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Breaking: Sovereign Citizen Gun Nut Armed with AK-47 Opens Fire in North Dallas

Suspect being taken into custody.  Image via NBC DFW

Suspect being taken into custody.
Image via NBC DFW

Around 3:30 pm CST as Dallas Fire and Rescue first responders were headed to battle a grass fire in North Dallas, they reported hearing around 15 rounds fired, possibly at them, from an unidentified location.

So far police have confirmed that a man called in to 9-1-1 claiming to be a member of the sovereign citizens movement, was armed with an AK-47 and was going around “shooting off propane tanks.”  He was on the run for nearly two hours until police confirmed that they’ve apprehended the suspect who had apparently taken cover in a heavily wooded area.

Residents in and around the area were evacuated by local police and SWAT teams for precautionary measures.

What is the “sovereign citizens movement,” you ask?  Well, they’re essentially a far-right radical anti-government group that believes they can follow whatever laws they feel like.  They especially reject most forms of taxation and view the United States government as illegitimate.

According to some, they believe the law enforcement power of any local county sheriff supersedes that of any federal official, elected official or any other form of law enforcement.

They’re classified by the FBI as a domestic terrorist group and according to a study done by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism, they’re deemed more dangerous to American citizens than Islamic terrorists or jihadists.

Just imagine Cliven Bundy supporters (you know, the people Sean Hannity vigorously defended until Bundy was exposed as a racist) or these “militia” members who believe that they have the authority to deport illegal immigrants by threatening those they encounter with death.

The best way I could summarize these lunatics is some mix of right-wing radical tea party gun nut Christians and Libertarians.

People who somehow believe themselves to be “patriotic Americans,” while not even recognizing the federal government that the United States Constitution created.

Thankfully this nutcase has been caught.  Let’s just hope there aren’t more willing to take things even further.

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Allen Clifton is from the Dallas-Fort Worth area and has a degree in Political Science. He is a co-founder of Forward Progressives, author of the popular Right Off A Cliff column, and an unapologetic Hillary Clinton supporter. He is also the founder of the Right Off A Cliff facebook page, on which he routinely voices his opinions and stirs the pot for the Progressive movement. Follow Allen on Twitter as well, @Allen_Clifton.

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  • david h

    To many of them with a psychopathic ideology on the losse

    • Galactic Star Baby

      Good thing we can’t background-check the nuts, otherwise Obummer WILL TAKE ER GHUNS!!!

  • Kristinfan413years

    wtf is wrong with that dude?

  • Brian

    As long as he was using a Heller Decision Gun™ and shooting Freedom Bullets™ then it’s all okay.

  • wheldon rumproast

    “sovereign citizen” = outlaw. Period.

    • Bonta-kun

      At least he didn’t try to call himself ‘Star-Lord’.

      …he didn’t did he?

  • jamieh2

    Who the hell would shoot at the fire department? I mean how off your rocker do you have to be to think the Fire and Rescue guys are your enemy?

    • Jim Bean

      It sure was easy for author to make you conclude that the dude shot at the fire department even though he made no statements and offered no evidence to that effect. Liberals are like sculptor’s putty.

      • Old Top Kick

        Better sculptor’s putty than Reich Wing horse crap.

      • strayaway

        I agree, as an apologist for for the West Wing of Obama’s White House writing nonsense on the front page of the NY Times, Robert Reich puts out a lot of crap.

      • Avatar

        Unlike Washington Times who keep spout out the usual right wing bullshot to undermine Obama, democrats, and democracy.

      • Jim Bean

        I would suggest that what the WT does spout about the bullshot Obama and the Dems do to undermine themselves and democracy.

      • Michael Anderson

        Dude, what does that even mean? Oh I get it, Jim Beam, as in I’m drunk.

      • strayaway

        I didn’t quote the Washington Times but if the Washington Times quoted someone, I would be more likely to believe a direct quote than shoot the messenger as seems to be you inclination. One of Robert Reich’s Reich’s buddies, the Vice-chairman of the Fed said in a speech in Stockhom two days ago, ““As part of this approach, the United States is preparing a proposal to require systemically important banks to issue bail-inable long-term debt that will enable insolvent banks to recapitalize themselves in resolution without calling on government funding–this cushion is known as a “gone concern” buffer.”” I hope your oh so superior news source brought that to you attention. It’s kind of huge news for any bank account holder who doesn’t want to get sheared like bank depositors in Cyprus.

      • [email protected]

        Strayaway, you can eat a bucket of tea party horseshit. I hope for a nice dose of pancreatic cancer for you or your kids. I loathe you and your kind and I hope someday to meet your kind on the battlefield in which you will be shown no mercy.

      • [email protected]

        Nice play on words . I use it too. 8 bullets into someone? Excessive force ? Murder in the first degree. We need to get the gangs involved.

      • Glenna Jones-Kachtik

        This might not have been a liberal…Lots of people don’t have reading comprehension skills & others just jump to conclusions. So are you one of them – since you jumped to the conclusion that jamieh2 was a liberal……

      • Jim Bean

        jameih2′s reading comprehension skills failed to alert her to the fact that no evidence was presented that anyone was shot at. She jumped to the conclusion that someone was. Its only liberals who want to believe that.

      • Laura Marshall

        Are you high? Did you even read the linked article? There are quotes from police officials that say he shot at the engine. Pull it together.

      • PRIME79

        No statement to that effect? First paragraph boss. Fire and rescue reported hearing 15 rounds being fired, “possibly at them”.

      • Jim Bean

        The statement is fraudulent. It should have read, “15 rounds being fired, obviously NOT at them.”

      • PRIME79

        Way to move the goal post. You said the author offered no statements alluding to fire and rescue being fired at. Regardless if the statement is fraudulent or not, you were wrong. The author did in fact allude to F&R being shot at.

      • Jim Bean

        The author did not say F&R were shot at. He said the shots ‘might’ have been at them. But obviously, he (author) knew the shots were NOT at them, otherwise they, or something very near to them would have suffered a bullet wound, thus providing the evidence necessary to conclude the shots were/were not at them. The author tricked you. Did a good job of it, too.

      • PRIME79

        Thank you for your translation on what the author was really saying. I have no need to translate anything, I can go by the exact words which read…”they reported hearing around 15 rounds fired, possibly at them, from an unidentified location.” What part of they reported rounds fired, possibly at them, are you having trouble with? And it must be very cool to be psychic, how do you know what the author knew or didn’t know when this was written or what he chose to put in or omit and why? It seems that, in typical right wing fashion, you are making many assumptions based on what you believe the author should or shouldn’t have written as opposed to what the article actually says. By the way, you seem not to understand the entire point of my original comment. I said nothing about weather the guy actually shot at people. I simply pointed out that you made the claim that the author said nothing about F&R being shot at which is incorrect because he does so in the first paragraph, we’ve been over this. But by all means please feel free to continue defending this guys honor and missing the entire point of my comment.

      • Jim Bean

        Is it known whether the shots were fired at F&R? Of course it is. Was it know that the shots were NOT fired at F&R when the author suggested they might have been? Of course it was. Did I, at any point, say anything suggesting support for the shooter. Of course I didn’t. That was entirely a product of your malicious imagination.

      • PRIME79

        Jimmy, que pasa amigo? Check out the latest article here on FP about this story and bask in the glory of just how totally and completely wrong you were.

      • Haskell Nixon

        Aren’t you through making a dunce out of your self yet?

      • Haskell Nixon

        That is the problem with you tea party nuts. and to think the guy they arrested is one of your kind.

      • Cemetery Girl

        It states that the firefighters heard shots, possibly at them. It is realistic that the firefighters had this concern.

      • Beaugrand_RTMC

        “…a man called in to 9-1-1 claiming to be a member of the sovereign citizens movement, was armed with an AK-47 and was going around “shooting off propane tanks.” ”

        “…as Dallas Fire and Rescue first responders were headed to battle a grass fire in North Dallas, they reported hearing around 15 rounds fired, possibly at them, from an unidentified location.”

        Just another right-wing loonie who lacks the skillset to handle sharp objects, let alone having the sense of responsibility necessary for carrying firearms. What’s that? Skills and responsibility not required for carrying firearms? Ah, I see- so, just another right-wing loonie expressing his God-given right to act stupid with a gun. Got it.

  • Shane Patrick Irvine

    Ignorant, hateful rednecks with AK47s, ya gotta love em.

    • Branden Rolin Richard

      Who said he was a redneck?

      • Glenna Jones-Kachtik

        I don’t know that many regular citizens who would run amok waving an AR15 & complaining about the government. He may have not been a redneck, you are correct – but he definitely was one of the ones who feels that laws were not invented for him & that since he is a sovereign citizen that he doesn’t need to follow any. The assumption that he was a redneck was just too easy.

      • Branden Rolin Richard

        Agreed!

  • exmotogo

    And yet the police shot a black man holding a toy guy in a wal-mart?

    • william wilson

      Something wrong with that picture

  • [email protected]

    So a white fascist with an AK 47 is firing indiscriminately and he is arrested, but a teenager unarmed kneeling in the road with his hands in the air is shot six more times….. We want the name of the pig in Missouri and we are going to have it.

    • carfgar

      That pig will get doxxed, and since “law enforcement” won’t do anything, citizens will ensure his “career” comes to an abrupt end.

      Peacefully, of course.

      • [email protected]

        Oh , I concur, peacefully, of course. Real quietly

  • Libertarian Advocate

    Or then again, maybe he’s just a self-sacrificing lamb for the progressive movement calling himself a “Sovereign Citizen” so Obamaphate trolls like you can plaster astroturfed screeds on your Plouffian blog?

    • Margaret Brooks

      You’re on a page called Forward Progressives… a Liberal page… you are the troll idiot!

      • Libertarian Advocate

        Anger management would help you.

    • VoiceofReason

      Moron troll, go acquire some commonsense !

      • Libertarian Advocate

        Got that when I passed the New York and Connecticut bar exams.

      • Melanie Mills

        book smart is not the same as common sense.

      • Jeffrey Zamora

        And he obviously has neither. Probably not even a GED from a New York or Connecticut high school. Hey I’m an astronaut. See how easy it is to make up any false claim on a comment thread? Lol all these jokes like Libertarian Advocate and Strayaway and Jim Beam are just pathetically failed trolls. Not sure why people waste time even responding to their embarrassing nonsense anymore.

    • firsthand white

      A few words out of your stinking hole and u let the world u are a dumb ass illiterate pig! calling names? sounds like a child jealous and hateful? yes a black man in the White House is running all of u old ass and some young white ass brain zombies! stick to faux news

      • Libertarian Advocate

        Anger management would help you.

      • firsthand white

        And u my dumb ass friend need to get on the yellow brick road and find a working brain

      • Libertarian Advocate

        Anger management would REALLY help you.

      • firsthand white

        You win parrot boy sick of your repeats let what brain you have left rest up then start again because really u are getting on my nerves I might have to see a therapist please please no more replies

      • Libertarian Advocate

        Hahahahahaha…. The_rapist. Enjoy your time on the couch!

  • pwrserge

    So… Who died? Nobody? Me thinks your story might be more than a bit fictional.

    • jericho

      Riiiight, they just made it all up.

      • pwrserge

        Please tell me how someone with an AK fails to kill a single person.

      • jericho

        Poor shooting skills? Please tell me how every DFW TV station falsifies a story.

      • pwrserge

        Poor shooting skills? Really? If he was looking to kill people, people would be dead. You don’t miss with a rifle at short range. Probably some liberal got drunk, went on an anti-patriot rant, and decided to shoot up a neighborhood to make his point.

        Oh, I’m sure something happened. But it would not be the first time a TV station spun a story beyond any resemblance to the truth.

      • jericho

        “A liberal.”

        Riiiiight, you just go on telling yourself that, pwrserge. Or you could act like a human, you know, and express gratitude that nobody DID get killed.

      • pwrserge

        Yeah… Given the history or shooting rampages… It was almost certainly a liberal… Like Dorner, or Lanza, do I really need to list all the liberal nut jobs who lost it and started shooting up places?

      • jericho

        So yeah, I’ll be waiting for that list of yours.

      • pwrserge

        Yeah… Blatant copy-paste from a liberal propaganda site is blatant. We’re done here.

      • jericho

        No, it’s YOU that’s done here. I remember when every one of these incidents happened, dipsh!t.

      • pwrserge

        and none of those shooters were anything other than isolated racists. They are also a tiny minority comparing to liberals who shoot up schools and movie theaters.

      • jericho

        This is only part of the list, amigo.

        I’ll be waiting for that lengthy list of “liberals” who shoot up schools and movie theaters.

      • pwrserge

        Here’s some highlights…

        - Nidal Hasan – Ft Hood Shooter: Reg­istered Democrat and Muslim.
        - Aaron Alexis, Navy Yard shooter – black liberal/Obama voter
        - Seung-Hui Cho – Virginia Tech shooter: Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff, registered Democrat.
        - James Holmes – the “Dark Knight”/Colorado shooter: Registered Democrat, staff worker on the Obama campaign, #Occu­py guy,progressive liberal, hated Christians.
        - Amy Bishop, the rabid leftist, killed her colleagues in Alabama, Obama supporter.
        - Andrew J. Stack, flew plane into IRS building in Texas – Leftist Democrat
        - James J. Lee who was the “green activist”/ leftist took hostages at Discovery Channel – progressive liberal Democrat.
        - Jared Loughner, the Tucson shooter – Leftist, Marxist.
        - Ohio bomb plot derps were occupy Wall St leftists.
        - Harris and Klebold, the Columbine Shooters – families registered Democrats and progressive Leftists.
        - Bill Ayers, Weather Underground bomber – Leftist Democrat.
        - Lee Harvey Oswald, Socialist, Communist and Democrat – killed Kennedy…

      • jericho

        Hasan — mental case and asshole
        Alexis — mental case
        Cho — mental case
        Holmes — mental case
        Bishop — mental case
        Stack — asshole and libertarian (read his “manifesto,” stupid)
        Lee — mental case
        Loughner — clearly a mental case
        Harris and Klebold — not even old enough to vote

      • pwrserge

        Yes… Liberal mental cases… Oops tautology.

      • jericho

        Sure thing, hoss, you “list all the liberal nut jobs who lost it and started shooting up places” right after you read this:

        January 21, 2009
        On the day after Barack Obama is inaugurated as the nation’s first black president, Keith Luke of Brockton, Mass., is arrested after shooting three black immigrants from Cape Verde, killing two of them, as part of a racially motivated killing spree. The two murders are apparently only part of Luke’s plan to kill black, Latino and Jewish people. After being captured by police, he reportedly says he planned to go to an Orthodox synagogue near his home that night and “kill as many Jews as possible.” Police say Luke, a white man who apparently had no contact with white supremacists but spent the previous six months reading racist websites, told them he was “fighting for a dying race.” Luke also says he formed his racist views in large part after watching videos on Podblanc, a racist video-sharing website run by longtime white supremacist Craig Cobb. When he later appears in court for a hearing, Luke, charged with murder, kidnapping and aggravated rape, has etched a swastika into his own forehead, apparently using a jail razor. He is convicted of first-degree murder in May 2013 and sentenced to life in prison without parole.

        April 4, 2009
        Three Pittsburgh police officers — Paul Sciullo III, Stephen Mayhle and Eric Kelly — are fatally shot and a fourth, Timothy McManaway, is wounded after responding to a domestic dispute at the home of Richard Andrew Poplawski, who had posted his racist and anti-Semitic views on white supremacist websites. In one post, Poplawski talks about wanting a white supremacist tattoo. He also reportedly tells a friend that America is controlled by a cabal of Jews, that U.S. troops may soon be used against American citizens, and that he fears a ban on guns is coming. Poplawski later allegedly tells investigators that he fired extra bullets into the bodies of two of the officers “just to make sure they were dead” and says he “thought I got that one, too” when told that the fourth officer survived. More law enforcement officers are killed during the incident than in any other single act of violence by a domestic political extremist since the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. Poplawski is convicted of three counts of first-degree murder in 2011 and sentenced to death.

        April 25, 2009
        Joshua Cartwright, a Florida National Guardsman, allegedly shoots to death two Okaloosa County, Fla., sheriff’s deputies — Burt Lopez and Warren “Skip” York — at a gun range as the officers attempt to arrest Cartwright on domestic violence charges. After fleeing the scene, Cartwright is fatally shot during a gun battle with pursuing officers. Cartwright’s wife later tells investigators that her husband was “severely disturbed” that Barack Obama has been elected president. He also reportedly believed the U.S. government was conspiring against him. The sheriff tells reporters that Cartwright had been interested in joining a militia group.

        May 31, 2009
        Scott Roeder, an anti-abortion extremist who was involved with the antigovernment “freemen” movement in the 1990s, allegedly shoots to death Kansas late-term abortion provider George Tiller as the doctor is serving as an usher in his Wichita church. Adherents of “freemen” ideology claim they are “sovereign citizens” not subject to federal and other laws, and often form their own “common law” courts and issue their own license plates. It was one of those homemade plates that led Topeka police to stop Roeder in April 1996, when a search of his trunk revealed a pound of gunpowder, a 9-volt battery wired to a switch, blasting caps and ammunition. A prosecutor in that case called Roeder a “substantial threat to public safety,” citing Roeder’s refusal to acknowledge the court’s authority. But his conviction in the 1996 case is ultimately overturned. In the Tiller case, Roeder is convicted of first-degree murder in January 2010 and is sentenced to life in prison.

        June 10, 2009
        Eighty-eight-year-old James von Brunn, a longtime neo-Nazi, walks up to the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum and shoots to death security guard Stephen Johns before he is himself shot and critically wounded by other officers. Von Brunn, who earlier served six years in connection with his 1981 attempt to kidnap the members of the Federal Reserve Board at the point of a sawed-off shotgun, has been active in the white supremacist movement for more than four decades. In the early 1970s, he worked at the Holocaust-denying Noontide Press, and in subsequent decades, he comes to know many of the key leaders of the radical right. A search of von Brunn’s car after the museum attack turns up a list of other apparent targets, including the White House, the Capitol, the National Cathedral and The Washington Post. A note allegedly left by von Brunn in his car reads: “You want my weapons; this is how you’ll get them … the Holocaust is a lie … Obama was created by Jews. Obama does what his Jew owners tell him to do. Jews captured America’s money. Jews control the mass media.” Von Brunn is charged with murder but dies in 2010 while awaiting trial.

        June 12, 2009
        Shawna Forde — the executive director of Minutemen American Defense (MAD), an anti-immigrant vigilante group that conducts “citizen patrols” on the Arizona-Mexico border — is charged with two counts of first-degree murder for her role in the slayings of a Latino man and his 9-year-old daughter in Arivaca, Ariz. Forde orchestrated the May 30 home invasion because she believed the man was a narcotics trafficker and wanted to steal drugs and cash to fund her group. Authorities say the murders, including the killing of the child, were part of the plan. Also arrested and charged with murder are the alleged triggerman, MAD Operations Director Jason Eugene “Gunny” Bush, and Albert Robert Gaxiola, 42, a local member of MAD. Authorities say that Bush had ties to the neo-Nazi Aryan Nations in Idaho, and that Forde has spoken of recruiting its members. Forde is sentenced to death in February 2011, and Bush is sentenced to death in April 2011. Gaxiola is sentenced to life in prison.

        June 25, 2009
        Longtime white supremacist Dennis Mahon and his brother Daniel are indicted in Arizona in connection with a mail bomb sent in 2004 to a diversity office in Scottsdale that injured three people. Mahon, formerly tied to the neo-Nazi White Aryan Resistance (WAR) group, allegedly left a phone message at the office saying that “the White Aryan Resistance is growing in Scottsdale. There’s a few white people who are standing up.” In a related raid, agents search the Indiana home of Tom Metzger, founder of WAR, but he is not arrested. On the same day, white supremacist Robert Joos is arrested in rural Missouri, apparently because phone records show that Dennis Mahon’s first call after the mail bombing was to Joos’ cell phone. Joos is charged with being a felon in possession of firearms and is sentenced in May 2010 to 6½ years in prison. Dennis Mahon is found guilty of three bombing charges in February 2012. He is sentenced to 40 years in prison. Daniel Mahon is acquitted of the one charge against him.

        Oct. 28, 2009
        Luqman Ameen Abdullah, identified by authorities as a member of a black Muslim group hoping to create an Islamic state within U.S. borders, is shot dead at a warehouse in Dearborn, Mich., after he fires at FBI agents trying to arrest him on conspiracy and weapons charges. The FBI says Abdulla encouraged violence against the United States, adding that 10 other group members are being sought.

        Feb. 18, 2010
        Joseph Andrew Stack, who had earlier attended meetings of radical anti-tax groups in California, sets fire to his own house and then flies his single-engine plane into an Austin, Texas, building housing IRS offices. Stack and an IRS manager are killed, and 13 others are injured. Stack leaves a long online rant about the IRS and the tax code, politicians and corporations.

        March 25, 2010
        A man later identified as Brody James Whitaker opens fire on two Florida state troopers during a routine traffic stop on I-75 in Sumter County. Whitaker flees, crashing his vehicle and continuing on foot. He is arrested two weeks later in Connecticut, where he challenges the authority of a judge and declares himself a “sovereign,” not American, citizen. Sovereigns typically believe that police have no right to regulate road travel. Whitaker is later extradited to Florida to face charges of assaulting and fleeing from a police officer. He is sentenced to life in prison in January 2012.

        March 27-28, 2010
        Nine members of the Hutaree Militia are arrested in raids in Michigan, Ohio and Indiana, and are charged with seditious conspiracy and attempted use of weapons of mass destruction. The group, whose website said it was preparing for the imminent arrival of the anti-Christ, allegedly planned to murder a Michigan police officer, then use bombs and homemade missiles to kill other officers attending the funeral, all in a bid to set off a war with the government. Joshua Clough pleads guilty to a weapons charge in December 2011. A federal judge dismisses charges against seven members of the group during a trial in March 2012, saying their hatred of law enforcement did not amount to a conspiracy. Militia leader David Stone and his son Joshua Stone plead guilty to gun charges two days after the trial. In August 2012, a federal judge chooses not to send the Stones back to prison. They are each fined $100 and placed on two years’ supervision. Another member, Jacob Ward, is acquitted in 2012.

        April 15, 2010
        Matthew Fairfield, who is president of a local chapter of an antigovernment “Patriot” organization called the Oath Keepers, is indicted on 28 explosives charges, 25 counts of receiving stolen property and one count of possessing criminal tools. Authorities searching his home discover a napalm bomb built by Fairfield, along with a computer carrying child pornography. Fairfield pleads guilty to explosives charges and is sentenced in May 2011 to 16 years. In September 2011, four years are added for obstruction of justice, to run concurrently with the longer sentence. Prosecutors drop the child pornography charges in exchange for Fairfield’s guilty plea to obstruction.

        April 30, 2010
        Darren Huff, an Oath Keeper from Georgia, is arrested and charged with planning the armed takeover of a Madisonville, Tenn., courthouse and “arrest” of 24 local, state and federal officials. Authorities say Huff was angry about the April 1 arrest there of Walter Francis Fitzpatrick III, a leader of the far-right American Grand Jury movement that seeks to have grand juries indict President Obama for treason. Several others in the antigovernment “Patriot” movement accuse Huff of white supremacist and anti-Semitic attitudes in Internet postings. He is sentenced in May 2012 to four years in federal prison.

        June 8, 2014
        Jerad Miller, 31, and his wife, Amanda, 22, enter a pizza restaurant in Las Vegas, Nev., where two police officers are eating lunch. Jerad Miller fatally shoots officer Igor Soldo, 31. As his partner, Alyn Beck, 41, tries to react, Miller shoots him in the throat, then both Millers shoot Beck several times. The pair leave a swastika and a Gadsden flag on Beck’s body. The yellow flag, a symbol used by the antigovernment “Patriot” movement, features a coiled snake with the words “Don’t Tread On Me.” On Soldo’s body, they place a note: “This is the start of the revolution.” The couple leave the restaurant and walk to a nearby Walmart store, where Amanda Miller shoots and kills Joseph Wilcox, 31, before the Millers barricade themselves in the back of the store. Jerad is shot to death by police, and Amanda kills herself. The couple held strong antigovernment views. Jerad Miller’s Facebook page contained calls to impeach President Obama as well as statements about conspiracy theories popular among Patriot groups. Weeks earlier, the pair had been present at the Cliven Bundy ranch in Nevada, where militias had gathered in an armed standoff with the federal Bureau of Land Management over a grazing fee dispute. The Millers perceived law enforcement as “oppressors” and reportedly told neighbors they planned to kill police officers.

      • jericho

        May 10, 2010
        Sandlin Matthew Smith detonates a pipe bomb at a rear entrance to a mosque in Jacksonville, Fla., while worshippers are inside. Armed only with a fuzzy videotape, authorities only identify Smith, based on talking to witnesses to whom he admits the attack, a year later. They track Smith, a bus driver from Julington Creek, Fla., to a campsite near Fairview, Okla., where he resists arrest with a gun and is killed. A search of Smith’s two homes turns up explosive materials.

        May 20, 2010
        A father and son team of “sovereign citizens” who believe police have no right to regulate road travel murder West Memphis, Ark., police officers Robert Brandon Paudert, 39, and Thomas William “Bill” Evans, 38, during a routine traffic stop on an I-40 exit ramp. The incident begins when Jerry Kane, 45, starts to argue with the officers over his bogus vehicle paperwork and then pushes Evans into a roadside ditch. Kane’s 16-year-old son then kills both officers with an AK-47 before the pair flees. Authorities catch up with them about 45 minutes later. In the ensuing shootout, two more officers are badly wounded and both Kanes are killed. The pair had been traveling the country offering seminars in bogus sovereign techniques for avoiding foreclosure and related matters.

        July 18, 2010
        An unemployed parolee with two bank robbery convictions, apparently enraged at liberals and what he sees as the “left-wing agenda” of Congress, allegedly opens fire on California Highway Patrol troopers who pull him over in Oakland. No one is killed, but two troopers are slightly injured and Byron Williams is shot in the arms and legs. Williams allegedly later tells authorities that he was on his way to attack offices of the American Civil Liberties Union and the Tides Foundation, a liberal organization that, although little known to most Americans, has been repeatedly pilloried on air by Fox News host Glenn Beck. In March 2014, a jury convicts Williams of four counts of premeditated attempted murder of a peace officer and three counts of being a felon in possession of a firearm.

        July 21, 2010
        Attorney Todd Getgen is shot to death at a gun range in Cumberland County, Penn., and his weapon, a silenced AR-15 rifle, is stolen. Authorities arrest prison guard Raymond Peake nine days later, saying Peake was trying to accumulate weapons for an unnamed organization that intended to overthrow the government. Fellow prison guard Thomas Tuso is also arrested for allegedly helping Peake hide Getgen’s custom-built weapon. Peake is sentenced in 2012 to life in prison. Tuso is sentenced in 2013 to 11 to 23 months in prison.

        August 30, 2010
        White supremacist Wayde Lynn Kurt is arrested in Spokane, Wash., on federal gun and forgery charges. Authorities later release audio recordings to support their allegation that he was planning a terrorist attack he called his “final solution,” which included killing President Obama. Wayde, a convicted felon who is associated with neo-Nazis and Odinists, is sentenced in May 2012 to 13 years in prison on firearms and false identification convictions after federal prosecutors sought and received a “terrorism enhancement” to his sentence.

        Sept. 2, 2010
        A pipe bomb is thrown through the window of a closed Planned Parenthood clinic in Madera, Calif., along with a note that reads, “Murder our children? We have a ‘choice’ too.” The note is signed ANB, apparently short for the American Nationalist Brotherhood. Six months later, law enforcement officials arrest school bus driver Donny Eugene Mower, who allegedly also threatened a local Islamic Center and has the word “Peckerwood,” a reference to a white supremacist gang, tattooed on his chest. Mower reportedly confesses to the attack and pleads guilty to arson, damaging religious property and violating the Freedom of Access to Clinics Act. He is sentenced in January 2012 to five years in prison and three years of supervised release. He must also pay $26,000 in restitution.

        Sept. 7, 2010
        The FBI arrests 26-year-old Justin Carl Moose, a self-described “freedom fighter” and “Christian counterpart to Osama bin Laden,” for allegedly planning to blow up a North Carolina abortion clinic. After earlier receiving tips that Moose was posting threats of violence against abortion providers and information about explosives on his Facebook page, the FBI set up a sting operation to capture him. Moose later pleads guilty to distributing information on manufacturing and use of an explosive and is sentenced to 30 months in prison. He is released in November 2012.

        Sept. 19, 2010
        An antigovernment extremist with ties to the separatist Republic of Texas organization opens fire on an oil company worker and two sheriff’s deputies who show up at his property in West Odessa, Texas, to access an oil well to which the company has rights. Victor White, 55, wounds all three men before they retreat, and a 22-hour standoff follows. White eventually surrenders and is charged with three counts of attempted capital murder of a peace officer, one count of attempted capital murder, and aggravated assault. He is sentenced to life in prison in 2012.

        Jan. 14, 2011
        Federal agents in Arizona arrest Jeffery Harbin, a member of the neo-Nazi National Socialist Movement, for allegedly building homemade grenades and pipe bombs that he apparently intended to supply to anti-immigrant groups patrolling the Mexican border. A prosecutor says that Harbin constructed the devices, using model rocket engines and aluminum power, “in such a way as to maximize human carnage.” Harbin is indicted on two counts of possessing a destructive device and a third of transporting destructive devices. Harbin is the son of Jerry Harbin, a Phoenix-area activist with past ties to the neo-Nazi National Alliance and the racist Council of Conservative Citizens. In September 2011, Jeffery Harbin pleads guilty to making and transporting bombs in a plea bargain and is sentenced to two years in prison.

        Jan. 17, 2011
        Bomb technicians defuse a sophisticated improvised explosive device (IED) found in a backpack along the Spokane, Wash., route of a Martin Luther King Jr. Day parade with 1,500 marchers. Using forensic clues found in the dismantled bomb, officials about two months later identify and arrest Kevin William Harpham, a longtime neo-Nazi. Harpham had posted more than 1,000 messages to the neo-Nazi Vanguard News Network since 2004, when he was a member of the neo-Nazi National Alliance. Harpham also had contributed to the white supremacist Aryan Alternative newspaper. He is indicted on one count of attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction and one count of possessing an IED. Later, federal hate crime charges are added. In December 2011, Harpham was sentenced to 32 years after pleading guilty to attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction and placing that bomb to carry out a hate crime.

        March 10, 2011
        Six members of the antigovernment Alaska Peacemakers Militia, including its leader, Francis Schaeffer Cox, 28, are arrested and charged with plotting to kill or kidnap state troopers and a Fairbanks judge. The group already has a large cache of weapons, including a .50-caliber machine gun, grenades and a grenade launcher. Cox earlier identified himself as a “sovereign citizen.” Cox is convicted in June 2012 on nine counts, including conspiring to kill a judge and law enforcement officials. He is sentenced in January 2013 to almost 26 years in federal prison. Lonnie Vernon, 56, and his wife, Karen, 66, plead guilty in August to charges they plotted to kill a federal judge and an IRS agent involved in a tax case against them. The Vernons are also sentenced in January 2013. Lonnie receives almost 25 years in federal prison while his wife receives 12 years. Another member, Coleman Barney, 38, is found guilty of weapons charges and sentenced in September 2012 to five years in federal prison.

        May 14, 2011
        Three masked men break into the Madrasah Islamiah, an Islamic center in Houston, and douse prayer rugs with gasoline in an apparent attempt to burn the center down. Images of the men are captured on surveillance cameras, but they are not identified. The fire is put out before doing major damage.

        May 25, 2011
        A man with a long history of menacing abortion clinics is arrested on weapons charges after he accidentally shoots a pistol through the door of a Madison, Wis., motel room. Ralph Lang, 63, tells police he planned to kill a doctor and workers at a nearby Planned Parenthood clinic. Lang is sentenced to 10 years in prison in 2013.

        August 24, 2011
        Cody Seth Crawford, 24, is arrested on federal charges accusing him of the Nov. 28, 2010, arson of the Salman Alfarisi Islamic Center in Corvallis, Ore. The firebombing occurred two days after a former Oregon State University student was arrested in a plot to detonate a car bomb during Portland’s annual tree-lighting. Crawford had ranted about Muslims and described himself as a Christian warrior after the arson. In early 2014, Crawford was still awaiting trial.

        October 5, 2011
        White supremacist ex-convict David “Joey” Pedersen, 31, and his girlfriend, Holly Ann Grigsby, 24, are arrested in California after a murderous rampage in three states. Grigsby tells police that she and Pedersen “were on their way to Sacramento to kill more Jews.” The first killed were Pedersen’s father and stepmother in Everett, Wash. Another man was killed in Lafayette, Ore., because the pair thought he was Jewish. An African-American man was found shot to death in Eureka, Calif. Pederson earlier served time for threatening to kill the federal judge who handled the Ruby Ridge case of white separatist Randy Weaver. Pederson pleads guilty in March 2012 to killing his father and stepmother, and receives two life sentences. He still faces federal charges in all four murders. Grigsby pleads not guilty and awaits trial.

        November 1, 2011
        Four members of an unnamed North Georgia militia are arrested in an alleged plot to bomb federal buildings, attack Atlanta and other cities with deadly ricin, and murder law enforcement officials. The men – Frederick Thomas, 73, Samuel J. Crump, 68, Dan Roberts, 67, and Ray H. Adams, 65 – allegedly discussed “taking out” a list of officials to “make the country right again” and scouted buildings in Atlanta to bomb. Authorities say the plot was inspired by an online novel, Absolved, written by longtime Alabama militiaman Mike Vanderboegh. Thomas, the accused ringleader, and Roberts plead guilty in April 2012 to charges of conspiring to possess explosives and firearms. Each is sentenced in August 2012 to five years in federal prison for conspiring to obtain an unregistered explosive device. Crump and Adams are convicted in January 2014 of conspiring to produce a toxic agent to poison government officials.

        December 10, 2011
        Four Army soldiers at Fort Stewart, Ga., later identified as members of the terror group Forever Enduring, Always Ready (FEAR), are arrested in the murder of 19-year-old former soldier and FEAR member Michael Roark and his 17-year-old girlfriend, Tiffany York. The two were apparently killed because FEAR leader Isaac Aguigui, 22, feared Roark would talk about the group’s plans to take over the Army base, overthrow the government, assassinate a future president, and blow up a dam and poison the apple crop in the state of Washington. Pfc. Aguigui funded the group, buying $87,000 in weapons and a large amount of drugs with a $500,000 insurance payment he received after the death of his pregnant wife. Pfc. Michael Burnett pleads guilty and agrees to testify against his FEAR comrades. In 2012, seven more people are arrested in connection with FEAR’s activities. In April 2013, the Army charges Aguigui with killing his wife, whose death was initially ruled accidental, and their unborn child. In July 2013, Aguigui pleads guilty in the murders of York and Roark, and is sentenced to life in prison. Two other soldiers, Pvt. Christopher Salmon and Sgt. Anthony Peden, are expected to be tried in the double murder in 2014. A court martial for Aguigui in his family’s death was also expected.

        April 17, 2012
        Joseph Benjamin Thomas and Samuel James Johnson of Mendota Heights, Minn., are indicted on federal weapons and drug charges after a probe of their alleged plans to create an “Aryan Liberation Movement” and attack minorities, leftists and government officials. Prosecutors say Thomas planned to attack the Mexican consulate in St. Paul with a truck loaded with flaming barrels of oil and gasoline. Johnson, a former leader of the neo-Nazi National Socialist Movement with prior convictions for armed crimes, was scouting for a training compound in Illinois or Minnesota and seeking to recruit others into his group, court papers say. In the end, Johnson pleads guilty in 2012 to being a felon in possession of weapons and is sentenced to 15 years in prison. Thomas pleads to intent to distribute 50 grams of methamphetamine. In April 2013, he is sentenced to 10 years in prison.

        June 17, 2012
        Anson Chi, 33, is seriously injured when he detonates a bomb in an effort to destroy an Atmos Energy natural gas pipeline in Plano, Texas. Chi is an avid tax protester who has posted numerous videos, statements and rants on the Internet about the alleged evils of the Federal Reserve, the IRS, President Obama and the government. He had been a fugitive since 2009, when he violated probation in California on a weapons charge. Chi pleads guilty in 2013 to possessing an unregistered explosive and malicious use of an explosive, and is sentenced to 22 years in prison.

        August 5, 2012
        Neo-Nazi skinhead Wade Michael Page, 40, opens fire with a 9 mm handgun at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wis., killing six and critically wounding three, including a police officer. Wounded by police, Page then shoots and kills himself at the scene. A U.S. Army veteran who was discharged in 1998 for “patterns of misconduct,” Page was a “patched” member of the Northern Hammerskins, a chapter of the Hammerskin Nation, a violent, racist skinhead group. He was also a fixture on the white power music scene who played in the band End Apathy and several others.

        August 16, 2012
        Seven people with ties to the antigovernment “sovereign citizens” movement allegedly ambush and murder Louisiana sheriff’s deputies Brandon Nielsen, 34, and Jeremy Triche, 27. The attack comes in a trailer park near New Orleans, where the deputies pursued suspects following the shooting and wounding of another deputy working as an off-duty security guard at an oil refinery. Those arrested include the group’s leader, Terry Lyn Smith, 44, Smith’s wife, Chanel Skains, and his sons, Derrik Smith and Brian Smith. Others are Brittany Keith, Kyle David Joekel and Teniecha Bright. Brian Smith is charged with first-degree murder and the others with related charges. The group, which traveled the country doing construction work, possess a stockpile of weapons. Its members have outstanding warrants in Nebraska, Tennessee and Louisiana.

        September 4, 2012
        Christopher Lacy, 36, shoots California Highway Patrol officer Kenyon Youngstrom at close range after the officer stops Lacy’s vehicle, which had an obstructed license plate, on I-680 near Alamo. Lacy is fatally shot by another trooper, and Youngstrom dies the next day. An investigation into Lacy’s background reveals a large amount of antigovernment “sovereign citizens” literature on several computers at his home.

        December 21, 2012
        FBI agents arrest Richard Schmidt, the owner of a sporting goods store in Bowling Green, Ohio, for trafficking in counterfeit goods and discover a cache of 18 weapons in his home and store, including AR-15 assault rifles, 9 mm and Sig Sauer pistols and shotguns, and more than 40,000 rounds of ammunition. Schmidt is unable to own the weapons legally because he is a felon who served 13 years for murdering a Latino man and wounding two others in a 1989 traffic dispute. Officials also find evidence of Schmidt’s neo-Nazi views, including video and Nazi paraphernalia, and the Anti-Defamation League identifies him as a longtime member of the neo-Nazi National Alliance. Authorities also discover a notebook they say Schmidt was using to track Detroit-area Jewish and African-American leaders, apparently as a prelude to some kind of attack. Schmidt is indicted in Toledo in January 2013 on three federal counts of possessing illegal firearms, body armor and ammunition, and one count of trafficking in counterfeit goods. He pleads guilty in July 2013 to violating federal firearms laws and is sentenced in December to nearly six years in prison.

        June 18, 2013
        Glendon Scott Crawford, 49, and Eric J. Feight, 54, are arrested in upstate New York after a yearlong investigation and charged with conspiracy to provide material support to terrorists for use of a weapon of mass destruction. Crawford is a member of the United Northern and Southern Knights of the Ku Klux Klan and an industrial mechanic with General Electric; Feight is an outside contractor for GE with engineering skills. Officials say the two men, who call themselves “The Guild,” are well along the way toward building a truck-borne radiation weapon could be turned on remotely and that they hoped to use in the mass murder of Muslims and others. Crawford, who was said to be angry at President Obama, allegedly referred to the device as “Hiroshima on a light switch.” The men are arrested after unsuccessfully seeking funding from Jewish groups and the Loyal White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. In January 2014, Crawford is indicted for conspiring to use a weapon of mass destruction and related charges, while his alleged accomplice is reportedly in talks about a plea agreement that would involve testifying against Crawford.

        Aug. 18, 2013
        David Allen Brutsche, 42, and a woman described as Brutsche’s roommate, Devon Campbell Newman, 67, are arrested in Las Vegas after a months-long investigation into an alleged plot to kidnap and execute police officers. Both Brutsche, a convicted felon and registered sex offender, and Newman consider themselves “sovereign citizens” and have conducted recruiting seminars on sovereign ideology, officials say. Authorities say they intended to kidnap a police officer at random, detain the officer in a crude jail in a vacant house, “try” the officer in a “common-law” court, then execute the officer. The two are charged with felony conspiracy to commit murder, conspiracy to commit kidnapping, and attempted kidnapping. Newman pleads guilty in December 2013 to conspiracy to commit false imprisonment, a misdemeanor, and is sentenced to a year of probation and ordered to have no contact with Brutsche. Brutsche, who renounces sovereign citizen ideology during court proceedings, pleads guilty in February 2014 to conspiracy to kidnap police officers and receives five years’ probation. In a separate case involving failure to register as a sex offender, he receives 188 days in jail in addition to time served.

        March 27, 2014
        Robert James Talbot Jr., 38, is arrested in Katy, Texas, by FBI agents who say he was about to rob an armored car. He is alleged to have been plotting to use C-4 explosives and weapons to rob banks and armored cars, blow up government buildings and mosques, and kill police officers. Prosecutors say he is behind a Facebook page called “American Insurgent Movement,” on which he posted antigovernment screeds, called for violence against public officials, and ranted about Muslims and LGBT people. He used the page to attempt to persuade others to join his cause. Talbot faces federal charges of attempted interference with commerce by robbery, solicitation to commit a crime of violence and possession of an explosive material. The FBI opened an investigation into his activities in August 2013 after learning of his alleged desire to recruit others into terrorist activities.

        April 13, 2014
        Frazier Glenn Miller (aka Frazier Glenn Cross), 73, a longtime racist and anti-Semite, is arrested after a gunman opens fire at a Jewish community center and a Jewish retirement community in Overland Park, Kansas, a suburb of Kansas City. Three people are killed, including a 14-year-old Eagle Scout and his grandfather. Miller, a retired Army veteran and Green Beret, is the founder and former leader of the Carolina Knights of the Ku Klux Klan and the White Patriot Party, which he ran as paramilitary organizations in the 1980s. He was successfully sued by the SPLC for operating an illegal paramilitary organization and for using intimidation tactics against African Americans. Miller went underground in 1987 after he violated the court settlement and was convicted on criminal contempt charges. He was caught and served three years in federal prison on weapons charges in connection with plans to commit robberies and assassinate SPLC founder Morris Dees. As part of a plea deal, he testified against other Klan members in a 1988 sedition trial.

      • Glenna Jones-Kachtik

        Well, I don’t think Timothy McVeigh was a liberal & he managed to bomb the federal building…Why do YOU feel the need to just divide everyone up????

      • pwrserge

        Because it’s not conservatives that keep taking my money to give to worthless scumbags or dictating to me how I can practice my religion or trying to ban my guns. Funny that.

        McVeigh attacked a legitimate military target. While the collateral damage might be regrettable, unlike liberals that randomly shoot up theaters full of civilians, he attacked the field office of an agency directly responsible for the massacre of dozens of American citizens who were not guilty of any crime.

        But hey… The only person who’s “dividing” anyone is your lord and master squatting in the White House. He raises my taxes, persecutes my religion, harasses my political groups, and tries to take my guns. Is it a wonder why we’re pissed? If Bush had done half as much to liberals as Obama has done to conservatives, you clowns would have been rioting every day.

      • jericho

        Oh, poor you. Your life must really suck after all that, you poor put-upon thing.

        The fact that you think that McVeigh “attacked a legitimate military target” tells everyone everything they need to know about you, darling. I’m embarrassed and ashamed at having to share this country with the likes of you.

      • pwrserge

        Go read up on the laws and customs of war. The FBI is most certainly a legitimate military target. This is especially true when they burned several dozen Americans to death in their own homes.

        I am ashamed to share the planet with sheep like you. Please get off.

      • Jeffrey Zamora

        Come on this pwrserge guy is obviously a troll, why even waste time arguing no substance whatsoever from him. Hell he made a joke of himself the moment he stated the conservatives are not the ones trying to dictate religion. Lol the guy is a phony and a troll, let him live in his own lonely bubble of denial.

      • Glenna Jones-Kachtik

        So, the Federal Building was a legitimate military target? Who was at war? He bombed a building full of kids…collateral damage???? Guess it was OK because they were all liberal kids, right?
        Liberals aren’t the ones favoring open carry & we aren’t the ones bombing things or shooting up theaters either. No one – including Obama – wants your stupid guns; however given your mind set – I think you are dangerous & probably shouldn’t have one…but that’s just me. If the White House had wanted anyone’s guns, they would have begun taking them by now….no that is just what the NRA wants you to think & you can’t think critically – so you fell for it.
        As far as executive orders & all, Bush signed more of them that Obama ever thought of signing…we didn’t riot then because we understood that what HE was doing WE could also do.

      • pwrserge

        So the gun confections in NYC, CA, and CT are not happening? Really? At what point did I mention executive orders? I was talking about the assault weapon ban that caused King Barry to throw a hissy fit when it failed in the Senate. A ban that would have rendered all “assault weapons” illegal to own even if they were previously purchased legally. In violation of both the fifth and second amendment of the CotUS.

        The federal building was a legitimate target because it was the HQ for a paramilitary organization. Under the laws and customs of war, such HQs are legitimate targets of war regardless of other things in vicinity. The fact that they housed kids in the same building is no different that Hamas hiding missile launchers in schools and that expecting Israel not to hit them when they open fire. I don’t agree with McVeighs methods, and the collateral damage is regrettable, but don’t forget that he was responding to the massacre of several dozen men, women, and children perpetrated by units based in that office. Or did you already forget how the FBI burned Waco to the ground over a single “illegal” firearm?

        Obama TRIED to get a law passed and came within a few votes of getting it out of the Senate. A law that is blatantly unconstitutional on its face. He sent a company of light infantry in BLM uniforms to collect a TAX BILL. When are you going to wake up and smell the tyranny? Or are you deaf to the fact that even as you read this, militarized police are firing on protestors in MS? The same militarized police that just got King Barry’s blessing in a public address. The same police that detained journalists without warrants and fired on news vans.

        But please… Tell me more about how this is all Bush’s fault. Tell me more about how the left jackboot is any better than the right one.

        My rights are non-negotiable. If you don’t like that. Tough. Try to take them and you will understand why the 2nd amendment exists. Here’s a hit. It has nothing to do with shooting deer and everything to do with shooting tyrannical thugs.

      • Glenna Jones-Kachtik

        There was an assault weapons ban in place for a LONG time. It was written by the NRA. Bush let it expire & that was sad because it started this whole 2nd amendment rights mess rolling. For years after Brady was shot, no one could own an assault rifle. But never let facts get in your way. Your rights are non-negotiable; but the rights to life, liberty & pursuit of happiness of others counts too. I am not sure you know who the tyrannical thugs are…So you think it is OK to just shoot anyone who gets in your way – run over the top of them? You seem pretty dangerous to me & it doesn’t matter if you are conservative or liberal or what. If you talk about human life (with an opinion other than yours) as expendable then I feel really sorry for you.
        Waco was bad & the Branch Dividian compound was horrible…but David Koresh started the fires – not the FBI.

      • pwrserge

        “David Koresh started the fires – not the FBI”… according to the FBI. Yeah… Because they could be trusted to investigate themselves after they murdered witnesses, destroyed evidence, and spend years slandering the victims.

        The assault weapon ban was largely cosmetic and didn’t really ban anything. On top of that, previously owned firearms that violated the ban were still legal to own and transfer. It was written so that panty twisting cowards like you would sit down and shut up because the government “did something” even though “assault weapons” are practically never used in crime and their absence did nothing to stop mass shootings. (Oh, and it was only in place for 10 years.) and thus, not worth the effort of spending a decade fighting it in federal court.

        But please… tell me how a flash hider, bayonet lug, or pistol grip makes a gun more effective.

        Nobody has a “right” to “life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness”, those are not rights protected explicitly by our Constitution. If you want to bring in the document that declares those rights, I would point our right to abolish a government that oppresses us as expressly stated in that same document.

      • Glenna Jones-Kachtik

        So. according to you – your 25nd amendment rights include the right to own any kind of weapon whatsoever at all? Is there anything you would put off limits to civilians? Flame Throwers? Bombs? Grenades? Tanks? I mean, after all, when the tyrannical government comes calling – as you are so sure it will – you gotta have everything at your disposal, right? It matters not to you that innocent men, women & children; the elderly & the disabled might get caught up & die in your one man (or 100 man) war against what you consider tyranny. All collateral damage, right? When things become as you want them to be, what will you find that is not satisfactory next? Because there ALWAYS has to be something, right?

      • pwrserge

        Yes… The 2nd amendment protects the right to own any weapon of my choosing. If I can afford it, I should be able to own it. (For the record, all four of your examples are already perfectly legal to own.)

        As for wars and collateral damage… Who fired the first shot? Me thinks it was why FBI at Waco. All people want is to be left alone. Don’t tell me how to run my business, how to worship my god, or how to live my life. Is that really so much to ask? That we’re not taxed so heavily that half our income goes to some nebulous government? That we’re not required to modify our business at gun point because people voluntarily work for me under agreements you find unfair? That our religious practices are not monitored for “political” arguments even though other religions use their sermons to recruit actual terrorists?

      • Glenna Jones-Kachtik

        Really doesn’t matter who fires the first shot…people are dead. Women, children, the elderly, the innocent they are dead no matter who is the aggressor or those on the receiving end. We invade someone’s country; it makes no difference if it is to take down a dictator or to destabilize something; there are casualties. Those surviving might look upon us as the heroes we think we are or they could look at us as the conquering horde. It all depends upon your POV at the time it happens.
        The constitution provided for some measure of means to fund for the common good. The roads, the schools, the hospitals, the infrastructure – the things that are supposed to be common to all… In the 50s businesses & the rich were taxed about 90+% & there weren’t loopholes or offshore accounts. No one outsourced. By & large everyone did well & the economy flourished. But Reagan decided that this tax was not good. He gave a bunch of tax breaks. The economy suffered. Clinton returned it to 32-33% & the rich/corporations whined & cried & said it was awful. The truth is that they trot out that line about the highest corporate taxes in the world but it isn’t true. The other thing is that one reason YOUR taxes are so high is because the corporations & the wealthy really DON’T pay their fair share.
        You keep screaming about the government & how horrible it is – one reason it is horrible & non effective is because the GOP/TP members of Congress keep trying to make it fail!
        The facts are that you are free (especially in TX) to walk the streets with all your assault rifles & war weaponry in full view of the public. You see it as your 2nd Amendment rights. The rest of us – who don’t have a clue about your “good guy” or “bad guy” status are told that we are just supposed to become more comfortable with it because YOU have these rights. These aren’t NEW rights. They didn’t just fall out of the sky yesterday…they have always been there in TX – so why now? Why do you now feel the need to carry your gun to the grocery store or Target or into a restaurant? Doesn’t make sense to me. You condone these guys running through neighborhoods shooting at their neighbors & you make heroes out of them because they are supposedly “standing up to the MAN.” Sorry, if you are 1 person running around & you are claiming you are a soverign nation, you are going to be arrested.

      • pwrserge

        Well… Looks like you failed in basic history as well as economics.

        The reason the 50s tax rates worked was because there was no place to outsource TO. The rest of the planet was still recovering from getting bombed to rubble a decade before. (or did you sleep through the history of 1939-1945?) In the 21st century companies have other options that submitting to a government that wants to tax their profits out of existence. Welcome to the global village.

        As for your “common good” argument. It’s absurd on its face. Less than 10% of the federal budget goes to such programs. The majority is spent on handouts of one form or another to buy votes for career politicians or grossly overfunded “strategic defense” projects. So… Can I have the other 90% of my taxes back? Roads and infrastructure existed well before modern taxation levels and will exist without them.

        As for Texas… You need to go out and read WHY Open Carry Texas is running their demonstrations. It is all about a Jim Crow era law that forbids open carry of handguns in public, yet allows open carry of long guns. Do you REALLY think anybody wants to lug around a 10 lb block of metal and plastic? Did you notice how these protests don’t take place in states that allow open carry of handguns?

        Your final argument is a refuge in your own paranoia. You not knowing who the “bad guys” are is just a refuge in the delusional fantasy that shootings by people other than career criminals are in any way common. In fact, the FBI tracks all homicides committed and when they are committed with firearms, the overwhelming majority of the time, they are committed by people who should still be in jail for their criminal activities. (Such as drug distribution, assault, or robbery.) The chances of a person randomly shooting people when they don’t have a history of criminality is far lower than the chances of a police officer doing the same.

        To draw a parallel, we don’t know who rolls around drunk in their 500hp death machine, but we don’t regulate car ownership to anywhere near the same degree that we regulate firearm ownership. There are no mandatory breathalyzer interlocks on all cars. People with a history of DUIs are still allowed to buy a car with no question asked. There are no limits on “assault cars” that have features that serve no purpose in everyday driving. (Or do you really think someone NEEDS a 700hp engine to go grocery shopping?)

        Get help. You seem to see threats in places where they simply don’t exist. Being intimidated or afraid because of a slung or holstered firearm is far more idiotic that being similarly intimidated by an over pampered frat boy riding around in his daddy’s Lambo.

      • Glenna Jones-Kachtik

        No one said this idiot was trying to kill someone or anyone. Liberals usually choose to use words instead of weapons. Do you really KNOW any liberals or do you just label anyone who doesn’t think like you as one?

      • King of the Dungeon

        I love your hoggling over “libruls”! Now do [ethnic minority] !!!

      • pwrserge

        obviously you missed that day in history class where they explained that the KKK was the militant branch of the Democratic Party.

      • katiecandu

        Hahaha! You mean back when the GOP was the liberal and progressive party, and Dems were the conservatives? I guess you selectively read, as well as hear and see. You’re a bigot, but as a smart bigot, you find ways to (almost) intelligently excuse your faulty values by using misinformation and taking things way out of context.

        Seriously guys, look at this fucking fool. I thought liberals were supposed to be the overly-dramatic cry-baby party. Lmfao. I had a conservative get SUPER offended w me for saying “viagra” on her page after she posted about the hobby lobby issue. I asked why corporate welfare is perfectly excusable and where all the screams were that they should pull themselves up by theor bootstraps (or should I say, China’s bootstraps?). She got so worked up over my saying “viagra” that she refused to continue the discussion. The GOP has really embraced it’s own victimisation (which is all in their heads anyway). They are always saying that Obama is taking their guns, which I’d like to see him fucking try. (I love and appreciate my rights and no one is taking my guns.) They complain that their religious rights are being infringed upon, but they give no regard to the religious freedoms of others. I’m discriminated against for NOT having a religious affiliation. And by whom? The GOP, of course. They talk out their asses and make mountains out of molehills, and then pretend that we’re just blind. I’m sure they’d love to believe that lie, but the fact of the matter is that they are victims of political indoctrination, misinformed, or blatantly ignorant (I.e. fucking stupid). The progressive and liberal platform is totally based around the fact that we learn as we grow and our opinions may change according to what is best for the future of society and humanity as a whole. Conservatives are just that.

      • pwrserge

        Umm… The DNC was leftist and communist under FDR what date, exactly did we change sides? FDR supported confiscation of private property by the state, handouts to worthless scumbags who could not be bothered to work, punishing companies that didn’t cave to unions and concentration camps for races he didn’t like [cough]japanese[cough] so exactly at what point did the GOP pick up the “liberal” platform they supposedly gave back to the DNC in the 60s?

        That’s what I love about liberals. They keep spouting leftist propaganda and demanding to be given for free things they didn’t earn.

      • KatieHD

        Who in the fuck is spouting leftist propaganda? You are making that statement as if we dont all have the ability to scroll up and down this page and recognize that YOU, my puppeted fellow, are the only tool of propaganda in this entire thread. By the way, what am I demanding that I haven’t earned, pray tell? And when and how has Obama gone about trying to confiscate your guns? It’s time for you conservative whacko’s and tea party conspiracy theorists and dramatic, ubersensitive, crazy ass lunatics to be held accountable for the ridiculous, illogical shit you say. So man up. Give us all examples of all the times you’ve witnessed guns being confiscated, or even the government TRYING to confiscate them.

      • pwrserge

        CA and NYC have been confiscating guns without warrants since Obama came into power. A failed no-grandfather clause assault weapon ban sponsored by him got put up for vote in the Senate. Need I go on?

  • VoiceofReason

    I’m tired of the yahoo gun nut, tea-party wackos INVADING Texas and making us the laughing stock of the country. Throw these pigs in prison permanently and throw Bachmann, Palin & Gohmert et all with them !! oh yeah then let them gang pound Wayne LaPierre and his buddies !!!

  • surfjac

    All those sovereign jack-asses were all probably “Love it or Leave it” types.
    So why are they still here? If they love no rules and all, why don’t hey set themselves up in Somalia? It would be paradise for them. They could kill, act up, not pay taxes, do just about what ever. Why don’t they go there then? What are they? Cowards? Afraid of little traveling? I’ll bet their forefathers weren’t.

    • strayaway

      I know its a liberal talking point to portray Somalia as a libertarian paradise but the reality is foreign powers and religious factions tore that country apart and keep prodding its festering wounds. The local warlord becomes government like in northern Iraq. Bill Clinton had more influence in Somalia for awhile then Ayn Rand ever did.

      • surfjac

        But that’s what these sovereigns want…freedom and they can have all they want in somalia.

      • strayaway

        I doubt that there is much freedom in Somalia. The local warlord or occupying army, both forms of governance, take care of that. People there aren’t covered by a Bill of Rights either as we are in theory.

        If sovereigns are bad for…wanting freedom, why do you want or think people should have instead of freedom?

        I wonder if Americans who tolerate open borders, hiring illegal aliens instead of citizens, and want the President to legislate extra-Constitutional dreamer and other such executive orders are by definition ‘sovereigns’ because believe “they can follow whatever laws they feel like.” all of which makes about as little sense as “going around “shooting off propane tanks.””

      • surfjac

        But they’re ready to fight for freedom here where what they want to do is illegal. They can fight for their freedom in Somalia too and if they survive, hey, good for them. We don’t need them here shooting propane tanks.

      • Glenna Jones-Kachtik

        Look, liberals most likely are not the ones hiring illegal aliens instead of citizens. Liberals are more likely to want everyone to be paid fair wages – we are usually on the front lines for fair trade. Illegal aliens or migrant workers have been part of our history for a long long time. We used to depend upon them to bring in crops etc. The reason that we as a people feel their presence much more now is because Congress keeps wanting to reward our American businesses for moving our jobs overseas & laying American workers off…Every time Congress has a bill that will cut off the rewards or that will reward businesses for keeping their work here the GOP votes against it. It has little or nothing to do with illegal aliens – although you would like to think it does – because those guys are doing the same jobs they have always done & they aren’t taking the jobs that Americans do.
        The President doesn’t do anything that any other President hasn’t done.

      • strayaway

        Glenna, take off your blinders. While Lincoln, Wilson, and Roosevelt may have committed gross violations of the Constitution, Obama has earned his place with them. After Congress looked at the option of legalizing ‘dreamers’ and chose not to, the President signed an executive order providing them with amnesty in contradiction to existing immigration law. One cannot “follow whatever laws they feel like” according to the above article without being classified as “sovereign”. I didn’t see any exemption for presidents “who somehow believe themselves to be “patriotic Americans,” while not even recognizing the federal government that the United States Constitution created.” You must be a “sovereign” too if you don’t see anything wrong with such attacks on our system of government.

        If you are worried about US workers, how about that President who is trying to fast track the TPP? 8-9 million illegal aliens are now employed in the US while 15.3M US citizens receive unemployment and other millions have stopped looking from work. Meat packing jobs used to be good paying union jobs but now are largely poorly paid non union immigrant jobs. Illegal aliens have replaced a lot of student jobs at McDonalds and on landscaping crews. Large numbers of construction jobs are also changing hands. Americans were willing to do all those jobs and did them but won’t do them for illegal alien wages. Stop insulting American workers. I would rather have a Country with high paying union jobs but you sovereigns are ok with illegal aliens, cheating employers, and the mayhem they cause to US workers, especially union workers, stagnant wages, unemployment, and students forced to take bigger loans for lack of work. You would probably be less of a danger to us if you just contented yourself with “shooting off propane tanks.”

  • Angry guy

    You are still more likely to get killed or assaulted by a cop than a “domestic terrorist” regardless of what the FBI says.

    • Cop Punching Bag

      …especially if you are brown or a woman.

  • Damien Cross

    Gun nut?
    Really?
    Terrorist Group?

    Did you know that DHS says that ” VETERANS ” are terrorists?

    Why not do a little research on this suspect before jumping the gun, You Socialist Pedophile