol’ boys club, not the common people. And new voting restrictions i think represent a desperate fight to maintain power in a changing South.

  • Executivesouthernwoman

    We are ignorant in the south? Calling a whole region of the country ignorant, shows your lack of tolerance. It also is predjudice to call all of us ignorant. Thus making you the exact thing you claim to dislike.

    As a southerner, I am none of the things in your article. Your anger and ignorance shows how uninclusive you truly are. You think that you are a modern thinker, but you are just as bad as the people you are talking about.

    I feel very sad for you. Your life must be miserable.

    • Sue Roediger

      Please explain how he is wrong. Yes there are many in the South who are different from those Allen writes about……but apparently too few to have any rational influence on the others.

  • StarDagger

    Well said!

  • Ileene

    This is a fairly “ignorant article”, seriously if you think we are all so damn dumb and evolutionary backwards..then quit moving here..I’m Texas proud

  • Tennvol

    You folks need a history lesson,The South did not secede on the account of slavery,,yes there were slaves in the south,,but also in the north,,the south seceded over tarrifs and taxation un fair to the more agricultural states,you need to read some history from the times,,not the hog wash written in the past 145 years which is only someones oppinon, fact is less than 5% of the households in the southern states in 1860 owned a single slave,,so why would the other 95% go and fight so his neighbor could own slaves??? educate yourselves with facts, not lies from tv

  • flugelinski

    I can’t let this BS pass. I am a proud liberal southerner, and I take great exception to your characterization of the entire southeastern US as a bunch of Neanderthals. OK, we have 38% conservatives & 36% liberals with 26% swing voters; while the fabulously enlightened northeast has 36% cons, 38% libs & 26% swingers. Obviously you’re smarter than us, which is why you gave birth to such great artistes like Sly Stallone. Bully for you.

    The big breaks are rural vs. urban, levels of education, and rich vs. poor. You’re richer. Congratulations, and FU.

    5-things-red-state-liberals-want-blue-state-liberals-know

  • Robyn Ryan

    Educate the children. If we spent 1/10th the money we spend on killing people on transit, education and public amenities, the stupid would die of starvation.

  • disqus_ISCI1t4XZS

    And don’t forget abortion!

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  • Jeff Tobin

    There is hate ALL over the nation and sadly ALL over the world. I am a Texan, a liberal, and gay, it wasn’t easy growing up here but it’s getting a heck of a lot better. Can we please stop allowing all the finger pointing and name calling to detract from the issues.

  • Mr President Sir!

    It’s not just the South. The more I argue politics on the internet the more I realize ignorance is every where. Last week I was arguing with an extremely well educated member of the military from Maryland. Who was as right wing , tea party, Bass Ackwards as anyone I know in the South.
    Also on the subject of ignorance…. I point out again that singling out the South for its short comings is only creating enemies and harming our cause. You are perpetuating the us against them attitude instead of we are all one Americans. The same way the worst among them do.

  • Edwin Sineath

    13th amendment ended slavery, not the Republican War against the CSA. If the Republicans had really wanted to end slavery they could have passed the 13th amendment by June of 1861. As usual, Progressives know next to nothing about American history.

  • Bill

    I generally tend at agree with most of your postings, but on this one I can’t… please do not paint all of Southerners with the same broad brush, as the Neanderthal, knuckle dragging, troglodytes, that have bought their way into political office. The majority of us are not ignorant, and crave moving forward, but due to the iron grip that gerrymandered districts have given to incumbents, and the millions upon millions of dollars, that carpetbaggers like the Kock brothers have spent, buying off everyone they can, we are fighting an uphill battle.

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  • @JacksonCheese

    As Florida Governor, I will cut off everything north of Gainesville and give it to Georgia. It will immediately improve the quality of life & intellectual infrastructure in the Sunshine State. #Cheese4FL

  • Sandra Phillips

    I live in the South and have but for the first eight years of my life.I detest slavery,believe in women’s rights and have no problem with inter-racial marriage but am strongly against gay marriage because I care about the children involved in these unions and it goes against my Christian beliefs.

    • Michael

      So, in other words, you have chosen to define your faith by how much you hate gays rather than by how much you love God.

      • Sandra Phillips

        No in other words you want to come up with your own interpretations of what I said.I stand for what I believe !

      • Sandra Phillips

        How silly.

  • Catherine Amor-Clark

    Don’t forget education. Their politicians like them stupid. These states couldn’t survive without Federal money, supplied by more progressive states. The more progressive states are only able to do this because of education. Education could lift many of these states out of abject poverty. But then their politicians wouldn’t be able keep them down.

  • LJRhodes

    They do seem to have a knack for laying waste to the good ol’ U.S. of A.

  • Kim Serrahn

    Allen I agree but you also have to acknowledge the fact that the top 10% are the driving force behind it all and they (10%) are controlled by the top 1%. But the blame lies with us for allowing this to happen right under out noses.

  • garry lafferty

    AMEN

  • Wallace Robertson

    Allen Clifton should stop drunk posting

  • Kyle Smiley

    How dare you insult entire states for the minority of people still “dragging knuckles.” I’ve lived in Arkansas my whole life and I have NEVER embraced a single ideal you just shoved upon the entirety of the South. It isn’t slavery or suffrage or gay right denial holding this country back, it’s divisiveness, and promoting these stereotypes is what really sets us back fifty years. Oh, and I voted quite liberally. If more than a third of the country showed up to vote, maybe you wouldn’t have to write an article promoting yet another form of segregation.

  • melnie

    I don’t see how yall can talk about the south we haven’t had ebola issues were curing people at emory! !!!

  • Allen O Jackson

    Just as soon as we can get New York to stop sucking the life out of the rest of the country. I’ll just explain that. When I say New York, I mean the 1% who live there, the bankers and traders who sent the jobs overseas for “shareholder value,” and the people who enjoy a cosmopolitan diverse city at the expense of homogenizing nearly every other city in the country.

  • BishopAndrewGeralesGentry

    well you had best add Wisconsin Idaho Arizona Oklahoma and Nebraska along with Colorado!

    • Dennis Velco

      Creepy old fat f-ggot, who cares what you think? You’re just some old trashy pedophile lefty. You’re a sad case – gay guys like their meat young and thin, and look at you, you pile of fecal matter – hideously old, grossly obese, gray, bald, thoroughly.

      Clergy like you are the scum of the earth. Sleazebag atheists who use churches to push their political agenda.

      Hope you get arrested for groping boys and end up in prison.

      • BishopAndrewGeralesGentry

        Sounds like you have been there! At any rate your lack of insult skills betrays your lack of both education and intelligence. let us hope someday you will actually grow up and be a mature human being instead of a ranting sophomoric adolescent with highly repressed sexual issues! I have now wasted more time than I should have on this dead common nonsense.

      • JeffreyRo55

        You got such a big sunny smile in that photo – what happened, were your an_l warts giving you a fit that day, or were you having your period, or your prozac dosage needs to be upped?

        Just what the world news – an old fat ugly disease-spreading priestess with a SOUR face. Girl, that really packs people into the church, doesn’t it? Bet you are a “bishop” over at least 5 or 6 people.

        Gays are losers, and pro-gay churches are for losers.

      • BishopAndrewGeralesGentry

        Your response is so silly as to be embarrassing for you or should be but then again that does presuppose an I Q above 40! As said earlier to other daff churls no more time for such silliness! Your attempt at being insulting leaves much to be desired! Poor child!

  • Robert Floyd

    This is a bit subjective. Don’t get me wrong there is plenty of backwards, ignorant people in the south. However, even being someone from the south, I have a problem with this kind of article no matter what way it is pointed. Your attitude towards the south is a bit ignorant, we are not all idiots, just as all people from outside the south are not bi-sexual, drug induced, liberals; but that is what you would be led to believe by a post of this nature pointed outside of the south. I my self am a: Atheistic, Pro-Choice, Healthcare Reforming, Gun Safety, President Supporting, Separation of Church and State, Immigration supporter; which makes me a bit weird & a enemy to those here that are backwards. I just have an issue with any article that polarizes one side over the other.

    Also, we do not all have Confederate Flags tattooed to our face, or care about the civil war. Just as those from the north do not wear red coats, and sip tea with milk.

  • Truthspew

    Well of course – but it’s gradually changing. You have enough northern transplants in the south to start tipping it back toward civilization in a few hundred years.

  • Abdullah The Sheik of Tikrit

    You infidel demo-rats will make good slaves when Islam takes over

  • Tsmith

    I suggest watching the movie Lincoln to learn how Republicans freed the slaves. It won’t tell u how they led the way in the women’s suffrage movement but in fact they did..

  • Andrew Tracey

    I always love the “tolerant” liberals, who believe anyone who doesnt think like them is “ignorant”. Dont you want “diversity”? If you dont like the South why did you invade and force us back into political union with you? We dont want to be in union with you. We “disagree” (I know you have trouble understanding the term ‘disagree’) with the way you wish to live and wish to live our way. The difference between you and us is that we dont have a problem with you living the way you want in your States. We have better things to do then travel hundreds of miles to sue your State in Federal court to impose our will on you. If you were really “tolerant” you would leave us alone. But liberals cant “tolerate” anyone who doesnt think like them. So keep whining that you dont like the South, but always remember we are only in political union with you because you force us to be.

  • Mike Fields

    Yankee Liberal Trash! Goats on the left and Sheep on the right! Let the South go because Y’all ain’t got a clue!

  • Steve Quick

    Regressives can also secede, but your taxes are too high, your deficits are too high, your shrinking tax base is too low, your jobs too few, your politicians too corrupt and your so-called “men” too effeminate to defend. The left is ruining this country. Please, secede, self-exile, or just go F yourself. We are SICK of you

  • Practical

    Allen Clifton must be a dumb, ignorant transplanted Yankee who needs to go back to the cold, northern wasteland that he or his parents came from and shut up while leaving Southerners and the South alone.

  • Donald Smith

    The Progressive movement is now called The STUPID Grubers of America. Nothing you people can say now will be taken as the truth and then surely considered intelligent. You bunch of GRUBERS. Ha hahahaahhahaha lolololo hehehehehe hohohoho Merry Chrismas from Gruber.

  • Bill burns

    Wow! A degree in political science? How smart is it to disparage an entire section of the population? Good luck changing hearts and minds with your smarmy self righteousness. Blogging and bloviating must make you too tired to think about actually improving people’s’ lives.

  • badhabbit

    I love hearing liberals cry . You sre sick people to believe in some of the things you do

  • Marvintyson

    As one of those knuckle dragging Southern Cretins I agree with you 100%!
    You should insist that we be kicked out of the Union so that you can be free to achieve progressive nervana without us holding you back!
    Seriously, it is time for us to go our separate ways. We have no desire to make you live according to the dictates of our conscience, and you should have no desire to force us to live according to yours.
    So why don’t we let a few conservative States separate, leaving the more liberal States to live as you will.
    A period of free movement between the two would assure that liberals living in Texas for instance could move to a liberal State of their choice, and a conservative in California could move to Texas. Win win!
    Thanks for your support for Texas Independence!

  • disqus_eyQxneigOZ

    Just another liberal zombie, not worth reading.

  • Guest

    You know, there are us progressives that live here who are trying to change things. You make us feel like we are fighting an uphill battle. Instead of posting how terrible we are, why don’t you come and lend us a hand? We need more heroes like the ones who came for Freedom Summer. Heroes Like Goodman,, Schewerner, and Chaney. Yes, someone else may have to give their life if anything is going to change. But don’t just write us off. Please.

  • Courtney Lea McCallister

    Look this up ..the Confederacy was backed by a huge Jewish population.. in 1882 general grant took all the Jewish people and put them in prison camps …and also look up the Italians ,the Irish the native american nations and blacks the fought for the south and Canada and Britain and France was for the Confederacy ..new York city was also..look up new York draft riots ..and if it was over slavery then why did it take so long for Lincoln to end it? War started in 61 ..he ended it in 63 ..out of punishment to the south cuz they didn’t rejoin the union.. and also look up gas oil and coal …that was another big reason ..that’s why west Virginia became a state ..they wanted its natural resources… and for the desegregation.. look at how the schools and society was a lot better back then and look at it now ..just compare the fifties to now..our nation is falling apart and it ain’t because of the south ..if we still had these laws we be better off..can you prove different?

  • Deb Poage

    “Sometimes liberals joke that we should have just let the South secede and become their own country because we would have been much better off.”

    Who’s joking? I wasn’t.

  • Hawki56

    Yes, the knuckle dragging southerners running Atlanta, Austin, Dallas should aspire for their cities to become northern social and economic pillars like Detroit, Cleveland, Buffalo …………

  • Lanette

    I really resent this article .. why r u lumping people together in the same way that you hate people lumping you together…NOT EVERY SOUTHERNER THINKS THIS WAY ..I FOR ONE DO NOT!!! I am a U. S. Army Veteran, very southern (from New Orleans) and very liberal…I totally support LGBT RIGHTS ALONG WITH WOMEN’S RIGHTS AND FREEDOM OF RELIGION .. AND I TOTALLY OPPOSE THE NRA AND CORPORATE AMERICA..

  • Curtis Mendl

    The south will rise again. This is soon to be fact. We are the only states that seem to have the balls to do it. We stand up for our rights as a whole and want the best for our kids. Our economy is tanking. The foundations and morals this country was based on are clearly being thrown out the window. The progress your trying to move fwd with is not everyone’s goal. We were give constitutional rights by or founding fathers for a reason. Morals are based on the bible and the bible is based on Jesus Christ life. This country was founded with religious freedoms but the freedoms that were being sought at the time was Christianity. Our laws of today’s world as well as good morals are based on the 10 commandments and the bible. How else would u know not to murder someone. You talk about the KKK as if it is a horrible movement. But what u don’t know is the KKK is more of the modern day 3%er’s. In today’s community’s I personally know of good that’s being done by the KKK there helping people with there utility bills and helping with food drives for the needy. The KKK is not a hate group they just have there rights and opinions and they stand strong in there beliefs. The south will rise again on day you can count on that as long as the government keeps screwing over its people (ex: obamacare) we as a hole are well within our rights to do so.

    • Brenster21

      you lost when you mentioned the bible and that the KKK is not a hate group. last time i checked an organization whose pastimes include putting African Americans on a cross and burning them for the color of their skin, IS A HATE GROUP.

  • southern gal

    Dear Mr. Dim Wit. By order of the congress the War between the states is by law to be called the war between the states. There is no such thing as a cival war. Secondly, the emancipation proclamation freed no one. At the time when the Southern states succeded it was within each states rights and the constitutional rights of those states to do so. The constitution was amended after the war between the states to prevent any other states from separating again. As for allowing gay or same sex marriages, that is a religious belief for many. I for one am sick of other people trying to tell me how to raise my children and teach them what to believe in. If this is ok with you then sharia law will be ok too?. I do not want the village raising my children especially with village idiot’s like you running amuck

  • http://www.findagrave.com jack31961

    Why don’t you get away from the south and stay far away from it Mr. Clifton? Were doing just fine without pantywastes like you.

  • disqus_bvzyOg5eso

    Let the South display their heritage! It’s not bothering you is it? I’m from the North and it doesn’t bother me!!! It is a part of history as is the Red White and Blue is as well! Why get into a tizzy over this? Just not needed! It’s their right and the story is biased and bigotted as well!!! To sum it all up Who cares???

  • NothingMan00

    Please tell me this is either parody or just really, really dumbed down misinformation for the naive, left-half-of-the-bell-curve types who make up the rank and file of the idiotic “progressive” movement.

  • LibertarianBiker

    The southern states wanted to leave, but the Republicans forced them to stay in the union.

  • WEL024

    Mr Clifton is always welcome to carry his malcontent stupid ass to a more “progressive” hell hole like California or Illinois or New York and Texas would be so much better if he were to do so.

  • Sarah Williford

    Most offensive article I’ve ever read, and one of the more ignorant. You need to get your facts straight, and quite frankly, fuck off. If you want progression in America you, my friend, have quite the wrong attitude.

  • Ray Dubuque

    Extremely well-reasoned and stated, Allen! We at http://LiberalslikeChrist.Org agree. You know a spade when you see it, and you don’t call it a heart Maybe that’s because you don’t look at it with your upside DOWN, as Southerners seem to do!

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